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tacoman_j

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According to the quote by the coach; one can deduce that Glenn is gone; no need for him.

(on safety Ceandris Brown) “When you get to this point in the draft, you are looking for guys with good height, weight, and speed that have had good productivity. When you take a defensive back at this point, you want a guy who can contribute on special teams. While they are learning the system they need to contribute on special teams. We feel Ceandris has those capabilities. We like for our guys to be able to play either way. If you look at Glenn Earl, Jammal Lord, and the young guys we have in the secondary, they have the size and speed that allows them to play either side. As you look at our secondary, we have a young secondary with exception of Marcus Coleman who is coming back at 31 years of age. We have some players that we think are ascending and still learning the system. Of course two starters in our secondary were rookies last season. We have also added Phillip Buchanon, who is young. Ceandris is going to fit in well with that group. It is exciting to have these young ascending players.”

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this blows. if they wanted to cut money or something, they shouldnt have resigned seth payne for an ungodly amout and overpaid for over-the-hill Gary Walker. We needed to keep AG. Next year, Drob wont be as good and p buch will still be unrefined, but im not the GM. This is some attempt to make our team younger by removing the cornerstones. This team is gonna be havin a top 10 pick next year, i dont want it, but its gonna happen. :thumbdown
 
why would D-rob be worse next year with a increaced pass rush and you forget this will be buchanes 4th year starting
 
I agree, we need to keep Glenn for one more season to develope and guide the young guys, after that?????? Personally, I would keep him around as the nickle/dime DB for a couple of more years and then make him the DB coach after Hoak becomes the DC. He would need to re-do his contract to make this work though. Not sure how likely that is.
 
I'd just keep him around until he retired which will be sooner rather than last it seems. He is a great character guy and will help our younger players learn the position and the defense.
 
edo783 said:
I agree, we need to keep Glenn for one more season to develope and guide the young guys, after that?????? Personally, I would keep him around as the nickle/dime DB for a couple of more years and then make him the DB coach after Hoak becomes the DC. He would need to re-do his contract to make this work though. Not sure how likely that is.
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He has lost a step and won't become PB back up. Thats what the nickel back is, a back up. The Texans have DRob, PB and Faggins to be their nickel back.
 
TEXANS84 said:
I guess Capers doesn't want his job after this season.
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Pretty much...It seems obvious to me that if we don't make a playoff run this year, at the bare minimum, Capers is gone...Fangio and Palmer are possibilities, too...

I've tried to find a good reason to cut/trade Glenn, and I can't come up with one...He's going to be 33, wow, great reason to cut the leader of your D...
 
D-ReK said:
Pretty much...It seems obvious to me that if we don't make a playoff run this year, at the bare minimum, Capers is gone...Fangio and Palmer are possibilities, too...

I've tried to find a good reason to cut/trade Glenn, and I can't come up with one...He's going to be 33, wow, great reason to cut the leader of your D...
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No the leader of the D was cut earlier. Now we cut our secondary leader for a premadonna.
 
ComstockLode said:
No the leader of the D was cut earlier. Now we cut our secondary leader for a premadonna.
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Sharper begged for someone to show him the way...Sounds like a leader to me :rolleyes:...
 
Am I the only one who doesn't think that Glenn "lost a step"? If I remember correctly, I thought he struggled early in the season (injury perhaps? or maybe Robinson and Coleman struggling?), but by the end of the year I thought he was back to playing really well.
 
Rovator said:
Am I the only one who doesn't think that Glenn "lost a step"? If I remember correctly, I thought he struggled early in the season (injury perhaps? or maybe Robinson and Coleman struggling?), but by the end of the year I thought he was back to playing really well.
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It's hard to tell if he lost a step or just had trouble adjusting to the new coverage rules at the beginning of the season...
 
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I like Glenn, but we also know that there could be some guys available after June 1st. This team is putting themselves in a situation to help themselves at that point and sign their draft picks easily. It didn't make sense to sign Faggins to a long-term deal to have him be the fourth corner. Maybe I'm naive, but it doesn't seem that wise to sign a player like Faggins to that kind of contract to serve a critical role in two games. Besides, if we were really that concerned with the Colts, why didn't we draft Barron to block Freeney?
 
TEXANS84 said:
I guess Capers doesn't want his job after this season.
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When did Capers become the personnel man? That's CC and he seems to be in McNair's good graces. It does suck about AG. I really think we should keep him, but I'm not so sure it's as much about us wanting him gone as it is AG doesn't want to be a back up at this point in his career. And CC is pretty much adamant about taking BPA in the draft(except 1st round usually)and not drafting the "popular pick". Gonna be a heck of a fun time seeing how it unfolds this year.
 
barzilla said:
Besides, if we were really that concerned with the Colts, why didn't we draft Barron to block Freeney?
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Barron wasn't as highly rated by a lot of teams as it sounded like. All 32 teams put out a lot of smoke in the draft. I would have been apoplectic if we drafted Barron.
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
We only drafted one OLB and we got em in the 7th round. He wont even make the 53 man roster. Think first.
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Well then thats even worse than drafting a bunch of tweeners....

I think our pass rush will be even worse this year if thats possible. I know its too early to be too negative, but I see no upside on the defensive side of the ball next year. Alot of yards on the ground and through the air. I think if we go 7-9 it will be a small miracle this year.
 
ComstockLode said:
Well then thats even worse than drafting a bunch of tweeners....

I think our pass rush will be even worse this year if thats possible. I know its too early to be too negative, but I see no upside on the defensive side of the ball next year. Alot of yards on the ground and through the air. I think if we go 7-9 it will be a small miracle this year.
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Just b/c we did not get DJ. DJ is the savior that was supposed to lead us to promised land. Man, I can't wait till KC has the #1 defense in league. DJ gets 3000 tackles with 15 ints. DJ will be rookie of the millenium, and make the HOF based on first year performance. Man, I just can't wait. Also, texans will suffer first winless season in franchise history. All because of DJ!! :heh:
 
These moves may not work out for the best, but at least you can say this organization does not flinch about making an unpopular choice.
 
tacoman_j said:
Just b/c we did not get DJ. DJ is the savior that was supposed to lead us to promised land. Man, I can't wait till KC has the #1 defense in league. DJ gets 3000 tackles with 15 ints. DJ will be rookie of the millenium, and make the HOF based on first year performance. Man, I just can't wait. Also, texans will suffer first winless season in franchise history. All because of DJ!! :heh:
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Has nothing to do with DJ and everything having to do with our two MLBs gone, along with our veteran leadership out of the secondary. Drafting DJ would not have made it better this year.

Pick out someone besides Dunta on our defense that is even above average :whistle:
 
ComstockLode said:
Has nothing to do with DJ and everything having to do with our two MLBs gone, along with our veteran leadership out of the secondary. Drafting DJ would not have made it better this year.

Pick out someone besides Dunta on our defense that is even above average :whistle:
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Last i checked, glenn was still a Texan. Just because he was given permission to seek a trade doesn't mean he's gone.
 
AndreJ said:
Last i checked, glenn was still a Texan. Just because he was given permission to seek a trade doesn't mean he's gone.
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Everyone said the same thing about Sharper and Foreman, too...
 
TEXANS84 said:
I guess Capers doesn't want his job after this season.
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And I am fine with that. Seattle is supposedly mad at Holmy.....
I would LOVE to have Holmgren here!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbup
(now let the repercussions begin!)
 
The "given permission to seek a trade" is just a matter of polite language. It really just means "We're cutting this guy June 1st" and nobody is going to trade for him when they know they can sign him to a new, probably cheaper deal if they just wait.
 
D-ReK said:
Everyone said the same thing about Sharper and Foreman, too...
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Yes i understand that there is obviously a trend but just because he was given permission to seek a trade doesn't mean that you should just take him off the roster the moment you hear of it.
 
ComstockLode said:
Are you serious????
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Yes i am and as far as you go im just disregarding everything you post for the next month, you seem like an intelligent person, but since we passed on DJ you make it seem like the world has come to an end. (Literally) :listening
 
AndreJ said:
Yes i am and as far as you go im just disregarding everything you post for the next month, you seem like an intelligent person, but since we passed on DJ you make it seem like the world has come to an end. (Literally) :listening
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The world is coming to an end, because we lose Sharper, Foreman, and Glenn.... and replace them with question marks.

Glenn is gone buddy. Let it go. We didnt ask him to look for a trade to see if we can get something just for sh*ts and giggles.
 
AndreJ said:
Yes i am and as far as you go im just disregarding everything you post for the next month, you seem like an intelligent person, but since we passed on DJ you make it seem like the world has come to an end. (Literally) :listening
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Cut the personal attacks. ComstockLode didn't insult your IQ because you are being a Glenn homer (what you are accusing him of being with DJ).
Kids. :rolleyes:
 
FILO_girl said:
And I am fine with that. Seattle is supposedly mad at Holmy.....
I would LOVE to have Holmgren here!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbup
(now let the repercussions begin!)
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UGGHH! Holmgren is lowsy! You only think you want him here. Do you realize how bad you have to be to anger those hippies in Seattle?!
 
I like having glenn but for how much he is making he won't be worth it. P Buchanon is our future. Glenn has one or two years left in him at best. I don't like to shove him out the door but look at the Astros with Bagwell and Biggio. Those guys are killing them with their contracts and lack of playing up to them. I believe all these guys are going because everyone knows there will be plenty of talented players in the free agency market after teams start making their cuts. We will have the money to go out and get these guys.
 
dalemurphy said:
UGGHH! Holmgren is lowsy! You only think you want him here. Do you realize how bad you have to be to anger those hippies in Seattle?!
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I agree with the Birkenstock population reference but I like Holmy....have for years. :thumbup
I think the clove cigarettes have messed with him in Seattle, he was awesome in Green Bay. Think he would be fine here.
 
I think a combo of Casserly and Holmgren would be good, but I wouldn't like it if Holmgren took over the GM duties as well.
 
First of all:

BIG props to D-Rek for the Palmer for head coach statement. That was soooooooooooooooooooo funny, man. Nicely done, bro. I haven't laughed al day until I read that one.

Secondly, big props on the "How bad does it have to be to get those hippies angry with you" comment about Holmy. Was funny, as well. He's way overrated, along with Shanahannahan or howvere you spell it. Both those guys got lucky with having two hall of fame Qb's who basically handled the show on their own.

I am sad about Sharper and Glenn (seriously) because they did mean so much for our team, but it's just a reality. You get too sentimental in this cap-era of the NFL and you immediately send yourself to the bottom of your division every year. Gotta rotate them out after 2-3 years. Keep your QB, or maybe even keep your QB and your RB...but everybody else is gone after their rookie salaries run out and they hit "veteran" salary. Or, you suffer the consequence. Look at Indy: They're actually talking a trade (off and on) with Edgerrin James. I know he's been injured, but last time I checked the guy is still hammering it down our throats twice a year, as well as putting on a pretty good show against other teams, too. And they can't afford to keep Manning and James, while at the same time keeping Freeney and Harrison, etc. It'll be the same for Indy as it is for the Titans right now. At some point, you cut them loose and re-load with rookies and their cap-friendly salary ranges.

It's why we drafted Morency. Don;t really need him now, but just wait 'till our buddy Domanick and his agent go knocking on uncle Charley's door for a steep raise in the next few years. We gotta keep Carr. We gotta keep AJ. Dunta is defintely earning his salary, too. Tick, tick, tick. You can't keep all of them for what they want and for what the league allows with the cap.

Simple economics.
 
so if it is simple economics, how the heck does Washington do it every year? :hmmm:

but your right gp, most teams in the NFL keep their 2-3 stars, the rest are simply cap economic cuts, like them or not.

even Emmitt Smith had to play a couple of years on another team before coming back to retire a Cowboy. Montana, Young, Rice, sooner or later they simply have to move on to get the paycheck they think they deserve.
 
Im hoping that we will be successful enough, and treat our players well enough, that we can be a team like the Steelers.

You dont see alot of the core Steelers leave the team in FA.. they keep their players for either their whole career, or the vast majority of it.
 
Does anybody if Glenn asked, and I mean really asked the FO to seek a trade (Like calling Charley and sayign that he wants out)? Yes, I know that if he did it would probably have been a direct result of the Buchanon trade; but maybe this a mutuial feeling; and if it is why is Glenn not aking any flack only the FO?

I don't remember to many Pats fans complaining when Lawyer Milloy was let go, or when Ty Law was, or any of their other players?

In the new era of the NFL, a front office that nows how to work the cap and is able to make the right (both talent and dollr) decsisions is the one who guides a team to a Super Bowl. Not an aging CB.
 
From this mornings (Monday) Chronicle:

Glenn is in a more precarious position. With the arrival of cornerback Phillip Buchanon in last week's trade with the Raiders, Glenn has been given permission to negotiate with other teams. It seems unlikely he'll return as a backup to Buchanon.

Foreman and Sharper left as part of a linebacker shuffling in which free agent Morlon Greenwood was signed and Antwan Peek inserted as an outside linebacker.

The Texans finished last season 23rd in total defense and 16th in points allowed. They gave up just three touchdowns in their last four games and went 13 quarters without surrendering one. As Jason Babin and Dunta Robinson got better, as Seth Payne became more healthy, the Texans became more than respectable.

"That's the kind of defense I've wanted us to play since I got here," Capers said.

Now they're even better. They've got a pair of shutdown corners in Buchanon and Robinson. They've got two potential impact pass rushers on the outside in Babin and Peek. And if Johnson creates havoc, the Texans may be on their way to making Capers happy.

These moves guarantee them nothing. Ask them about the playoffs, and they remind you they've gotten better every year and that they play in one of the NFL's toughest divisions.

"I think we're right in the middle," Casserly said. "We're not New England, but we're not at the bottom, either. We were 7-9 last season and lost to Minnesota in overtime and Green Bay at the end of the fourth quarter.

"I think we can compete every week."
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thegr8fan said:
so if it is simple economics, how the heck does Washington do it every year? :hmmm:

but your right gp, most teams in the NFL keep their 2-3 stars, the rest are simply cap economic cuts, like them or not.

even Emmitt Smith had to play a couple of years on another team before coming back to retire a Cowboy. Montana, Young, Rice, sooner or later they simply have to move on to get the paycheck they think they deserve.
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Therein is the reason I am such a huge college football fan. Once a longhorn always a longhorn, even when they go on to do bigger and better things.
 
"so if it is simple economics, how the heck does Washington do it every year?" -- gr8fan

They DON'T. If I'm correct (and Vinny will let me know if I'm not, since he knows a heck of a lot more than I do about this stuff) Snyder pays players a large signing bonus that doesn't count against the cap, allowing the team to put off or even dispose of the cap implications that would normally result from paying that bonus out to the player in yearly sums via a yearly salary that figures into the cap restrictions. In short, pay the guy his salary (the bulk of it) as a "signing bonus" and then the remainder of his REAL salary is smaller and thus counts less against the actual cap. I think that's right, but I'm not sure.

It's why Lavar Arrington got so mad recently. He wanted a larger signing bonus after re-structuring his deal, and Snyder is fudging a little (many speculate). Arrington feels disrespected by this, and he's upset. Snyder, as well as the other owners, have to pay large signing bonuses out of their own pockets to get those "high quality" players since the cap can't allow for every player to get high dollars. If the cap didn't exist, we'd have a situation like they have in MLB: The Yankees can buy out all the star players and leave other teams in the cellar with the scraps. Snyder and Jones would do it, too...in a heartbeat. The cap can only be beaten by the signing bonus, but the signing bonus can hurt guys like Snyder if they lose too often. A losing team draws fewer revenues, and fewer revenues mean Snyder has to also tote the note for any stadium improvements, etc. Snyder is rich, but the money will eventually run out at some point if he keeps spending his own coin.

In my opinion, and we can gripe about losing Sharper and Glenn all we want, but the front office has calculators and they have guys who use those calculators really well. They know it, and we know it, too: At some point, you just cannot afford to keep ticket prices down, concession prices down, parking prices down, etc., if you bleed out money (whether it's revenues or the owner's personal finances) to star players because of sentimental reasons.

I don't see anybody crying over us cutting Matt Stevens. Nobody said, "Matt was one of the founding fathers of Texans football...we can't let him go!"

A lot of our concern about Sharper and Glenn is just as "greedy" as the motives behind the players, the agents, and the front office: We don't want to lose their skill. Period. We're scared about the ramifications on the field. Secondarily, we're sad that two quality PEOPLE are leaving, but mostly we want to win and we don't know if PB and TJ will be the improvement that the Texans are telling us they will be.

For now, we have to trust. Ain't no other team I want to be a fan of, that's for sure! I've seen more gambles pay off than fail, and I think PB has as good a shot as any to maintain or propel the secondary in the next few seasons.
 
http://www.nflfans.com/draft/article.php?story=20050423062849657

AP reports with a pressing need at corner, CB Aaron Glenn could be re-acquired from the Houston Texans by the New York Jets for a pretty modest price. Sure, he's going to be 33 in mid-July, just before training camp begins. And, yes, he still has some of the most dubious hands of any corner in the NFL, and drops as many interceptions as he makes. But Glenn, who almost certainly would have to restructure his contract for the Jets, still had five pickoffs in 2004. He's had four or more interceptions in five of the past seven campaigns. Look at the other veteran corners still in the unemployment line, and suddenly, for the Jets, Glenn might not look like such a bad option.
 
The sad and true fact is that if Glenn was not out this year then he would have been out next year. We cannot keep around aging players and pay them foolishly high salaries, our cap situation would start to resemble that of the Tennesse Titans. I would think that if we cannot move Glenn we are in a good enough place with cuts to be made on and after June1 that we can keep him on the team to mentor PB and D-Rob for one more year. Now with that said if NYJ offers anything 4th round or above Glenn is gone. Who knows we are creating a younger more explosive(hopefully) team. This is just the sad part of the salary cap you just have to get rid of aging players.
 
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