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Gado To Start

xtruroyaltyx said:
40 time doesn't equal football speed...

Isn't the guy coming off of a major injury???
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I totally agree, but football 40 times are valid once the player is in the open field. And last year, Gado was never caught from behind.

His "major injury" you speak of is nothing of the kind. He had a very minor knee sprain and would have played in the last game of the season but Sherman did not want him to push to hard in a dismal season...Sources close to Gado said he was 100 percent ten days after the knee bruise.

There was no rehab...no surgery, no nothing.

I am telling you, if our line grades out at at-least a B-, then Samkon will have 80-100 yards...

Zone blocking is all about rhythm...carry after carry...and then one cut and gone...
 
thunderkyss said:
what team had a good rushing day against Dallas or Miami this year??
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I don't know, but we pretty much stink against everybody else too.

I don't know about Miami (no sarcasm--I really don't), but yeah Dallas is really good against the run.
 
HJam72 said:
I don't know, but we pretty much stink against everybody else too.

I don't know about Miami (no sarcasm--I really don't), but yeah Dallas is really good against the run.
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Baltimore, Dallas, Miami...... That's pretty much the way it goes.

Philly, Indy, Washington...... we didn't get enough carries, Indy & Washington, we got behind way too early, way too fast, running the ball was not in the game plan in the second half.

Philly, Lundy fumbled the ball, and we never heard from him since. There was no good reason to abandon the run in that game, we could've should've won that one.
 
I'm sure that Kubiak wants to run. I would think that if he's not doing it, it's because he feels that the performance on the field regarding the running game is severely lacking. I don't remember the details like you're bringing up, but I remember thinking that the running game is so bad they're only doing it to avoid passing on every play. That and hoping it would get better back at that time, of course. Now, I really have my doubts for it this year.
 
thunderkyss said:
Baltimore, Dallas, Miami...... That's pretty much the way it goes.

Philly, Indy, Washington...... we didn't get enough carries, Indy & Washington, we got behind way too early, way too fast, running the ball was not in the game plan in the second half.

Philly, Lundy fumbled the ball, and we never heard from him since. There was no good reason to abandon the run in that game, we could've should've won that one.
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That's a good point that a lot of people seem to be missing - all season we've either played against teams that are top 10 against the run or we've gone behind and had to throw to get back in it (with the exception of Philly - which I agree we didn't run enough second half).

I'm not saying that this is an excuse for the dismal numbers we've put up, but with an O-Line that's yet to settle into a new scheme and a lot of changes it would have taken a special RB to put up decent numbers. If you can create a hole for him, Gado has a lot of speed and Lundy shows decent instincts for a rook.

Unfortunately we're up against another top 10 runstopping defense this Sunday but if we mix up the playbook a little and don't fall a long way behind I reckon the rushing yards will start to climb.
 
touttail said:
I thought Ricky Williams would have been an Earl Cambell type back.

boy was I wrong!

bobby 119C
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He is an Earl Campbel back. Unfortunately, he can't put down the wacky tobaccy . Which, seems to be a reoccouring theme in Sodom on Town Lake with it's some of it's football palyers these days.
 
El Tejano said:
I think that is happening very quietly with McKinney. You might not hear straight out but Mckinney is losing ground both on the field and with this coaching staff.
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I've been waiting for this. Let the record show it wasn't me that posted it. Easy to ignor the o-line untill it reahes critical mass. If what happens Sunday against the Jags is what I think will happen, we'll have reached critical mass.
 
TexansSeminole said:
So far, from what I have seen, this guy is no good... He seems way way too slow when initially getting the ball.
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Yeah I'm with you. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Behind a more effietent line no doubt he makes a better showing. But how many teams now in how many years ? Our rooks spit the bit out of camp and what we got is what we got. Off the (s)crap heap running backs. Put lip stick on it all you want. But that's what it is. A pig is still a pig no matter how much you desser her up.
 
wolfscar said:
Unfortunately we're up against another top 10 runstopping defense this Sunday but if we mix up the playbook a little and don't fall a long way behind I reckon the rushing yards will start to climb.
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Dallas has put up good numbers against bad teams.. us included. they managed 88 yards against Jacksonville.

they also played Pitts, who was trying to run WillieParker like he was jeromBettis. then they played Indy, not really a running football team, and Washington who gained 150 yards, on 40 carries, for 3.8 ypc.

So even though they look top ten, we can prove that they really aren't. If nothing else, we need to keep mistakes to a minimum, and run the ball over 30 times, even if we are only getting 3.4 ypc.

Of course, with that same thinking, we could have proven Dallas to not be top 10 (because they haven't played anyone yet either(including us)), but Dallas base D is a 5 man front. Greg Ellis is a true DE, and Demarcus Ware is hell on a TE.
 
threetoedpete said:
Yeah I'm with you. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
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Based on this logic, ThreeToedPete must be a complete Moron.

threetoedpete said:
Behind a more effietent line no doubt he makes a better showing. But how many teams now in how many years ? Our rooks spit the bit out of camp and what we got is what we got. Off the (s)crap heap running backs. Put lip stick on it all you want. But that's what it is. A pig is still a pig no matter how much you desser her up.
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How many teams in how many years?? That is the most ignorant observation of the season...

Rookie-Free-Agent with the chiefs...
1. Priest Holmes was healthy and starting...
2. Larry Johnson was the 3 million dollar back-up.
3. Tony Richardson was third team...

So after being cut, Saunders and Vermeil call him at home to make sure he knows how much they liked him. (Green BAy newspaper said so...)

Then with Pack, excelled as soon as he had 20 carries...with a so-so line. NFC O.Player for the Month of November...Rookie of the week three times...

Then, as soon as Sherman (his Head coach) has the chance to acquire him somehow, you make this a negative judgement against him. To me that is the highest compliment you can give to a player...to leave the team and then look back and trade for him...

Unfortunately he has a so-so line here too...a So-So - So so so BAD line....wow....

I cannot wait to come back to this forum when you guys are all drulling over gado for having two rushing tds and 111 yards...

You all are such fair weather johnsons.
 
Jim Nayzium said:
Based on this logic, ThreeToedPete must be a complete Moron.
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That would've been such a good post, had you not gone there.

Besides, we could've picked up edgerin James, or SuanAlexander, and if they had the seasons here, that they've had with Arizona & Seattle, the same people would be arguing the same points.

Nobody is nobody if they haven't done it already on someone else's team. They'll end up overpaying for those guys, then finding someone else to blame it on.
 
Jim Nayzium said:
Based on this logic, ThreeToedPete must be a complete Moron.



How many teams in how many years?? That is the most ignorant observation of the season...

Rookie-Free-Agent with the chiefs...
1. Priest Holmes was healthy and starting...
2. Larry Johnson was the 3 million dollar back-up.
3. Tony Richardson was third team...

So after being cut, Saunders and Vermeil call him at home to make sure he knows how much they liked him. (Green BAy newspaper said so...)

Then with Pack, excelled as soon as he had 20 carries...with a so-so line. NFC O.Player for the Month of November...Rookie of the week three times...

Then, as soon as Sherman (his Head coach) has the chance to acquire him somehow, you make this a negative judgement against him. To me that is the highest compliment you can give to a player...to leave the team and then look back and trade for him...

Unfortunately he has a so-so line here too...a So-So - So so so BAD line....wow....

I cannot wait to come back to this forum when you guys are all drulling over gado for having two rushing tds and 111 yards...

You all are such fair weather johnsons.
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Ahhh, a new poster trying to impress people. With a start like this one, I predict a turbulent life on the board. Good luck.
 
thunderkyss said:
Dallas has put up good numbers against bad teams.. us included. they managed 88 yards against Jacksonville.

they also played Pitts, who was trying to run WillieParker like he was jeromBettis. then they played Indy, not really a running football team, and Washington who gained 150 yards, on 40 carries, for 3.8 ypc.

So even though they look top ten, we can prove that they really aren't. If nothing else, we need to keep mistakes to a minimum, and run the ball over 30 times, even if we are only getting 3.4 ypc.

Of course, with that same thinking, we could have proven Dallas to not be top 10 (because they haven't played anyone yet either(including us)), but Dallas base D is a 5 man front. Greg Ellis is a true DE, and Demarcus Ware is hell on a TE.
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The Jags defense is for real. They are holding opponents to 88 yards per game on the ground, and 4 of the teams they have played are ranked in the top 15 in rushing offense, and 3 of those teams have a top 10 rushing offense. The Jags defense is going to crush our excuse for a running game, and if they don't I guess it will just be a nice surprise for me.

Dallas, 4th ranked rushing offense in the NFL, was held to 88 yards on the ground against the Jags. Pittsburgh, ranked 8th in the NFL in rushing offense, was held to 26 yards rushing against the Jags. Indy, ranked 14th in the NFL in rushing offense, was held to 63 yards rushing by the Jags. Washington, ranked 7th in the NFL in rushing offense, did gain 152 rushing yards against the Jags, but they did it on 40 carries, for an average YPC of 3.8, the Jets, ranked 21st in the NFL, gained 132 yards against the Jags on 34 carries for an average YPC of 3.9.
 
Jim Nayzium said:
Based on this logic, ThreeToedPete must be a complete Moron.



How many teams in how many years?? That is the most ignorant observation of the season...

Rookie-Free-Agent with the chiefs...
1. Priest Holmes was healthy and starting...
2. Larry Johnson was the 3 million dollar back-up.
3. Tony Richardson was third team...

So after being cut, Saunders and Vermeil call him at home to make sure he knows how much they liked him. (Green BAy newspaper said so...)

Then with Pack, excelled as soon as he had 20 carries...with a so-so line. NFC O.Player for the Month of November...Rookie of the week three times...

Then, as soon as Sherman (his Head coach) has the chance to acquire him somehow, you make this a negative judgement against him. To me that is the highest compliment you can give to a player...to leave the team and then look back and trade for him...

Unfortunately he has a so-so line here too...a So-So - So so so BAD line....wow....

I cannot wait to come back to this forum when you guys are all drulling over gado for having two rushing tds and 111 yards...

You all are such fair weather johnsons.
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Are you saying he is going to do this against the Jags defense? lmao Put the pipe down! And why are we having to wait for the Great Gado Show? He's had 4 weeks to do this and in 4 weeks he has put up a whopping 49 yards total in 4 games!
 
texan279 said:
The Jags defense is for real. They are holding opponents to 88 yards per game on the ground, and 4 of the teams they have played are ranked in the top 15 in rushing offense, and 3 of those teams have a top 10 rushing offense. The Jags defense is going to crush our excuse for a running game, and if they don't I guess it will just be a nice surprise for me.

Dallas, 4th ranked rushing offense in the NFL, was held to 88 yards on the ground against the Jags. Pittsburgh, ranked 8th in the NFL in rushing offense, was held to 26 yards rushing against the Jags. Indy, ranked 14th in the NFL in rushing offense, was held to 63 yards rushing by the Jags. Washington, ranked 7th in the NFL in rushing offense, did gain 152 rushing yards against the Jags, but they did it on 40 carries, for an average YPC of 3.8, the Jets, ranked 21st in the NFL, gained 132 yards against the Jags on 34 carries for an average YPC of 3.9.
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Sorry, but I'm not ready to crown Jacksonville just yet.

We'll put up 100 yards on their sorry teal green behinds.......
 
dunta23 said:
so is gado or lundy startin tomorow?
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I haven't heard a word. Here's what I DO know.

Texans | Wiegert to play Week 7
Sat, 21 Oct 2006 07:39:48 -0700

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports Houston Texans OT Zach Wiegert (knee) will play Week 7.


Texans | Manning waived
Sat, 21 Oct 2006 07:36:31 -0700

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans waived LB Roy Manning Friday, Oct. 20.


Texans | Wong to play Week 7
Sat, 21 Oct 2006 07:30:17 -0700

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports Houston Texans LB Kailee Wong (knee) will play Week 7.
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thunderkyss said:
Sorry, but I'm not ready to crown Jacksonville just yet.

We'll put up 100 yards on their sorry teal green behinds.......
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The last 3 seasons the Jags overall defense has been ranked 6th, 11th, and 6th in that order. I've always watched a bit more of their games besides when they play us just because they are in our division. Their defense is for real. They have had a good defense for years. It's not like the Jags having a good defense is something new.
 
texan279 said:
The last 3 seasons the Jags overall defense has been ranked 6th, 11th, and 6th in that order. I've always watched a bit more of their games besides when they play us just because they are in our division. Their defense is for real. They have had a good defense for years. It's not like the Jags having a good defense is something new.
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That Jacksonville D ain't crap....... just overrated...... they get to play us & the Titans twice a year..... that'll make anyone's Defensive numbers look pretty good.
 
texan279 said:
Are you saying he is going to do this against the Jags defense? lmao Put the pipe down! And why are we having to wait for the Great Gado Show? He's had 4 weeks to do this and in 4 weeks he has put up a whopping 49 yards total in 4 games!
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When he is done with the pipe I need a hit...still suffering the cowpokes loss.
 
I am not necessarily saying he will do it versus the jags...I am just saying you guys haven't gotten a chance to see the real Gado yet....

Dayne getting the brunt of the carries means that whoever backs him up will have a rough go of it...

I am predicting if Gado gets 20 carries against the Jags, he will a better day than Dayne had against miami...how is that for realistic expectations..???



How about this side bet ---- Leftwich is hobbled, doesn't play well...defense keeps the jags off the field in the first half.

Jags, are shocked at Gado's quick burst through the line and he stuns everyone for two first half TD's and 45 yards rushing with two catches for 27 yards.

The score at the half is Jags 3 - Texans 17

By the way, I found the video links...the packer's site was dead...

http://www.nfl.com/video/2005/14

That link is for week 14 - you have to manually find the packers game.

I was at this game in Green Bay. It was 5 degrees outside. Gado's heads up play in the endzone won the game for the Packers.

He said in the papers he knew he was outside the tackle box so it would not be grounding...He also said favre actually explained the rule to him two weeks earlier...

This kid is special...

He has Walter Payton glide type speed. He rarely looks that fast...but he is just usually not getting caught...The first highlight of the Detroit game is a DB returnign a Kickoff 80 yards...well it is that same DB that Gado outruns on his long td run.

Make sure to watch week 10 or 11 cant remember - the eagles game is the one to watch....he drops Dawkins' drawers...

I am telling you, as the packers went south, my attention turned toward this kid....that is why I want him to succeed in Houston.

You know in the off-season in GB he worked as an intern at the local hospital, and then gave the money back....

In the world of TO, and the rest of the *****s out there...we need folks like Gado to succeed in the league...for the sake of the league.

My only argument is give him the carries that Dayne was getting and he would have gotten much more yardage for us.

Just look at his three open field carries versus Indy...

Come back here to this thread at halftime and make fun of how stupid my prediction plays out....I don't care - I stand by it...


and as for the threeToedPete remark....I was just using his flawed logic against him....if that turns into a volatile forum life....so be it.

I assume you guys need something around here to keep football season interesting...
 
Jim Nayzium said:
How about this side bet ---- Leftwich is hobbled, doesn't play well...defense keeps the jags off the field in the first half.

Jags, are shocked at Gado's quick burst through the line and he stuns everyone for two first half TD's and 45 yards rushing with two catches for 27 yards.

The score at the half is Jags 3 - Texans 17.
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I hope like hell your right :yahoo:
 
Jim Nayzium said:
In the world of TO, and the rest of the *****s out there...we need folks like Gado to succeed in the league...for the sake of the league.
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Not really on topic, but it's a valid reason for giving this guy a solid shot at the job. He is a quality human being - along the lines of Warrick Dunn and Brett Favre and so on - who makes the NFL stand head and shoulders above a lot of other sports as a place where true sportsmen still exist. Coming from Scotland, and being a big fan of rugby, this was one of the major reasons I got interested in the NFL.

Like i say - it's off topic, but it does touch on an important issue and besides, I think it's easier to play your guts out for someone when it's for someone you respect. Which is maybe part of the reason DD does so well. I just wanted to comment on it.
 
texan279 said:
The last 3 seasons the Jags overall defense has been ranked 6th, 11th, and 6th in that order. I've always watched a bit more of their games besides when they play us just because they are in our division. Their defense is for real. They have had a good defense for years. It's not like the Jags having a good defense is something new.
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The Jags are talking a lot about how their D is a role system that doesn't miss big players, but I think that's only partially true. This defense is built around three guys - Marcus Stroud, John Henderson and Mike Peterson. Two of them are out for this game and one of those is the pivotal member of that trio - Mike Peterson. You take him out of the Jags defense and I reckon you see a gap or two where there would have been nothing even resembling daylight before.

If we run the ball 30+ times this game with even a hint of creativity to the playcalling I reckon we can break 100 yards with room to spare.
 
Let me be the first to congratulate Wali Lundy on a fantastic day.

Now, that being said I will make one more decently unbiased observation, and then I will go into my obvious "bias for Samkon-tone."

Wali Lundy is a class act just like Samkon. He is a solid kid with a lot of character. At Virginia he proved he had character. Obviously riding the bench and not dressing and then stepping up like he has shows he has a special side to him. I am very pleased for Houston that someone like this was the one to step up.


I would like to point out now (changing to the biased tone now) that while Lundy did step up and play extremely well, you have to agree with me on this point...

Lundy did not accomplish anything that any other NFL running back would not have been able to accomplish with the same plays given to him. What I mean is the toss sweep was perfectly blocked. Mike Flanagan would have gotten 11 yards on this play, Dayne would have gotten 20, and Lundy got 30 ish...

The ISO late in the game that Lundy broke, I will give him credit for creating 7 more yards at the end of the run with the nice little shake, but Samkon would have also made this play, and maybe gotten 5 extra instead as he drilled the DB instead of shaking him.

Gado's early carries made it obvious that the coaches have really been missing the whole point with not carrying Gado and Lundy all along. Someone else posted this earlier, but Gado and Lundy are at least different types of backs.

At halftime my predictions were almost dead on. And what is worse for us Samkon fans to have to bear is my predictions were spot on and Samkon would have had 135 yards had they just stuck with him.

I am definitely not trying to take anything away from the Lundy camp, nor his performance. I am also well aware of the way it happened. Samkon dropped a pass (that would have led to ZERO gain) and then on the next play was running a pre-designed outside zone play that did not allow him to read the GUARD's block, so he missed the cut-back lane that was there...but if you watch that play again, you will see it was a definite 'get outside quick' play, and therefore the guard getting whipped playside makes it a no-gainer...

So, Kubiak, utilizing the same logic that he has preached, "stick with playing everyone till someone steps up..." plays Lundy on the next series.

And I am happy for Lundy. He is a classy kid. I am happy for the Texans beating a decent football team (no matter how hamstrung they were today..)

All I am saying, to everyone tempted to call me an 1diot , is this:

Had Samkon been in the game on the toss sweep where Lundy got the long run, do you think Samkon would have done just as well?? Of course.

So now we have the best of both worlds. We have the early beginnings of a Warrick Dunn / TJ Ducket type scenario.

For me personally, as I stuck my neck out there pretty far, it is just a shame, that Gado wasn't in the game on the toss sweep, because then I would be the obnoxious poster bragging about my Packer-Kid leading you guys to victory....

As it stands, I have to humbly say I am happy for the team, and happy for Lundy...

Feel free to take your shots on me...but I stand by my predictions, and my opinions. Gado has every yard today (except for the net two yard difference discussed earlier on the shake and bake versus the trucking) that Lundy had.

And now, we have weakly Tennessee...so now the question becomes, do you stick with the exact same system of what worked today...keep the pressure off the rookie starting, and start Gado, and then bring the quickness off the bench...or do you just flat out make Lundy the guy...

I hope for you Lundy Lovers that they stick with the current mode, cuz as soon as they make Lundy the guy...he will go back to appearing inconsistent and dull.

As it stands, the one-two punch is pretty potent. Gado can also pass block much better, so I like the future with the two being a distinct possibility.
 
Tale Gator, I did not tell you to drop Lundy from your fantasy team, I just stated that I had inside information that Gado was going to start.

Jim Nayzium, I agree with you that given the same opportunity on the play that Lundy ran that Gado would have gotten the same amount of yards and I'll go as far as to say Dayne would have picked up 20 yards on that play. I think Lundy and Gado are a nice 1-2 punch. The person that should be worried is Dayne. As one put it earlier, he can go to the concession stands to get the two younger backs some food.

I think you stick with Gado as the starter since he does have a little more experience and let Lundy get a feel for the game and continue to rotate them in. I do think that Gado needs to be in during the 4th quarter when you are trying to run out the clock and pound the football.

Good job Houston. I'll let you know who starts this week. Stay tuned.
 
Doug said:
Now that's funny stuff. Sorry for pokin at you but I couldn't help but laugh when I was reading through this thread and noticed your previous post.
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its aight the guy kicked my butt last night in FF wouldnt of made a differance
 
Samkonfan said:
Tale Gator, I did not tell you to drop Lundy from your fantasy team, I just stated that I had inside information that Gado was going to start.

Jim Nayzium, I agree with you that given the same opportunity on the play that Lundy ran that Gado would have gotten the same amount of yards and I'll go as far as to say Dayne would have picked up 20 yards on that play. I think Lundy and Gado are a nice 1-2 punch. The person that should be worried is Dayne. As one put it earlier, he can go to the concession stands to get the two younger backs some food.

I think you stick with Gado as the starter since he does have a little more experience and let Lundy get a feel for the game and continue to rotate them in. I do think that Gado needs to be in during the 4th quarter when you are trying to run out the clock and pound the football.

Good job Houston. I'll let you know who starts this week. Stay tuned.
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No way, I don't care about experience. Look at DeMeco Ryans, rookies step in all the time and start their first season. Gado has done squat in 4 games, Lundy came into this game and our running game did a 180 in one half. Lundy deserves to start.
 
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