For my Carr Haters....

[eriadoc]

I agree that Carr has flaws in his game. I have yet to see a QB that doesn't. WHat kills me about the Carr haters is how they can come to the conclusion that he is not and never will be the QB to take us to the promised land. It's been pointed out before, but it bears repeating -- go look at year 1-3 stats on many of the big-name QBs out there. Aside from the two phenoms from the class of '84, most have very similar numbers to what Carr has. Hell, Plunkett suffered most of his career before finally landing ona good team and winning a Super Bowl. Favre was very erratic and many will argue that he still is. He's got hardware and he'll be in the HoF.

From a statistics standpoint, Carr has shown as much improvement as most other year 3 QBs that went on to be successful -- and more than many that never did. From an intangibles standpoint, he has courage, leadership, and a will to win. He's improved, from my observation, in the areas of awareness, decision-making with the football, and improvisation. You can point out flaws, but there simply isn't as much evidence to support the assertion that he won't be a Pro Bowl-caliber QB ..... yet. We'll see after the season, but at this point, Carr should be the #11 concern on an offense of 11 men, IMO.

 

[Davis37]

The thing is, I dont see how anyone can bash Carr seeing what he has to work with. Yes, he does have AJ to throw 2, but he doesnt have a good #2. He also has a horrible pass protection. He has all the tools to become a great QB, but until we get him a solid #2 WR and decent pass protection we can never see his true potential. I dont think we can/should judge him until he has better talent around him.

 

[rittenhouserobz]

Why would somebody compare Brady to Carr? Their repective teams are so different. Carr has more arm strength. I would be willing to bet that if he were somehow drafted by NE in 2002, then Carr would be their QB right now. I am probably giving NE's coaching the greatest credit, which appears to be due.

BTW, Brady or Big-Ben are mediocore if they are the Texans QB. The Texans just don't have the well established coaches and systems in place. If the Texans keep the coaches for the next couple years, then I think they have a shot at winning a SB with Carr at the helm. If the Texans change coaches now, then I think we could be 3-4 years away. IMHO.

 

[Beaverhunter]

Carr is a good guy and he shows some talent I dont think people hate him. I think a lot of people like him he seems like a nice guy.But with that said the practice time is over and its time to win just look around the league other teams completely rebuild in a few years and get in the playoffs and it usually is behind a bold and determined QB and a run stopping defense so if Carr has something to show us its time. The Texans should be winners first and foremost no excuses even if its ugly we need to win. It has been a long time for Houston so whoever is QB Carr,Ragone,or someone else we need a winner now!

 

[Vambo, the Marble Eye]

I am one of those who is called a Carr hater, because I think carr is a starting NFL quality QB in the range of Brooks or Plummer.

Cuz, Brooks is practically retarded... and I just want to KILL HIM when he laughs after throwing an interception. I am not saying Brooks doesn't have talent, but you must really hate Carr to rank him in the same category as Brooks when it comes to intangibles like leadership.

 

[TEXANRED]

There should be no question of Carrs leadership skills on or off the field. Just look at how he handled himself after the fans pelted his wife and children with beer. Put yourself in his position and think if that was your family. How would you react? He also handled the showers of boo's after the cleveland game. Couch was booed less than Carr and couch went on a radio show and whined like a baby. And then after all of that he still went to the football clinic for the lady's to help explain the game of football. Lets also remember during the Falcon game when Carr had a separated shoulder and came into replace banks and won that game for us. that was a late season game with nothing on the line and Carr brakes off a 30 yard run with a bum shoulder. No other QB in the league would have done that. Any other Qb would have told the coach to put ragone in. Look at Vick he sprains a pinky nail and he out 6-8 weeks.

And despite the record Carr had respectable numbers last year. He threw 16 touchdown in a heavily run offense. Yes he did throw 14 int but that is also the competitor in him trying to make somthing happen.

He is a competitor, a leader, a hard thrower, and i belive that he finaly has the tools around him for us to make it to the playoffs.

And on a side note has anyone noticed that the three players that we have on the headliner for the message board that carr looks like he is running for his life?

 

[JacksonvilleJaguar4]

^ no offense to you guys but if you looked at the acctual picture, you would probably see a defender diving to tackle him, I doubt he's just scramnbling because he wants to

 

[canadiantexan]

I just dont understand the Carr haters out there if you look at his numbers from last year they stand up well compared to the rest of the league.
Carrs QB rating of 83.5 put him ahead of qbs like Hasselbeck, Leftwich, Brooks, Vick and Carson Palmer. Davids completion percentage was better than Carson Palmers, Tom Brady, Leftwich, Hasselbeck, Plummer, Delhomme, Brooks, Vick and Harrington. He also threw for more yards than top QB's like Collins, Hasselbeck, Brees, Harrington, Leftwich, Palmer, Pennington, Roethlisberger, Vick and Warner+Eli manning combined. In fact in the AFC the only QB's to throw for more yards were Manning for the Colts(4557), Green from the Chiefs(4591), Plummer from the Broncos(4089) and Tom Brady from the Patriots(3692) Carr threw for 3531 yards with fewer attempts than any of these guys...

Player Yards Atts Yards + Atts +

Trent Green 4591 556 1060 more than Carr 90 more than Carr
Payton Manning 4557 497 1026 more than Carr 31 more than Carr
Jake Plummer 4089 521 558 more thaqn Carr 55 more Than Carr
Tom Brady 3692 474 161 more than Carr 8 more than Carr

Also the only better completion % in the AFC were Manning, Big Ben, Green, Brees and Pennington. These players all had advantages that helped them beat Carr

Manning has three number one recievers and a quality tight end he also calls many plays.
Big Ben played in a very safe offence only throwing 5-15 yard passes most of the time and very rarely threw the ball downfeild. He was also helped by the great recieving core of Ward, Buressand Randel El.
Trent Green has the best O-line, pass catching tight end and arguably the best pass catching RB in the league.
The very same for Brees with the exception of the Best O-Line a very good one but not the best.
Pennington was the only guy who didnt have a distinct advantage over Carr.
I'm not saying numbers are everything because even the most casual football fan knows thats not true. What I am saying that if you take these numbers and factor in that Carr did all these on a third year team with no true tight end, very poor pass protection (and a coach who is a run first run second and throw when you have to kind of coach) then what Carr did last year looks even more impressive. Add to that Davids leadership skills and passion for the game and tremendous arm strength and you have all the ingrediants of a future pro bowl QB.

P.S. Sorry the numbers got bunched up

 

[Vinny]

I don't see much 'Carr hating' here. Why call people talking about the quarterback - and care to critique his game - "Carr haters"? What's with that?

 

[tsip]

My only concern about last season was that it was a tale of two halves
for Carr--great 1st half, horrible second. And,too, our running game was
solid the 2nd half so what happened to our passing game? For us to win
and be a playoff contender, I believe we are going to need to be more
consistent. As Capers pointed out, we only won 3 of our last 9 games
in '04 as our passing game was non-existent during that period. I'm not
saying it was all Carrs fault but the season is 16 games, so-for me- I'd
like to see more consistency and a greater emphasis on winning and less
on stats.

 

[infantrycak]

I don't see much 'Carr hating' here. Why call people talking about the quarterback - and care to critique his game - "Carr haters"? What's with that?

C'mon Vinny, don't you know all of life is either black or white, zero on a test or 100? Either Carr is perfect or he is a bust. Either DD sucks or he is LT. We need to issue all of society the old MacPlus computers so they can remember there are shades of grey.

 

[canadiantexan]

C'mon Vinny, don't you know all of life is either black or white, zero on a test or 100? Either Carr is perfect or he is a bust. Either DD sucks or he is LT. We need to issue all of society the old MacPlus computers so they can remember there are shades of grey.

I'm not trying to say Carr is perfect just that he is better than some of the Bashers say he is. Is there still alot he has to learn YES. Is he the best in the game NO. But what he is in my mind is one of if not the best young QB in the entire NFL and that is a very good thing for a young franchise. One thing is for sure David IS the face of our franchise and as such I think that we (the fans) should support and believe in our player(s). Much the same can be said of DD, is he a Hall of fame back...No probobly not but he is a very good running back who can catch as well as he can run. But if you ask certain people around this message board like (NeedRBin05) they will just say he is terrible. It is good to have your own opinions and express them, that is what a message board is for but...it makes your point more valid if it can be backed up with facts instead of just spouting off about something or someone that you just simply do not like. When our O-Line is shored up we will have a pretty good idea of where David is at as a NFL QB until then it may be a little pre-mature to write off a QB or put him on a pedestal.

 

[TEXANRED]

I don't see much 'Carr hating' here. Why call people talking about the quarterback - and care to critique his game - "Carr haters"? What's with that?

There is a diffrence between critiqueing and bashing.

Example: Critique-Carr has the physical attributes to be a tough strong QB that is suprisingly fast and able to move out of the pocket and make plays using his leg. However at times he needs to settle down, step up into the pocket and trust (yea i know) his blockers to do there job so as to make the big plays down field.

Bashing-Carr has no pocket awarness and cant seem to find any open recievers down field. He cant read coverages and is to nervous to be an effective QB. Just because he can run dosent make him good, just look at vick,Mcnabb,Young and anyother Qb that was labled as a scrambler.

 

[Vinny]

I still don't see any Carr hatred or Carr bashing here. I see some rather intelligent insight and some homer posts, but I don't see any hatred. We talk a heck of a lot worse about some of our other players.

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

C'mon Vinny, don't you know all of life is either black or white, zero on a test or 100? Either Carr is perfect or he is a bust. Either DD sucks or he is LT. We need to issue all of society the old MacPlus computers so they can remember there are shades of grey.

Thank you. Too bad for me my wife don't read these MB's!!!!!!!!

 

[GrandPa]

The thing is, I dont see how anyone can bash Carr seeing what he has to work with. Yes, he does have AJ to throw 2, but he doesnt have a good #2. He also has a horrible pass protection. He has all the tools to become a great QB, but until we get him a solid #2 WR and decent pass protection we can never see his true potential. I dont think we can/should judge him until he has better talent around him.

The cream rises to the top or at least shows the potential to be that special player.

David Carr has done neither and will never be an elite NFL quarterback.

If he does not show great improvement this year then is it time to accept the fact that he will never get the Texans further than maybe a first round playoff loss.

 

[TEXANRED]

The cream rises to the top or at least shows the potential to be that special player.

David Carr has done neither and will never be an elite NFL quarterback.

If he does not show great improvement this year then is it time to accept the fact that he will never get the Texans further than maybe a first round playoff loss.

BASHING

 

[Vinny]

This is a football message board. This is what happens (different people will have different opinions). We talk so badly about everyone else's game....Why don't I see you all upset about that? All the players are equal as humans.

 

[JamesLovesGames]

It's going to be an interesting year. Carr's got alot to prove.

 

[titan hater]

Ok, we're all stupid.

Yay Texans! You're the best! Carr is a Hall of Famer. 16-0 baby!

Is that better?

Why reject legitmate and constructive criticism from people who have watched football closely for dozens of years? Granted most of us have only played through high school or a few years of college ball, but to say that fans can't have an educated opinion about the game just because they haven't played at the highest level is ridiculous. Some of us have been watching football closely since the 60's and I think it's a bit presumptuous to basically tell fans they don't know what they are talking about unless they have played or coached.

Thank You Howard "I never played the Game" Cosell...

 

[Davis37]

The cream rises to the top or at least shows the potential to be that special player.

David Carr has done neither and will never be an elite NFL quarterback.

If he does not show great improvement this year then is it time to accept the fact that he will never get the Texans further than maybe a first round playoff loss.

now thats true bashing... Im not even gonna try to dispute this, cause its apparent he is just a Carr hater. Just one thing, watch the Texans vs Vikes game from last year. That will show you some of Carrs potential.

 

[TEXANRED]

This is a football message board. This is what happens (different people will have different opinions). We talk so badly about everyone else's game....Why don't I see you all upset about that? All the players are equal as humans.

Fine lets talk about other peoples game.
I like DD. He is a hard tough runner that bears down and scraps out for every yard he gets. Thats why he has had back to back 1000 yard seasons without ever playing a full season. I like David Carr, I like gaffney I believe that he is a slightly above average player with decenst hands and speed, God help me i even like Bradford, throw him the ball on a slant and watch him run 80 yard for a TD.(and yes i know its the only time he can catch the ball) i like Chester Pitts and as bad as he played the first year the second year at tackle was like night and day. He is another player that beared down consintrated and work hard and you never hear him complain. I dont have an opinion on our current LT cause this is his second(if he starts in that position)year at LT and this might be a drastic improvement as well. I even like, are ya ready for it, Mckinney, there ya go, i said it, i feel Wands rough first year at tackle and Pitts helping Wand left Mckinney on an island.

I am a fan, a homer. I am such a homer that my first child is due during the Texans Bye week. My wife accuses me of planning it that way so i wont have to miss a game. (as long as she comes on time watch her be late).but i am supposed to be a homer. Thats why we have the Texans.

I am two things, a born bred Texan, and a Texan fan. Talk bad about either and you get an ear full.

But I guess that what message boards are for.

and proud!

 

[GrandPa]

now thats true bashing... Im not even gonna try to dispute this, cause its apparent he is just a Carr hater. Just one thing, watch the Texans vs Vikes game from last year. That will show you some of Carrs potential.

Carr threw for 16 TDs and 14 INTs in 2004. He has yet to show any big game ability. Yes he was able to put together a 372 yard, 3 TD game against a defensively poor Vikings, and two additional 2 TD games, but outside of that, he didn't throw more than one TD in a game. DC has shown great toughness during his brief NFL career. What he hasn’t shown is an ability to get the ball in the endzone on a consistent basis.

 

[bigtex77]

What he hasn’t shown is an ability to get the ball in the endzone on a consistent basis.

He has yet to show any big game ability.

It's tough to when you're eating turf. If they protect him this year all of the haters will be silenced. Well, after they finish their "I'ts about time he did something" rants.