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Game day: Week 17- Texans vs Ravens

Wow terrible route concepts. Just horrific!
I don't know. If he threw the ball when his back foot hit the ground... either of those two on top would have been fine. The first guy, to Cj's right... the ball might have been batted down, he might have got a PI called. The other guy coming from the left, hit him in stride could have been a TD.

Edit: Looking at it again, I think the guy (top right) is a TE who tried to fake inside, then cut outside... but he couldn't run through that safety. If Cj was looking at him I can see why he didn't throw the ball when he finished his drop.
 
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What are you saying exactly. Cj and his teammates shouldn’t have cried after Tank Dell devastating injury?


If you’re referring to pouting, Brady is the poster boy
Yes. Cj shouldn't have been crying when Tank was devastatingly injured. But, if he's going to cry make the game worth it. Much better for Tank to get injured on the play that boosted the Texans over the king.

As far as Brady pouting... you don't know what pouting is. Brady is mad at someone or something. S2roud is feeling sorry for himself.
 
This year we're having some of the same discussions about Stroud that we were having about Carr
I don't think I was this sour on Carr until his third season... halfway through I think. But at that time I was done with Carr.

Now, I'm still hoping Cj can flip that switch.
 
Yes. Cj shouldn't have been crying when Tank was devastatingly injured. But, if he's going to cry make the game worth it. Much better for Tank to get injured on the play that boosted the Texans over the king.

As far as Brady pouting... you don't know what pouting is. Brady is mad at someone or something. S2roud is feeling sorry for himself.
I think they're really close friends. Tank, despite his diminutive size, was always one of the biggest and most vocal supporters of CJ.
 
I know this, if C.J. continues to perform at this level, a long term big money deal should never happen.
That's beyond obvious.
The new DieHard Christmas movie!
Stupid movie. Talking about Carry On. I'd willingly sacrifice anything and everything I love to save thousands of people. Maybe I'm built different. I've also had a lot of loss, so what's the difference?
 
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That's beyond obvious.

Stupid movie. Talking about Carry On. I'd willingly sacrifice anything and everything I love to save thousands of people. Maybe I'm built different. I've also had a lot of loss, so what's the difference?
To be fair… he wasn’t exactly a willing hero until the end. Even then… they were gonna kill his girlfriend.

It was a great movie, IMO, except for putting the bomb in that freezer. STFU with the stupidity, Hollywood!

Lol.
 
Ehh, CJ gets away with it enough..even this year…The KC game he had a completion for a 1st while in the grasps of the defender and being taken to the ground. TD pass to Schultz in the same game he bought enough time by scrambling so that Schultz could eventually clear. Even on the tank Dell TD injury play, CJ couldn’t even complete his play action boot and set up comfortably to survey the field before having to side step and release it b/c the pressure got up on him so quickly. a split second too late on that release, that TD play is probably a sack. What it is is the personnel & shitty playcalling are just asking him to do it a little too much & too often; like 2-3 times every drive basically b/c they’re CONSTANTLY in 3rd and longs.

Make something happen so that we can extend this drive/stay in this game. Sure You have to make a few of those hero throws/plays every game but you can’t live there down in down out like we do.

And as good as he is, the guy he just played is a good example of why that play isn’t sustainable b/c That is why LJ8 hasn’t had the same success in the playoffs that he’s had in the regular season. Defenses could just focus on him & his 1 other weapon (Andrews).

Same thing with CJ right now.
Very astute observation. I have nothing to counter.
 
Ehh, CJ gets away with it enough..even this year…The KC game he had a completion for a 1st while in the grasps of the defender and being taken to the ground. TD pass to Schultz in the same game he bought enough time by scrambling so that Schultz could eventually clear. Even on the tank Dell TD injury play, CJ couldn’t even complete his play action boot and set up comfortably to survey the field before having to side step and release it b/c the pressure got up on him so quickly. a split second too late on that release, that TD play is probably a sack. What it is is the personnel & shitty playcalling are just asking him to do it a little too much & too often; like 2-3 times every drive basically b/c they’re CONSTANTLY in 3rd and longs.

Make something happen so that we can extend this drive/stay in this game. Sure You have to make a few of those hero throws/plays every game but you can’t live there down in down out like we do.

And as good as he is, the guy he just played is a good example of why that play isn’t sustainable b/c That is why LJ8 hasn’t had the same ysuccess in the playoffs that he’s had in the regular season. Defenses could just focus on him & his 1 other weapon (Andrews).

Same thing with CJ right now.
Plays were there to be made again this week that didn't get made . (Again)

You talk about Stroud being under pressure, well if you watched the Cincy, Denver game yesterday, Joey B was under far more pressure than Stroud was this week and he still made plays when his team needed him the most. After last season I expected CJ to be more like Joey B and less like Carr. I guess my expectations were too high.
 
Stroud will be just fine. He has too much to lose to be a jag in this league. He actually cares about his image. He’s also playing for his father who’s locked up. I’m sure he doesn’t want the inmates beating up his dad because they lost a bet due to his play. You guys need to relax. The nfl made a stupid choice of making the Texans play 3 games in 11 days. Let’s see if Cj can have a revenge game against the titans. Expecting Cj to be Mahomes and Tom Brady due to a stellar rookie season is unrealistic. QBs have there ups and downs. You can’t put all the blame on a 23 year old who’s still a baby in this game
I agree with you. However I have seen CJ misfire on some easy passes that had nothing to do with Slowik or a bad O-line or his being a baby in this game. He has to settle down and get his focus back to where he capitalizes on what should be easy throws that he has missed this season. I think all in all CJ has done a fair job but we can't put all the blame on other factors outside of CJ just as we can't blame CJ for all his struggles all around.

Our Texans have met expectations record wise this season. Had we had better O-line support, play calling from Slowik and not had key injuries there is a chance we exceed those expectations. The schedule this season was among the toughest in the league and despite disruptions due to injury and other factors our team has at least met early season expectations! I see the glass half full as opposed to half empty!
 
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Plays were there to be made again this week that didn't get made . (Again)

You talk about Stroud being under pressure, well if you watched the Cincy, Denver game yesterday, Joey B was under far more pressure than Stroud was this week and he still made plays when his team needed him the most. After last season I expected CJ to be more like Joey B and less like Carr. I guess my expectations were too high.
everything is black and white with you…too bad the real world doesn’t quite work like that. So u gonna tell me Joe Burrow hasn’t missed open guys before? You really gonna tell me Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes hell TB12 haven’t succumbed to pressure before? A year after he led the Patriots to the SB, TB12 and the pats went 8-8 missed the playoffs and Tom Brady looked like a regular ass dude.

So Yeah, your expectations might’ve been a little too high for a 2nd year player playing behind a bunch of turnstiles all season. I won’t even touch on who Joe Burrow has to throw to and/or who he has calling plays for him. Hell Zac Taylor had Jake Browning looking like a competent starter for 7 games last year when Burrow was out. Think Slowik could get Mills to look that good? Better yet, do u think Slowik could have Mills look anything close to or better than what CJ has behind this o-line? I think u know the answer to that. Hell to the no.

As usual, you’re reaching with your comparisons of each guy and their relative circumstances.
 
everything is black and white with you…too bad the real world doesn’t quite work like that. So u gonna tell me Joe Burrow hasn’t missed open guys before? You really gonna tell me Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes hell TB12 haven’t succumbed to pressure before? A year after he led the Patriots to the SB, TB12 and the pats went 8-8 missed the playoffs and Tom Brady looked like a regular ass dude.

So Yeah, your expectations might’ve been a little too high for a 2nd year player playing behind a bunch of turnstiles all season. I won’t even touch on who Joe Burrow has to throw to and/or who he has calling plays for him. Hell Zac Taylor had Jake Browning looking like a competent starter for 7 games last year when Burrow was out. Think Slowik could get Mills to look that good? Better yet, do u think Slowik could have Mills look anything close to or better than what CJ has behind this o-line? I think u know the answer to that. Hell to the no.

As usual, you’re reaching with your comparisons of each guy and their relative circumstances.
Are you saying Burrow hasn't been under severe pressure this year and he's still producing. Like I said you've got a higher opinion of Taylor than most.


You're pretty defensive when it comes to Stroud. I want him to succeed just as much as you do and I think if he works hard this off-season he can get back to where he was. However Stroud has been bad this year, and no I don't think Slowik is a different coach from the guy that was getting HC interviews last off-season.
 
The isolated Brady GIFs give you no context to the situations. Sadly, moping on the bench has not been an uncommon event with Stroud.


Also Brady is a little *****. Always complained always whined always lobbied to the refs on everything. **** that guy.

I'm only worried about Stroud on the field as far as his clock being broken due to the terrible line play, pre-snap penalties etc. Outside of that I'm not worried. I have zero problem with him crying after the Dell catastrophe. That **** was brutal and that's his dude and it's frustrations for Dell + the team's boiling over. I cried when the Texans lost like the 4th bullshit way in a row against the Jets in 2010. ****.

I'm more worried off the field. If things don't go well, his hostage-taking scumbag agent will be all in his ear selling something else.
 
Are you saying Burrow hasn't been under severe pressure this year and he's still producing. Like I said you've got a higher opinion of Taylor than most.


You're pretty defensive when it comes to Stroud. I want him to succeed just as much as you do and I think if he works hard this off-season he can get back to where he was. However Stroud has been bad this year, and no I don't think Slowik is a different coach from the guy that was getting HC interviews last off-season.
No i just don’t like dumb takes And you do this all the time. Acting as if the things and situations are comparable just b/c there are surface level similarities when in actuality they’re not. Once again these guys don’t perform in vacuums so comparing a 2nd year guy with a **** o-line and depleted WR corps to a guy in his 5th year whose throwing to 2 of the best WR’s in the game is asinine.

Besides, Slowik hasn’t done ****. Like last year we still can’t run the ball for **** & his **** playcalling was called out during the KC game for running all those ineffective WR screens that went no where. Aside from that, the Texans offense was only slightly better than middle of the pack last year and that was mostly b/c of a weak division and soft schedule & CJ pulling rabbits out of a hat twice; once against the Bucs and once ironically against your boy Joe Burrow and the Bengals. We also got lucky against the Titans with Keenum.

So I wouldn’t put too much stock in Slowik getting a few interviews. lots of guys get them, many of which we don’t even hear about. I’m sure David Culley got more than a few over the years before he was actually brought here for the HC gig & none of us had a clue who he was. See how many he gets for a HC this year. Goose egg.
 
One of the strangest things about Culley is that it came out he had never once even been interviewed for a HC position, and suddenly he is a HC here. Hell he hadn’t even been a coordinator before. That was the most baffling decision in the history of this team, and that’s saying something. Not to derail…just brought that to mind with your comment Tex.
 
.Besides, Slowik hasn’t done ****. Like last year we still can’t run the ball for **** & his **** playcalling was called out during the KC game for running all those ineffective WR screens that went no where.
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It's the same argument, what has S2roud done?

You're arguing the same thing, different emphasis.
 
It's the same argument, what has S2roud done?

The only thing he can do..go out & play and try to depend on the guys he has at his disposal to step up...which for him means alot of forcing to guys who aren't really open...to guys who he really has no repoire with..to guys who aren't starters in this league. Basically alot of hero ball and alot of trust in guys that have to this point not shown they can play on this level.

So yes, CJ has not been as good as he was last year, but a huge part of HIS issue is that the folks around him aren't helping him much. Its him and Nico in the pass game...Thats really it. Schultz isn't stressing the defense on any level. & there's virtually no help From his playcaller..nor his o-line..........nor the back end of his WR core/pass catchers. I mean really, how many times is Slowik gonna call a WR screen before he realizes Hutchison & Metchie just can't block worth a ****? How many times does Slowik have to see Schultz miss his kick out blocks on toss sweeps / & inside trap runs before he just realizes that he's just too damn slow to reach those blocks & he needs to scrap the play? Your 4th and 5th string WR's can't separate, where are all your bunch/stack formations to help them and your QB get some room to operate? Can't protect your QB in the pocket, Where's all the rolling pockets not off play-action......which no defense is biting on by the way b/c your RB is averaging 1.4 ypc!

You can't ask any qb to operate like this drive in, drive out. ......and be successful that is.
 
One of the strangest things about Culley is that it came out he had never once even been interviewed for a HC position, and suddenly he is a HC here. Hell he hadn’t even been a coordinator before. That was the most baffling decision in the history of this team, and that’s saying something. Not to derail…just brought that to mind with your comment Tex.

I stand corrected..Culley is the 1 guy who was so bad he couldn't even get Rooney-rule token coordinator interviews. However, I still stand by my comments in that interviews don't mean a whole lot. Anyone heard from Eric Bienemy lately?
 
Also Brady is a little *****. Always complained always whined always lobbied to the refs on everything. **** that guy.

I'm only worried about Stroud on the field as far as his clock being broken due to the terrible line play, pre-snap penalties etc. Outside of that I'm not worried. I have zero problem with him crying after the Dell catastrophe. That **** was brutal and that's his dude and it's frustrations for Dell + the team's boiling over. I cried when the Texans lost like the 4th bullshit way in a row against the Jets in 2010. ****.

I'm more worried off the field. If things don't go well, his hostage-taking scumbag agent will be all in his ear selling something else.
Hating on greatness, I want the QB of the team I root for to be as close to Brady like as possible. Kiss the rings.

The McNair's chose to get in bed with DM let them suffer the consequences of their actions. Good thing is if CJ doesn't improve then the new contract should be a moot point.
 
The only thing he can do..go out & play and try to depend on the guys he has at his disposal to step up...which for him means alot of forcing to guys who aren't really open...to guys who he really has no repoire with..to guys who aren't starters in this league. Basically alot of hero ball and alot of trust in guys that have to this point not shown they can play on this level.

So yes, CJ has not been as good as he was last year, but a huge part of HIS issue is that the folks around him aren't helping him much. Its him and Nico in the pass game...Thats really it. Schultz isn't stressing the defense on any level. & there's virtually no help From his playcaller..nor his o-line..........nor the back end of his WR core/pass catchers. I mean really, how many times is Slowik gonna call a WR screen before he realizes Hutchison & Metchie just can't block worth a ****? How many times does Slowik have to see Schultz miss his kick out blocks on toss sweeps / & inside trap runs before he just realizes that he's just too damn slow to reach those blocks & he needs to scrap the play? Your 4th and 5th string WR's can't separate, where are all your bunch/stack formations to help them and your QB get some room to operate? Can't protect your QB in the pocket, Where's all the rolling pockets not off play-action......which no defense is biting on by the way b/c your RB is averaging 1.4 ypc!

You can't ask any qb to operate like this drive in, drive out. ......and be successful that is.
Like I said, same issue different emphasis. What is S2roud supposed to do when he's dealing with less than ideal situations around him?

Well, what's Slowick supposed to do when his point man is dealing with less than ideal situations around him? Yeah, he can scrap plays, but then he calls the same WR screen losing yards 3 times to no avail. That had been one of our more consistent plays all year.
 
No i just don’t like dumb takes And you do this all the time. Acting as if the things and situations are comparable just b/c there are surface level similarities when in actuality they’re not. Once again these guys don’t perform in vacuums so comparing a 2nd year guy with a **** o-line and depleted WR corps to a guy in his 5th year whose throwing to 2 of the best WR’s in the game is asinine.

Besides, Slowik hasn’t done ****. Like last year we still can’t run the ball for **** & his **** playcalling was called out during the KC game for running all those ineffective WR screens that went no where. Aside from that, the Texans offense was only slightly better than middle of the pack last year and that was mostly b/c of a weak division and soft schedule & CJ pulling rabbits out of a hat twice; once against the Bucs and once ironically against your boy Joe Burrow and the Bengals. We also got lucky against the Titans with Keenum.

So I wouldn’t put too much stock in Slowik getting a few interviews. lots of guys get them, many of which we don’t even hear about. I’m sure David Culley got more than a few over the years before he was actually brought here for the HC gig & none of us had a clue who he was. See how many he gets for a HC this year. Goose egg.
You're right, things dont happen in a vacuum and I'm fine with letting Slowik go as long as they can bring in a vet OC like McDaniels or Daboll.

Burrow has been under intense pressure this yr and has dealt with it much better than Stroud has. (BTW, not being able to deal well with pressure was a knock on CJ coming out of college) Also Burrow is able to keep his emotions in check. You will never see Burrow breaking down crying like a baby on the sidelines. I'm worried about Stroud being mentally tough enough to lead the team to a championship. He seems like a mentally weak guy and I'm not referring to how smart he is when I'm talking about mental weakness. Let me put this to you another way, what championship winning QB have you ever seen breakdown on the sideline like Stroud did?
 
Like I said, same issue different emphasis. What is S2roud supposed to do when he's dealing with less than ideal situations around him?

Well, what's Slowick supposed to do when his point man is dealing with less than ideal situations around him? Yeah, he can scrap plays, but then he calls the same WR screen losing yards 3 times to no avail. That had been one of our more consistent plays all year.
And those plays were there to be made if Hutch/Schultz could block worth a crap.
 
You're right, things dont happen in a vacuum and I'm fine with letting Slowik go as long as they can bring in a vet OC like McDaniels or Daboll.

Burrow has been under intense pressure this yr and has dealt with it much better than Stroud has. (BTW, not being able to deal well with pressure was a knock on CJ coming out of college) Also Burrow is able to keep his emotions in check. You will never see Burrow breaking down crying like a baby on the sidelines. I'm worried about Stroud being mentally tough enough to lead the team to a championship. He seems like a mentally weak guy and I'm not referring to how smart he is when I'm talking about mental weakness. Let me put this to you another way, what championship winning QB have you ever seen breakdown on the sideline like Stroud did?

Wasn't on the sideline but this guy was crying b/c he wasn't drafted where he thought he should've been. Mind you this was several years and a few SB's after the fact.
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My point? i think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill here. Yeah, the kid was crying during the game. I'll even go along with you and say that he shouldn't have let the cameras see him like that. But to question the kid's mental toughness? He's a young kid & he's gonna eventually learn that while the fans and media are the ones who build you up, they are the same ones that will tear you down...& half the time they don't even know or have all the facts b/c all it takes these days is some wise-cracking talking head on 1 of these opinion shows..or some idiot with a youtube channel or twitter account to start something......You should know that considering how they did Jose Altuve and that "buzzer" ****.
 
Hating on greatness, I want the QB of the team I root for to be as close to Brady like as possible. Kiss the rings.

The McNair's chose to get in bed with DM let them suffer the consequences of their actions. Good thing is if CJ doesn't improve then the new contract should be a moot point.
You might not wanna hear this, but he's already got that new fat contract based on the promise he showed his rookie year.............. and even this year............. based on the fact that we're headed back to the playoffs for the 2nd straight year.
 
You might not wanna hear this, but he's already got that new fat contract based on the promise he showed his rookie year.............. and even this year............. based on the fact that we're headed back to the playoffs for the 2nd straight year.
I realize this and it's why I hope he improves. But if he doesn't improve he shouldn't be getting Lawrence money. If that's what DM wants they should let him walk. Because signing him long term is relegating the Texans to mediocrity. Kind like a lower class Moon or an upper class Schaub.
 
Wasn't on the sideline but this guy was crying b/c he wasn't drafted where he thought he should've been. Mind you this was several years and a few SB's after the fact.
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My point? i think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill here. Yeah, the kid was crying during the game. I'll even go along with you and say that he shouldn't have let the cameras see him like that. But to question the kid's mental toughness? He's a young kid & he's gonna eventually learn that while the fans and media are the ones who build you up, they are the same ones that will tear you down...& half the time they don't even know or have all the facts b/c all it takes these days is some wise-cracking talking head on 1 of these opinion shows..or some idiot with a youtube channel or twitter account to start something......You should know that considering how they did Jose Altuve and that "buzzer" ****.
I've just never seen a champion breakdown on the field like that and it should make you wonder too.
 
I realize this and it's why I hope he improves. But if he doesn't improve he shouldn't be getting Lawrence money. If that's what DM wants they should let him walk. Because signing him long term is relegating the Texans to mediocrity. Kind like a lower class Moon or an upper class Schaub.
Has nothing to do with DM…this is the league…..& We’ll be lucky if it’s “just” Lawrence money. By then, that’ll be a steal of a deal if we get him for that.
 
You're right, things dont happen in a vacuum and I'm fine with letting Slowik go as long as they can bring in a vet OC like McDaniels or Daboll.
What do you think about promoting Johnson?

"We" originally thought that was the plan.
 
i think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill here.
I think there's something here. Not just when Tank got hurt, but before that. The Defense was balling against Miami & S2roud was moping on the bench by himself. He was so distraught he couldn't share his teammates glory in the moment.

& it's something that had been building all season.

Don’t be concerned, you don't have to be. But don't act like it isn't happening. We may be wrong about why it's happening, we can't see inside Cj's head. We may be wrong about what it means for the team or how it's going to shake out, we don't have crystal balls. It's all speculation. Our's & yours.

But don't act like it isn't happening.

I liked the old Cj, when he was talking smack & backing it up. I'd rather he'd still talk that smack even though things aren't working the way he expects them to. I want him to have that confidence, play with that confidence, & inspire that confidence.

Everybody knows he's dealing with something less than ideal, but they're expecting him to be that beacon of hope, like DeMeco.
 
I realize this and it's why I hope he improves. But if he doesn't improve he shouldn't be getting Lawrence money. If that's what DM wants they should let him walk. Because signing him long term is relegating the Texans to mediocrity. Kind like a lower class Moon or an upper class Schaub.
That's what he's saying, regardless he's getting the 5th year option & the extension because of his rookie season. It's a done deal. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you believe different.
 
I think there's something here. Not just when Tank got hurt, but before that. The Defense was balling against Miami & S2roud was moping on the bench by himself. He was so distraught he couldn't share his teammates glory in the moment.

& it's something that had been building all season.

Don’t be concerned, you don't have to be. But don't act like it isn't happening. We may be wrong about why it's happening, we can't see inside Cj's head. We may be wrong about what it means for the team or how it's going to shake out, we don't have crystal balls. It's all speculation. Our's & yours.

But don't act like it isn't happening.

I liked the old Cj, when he was talking smack & backing it up. I'd rather he'd still talk that smack even though things aren't working the way he expects them to. I want him to have that confidence, play with that confidence, & inspire that confidence.

Everybody knows he's dealing with something less than ideal, but they're expecting him to be that beacon of hope, like DeMeco.
I think he just has 1 of those faces to where if he isn’t out right smiling or talking, people just assume something’s amiss. I only say that b/c I have one of those faces. Can’t tell you how many people I work with that I am now very good friends with who told me “you looked mean & I didn’t wanna mess with you”… only for them to find out that’s not me at all and I’m just a big ass goof ball..but won’t speak if you don’t speak to me.


Only CJ just has a face that looks like he’s about ready to cry all the time.
 
That's what he's saying, regardless he's getting the 5th year option & the extension because of his rookie season. It's a done deal. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you believe different.
They're going to extend him after next yr. That's what DM clients get (Extended after the 3rd yr, like the Pervert got extended.) Guess what an extension with a DM client means? Nothing, See: Derrick

Even if Stroud plays like he did last yr he's going to get at the very least a Daniel Jones type extension, but most likely he will get a Lawrence type deal, which most likely will lead the Texans into mediocrity unless CJ improves. Good news is we've seen how good Stroud can be, it's a matter of CJ being willing to put in the work to get better at his craft.

I'm not going to be disappointed regardless, but I will know what to expect.
 
What do you think about promoting Johnson?

"We" originally thought that was the plan.
I absolutely love Johnson and think one day he will eventually become a HC. With this said, Johnson is the QB coach and his pupil is having a bad yr, so for that reason I want Slowik/Strausser/Johnson to all be let go and veteran asst coaches be brought in. I'm thinking McDaniels/Munchak/Olsen for OC/OL/QB coach. If they want to go young then go with Keenum as QB coach.
 
With you it is, reality is this is the qb market. ESPN just got thru showing a graphic on the Monday night broadcast talking about Purdy’s upcoming contract & how stupid it is these contracts for Qb’s are ballooning higher & higher simply b/c of being “the next guy up”.
I dont think that QB's should be re-upped until after yr 4. What he did with Derrick after signing a record contract months earlier told me all I need to know about that slimey SOB. Not to mention the Houstoian crap.

Of course I look at the QB position differently than most. I would move a QB in a heartbeat if I thought I couldn't win a championship with him and signing him would lead to 4-5 yrs of mediocrity. Also I would move on from a QB after yr 7 or 8 due to them taking up too much cap space to win a championship. Of course I'm not an owner having to worry about putting butts in the seats.
 
Wasn't on the sideline but this guy was crying b/c he wasn't drafted where he thought he should've been. Mind you this was several years and a few SB's after the fact.
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My point? i think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill here. Yeah, the kid was crying during the game. I'll even go along with you and say that he shouldn't have let the cameras see him like that. But to question the kid's mental toughness? He's a young kid & he's gonna eventually learn that while the fans and media are the ones who build you up, they are the same ones that will tear you down...& half the time they don't even know or have all the facts b/c all it takes these days is some wise-cracking talking head on 1 of these opinion shows..or some idiot with a youtube channel or twitter account to start something......You should know that considering how they did Jose Altuve and that "buzzer" ****.
He has been moping on the bench all season long.
 
Sooner or later the defense will give up on a QB who does that.
CJ has had a mostly poor o-line and poor coaching with key injuries and our team still has met early season expectations with a tough schedule. It is always easy to scapegoat young Qb's but there are many factors that people choose to overlook. Yes CJ isn't without blame. His lack of accuracy on more passes this season and throwing more int's this season can't be overlooked but I don't think CJ has done a bad job at Qb all in all. Let's give him another season with some needed changes to determine whether he is a franchise Qb and a big part of our future.

A struggling offense makes a defenses job a lot harder and I think we have witnessed our defense fading down the stretch in games due to our offenses struggles. I think it is a testament to how good our team can be if the right changes are made and other factors work to our favor.

I have full confidence in CJ's future as a Texan!
 
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I think it is better for CJ to mope than to play the blame game and push his teammates under the bus! His moping shows that he gives a darn! To me that is better than if he was nonchalant and had little to no emotion!
What do QBs that win SBs look like on the sidelines? I've never seen one with the look CJ has had this year and that doesn't bode well for the future. Hopefully he grows up and puts in the badly needed work this off-season.
 
What do QBs that win SBs look like on the sidelines? I've never seen one with the look CJ has had this year and that doesn't bode well for the future. Hopefully he grows up and puts in the badly needed work this off-season.
CJ has had a decent season considering other factors and nothing about this season says to me what has or hasn't done doesn't bode well for the future. He is only in his second season and Qb's in their second aren't looking like future HOF's! His look is hardly a reason to write him off! At the beginning of the season what record did you expect us to have? I figured we would finish with anywhere from 8 to 10 wins. I saw other posters did as well. Seeing this season unfold I am more encouraged than discouraged. With better health, a few new coaches and less critical injuries I think we could be the next Detroit Lions!

Moping is what is understandable when things around you turn shitty! Far too many times this season things have been that way for CJ. I totally get and understand CJ's mental state! That may just be me though!
 
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I called 10 wins at the beginning of the season. They're going to get there. However I certainly didn't expect CJ to regress like he has.

I didn't expect him to literally cry like a baby on the field or out like he's been doing most of the yr. Is that what the on field leader of the franchise is supposed to look like?

Can he turn things around? Of course he can, he's got the ability. He just has to work harder than he probably ever has in his life this off-season. It's a matter of work ethic and I hope he realizes he's part of the problem and decides he wants to work to become part of the solution.
 
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Like I said, same issue different emphasis. What is S2roud supposed to do when he's dealing with less than ideal situations around him?

Well, what's Slowick supposed to do when his point man is dealing with less than ideal situations around him? Yeah, he can scrap plays, but then he calls the same WR screen losing yards 3 times to no avail. That had been one of our more consistent plays all year.
What do you do when your play caller is as much, if not more, the reason your situation is less than ideal? Stroud has had his issues this season. Mahomes has had his struggles, but he has Reid calling his plays, one of the best ever to do it. Burrow has a proven OC and an all-star cast of receivers to throw to.
The Raven's game was Strouds worst of the season. He missed more passes than I've ever seen him miss. No one seems to mention that one of his worst misses was because he was stepped on and hit while he was passing.
 
You're right, things dont happen in a vacuum and I'm fine with letting Slowik go as long as they can bring in a vet OC like McDaniels or Daboll.

Burrow has been under intense pressure this yr and has dealt with it much better than Stroud has. (BTW, not being able to deal well with pressure was a knock on CJ coming out of college) Also Burrow is able to keep his emotions in check. You will never see Burrow breaking down crying like a baby on the sidelines. I'm worried about Stroud being mentally tough enough to lead the team to a championship. He seems like a mentally weak guy and I'm not referring to how smart he is when I'm talking about mental weakness. Let me put this to you another way, what championship winning QB have you ever seen breakdown on the sideline like Stroud did?
Burrow is having a great season and I will not minimize his performance to make a point. Prior to this season. The knock on him has been he holds the ball too long, contributes to his sacks and might be overrated. To drive the Stroud is weak minded narrative, you have made Burrow with twice as many games played as the benchmark. Yet, this benchmark, has a career 37-30 record? Would you be happy if Stroud kept his emotion in check, stood in the pocket and the Texans' record with Stroud was 37-30? Remember, stats are for losers and Burrow's cap hit will be 15% next year.

EDIT: After this post, I'm done posting about this weak-minded narrative or the greatness of Joe Burrow. I'll just sit back and similar to the S2 agenda, watch the detractors quietly shut up and wait for the next opportunity to chase another narrative.
 
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Burrow is having a great season and I will not minimize his performance to make a point. Prior to this season. The knock on him has been he holds the ball too long, contributes to his sacks and might be overrated. To drive the Stroud is weak minded narrative, you have made Burrow with twice as many games played as the benchmark. Yet, this benchmark, has a career 37-30 record? Would you be happy if Stroud kept his emotion in check, stood in the pocket and the Texans' record with Stroud was 37-30? Remember, stats are for losers and Burrow's cap hit will be 15% next year.

EDIT: After this post, I'm done posting about this weak-minded narrative or the greatness of Joe Burrow. I'll just sit back and similar to the S2 agenda, watch the detractors quietly shut up and wait for the next opportunity to chase another narrative.
I'll take a SB appearance and an AFCCG appearance that they should've won if not for being Chief'ed. BTW, The reason the record is what it is , Burrow has been hurt and missed significant time in 2 of his 5 seasons which has lead to that record. His only healthy season of not making a SB or AFCCG is this record setting season. I dont see Burrow holding onto the ball to long. Also I've never seen Burrow crying or pouting on the sideline, maybe you have?
 
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