Honestly, I believe the Steelers let alot of their FA sign with other teams; they just did a good job of replacing them thru draft. What was remarkable about their last season was that they had pretty much the same defensive personnel ( i.e. lousy CB's). They brought in a new D/C and he perform miracles.
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Glenn is Goner
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noxiousdog
Rookie
gpshafer_1976 said:
This is not correct.
The signing bonus is amortized over the life of the contract.
For instance:
A player might get a 4 year deal with a 10M signing bonus that looks like this:
salary year 1: 1M
salary year 2: 2M
salary year 3: 3M
salary year 4: 6M
The cap numbers would be the following:
year 1: 1M + 2.5 (bonus) 3.5M
year 2: 2M + 2.5 (bonus) 4.5M
year 3: 3M + 2.5 (bonus) 5.5M
year 4: 6M + 2.5 (bonus) 8.5M
When a player is cut, all of his -bonus money- is counted against the cap, but his salary is not.
So you could cut our hypothetical after June 1 in year four and save 6M in cap.
There is more to it of course, but this is basically it.
chuckm
Veteran
I'm as big a Glenn fan as the next guy (bought my wife his battle red jersey for Christmas) but I don't have a big problem with this. The Texans would be foolish to get into the mode of paying older guys big money at a point in their career when production is slipping*...
* see Jeff Bagwell
* see Jeff Bagwell
Dilbert R.
Practice Squad
Watching the games - I can't see that Glenn's play is slipping. The enforcement of the 5 yard touch lead to alot of pass interfernce calls throughout the league. Aaron Glenn to me, still looks great. I think he is in the top section of corners in the league. That stated, I'd love to see him renegotiate his contract if necessary - and stay a Texan. I also want to see our front office give him proper respect - which he has earned. Trying to shop him now - smacks of disrespect. Now if Glenn is the one wanting the trade - I got him all wrong.
I think most people are forgetting that even if we do end up cutting him on June 1st we will have a whole list of players to choose from. I don't know if anyone great will be there (probably not), but if we cut Glenn (or trade him for a draft pick) we will have a lot of money left over from his contract, Sharper's, and Foreman's. We might have enough to add two or three solid players that could increase our depth on both sides of the ball. For instance, if the Bills can't find a taker for Travis Henry he likely could get cut. There could be some decent WRs available as well.
TexAntagonise
Practice Squad
When I first heard the news about Glenn, I thought CC had lost his mind. Then he fallowed that up with the pick of Travis Johnson (Thought Spears would have been better) I was sure of it. But after reading some good points put up on the board and a little time to reflect. Im starting to feel better about it. I love Glenn and hate to see him go. I think he is one of the best corners to ever play in Houston. But time marches on.
When Glenn first came to Houston, CC compared his work ethic to D. Green (CB) of Washington. He went on to say that he though Glenn would have just as long of a career as Green, who played into his 40s. Green moved inside as nickel back later in his career. I would love to see Glenn take on this roll but that doesnt look like it is going to happen. Anyway, to my main point.
All the way back in the expansion draft. The Texans took THREE starters form the J E T S jets, jets, jets! Glenn, Coleman, and One of the best young OT in the NFL. (where he is today, NO CLUE!) I remember thinking that the Jets were going to be AWFUL. They finished that season 9-7 tied for first in their division. Just a little info for the Doom and Gloomers out there.
When Glenn first came to Houston, CC compared his work ethic to D. Green (CB) of Washington. He went on to say that he though Glenn would have just as long of a career as Green, who played into his 40s. Green moved inside as nickel back later in his career. I would love to see Glenn take on this roll but that doesnt look like it is going to happen. Anyway, to my main point.
All the way back in the expansion draft. The Texans took THREE starters form the J E T S jets, jets, jets! Glenn, Coleman, and One of the best young OT in the NFL. (where he is today, NO CLUE!) I remember thinking that the Jets were going to be AWFUL. They finished that season 9-7 tied for first in their division. Just a little info for the Doom and Gloomers out there.
All of these sound wonderful, but really don't add up. How many starting offensive linemen were never drafted? I guess it could happen, but I'm leaning towards trusting 32 GMs and hundreds of scouts that passed on him. As for the draft pick, I wouldn't expect anything better than a sixth or seventh round pick. After all, teams know we will cut him on June 1st.
WildBlackBear32
Rookie
barzilla said:
Don't know the exact numbers in the entire NFL, but 40% of the Pats starting line is undrafted.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
DC_ROCK said:
Browner was picked up by the Broncos, sorry that particular paln won't work.
Although I'd love to pickup extra picks for next year's draft.
CaptainPatriot
Waterboy
tacoman_j said:
Also GOOD Tackler!!!
michaelm
vox nihili
I think there may end up being more mental mistakes, and we may give up more big plays throughout the season, but I'm OK with the changes as well.
This D will not be a sit back and let the play come to them kind of D. With the upgraded speed, this D will be coming from all angles. I get the feeling that they are really going to be cut loose this year. Peek looks like a lock to start, but if not he should get a whole lot more playing time. Buchanan and Greenwood add to the overall team speed as well. Man, it may look ugly from time to time... especially early in the season, but it is going to be F. U. N. to watch! I, for one, am completely stoked!
This D will not be a sit back and let the play come to them kind of D. With the upgraded speed, this D will be coming from all angles. I get the feeling that they are really going to be cut loose this year. Peek looks like a lock to start, but if not he should get a whole lot more playing time. Buchanan and Greenwood add to the overall team speed as well. Man, it may look ugly from time to time... especially early in the season, but it is going to be F. U. N. to watch! I, for one, am completely stoked!
TexansJunkE
Waterboy
AG is a fine corner, but he is getting older. There is nothing personel about winning , or business. (NE proves that every year by releasing players) I know there are some guys saying that the P-buc trade was not a good move, I like the pick-up....... is there such a thing with TOO many good CB's? As far as our D goes, it's looking good. We are getting younger, faster, and that will allow us to do more things. At first I was upset about the pass on DJ, but after I got out of my "Homer " mode, the TJ pick is starting to make sense. Many posts during the off season state we need to work on our D and O lines, we did that and certain fans are calling for heads to roll. If I remember right..........Sounds like last year?(About not moving up for ST) I didn't hear too much when D-rob almost and should have won the DROY. I have no doubt that DJ will be a good player, but we need to draft the needs of our team. I believe we did that. Good job CC.
ComstockLode
Waterboy
Vinny said:
Vinny do me a favor and step back away from the picture. Pretend you are a fan/scout of another team.
Now what kind of defense do you see next year with the following:
Robaire, Payne, Walker
Babin, Wong, Greenwood, Peek
Dunta,(whoever starts/rotates), Coleman, Buchanon
Do you see us stopping the run effectively? Do you see us being a top 15 defense? Do you see us as a bottom 10 defense?
What strengths do we really have? Do we even have a top 25 player in the league on defense?
D-ReK
RAWWWRR!
ComstockLode said:
Quit worrying on how everything looks on paper...On paper, the Chargers were supposed to go 4-12 last season...On paper, the Redskins should've been in the playoffs...On paper, the Cowboys should've finished better than 6-10...Wait until you see how they actually play together in this system before you pass judgement on them...
texansfan4life
Practice Squad
glen will not play for texans nxt yr salary cap dump
ComstockLode
Waterboy
wags said:
Uhhhh.... maybe in a couple of years, but I could easily name 25 defensive players I would rather have than Dunta.
ComstockLode
Waterboy
D-ReK said:
Chargers lucked out that a basketball player and Brees performed. Along with Foley
The cowboys had no QB, and no runningback for the majority of the year.
If you are basing our chances on luck, then our chances arent good on defense.
ComstockLode
Waterboy
ojthecat said:Ok I call BS on that one. Name them.
No problem... This is actually fairly easy.
Ray Lewis
Derrick Brooks
Lavar Arrington
Takeo Spikes
Dwight Freeney
Simeon Rice
Julius Peppers
Terrel Suggs
Jevon Kearse
Joey Porter
La'roi Glover
Roy Williams
Ed Reed
Zach Thomas
K. Gbaja-Biamila
Jason Taylor
John Abraham
James Farrior
Tedy Bruschi
Troy Palamalu
Chris McAllister
Champ Bailey
Marcus Stroud
Richard Seymour
Patrick Kerney
Casey Hampton
Shaun Rogers
Keith Brooking
Jeremiah Trotter
Brian Dawkins
Dan Morgan
That is more than 25. I would rather have all 25 of these players over Dunta for one year. Obviously not for the future, because Dunta will be in this class in a couple of years, but for this year I would take all of the above.
No kidding there. Some would say if it ain't broke, fix it til it is.LOLVinny said:
We'll live without AG and might possibly thrive. I'd like to keep him 1 more year, but business is business and lifespan in the NFL is short. 33 is getting old. He's been a fine, upstanding player for us and I wish him the best, regardless of what happens.
Taken a drug test lately?? I've read your list, and it has some great players on it. DROB should ALREADY be on that list. He was roughed up early in the year, but really put it the other guys after that. I WOULD, however, take ANY of those on your list over any of our DL from last year.ComstockLode said:
Panther5407
Rookie
Ok, would anyone actually take Chris McAllister over Dunta?
ComstockLode
Waterboy
Vinny said:
Zach Thomas: Age 31: Stats: 145 Tackles.... This may be a stretch in some regards, but I love a run stuffing Linebacker.
KGB: Pro Bowler.... had 14 sacks last season and gets better every year.
James Farrior: Pro Bowler 95 tackles 3 sacks 3FF 4INT 12 Pass Defl.
texan279
Hall of Fame
Texans | Glenn Permitted to Seek Trade; Release Could Happen - from www.KFFL.com
Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:48:17 -0700
ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Houston Texans have granted CB Aaron Glenn permission to seek a trade with a limited number of other teams. If a trade is not able to be worked out, Glenn is likely to be released as early as Tuesday, April 26.
Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:48:17 -0700
ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Houston Texans have granted CB Aaron Glenn permission to seek a trade with a limited number of other teams. If a trade is not able to be worked out, Glenn is likely to be released as early as Tuesday, April 26.
ComstockLode
Waterboy
Panther5407 said:
I am only talking about next year, not the future. And yes, I would. Try not to see through the red and blue glasses only, since everyone accuses me of seeing through orange ones.
comstockelode, what does a top 25 player on defense have to do with anything?
I think we have a better defense this year than last year. And that is what matters. Were making progress, oh yeah, of the 25 players u mentioned, none of them were available in FA with the exception of Trotter and some were on the trading block. Since u think having a top 25 defender is so important, what do u want Casserly to do? Steal those guys away from other teams?
Greenwood replacing Sharper, Buchanon replacing Glenn, and eventually Travis Johnson replacing G.Walker were great moves on defense. We turn our oldest players on defense into virtually our youngest players on defense without losing quality in my opinion.
I think we have a better defense this year than last year. And that is what matters. Were making progress, oh yeah, of the 25 players u mentioned, none of them were available in FA with the exception of Trotter and some were on the trading block. Since u think having a top 25 defender is so important, what do u want Casserly to do? Steal those guys away from other teams?
Greenwood replacing Sharper, Buchanon replacing Glenn, and eventually Travis Johnson replacing G.Walker were great moves on defense. We turn our oldest players on defense into virtually our youngest players on defense without losing quality in my opinion.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
If DRob doesn't fit into the "Top 25 Defenders" then I don't see how either Glenn, Sharper, Foreman, or Brown would fit either. That would mean we didn't have a Top 25 Defender last year or this year. I'm not understanding your argument.
Panther5407
Rookie
ComstockLode said:
I love the Ravens (i was actually a raven in katy little leauge), but never liked Chris. Look at what Dunta did with a around average team around him in his rookie year compared to Chris with players like Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Suggs, and so on. Chris has not shown that he could be the next all everything shut down corner, Dunta has. When has Chris elevated his level when getting pounded and stopped a 250+ pound FB and plant him in the ground? Talking about right now, Dunta would be my choice of the two, no doubt about it. Talking about the future, Dunta once again would be an easy choice. Its no contest.
I like the way our D is shaping up on paper. Foreman was, at best, a good backup, and Sharper was nowhere near as disruptive as he should(COULD?) have been. I wish them well, but good riddance. AG is another story, but I wonder(as I have posted before) how much of this is because his feelings are hurt about PB? If that IS the case, maybe he isn't the stand up guy we think he is, and was a "class" act because of all the adulation poured on him from adoring fans. I'm just throwing this out there for speculation. I'm probably full of it, but it IS food for thought.
ComstockLode
Waterboy
texasguy346 said:
That is my point. Our defense will still suck. We lose our best run stuffer, and we replace aaron glenn with buchanon who has potential, but is no sure thing.
Houston:
23rd Overall Defense
22nd Overall Passing Defense
13th Rushing Defense (With Sharper gone this gets worse, coupled with the fact that 3 of our 4 LBs are former DEs....and we havent seen Peek in rushing defense)
17th in Turnovers (Lose Aaron Glenn's 5 INTs)
[13th Rushing Defense (With Sharper gone this gets worse, coupled with the fact that 3 of our 4 LBs are former DEs....and we havent seen Peek in rushing defense)
17th in Turnovers (Lose Aaron Glenn's 5 INTs)[/QUOTE]
How many tackles did Sharper have BTLOS? Most of his tackles were 5 yrds down the field. We're going in the right direction!!!
17th in Turnovers (Lose Aaron Glenn's 5 INTs)[/QUOTE]
How many tackles did Sharper have BTLOS? Most of his tackles were 5 yrds down the field. We're going in the right direction!!!
AndreJ
Rookie
ComstockLode said:
Unless you have a magic 8ball how do you know that our Run D will get worse, just because we lost Foreman and Sharper. Our starting four LBs are still not "set" and we don't know exactly who will be playing where, although we have a pretty good idea. You have no idea how Greenwood will perform, you dont know if Babin will step his game up and we dont know how Peek will work out. Wong is about the only LB who we have an idea of how much production he will bring and he'll most likely be in a new position than last year.
As for Aaron Glenn (assuming he is given the boot), how do we know Buchannon wont come in and match his 5 ints or even get more. The guy has had a change of scenery and has alot to prove.
I just don't see how you can say our D will end up next year without even seeing them play in the pre-season atleast. You can call me a homer or whatever you want, but i just try and look at the positives and have hope for the future. I find it less stressing than worrying about why we let Sharper and Foreman and maybe Glenn go. Especially when I haven't seen how there replacements will perform.....Just my 2 cents.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
ComstockLode said:
Our defense played very well last season with guys like Coleman out. Why? Because DRob, Peek, and Babin were really coming on strong. This upcoming season we likely won't be starting any rookies on defense, and we'll have young guys like TJ coming in to keep the other DLinemen fresher. I'm not saying we'll be excellent on defense next season, but also I'm not prepared to say we're going to stink either. On paper, Oakland looked to have a dominant defense last season. However, things worked out quite to the contrary. On paper, San Diego looked to have a bad defense last season. They were switching to the 3-4, and no one had really heard of guys like Jammal Williams. The point being that you can't tell how a unit is going to perform just based on the fact they don't have any names you recognize. You've got to wait till these guys at least get a chance to play together before you can make an accurate evaluation.
outofhnd
Rookie
This is not the old NFL we all grew up with this is the New NFL. Just because we got rid of our pricey players doesn't condemn us to failure. New England cut Ty Law and Bruschi is out for the year yet I do not hear people talking about how the patriots D is gonna be weak next year.
I like the moves myself it tells me we are a time comitted to building thru the draft not building on the parts we got in the expansion draft. Remember teams made the choice to send these players to us and not keep em on their roster in 02.
Our D will be somewhat better as long as our line can take up blockers. Thats all we need to change QB hurries into QB sacks. Glenn was a good corner great guy but this is a business. He knows that. Considering Capers and casserly have gotten us this far is big statement considering the fact the panthers in year went into a big decline.
I like the moves myself it tells me we are a time comitted to building thru the draft not building on the parts we got in the expansion draft. Remember teams made the choice to send these players to us and not keep em on their roster in 02.
Our D will be somewhat better as long as our line can take up blockers. Thats all we need to change QB hurries into QB sacks. Glenn was a good corner great guy but this is a business. He knows that. Considering Capers and casserly have gotten us this far is big statement considering the fact the panthers in year went into a big decline.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
Just for further evidence that having a Top 25 player doesn't = A good defense just look at some of the teams of the players on your list. KGB and the Packers had one of the worst defenses in the NFL. Yet the Washington Redskins managed to have one of the best defenses despite having Lavaar Arrington (there Top 25 Defensive player) out for much of the year with a leg injury. The defense is a unit, and it's predicated upon all 11 players playing well together as well as having a good scheme/D-Coordinator. There's more to a team than the marquee names you see on paper. This is especially true on the defensive side of the ball.
AndreJ
Rookie
texasguy346 said:
I would like to think that the New England Patriots are a good example of this. With the exception of Ty Law who was realeased. There is not really one outstanding player on their defense, but a number of good players who work and play as a team together. I would say without a doubt they have one of the best Ds in the league along with Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Philly.
i also find it interesting that when the Patriots come out of the tunnel for a football game they are announced as a team and not individually.
IMHO, our entire team will be better in '05. We've made some needed moves to shake things up and send a message. Our veterans we've aquired through the expansion draft and FA have pretty much been able to rest easy, knowing there was no serious competition. Not true any more.We have had some excellent drafts since '02 and management and coaching staff seem to be on the same page. I don't see them making any panicky moves. Everything seems methodical and well thought out. Remember...they know things behind the scenes we aren't privy to. These boards are fun and all, but 99.9% of us are talking out our collective wazoo's. We're a brand new team. We need time to evaluate talent, add depth and make moves without crippling further developement under the ALMIGHTY SALARY CAP. "If ya don't perform, ya don't get paid" is a great motto IMO.outofhnd said:
TexanExile
A New Hope
Just so I'm clear on this, then...it's OK to make drastic changes to a "broken" defense, but not to a "broken" O-line? When both can be statistically described as pretty bad in '04?
Wolf
100% Texan
I am hoping that Glenn stays.. why? you ask.. we need a legit 3rd corner..
we gave up a whopping 43.4% on 3rd down conversions.. Yes, TE's killed us.. but also no pass rush.. I would rather see Buchanon and Glenn match up on the two Wr's and Drob either blitz or match up on the slot WR.... Hopefully Glenn will stay on the team (either on his wishes or the teams)
http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2004/regular?sort_col_1=4&_1:col_1=9
we gave up a whopping 43.4% on 3rd down conversions.. Yes, TE's killed us.. but also no pass rush.. I would rather see Buchanon and Glenn match up on the two Wr's and Drob either blitz or match up on the slot WR.... Hopefully Glenn will stay on the team (either on his wishes or the teams)
http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2004/regular?sort_col_1=4&_1:col_1=9
The "broken" offense had a line that was brand new and in a new scheme. The D has much the same problem. It is easier to plug and play on D than on O. Especially the OL. These guys need time to learn each other and the scheme. Apples and Oranges.TexanExile said:
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