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Football Gameplan's 2012 Texans vs Dolphins

Rey said:
I think maybe he shouldve picked a better category to express his political correctness as the rb's are not even close.

It'd be like comparing Stephen hill to Andre Johnson and saying the wr position is a wash because hill is big, strong and fast and the talent is there.

Nevermind that he hasn't actually done anything.

Jmo, but when you're an analyst I think you should stick to the facts and it's s proven fact that the texans backfield trumps the dlolphins.

It'd be completely different if in his commentary he says something like:

"the texans obviously have the more accomplished backfield and they get the edge here, but I like the combination of bush and Thomas. Bush turned it on last year and had his best season as a pro. With a rookie qb and a new head coach that will be more dedicated to feeding his backs I think bush is ready to take the next step in his career and begin to legitimize himself as a featured back in this league. The talent is definitely there and bush's explosiveness could prove dangerous for defenses if he's finally put it together. This is a match up to watch and observe"

THAT would have made more sense to me. But to say the rb position is a wash at this point just sounds ridiculous. I think he hash a bush crush because the logic he uses is that bush and Thomas would equal foster and Tate in our system...:umm: That doesn't make any sense even if we go with the assumption that it's true.

They aren't going to be running in our system. They are going to be running in theirs. Seems like a strange arguing point to me.
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The entire "system" argument can be shot down by naming off every back the Texans have had prior to Arian Foster. Slaton, Brown, Moats, Dayne, Green, Gado, Adminchinobe. The argument pretty much falls apart when people realize you actually still have to have a decent back in the system in order to produce a top of the line NFL rushing attack.
 
Rey said:
And you keep saying you feel bush has exceptional talent. I won't argue with you on that.
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I'm going to argue with that.
Rey said:
I think a lot of players in the NFL have exceptional talent.
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Agree with that. You don't get to the NFL without talent. Jacoby Jones is one talented mopho
Rey said:
Jmo, but bush is not as good as foster...
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I think we're way past opinion on this.... 6 years for Bush, 3 years for Foster. Your head is buried deep in the sand if you still think it's an opinion issue.
Rey said:
Ahmad Bradshaw is a better rb than Reggie bush. Frank gore, McFadden, Charles, mojo, unmotivated Chris Johnson...
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Heck, just look at the Saints if he's going to say it's a system thing. Darren Sproles (who is what Reggie Bush was supposed to be when they drafted him) gained 1300 yards from scrimmage & 7 TDs. Bush's first season he got 1200 yards & 2 TDs.... that was his best season as a Saint & the other 4 were no where close.

Pierre Thomas, different kind of back, but you're not going to get the Saints to trade him for a 6th round swap, because he produces in that system.

Chris Ivory... the Saints would rather have Chris Ivory instead of Reggie Bush on their roster & he looks productive at times.

Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Chris Ivory.... they ain't Arian Foster & they produced much better in the system Reggie Bush didn't. Put Arian Foster on the Saints & I guarantee you he will blow Reggie's best numbers out of the water in less than 10 games.

Guaranteed!!!

:texan:
 
Fiddler said:
Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Chris Ivory.... they ain't Arian Foster & they produced much better in the system Reggie Bush didn't. Put Arian Foster on the Saints & I guarantee you he will blow Reggie's best numbers out of the water in less than 10 games.

Guaranteed!!!

:texan:
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Let's be fair now, the Saints are ALWAYS stacked at RB, and Bush never really got a chance to be a prime time back, I think this year he'll get that chance.
 
EmDiggy said:
I'm sorry, you can't honestly say that Talent-wise Miami isn't equal to the Texans RBs. You're also undervaluing what they drafted in Lamar Miller, who is better than Forsett. Bush in the Texans Off would put up similar numbers as Foster, Foster in the Dolphins Off would put up similar numbers as Bush. Bush is more explosive than Foster, but Foster is more powerful.

Its a wash honestly and unbiasedly
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:rolleyes: um yeah I can honestly say that the Dolphins RBs aren't near as talented as the Texans.. any other NFL fan in the league would say that. Hell I bet the majority of Dolphin fans don't even believe their backs are as talented as ours. This "football expert" is the same guy who said the Colts had a more talented backfield a year ago.. he simply doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to the RB position.
 
silvrhand said:
Let's be fair now, the Saints are ALWAYS stacked at RB, and Bush never really got a chance to be a prime time back.
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It wasn't because of a lack of giving him chances.. they had to go to a committee, because of how awful Bush was and how many times he failed running up the middle. Speed doesn't mean crap when you lack the vision and insticts. Who was more explosive, Hollings or DD?
 
silvrhand said:
Let's be fair now, the Saints are ALWAYS stacked at RB, and Bush never really got a chance to be a prime time back, I think this year he'll get that chance.
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He didn't have to. If he would have produced like Sproles did, in the same situation, they never would have got rid of him. They'd have been happy with that production, I'd have been happy with that production.

You wouldn't have the "decoy" arguments the Saints fans used for him for years. Sproles isn't a "decoy" he's an offensive weapon. He is someone you have to gameplan for.


OT...... FYI, EMDiggy posted this yesterday on Phins.com
Thanks Gang! I guess the big debate I started with Texans fans is btw the RB comment of it being a "push".. I truly believe Talent-wise its the same. Some people can't separate numbers from their argument, when numbers ALWAYS lie...
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He hasn't gotten any real responses yet.
 
Thorn said:
Does EmDiggy post his productions on both teams sites? LOL
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He does, my new thing for this year is to spend the week before each game hanging out at the opponents board, this week it is thephins.com. Nice enough members, horrible layout.

Anywho, I asked them what they thought, opinions vary. Some feel our 1-2 punch is better but there 1-3 is superior, others feel it is our OL and system that makes the difference.

They seem pretty happy with what they have and consider it the strongest part of their team.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
He does, my new thing for this year is to spend the week before each game hanging out at the opponents board, this week it is thephins.com. Nice enough members, horrible layout.

Anywho, I asked them what they thought, opinions vary. Some feel our 1-2 punch is better but there 1-3 is superior, others feel it is our OL and system that makes the difference.

They seem pretty happy with what they have and consider it the strongest part of their team.
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Cool, thanks for checking that out. As to the Dolphin fans, hey, if they are happy with their team, good for them. :)
 
kiwitexansfan said:
He does, my new thing for this year is to spend the week before each game hanging out at the opponents board, this week it is thephins.com. Nice enough members, horrible layout.

Anywho, I asked them what they thought, opinions vary. Some feel our 1-2 punch is better but there 1-3 is superior, others feel it is our OL and system that makes the difference.

They seem pretty happy with what they have and consider it the strongest part of their team.
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www.finheaven.com forums has a lot of posters.
 
That board seems like it would be just as awful to look at as thephins.

Let me just express how grateful I am that this board is run the way it is with all the limits and restrictions it has on content of signatures and avatars etc.

This board is by far the easiest to read message board I have visited.

THANK YOU
 
kiwitexansfan said:
That board seems like it would be just as awful to look at as thephins.

Let me just express how grateful I am that this board is run the way it is with all the limits and restrictions it has on content of signatures and avatars etc.

This board is by far the easiest to read message board I have visited.

THANK YOU
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Let me second that. This board is easy to look at and spend time on. There are just way to many BBS's that are just HORRID to the eyes.
 
EmDiggy said:
I'm sorry, you can't honestly say that Talent-wise Miami isn't equal to the Texans RBs. You're also undervaluing what they drafted in Lamar Miller, who is better than Forsett. Bush in the Texans Off would put up similar numbers as Foster, Foster in the Dolphins Off would put up similar numbers as Bush. Bush is more explosive than Foster, but Foster is more powerful.

Its a wash honestly and unbiasedly
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Not true. So totally not true. There aren't to many RB's Tate would back up in the NFL. Thomas would have a hard time sticking to this roster. Wouldn't sell Forsett short either. In no way shape or form can you honestly believe that the RB talent is remotely "even".
 
EmDiggy said:
I'm sorry, you can't honestly say that Talent-wise Miami isn't equal to the Texans RBs. You're also undervaluing what they drafted in Lamar Miller, who is better than Forsett. Bush in the Texans Off would put up similar numbers as Foster, Foster in the Dolphins Off would put up similar numbers as Bush. Bush is more explosive than Foster, but Foster is more powerful.

Its a wash honestly and unbiasedly
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So YOU say Bush would put up similar numbers, but then say numbers ALWAYS lie. Can't have it both ways there Digster.

And that's your 2nd wrong statement in all of this. Numbers don't lie. They don't always tell the whole story, but they don't ALWAYS lie.

If you are trying to make a name for yourself as an analyst, you're losing a lot of credibility with your line of thinking on this. It may be your opinion but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
 
"Numbers always lie" is a coward's way out. Just a horrible catchphrase.

Wins and losses are numbers. The score is numbers.

To say that numbers always lie means that actual performance is irrelevant. And then it's all about "talent." And then it's "this guy is just as good as that guy because I say so."

I've lost all respect for EmDiggy over this. Not going to watch any more of his videos.
 
EmDiggy said:
I'm sorry, you can't honestly say that Talent-wise Miami isn't equal to the Texans RBs. You're also undervaluing what they drafted in Lamar Miller, who is better than Forsett. Bush in the Texans Off would put up similar numbers as Foster, Foster in the Dolphins Off would put up similar numbers as Bush. Bush is more explosive than Foster, but Foster is more powerful.

Its a wash honestly and unbiasedly
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Wow, I've wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt since early last season, but never really found anything solid to hang onto in your previews. Now, however, I don't think I will ever be able to take any of your analysis seriously.
No offense, I'm not trying to insult you or anything, but your assessment is off by several degrees of magnitude.
 
BigBull17 said:
Because he couldn't win the job...
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And my guess is that Reggie Bush only got 1000+ yards with the phins because they have nothing else going for them offensively. In a good offense like the Saints, Reggie Bush is irrelevant. When you have nothing else, Reggie Bush will get 1000+.
 
Too many of my fellow Texan comrades are focusing on a match-up comparison that while critical to both teams success if far from the only areas in which to focus ones attention. The key components of each teams game plan, should be discussed as a whole which EmDiggy delivers poignantly.

Texan defense must stay diciplined & not too aggressive, let rookie QB Tannehill expose himself. Texans need to play smart, stay loose but not over confident. Ryan can stretch plays with his athleticism/legs (will be fun to watch) buy time & as Diggy suggested his TE set could cause problems as we know one weakness of this Texan defense r linebackers in coverage. Brooks is questionable with a hip, so Merciuls may get his first start, if so expect Miami to attack him in run plays & delayed pitches & screens taking him out of position as he blows into the backfield. While the check marks do look promising the Dolphin Texan games have always been close & competitive. I'll also be watching Schaubs pass pro off the right side, hope Newton & Caldwell are ready for some Cameron Wakefiled @ blitz packages using Karlos Dansby & Kevin Burnett. :texflag:
 
Our key to success in this game is force the offense onto Tannehill. If you shutdown the run early and force the phins to play from behind you are putting them in a weak position. Until Tannehill can show he's a good passer (he never did at A&M imo) they will run the offense from the ground. And that's not sustainable if you are playing from behind.
 
Gots to give EmDiggy his props. Reggie Bush is one talented Mofo.



Too bad he's too small to take the beating. :kitten:
 
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