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For the love of God... We NEED a space eating NT now more than ever!

Rey said:
I don't see any way possible they put Mario at OLB...

He's is athletic, but he isn't that type of athletic...No way he can cover a TE man to man...
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They have had him drop into coverage often enough .... I could easily see him in the Demarcus Ware role .


You are probably correct tho , he likely winds up as a DE in any scheme they run.
 
Corrosion said:
They have had him drop into coverage often enough .... I could easily see him in the Demarcus Ware role .


You are probably correct tho , he likely winds up as a DE in any scheme they run.
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When he drops back it's some type of Zone coverage...

I doubt he's ever covered anyone man to man in an NFL game....

Can you imagine Mario trying to check Dallas Clark, Antonio Gates, or even our own Owen Daniels? :yikes:

Probably wouldn't have very many LB's covering those guys anyways, but that'd be a match-up that I'd hate to get caught in even every once in a while. I just don't think Mario has the hips or the acceleration and change of direction speed to start at OLB...

Not saying he could never rush from that position or drop into coverage from there....
 
Shaft75 said:
We have been angry with the front office for years over this, a big body in the middle. This should be the year we get a big boy on the front line of our defense.

Let the sunshine in...
Let the sunshine in...
:clap:
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Err, we're going to go small and athletic.:mariopalm:
 
burro said:
I know this much, but why exactly? He was certainly fat enough for what we're looking for now.
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The term that was thrown around at the time was that he didnt fit the system.

Depending on what they want to do in this version of the 3-4 he still may not fit the system.
 
Rey said:
I don't see any way possible they put Mario at OLB...

He's is athletic, but he isn't that type of athletic...No way he can cover a TE man to man...
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I expect Wade will utilize Mario the same way he did Bruce Smith, Right Defensive End.
 
YUP!! Okam was released because he was a big fat guy buy the last defensive regime. He didn't quite fit their "smaller and athletic" kinda build...


That said, the Texans should take a look at JB... He's a big ol fat guy!!!! :kitten:
 
BattleRedToro said:
I expect Wade will utilize Mario the same way he did Bruce Smith, Right Defensive End.
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Thats about what I expect but MW has so much ability .... You could really create problems by moving him around. He and Barwin on the same side of the field could wreak a lot of havoc.
 
Corrosion said:
Thats about what I expect but MW has so much ability .... You could really create problems by moving him around. He and Barwin on the same side of the field could wreak a lot of havoc.
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Yeah, the Patriots would move Richard Seymour all over the line to confuse the protection. I don't know if Williams would be happy being a catalyst and posting Seymour type stats, but I am thinking Phillips' imagination is filled with ways to exploit Williams' versatility.
 
wagonhed said:
I wonder how well he did. Wouldn't surprise me if he was another wasted talent, victim of shitty personnel evaluation by our coaching staff and GM.
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Okam stepped in for their injured starting DT and...............:kubepalm::wadepalm:

RISING
[Dec 29, 2010]

1. Frank Okam, defensive tackle, Buccaneers. It’s only one game, but Okam took a big stride in possibly shedding the underachiever label that’s been with him for most of his career. In Sunday’s victory against Seattle, Okam played a major role in shutting down the running game. With rookie starters Gerald McCoy and Brian Price lost to injuries, Okam stepped in and produced seven tackles, including two for losses. With McCoy, Price and Roy Miller all returning next year, Okam has a good chance to stick around as the fourth tackle for the long haul.

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I heard Wade likes what Cody and Mitchell can potentially bring to the NG position.

You guys might want to hold off on getting that fat body.
 
Rey said:
I heard Wade likes what Cody and Mitchell can potentially bring to the NG position.

You guys might want to hold off on getting that fat body.
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Where have I heard that before ?? ..... On page two of this thread .... Post #22.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Fat guys


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65045&draftyear=2011&genpos=DT

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66559&draftyear=2011&genpos=DT

OLBs

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=70987&draftyear=2011&genpos=OLB

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=75935&draftyear=2011&genpos=OLB

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=68308&draftyear=2011&genpos=DE
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Interesting prospects, Earl. I'd be ok drafting a NT, but only to backup our starter. IMO, a quality starting NT would be one that is experienced and knows all the tricks of NFL interior Olines. Unless of course we end up with a Ndamukong Suh type player who dominates from day 1.

I've watched a Acho play and like the way he plays. I haven't gotten into draft mode yet, but he might be one to be had on the 2nd day. I'm not too familiar with the other 2. I'm sure I be learnin myself of a buncha players in about a month or so. Too much football still going on
 
Texan_Bill said:
YUP!! Okam was released because he was a big fat guy buy the last defensive regime. He didn't quite fit their "smaller and athletic" kinda build...


That said, the Texans should take a look at JB... He's a big ol fat guy!!!! :kitten:
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Take that back TB! JB's not FAT! He's one of the most athleticly cut bourbon guzzelers I've ever had the honor of bourbon guzzeling with! :slapfight:
 
HuttoKarl said:
Our coaching staff sucks.
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Don't worry, the Texans fired their DL coach.

What? They kept him, too?

Defensive line coach Bill Kollar is keeping his job, even though the pass rush was also an issue.
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That's OK. Gary Kubiak is keeping his job, even though clock manangement, game decisions, personnel evaluation, staff selelection, and game planning are still issues.
 
Lucky said:
Don't worry, the Texans fired their DL coach.

What? They kept him, too?


That's OK. Gary Kubiak is keeping his job, even though clock manangement, game decisions, personnel evaluation, staff selelection, and game planning are still issues.
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Great Avatar


Good ole boys never meanin no harm. McNair/Kubiak/Phillips
 
Texan_Bill said:
YUP!! Okam was released because he was a big fat guy buy the last defensive regime. He didn't quite fit their "smaller and athletic" kinda build...


That said, the Texans should take a look at JB... He's a big ol fat guy!!!! :kitten:
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:bat: Fat? I ain't fat!



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Or, I wasn't 30 years ago...
 
Lance Zierlein looks at the Texans D for 2010 and who fits going foward. Only going to post the 'Moving forward' part.
Defensive End:
Moving Forward: As the Texans transition to a 3-4, they will be very happy to have Antonio Smith and Mario Williams as their DEs. The 3-4 DEs have to be tall, with strength and long arms and that is exactly what Mario and Antonio have. 3-4 DEs are more about power and bull-rushing than finesse and "moves" so in that regard, I really like those guys at that DE spot. Barwin will be able to fit in as a 3-4 OLB and a DE when they go to a 4-3 hybrid look. Barwin will probably be best suited as the weak-side OLB on the QBs blind side. Many times, this player will rush the passer more with less coverage responsibilities. Mark Anderson probably isn't a fit any longer in the 3-4, but Jesse Nading might be able to compete for a spot as a 3-4 OLB.

Defensive Tackle:
Moving forward: Cody has the size to be a rotation player at DE or NT, but he's not really suited for those positions full-time. Still, he'll be on the team next year. I could see Earl Mitchell as a rotation player at the nose, but he's not big enough to be a full-time 3-4 nose. Mitchell is quick off the snap and does have some strength so Wade Phillips could probably make use of him. Okoye's short arms and lack of strength at the point of attack mean he probably can't play the nose and he does have the size or length to play the DE spot. My guess is that the Texans will try and trade him unless they feel like they need him to fill a roster spot out. Any way that you look at it, the Texans don't have a classic 3-4 nose on the roster and they will have to draft at least one while searching another out via free agency.

Cornerback:
Moving forward: I feel very comfortable saying that Antuan Molden is gone and it is pretty likely that Brice McCain will be gone as well. I fully expect the Texans to bring in a veteran CB like Ike Taylor or Champ Bailey to be a starter while letting Kareem Jackson fight for the 2nd or 3rd CB spot. I said it before and after he was drafted and I'll say it once again - Glover Quin needs to move to one of the safety positions. While Quin isn't as fluid as you would like turning and running as a corner, he would be an above average safety in terms of coverage and he's tough enough to play either spot in Wade Phillips' defense. By moving Quin to a safety spot, you take care of a position that you've struggled to fill since the inception of your franchise and it would free the Texans to concentrate on drafting another CB in the first three rounds. Jason Allen will probably make the team next year.

Safety:
Moving forward: There will be some people who will wonder out loud if Pollard can play 3-4 OLB and the answer is no. He can, however, play that position in certain exotic packages, but not as a full-time OLB. I do not think it is a lock that Pollard is back. As Wade Phillips knows, box safeties (see Roy Williams) can get you in trouble pretty quickly on the back end of your coverage. Wilson will probably be gone if the Texans bring in a veteran safety or move Quin to safety, but Nolan is likely to get one more year to prove himself because he's young and cheap. As for Dominique Barber, the team has always seemed to like him when he's healthy so my guess is that he's safe next year. This might finally be the year the Texans draft a safety within the top three rounds.

Linebacker:
Moving forward: The first thing the Texans need is for DeMeco Ryans to come back with the same mobility he showed before his achilles injury. If he does that, he'll be a nice fit inside in the 3-4. I know that most people believe Brian Cushing will be a good fit as an OLB in the 3-4, but I'm not so sure I agree. Cushing can play the position, but I don't think he has the edge speed that you want from the position. Instead, I think Cushing is better-suited to play the ILB position where he can thump and the Texans can use him as an effective blitzer inside. I'm sure the Texans could still put together packages that allowed him to rush the passer from the OLB spot from time to time if necessary. Sharpton could be in some trouble trying to make it in this defense over the long haul. He doesn't have the size or physicality that most 3-4 defenses want inside and I doubt he can play outside. Diles might be able to compete for a backup role inside. The Texans definitely need to find an OLB with a presence off the edge either in free agency or the draft and it needs to be one of their top priorities.

Kicker:
Moving forward: I'm sure the Texans would like to have a kicker with more leg than Rackers, but the question is whether or not Kubiak will have the stones to rely on a rookie kicker via the late rounds of the draft. My guess is that the Texans will bring in competition for Rackers but they probably won't spend a draft pick on one.
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The Browns are hiring Juaron as their DC, which means they'll likely be switching to a 4-3. Maybe we could send Okoye and somebody else there for Ahtyba Rubin? Or maybe even Shaun Rogers?

I think Rubin's only 24-25 years old and he ended up starting ahead of Rogers. He had a very good year for a NT.

I know Wade has mentioned his NT's didn't have to be huge, which is fine, but I just can't see Mitchell or Cody being as dominant as the 3-4 needs. And, I'm sorry, but I don't see any position where Okoye would fit in. Especially if Mario and Smith are our DE's. Trade him!
 
HOU-TEX said:
The Browns are hiring Juaron as their DC, which means they'll likely be switching to a 4-3. Maybe we could send Okoye and somebody else there for Ahtyba Rubin? Or maybe even Shaun Rogers?

I think Rubin's only 24-25 years old and he ended up starting ahead of Rogers. He had a very good year for a NT.

I know Wade has mentioned his NT's didn't have to be huge, which is fine, but I just can't see Mitchell or Cody being as dominant as the 3-4 needs. And, I'm sorry, but I don't see any position where Okoye would fit in. Especially if Mario and Smith are our DE's. Trade him!
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Shaun Rogers
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5508

Haloti Ngata
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7761/career;_ylt=AstfiRrim40PtgcfesqE2CX.uLYF

Casey Hampton
http://sports.yahoo.com
/nfl/players/5466

Just comparing the numbers of Rogers to a couple of the better DT, Rogers seems pretty solid, but might be a bit more "long in the tooth" then the other two.
 
Shaun Rogers is 31 years old. He could play another 4-5 years. I say, get him then draft a mid round NT(say 4th-5th round) to learn from a wily vet. Within 4 years, the rook will be ready to go.
 
HOU-TEX said:
The Browns are hiring Juaron as their DC, which means they'll likely be switching to a 4-3. Maybe we could send Okoye and somebody else there for Ahtyba Rubin? Or maybe even Shaun Rogers?

I think Rubin's only 24-25 years old and he ended up starting ahead of Rogers. He had a very good year for a NT.

I know Wade has mentioned his NT's didn't have to be huge, which is fine, but I just can't see Mitchell or Cody being as dominant as the 3-4 needs. And, I'm sorry, but I don't see any position where Okoye would fit in. Especially if Mario and Smith are our DE's. Trade him!
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I have to agree with the bold - 0k0ye is best suited as an end in the 3-4 and with MW and AS as the starters he's probably not worth keeping around.
 
TimeKiller said:
Uh.....was Okoye worth keeping around in the 4/3?
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I'm not sure that the Texans could have unloaded him, really at any point in time without accepting a nice chunk of $$$. That would have been the smart thing to do early........not taking him at 10 would have been smartest. However, you know, this is a "oil" town...........McNair and company always looking for that "long shot" to come in............though usually looking at just a big hole when it's all said and done.:mcnugget:
 
TimeKiller said:
Uh.....was Okoye worth keeping around in the 4/3?
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This. I would hope we could trade Okoye, but the reality is that there isn't one GM in the league that's going to look at the film on him and pull the trigger on anything more than maybe (MAYBE) a 5th. Okoye's a FA in 2012. Give Wade a year to find something to do with him and then let him find his way to the NFL bargain bin.
 
What scares me is wade will try and take our current roster and make it into a 3-4 It doesnot work that way u got to turn over at least forty to fifty percent of or d to bring in wades 3-4 people to have something IMO
 
An old article........but applicable.

Rex Ryan monitoring Bills' 3-4 switch
INDIANAPOLIS -- New York Jets head coach Rex Ryan is keeping an eye on the Buffalo Bills' defensive makeover.

The Bills are converting from a 4-3 defense under new head coach Chan Gailey and coordinator George Edwards. That will turn the AFC East into a unanimous 3-4 division.

The Bills ran a Tampa 2 defense under former head coach Dick Jauron and his interim replacement, Perry Fewell.

Ryan, considered one of the finest 3-4 masterminds, noted the transformation can be smooth. "I guess that depends on 'Are you changing coverages or is it just the front you are changing?'" Ryan said Saturday at the NFL scouting combine in Lucas Oil Stadium. "There are several different versions of a 3-4. But it depends on your style.

"If the coverages are staying the same, it probably is not as big of a change as what you might think."

The problem for Buffalo, however, is that they're missing the centerpiece of a 3-4 defense: a monstrous nose tackle to stuff the run.

"That might be one of the toughest parts of a 3-4," Ryan said.

Ryan went on to explain why.

(Football jargon alert! "Two-gap responsibility" means a defensive lineman is responsible for either opening beside the offensive lineman in front of him. "A-gap" means the area on either side of the center, a location where defensive linemen frequently will get double-teamed by a center and a guard.)

"If you are playing a standard 3-4 defense, then you got a two-gap responsibility, which means you got to be able to play the front-side A-gap and the backside A-gap at the same time," Ryan said.

"You generally need a dominant individual there. And that is what you have like a Kris Jenkins. A Ted Washington many years ago in Buffalo was one of the best two-gappers I have ever seen.

"A guy has to be active, got to be able to stay on his feet, his technique on releasing off of blocks has got to be outstanding. If not, you are really going to struggle at that spot."
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The Texans will have to change their coverage.............and they will have to find that "dominant individual" in the middle............or they could look just as "good" as they did in 2010.
 
Corrosion said:
I have to agree with the bold - 0k0ye is best suited as an end in the 3-4 and with MW and AS as the starters he's probably not worth keeping around.
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There may be a lot of times when MW is playing one of the OLB spots. Then your ends would be AS and Okoye.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
An old article........but applicable.

Rex Ryan monitoring Bills' 3-4 switch

The Texans will have to change their coverage.............and they will have to find that "dominant individual" in the middle............or they could look just as "good" as they did in 2010.
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Wade doesn't run the "standard" 3-4 where the NT has 2-gap responsibility. That's why he was able to get away with smaller NT's like Jay Ratliff.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Wade doesn't run the "standard" 3-4 where the NT has 2-gap responsibility. That's why he was able to get away with smaller NT's like Jay Ratliff.
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Jay Ratliff is a Pro Bowl player. Maybe Wade was able to "get away with" Ratliff at NT has more to do with Ratliff's ability than size or lack thereof. Ratliffs do not grow on trees. Prior to his stint in Dallas, Wade had a huge NT in Jamal Williams.

Small NTs are the exception rather than the rule in the NFL. The assumption that the Texans will be able to throw anyone at NT and make the defense work is unfounded. Shaun Cody and/or Earl Mitchell are not the likely answer. Vince Wilfork, Casey Hampton, B.J. Raji, Kris Jenkins. This is what NFL NTs generally look like.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Wade doesn't run the "standard" 3-4 where the NT has 2-gap responsibility. That's why he was able to get away with smaller NT's like Jay Ratliff.
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TPN, I have to agree with Lucky on this one. In a 3-4, even with a "smaller NT" all 3 of the linemen have to be able to "overpower" the opposing OL at one time or another. None of our present DL has shown that ability. Even Mario virtually always take the end around route, seeking the least amount of contact possible. As a DE, that will no longer be his main function. He has not shown us much with power up the middle moves, which he will need to be called to perform with the 3-4.
 
The quote was about the standard 3-4 and Wade has already stated that he doesn't run the standard 3-4. He's already said in interviews that he's not asking his linemen to do the standard 3-4 stand-the-guy-up and hold-down-2-gap philosophy. He's already said that's why he was successful with Bruce Smith as a 3-4 DE and why he was successful with Jay Ratliff as an NT.

Therefore, the quote doesn't really matter. It's not about what our defense is supposed to be, what Wade has said our defense is going to be.

With that said, that doesn't mean that our NT is on the team, yet, and it doesn't mean that there aren't going to be major shakeups in our front 7. But Wade might well be looking for another Ed Jasper (6-2 293).
 
With Ratliff at NT the Cowgirls defense stunk last yr. They gave up a franchise record in points allowed I think.

So while Ratliff is a good player. He's a stop gap guy until they find somebody better. Granted the Cowgirls secondary as well as the LB's left alot to be desired. But the DL was also a large part of the blame and Ratliff has to be included in its failure.

Phillips is just telling BoB what he wants to hear.

The Texans need to sign a big old nasty DT in FA or bring a guy like Rodgers home. Then draft a guy like Ellis/Taylor/Fua in the 2/3rd rd. If they want to have a successful transition to the 3-4.
 
steelbtexan said:
With Ratliff at NT the Cowgirls defense stunk last yr. They gave up a franchise record in points allowed I think.

So while Ratliff is a good player. He's a stop gap guy until they find somebody better. Granted the Cowgirls secondary as well as the LB's left alot to be desired. But the DL was also a large part of the blame and Ratliff has to be included in its failure.

Phillips is just telling BoB what he wants to hear.

The Texans need to sign a big old nasty DT in FA or bring a guy like Rodgers home. Then draft a guy like Ellis/Taylor/Fua in the 2/3rd rd. If they want to have a successful transition to the 3-4.
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this is a concern for me, Dallas needs to address NT position here too & they are selecting two spots ahead of Texans. Washington Redskins are just ahead of Texans in the 2nd (probbably ship Haynesworth out) will be looking hard @ a space eating NT here as well....
 
beerlover said:
this is a concern for me, Dallas needs to address NT position here too & they are selecting two spots ahead of Texans. Washington Redskins are just ahead of Texans in the 2nd (probbably ship Haynesworth out) will be looking hard @ a space eating NT here as well....
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Yep


That's why if the Texans are serious they have to get a NT before the 3rd rd.

Either by trading down for an extra 2nd rd pick. Or into the bottom of the 2nd rd.

The Parkers (Wr/DT) and the Carters (NT/OLB) are guys that really impressed me yesterday at the East/West game and probably could be had in rd 4/5.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Thanks to the clutch win against the Jags, there is no way the Texans land Fairley.
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Whether you like Kubes or not you should be glad that the Jags win saved his job. Had we not won that game Wade Phillips might very well be our HC.

Mike
 
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