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Five steps the team must take in the 2020 offseason

TexansSeminole

Hall of Fame
Assuming OB remains as the HC, Romeo remains DC, and Tim Kelly remains as OC, AND we go with a round table GM situation as has been described, my game plan would be:

1. Replace the OL coach. This coach has had 5 years to improve the position group. In that span, he coached Brandon Brooks and was part of the staff that allowed him to escape after his rookie deal. He's been part of the team that has overseen multiple FA OL signings and current player extensions, the vast majority of which have been poor decisions. Getting a new approach at OL would do wonders for this team. If we are going to keep this same offensive scheme, we are in much better shape if we can get some average to above average OL play.

I imagine we won't see any staff changes, if I understand OB like I think I do, so I will leave staff decisions to just this one, but I would love to see them take a open approach to upgrading any number of assistant coaching positions.

In addition, I am cutting Zach Fulton and freeing up money there. I would go very strongly at Scherff and hope to pry him from the Redskins. I would look hard at any potential upgrade at any of the positions along the line, except obviously LT. We still need alot of help here, so I would also draft a late round OL to add competition.

2. Re-sign Watson and Reader. Self-explanatory, both are no-brainer re-signs.

3. Upgrade CB. Let Joseph walk and give him alot of love. He should be looked at as a ex-player staff position type of guy ala Andre, Cushing, Weaver etc. I don't think any of the top CB FAs are going to slip away from their teams, so I would explore re-signing Roby to another short term contract. He was injured this year and didn't show enough to warrant alot of demand from other teams, so I think he would be open to this idea. It's no perfect solution, but unless we get lucky in FA, it's prudent. I'd also look at signing Ronald Darby to a similar style of contract, albeit for much less money. He's got alot of talent, but has struggled in Philadelphia with both his play and staying healthy. We could probably get him for cheap. We need to draft a corner that we expect can atleast see the field right away, which probably means it will need to be one of our higher picks.

4. Upgrade RB. Given how reliant we are on our run game working, as the commitment to it appears to be the intended identity of the offense, we need better and frankly more athletes at this position. I let Lamar Miller walk and look over the FAs available. Assuming both Derrick Henry and Kenyan Drake are re-signed by their respective teams, Kareem Hunt would be my #1 target, but I am not sure the Texans will value him as highly as other teams given his past. Melvin Gordon is my #2 target, but I am not paying him crazy high money and he may not get offered all that high given the Le'veon Bell situation and result for the Jets. My #3 target is Jordan Howard as I think he is an upgrade over Hyde. I would explore Howard pretty strongly and consider if paying him more than we would probably pay Hyde in a re-signing is worth it. If not, I re-sign Hyde to a team-friendly deal given his age.

Regardless of the result of our FA endeavors here, I am drafting a RB with one of our higher picks, eyeing speed and pass catching ability particularly. Duke is a great pass catcher, so it is no surprise that having him on the field opens our offense up in alot of sets, but I also think it fits our QB. I think with Watson and the style of offense, having this type of player available on game day is vital. We need to protect ourselves if Duke goes down, and we just need more athleticism at the position.

5. Draft front 7 and pass rush. We should probably look at extending Cunningham, as he may get more expensive next year. Cole is likely gone after the significant injury. Dunn may also be gone, depending on his FA situation. We need to upgrade OLB opposite Mercilus and prepare for the replacement of JJ Watt. I would draft multiple players in the front 7, one being an OLB, and the remainder depending on what talent is available to us in each round.
 
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DocBar

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my post had to do with adding a better RB to our offense, and I made the comment “imagine what our offense could be with a back like Foster and Watson”. The clear intent was about improving the RB position.
a post about improving the RB position.

And FYI, the only guy I have blocked on here posts negative crap about OB constantly. I don’t need to read the same things over and over. I’m not going to block SB because I enjoy most of his options, we just disagree on the potential of Watson. I know he has deficiencies, and I no needs to improve on things. What I don’t need is to read about it in every thread.

I also called him out because he responded to me, if others had responded to me with the stuff you’re talking about I’d call them out too.
The running game is going to suck as long as Devlin is coaching the OL and OB is running his offense. Jim Brown and Tom Brady (in their prime) wouldn't be SB contenders with those 2 bozo's coaching the team.
I would love to see Watson in a ZBS WC system. I think that system would maximize Watson's strengths and playmaking on busted plays.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
The Texans do not have a good secondary, contrary to some may think.

The opponents just didn't feel the need since they can run on the Texans just as well.

Look at the second half games.
They gave up more than 400 yards except for 2 games:

1. The game against the Colts, a close game, so the opponent chose to run 39 times vs 25 pass attempts (they gained 175 yards on the ground and controlled the ball for over 33 minutes).

2. 391 yards when the Broncos can score easily with a rookie QB that still threw for 301 yards.

Roby is more of an athlete than a football players.
I had surmised before the season that the opponents will run all over the Texans D, and they did.
The CBs are weak at containing the outside (poor tackling also); the opponents know they can exploit it.
 

otisbean

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Assuming OB remains as the HC, Romeo remains DC, and Tim Kelly remains as OC, AND we go with a round table GM situation as has been described, my game plan would be:

1. Replace the OL coach. This coach has had 5 years to improve the position group. In that span, he coached Brandon Brooks and was part of the staff that allowed him to escape after his rookie deal. He's been part of the team that has overseen multiple FA OL signings and current player extensions, the vast majority of which have been poor decisions. Getting a new approach at OL would do wonders for this team. If we are going to keep this same offensive scheme, we are in much better shape if we can get some average to above average OL play.

I imagine we won't see any staff changes, if I understand OB like I think I do, so I will leave staff decisions to just this one, but I would love to see them take a open approach to upgrading any number of assistant coaching positions.

In addition, I am cutting Zach Fulton and freeing up money there. I would go very strongly at Scherff and hope to pry him from the Redskins. I would look hard at any potential upgrade at any of the positions along the line, except obviously LT. We still need alot of help here, so I would also draft a late round OL to add competition.

2. Re-sign Watson and Reader. Self-explanatory, both are no-brainer re-signs.

3. Upgrade CB. Let Joseph walk and give him alot of love. He should be looked at as a ex-player staff position type of guy ala Andre, Cushing, Weaver etc. I don't think any of the top CB FAs are going to slip away from their teams, so I would explore re-signing Roby to another short term contract. He was injured this year and didn't show enough to warrant alot of demand from other teams, so I think he would be open to this idea. It's no perfect solution, but unless we get lucky in FA, it's prudent. I'd also look at signing Ronald Darby to a similar style of contract, albeit for much less money. He's got alot of talent, but has struggled in Philadelphia with both his play and staying healthy. We could probably get him for cheap. We need to draft a corner that we expect can atleast see the field right away, which probably means it will need to be one of our higher picks.

4. Upgrade RB. Given how reliant we are on our run game working, as the commitment to it appears to be the intended identity of the offense, we need better and frankly more athletes at this position. I let Lamar Miller walk and look over the FAs available. Assuming both Derrick Henry and Kenyan Drake are re-signed by their respective teams, Kareem Hunt would be my #1 target, but I am not sure the Texans will value him as highly as other teams given his past. Melvin Gordon is my #2 target, but I am not paying him crazy high money and he may not get offered all that high given the Le'veon Bell situation and result for the Jets. My #3 target is Jordan Howard as I think he is an upgrade over Hyde. I would explore Howard pretty strongly and consider if paying him more than we would probably pay Hyde in a re-signing is worth it. If not, I re-sign Hyde to a team-friendly deal given his age.

Regardless of the result of our FA endeavors here, I am drafting a RB with one of our higher picks, eyeing speed and pass catching ability particularly. Duke is a great pass catcher, so it is no surprise that having him on the field opens our offense up in alot of sets, but I also think it fits our QB. I think with Watson and the style of offense, having this type of player available on game day is vital. We need to protect ourselves if Duke goes down, and we just need more athleticism at the position.

5. Draft front 7 and pass rush. We should probably look at extending Cunningham, as he may get more expensive next year. Cole is likely gone after the significant injury. Dunn may also be gone, depending on his FA situation. We need to upgrade OLB opposite Mercilus and prepare for the replacement of JJ Watt. I would draft multiple players in the front 7, one being an OLB, and the remainder depending on what talent is available to us in each round.
the guys on 610 (Payne and Pendergast) made it sound like re signing Reader wasn’t necessarily a ford gone conclusion as Blackson and Dunn can give you similar production for less money. They were speculating OB might use the money to add a pass rusher. I though it was an interesting idea. We clearly need to upgrade our pass rush and I’d really like to see an inside rusher.
 

steelbtexan

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the guys on 610 (Payne and Pendergast) made it sound like re signing Reader wasn’t necessarily a ford gone conclusion as Blackson and Dunn can give you similar production for less money. They were speculating OB might use the money to add a pass rusher. I though it was an interesting idea. We clearly need to upgrade our pass rush and I’d really like to see an inside rusher.
If they let Reader walk they should use that $$$$ on the pass rusher from the Jags (Dont know how to spell his name) then sign Byron Jones and re-sign Roby.

Draft Bravion Roy in the 3rd rd.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
The Texans do not have a good secondary, contrary to some may think.

The opponents just didn't feel the need since they can run on the Texans just as well.

Look at the second half games.
They gave up more than 400 yards except for 2 games:

1. The game against the Colts, a close game, so the opponent chose to run 39 times vs 25 pass attempts (they gained 175 yards on the ground and controlled the ball for over 33 minutes).

2. 391 yards when the Broncos can score easily with a rookie QB that still threw for 301 yards.

Roby is more of an athlete than a football players.
I had surmised before the season that the opponents will run all over the Texans D, and they did.
The CBs are weak at containing the outside (poor tackling also); the opponents know they can exploit it.
Of the cornerbacks starting only Conley should be back.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
I would bring back Roby/Conley and sign Byron Jones in FA. Roby is a pretty good slot CB.
I just cannot get excited about Roby although I had hoped he would be the answer when we got him . if I'm going to spend money he will probably get elsewhere I want better than a 69 percent ranking PFF.
 

steelbtexan

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I just cannot get excited about Roby although I had hoped he would be the answer when we got him . if I'm going to spend money he will probably get elsewhere I want better than a 69 percent ranking PFF.
Price would be the key.

He looked above avg before he got hurt.

What was his PFF ranking playing the slot?
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Of the cornerbacks starting only Conley should be back.
I haven't zeroed in on Conley yet.
Except, I'm rewatching the Buffalo game right now.
Near the end of the half, Conley was beaten by no-name Duke Williams in the end zone, but he dropped the ball.
It wasn't a great throw by Allen either.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
I would bring back Roby/Conley and sign Byron Jones in FA. Roby is a pretty good slot CB.
NO to Robby.
He didn't have a fixed position under RC.
Very poor first half against the Bills.
He broke up a pass against a TE that flexed to the outside for a 5-yd curl route in the flat.
The ball needs to come out as the TE turns around, and to the outside.
Allen made a poor throw to the inside, and late.
Other than that, Roby gave up every pass and failed to contain the runner on several plays.
He also got lucky when Brown barely stepped out of bound on a catch near the goal line.
 

Uncle Rico

Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
when you said no to KJAX you said no to great run defense, elite tackling and slot corner play. When you said no to Clowney you gave away the ability to control half of the field and disrupt the offensive backfield.

These replacements and reclamation projects may cost RAC his job, and you might have been able to scheme some winning games like he showed a few times, but ultimately you are who you are and these guys (Roby, Conley, Hargreaves) are just stopgaps. None of them can tackle, and Roby showed that he is sketchy at best in a win or die game. (TWO gimme INTs dropped - one that could have won the game) he offers speed and little else. Lonnie Johnson gets another year to hopefully show some progress because there is no way but up for him.

I find it sad how guys attach themselves to marginal players hoping that one day they live up to their draft slot.

if they dont revamp the majority of the backend the results will be close to the same next year. On top of that you need to find some EDGE help and better coverage LBs. Its bad on defense. the same way OBrien mortgaged it all for the offense last year, he may as well do the same for the defense next year and THEN we will have an ALL IN year! LOL.
 

FuzzyLogic

Mathematically Possible
If they let Reader walk they should use that $$$$ on the pass rusher from the Jags (Dont know how to spell his name) then sign Byron Jones and re-sign Roby.

Draft Bravion Roy in the 3rd rd.
It's a mouthful - Yannick Ngakoue this would be a good guy to go after... Might be more reasonable since he had a 'down' year

"Ngakoue's eight sacks and 50 total pressures in 2019, according to Pro Football Focus, were his lowest marks since his rookie season, which is incredible production for a down year."
 

RGV82

Random guy
I agree, he should be a strong target.
I like Ekeler too. Would love him to be here. Not sure he is a 3 down back.... what are you guys thinking? Release Duke and re-sign Hyde? Or sign Ekeler, get rid of both Duke and Hyde and draft a new RB?
 

eriadoc

Texan-American
I like Ekeler too. Would love him to be here. Not sure he is a 3 down back.... what are you guys thinking? Release Duke and re-sign Hyde? Or sign Ekeler, get rid of both Duke and Hyde and draft a new RB?
Ekeler was owning teams when Gordon was holding out. He had no issues being an every down back. When Gordon returned, Ekeler had played himself into a role, despite all the capital invested in Gordon. Ekeler is a great fit to play with a QB like Watson. He averaged over 4 YPC, performed well as an every down back, and ended up snagging 92 receptions. He showed he can be an every down back, but with at least one of Hyde and Duke Johnson, he doesn't need to be one in Houston. More importantly, he can be an ANY down back. When he's in the game, the defense doesn't know if he's rushing, blocking, or receiving. Plus, his receptions came as both checkdowns and designed routes. And if you watched him play at all, he's got a little swerve to his running style that reminds me of Arian Foster.

I think he has a bright future ahead of him and I'd like to see that future happen here.
 

RGV82

Random guy
Ekeler was owning teams when Gordon was holding out. He had no issues being an every down back. When Gordon returned, Ekeler had played himself into a role, despite all the capital invested in Gordon. Ekeler is a great fit to play with a QB like Watson. He averaged over 4 YPC, performed well as an every down back, and ended up snagging 92 receptions. He showed he can be an every down back, but with at least one of Hyde and Duke Johnson, he doesn't need to be one in Houston. More importantly, he can be an ANY down back. When he's in the game, the defense doesn't know if he's rushing, blocking, or receiving. Plus, his receptions came as both checkdowns and designed routes. And if you watched him play at all, he's got a little swerve to his running style that reminds me of Arian Foster.

I think he has a bright future ahead of him and I'd like to see that future happen here.
Yeah he was great for a few games. He wouldn’t hold up as an every down back for entire seasons at a time.
 

eriadoc

Texan-American
Yeah he was great for a few games. He wouldn’t hold up as an every down back for entire seasons at a time.
He held up the entire season this year with no problem. I'm not saying dump 300 carries on the guy. In fact, that'd just be mismanagement. I'm saying as a platoon mate with one or both of Hyde/Johnson, he'd be electric on any given down. He's not a 3rd down specialist. He had 132 carries and 92 catches this year. That's 224 touches. Hyde had 255.
 

RGV82

Random guy
He held up the entire season this year with no problem. I'm not saying dump 300 carries on the guy. In fact, that'd just be mismanagement. I'm saying as a platoon mate with one or both of Hyde/Johnson, he'd be electric on any given down. He's not a 3rd down specialist. He had 132 carries and 92 catches this year. That's 224 touches. Hyde had 255.
I see him as a rich man’s Duke Johnson or Dion Lewis. Definitely more talented and valuable than those 2, but not someone I would want to be the center of my offense.
 

IDEXAN

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the guys on 610 (Payne and Pendergast) made it sound like re signing Reader wasn’t necessarily a ford gone conclusion as Blackson and Dunn can give you similar production for less money. They were speculating OB might use the money to add a pass rusher. I though it was an interesting idea. We clearly need to upgrade our pass rush and I’d really like to see an inside rusher.
Really because I thought Reader was rated as our best Dlineman, with Cunningham our best LB, and Conley as probably our best CB o atleeast the most upside, while Reid is clearly the top safety ?
If I'm wrong tell me who you would have at those positions on the D ?
 

eriadoc

Texan-American
I see him as a rich man’s Duke Johnson or Dion Lewis. Definitely more talented and valuable than those 2, but not someone I would want to be the center of my offense.
Well, no one said that. The center of the offense is and always will be Deshaun Watson. The Texans don't have a bell cow back, nor do most teams in the NFL anymore.
 

RGV82

Random guy
Well, no one said that. The center of the offense is and always will be Deshaun Watson. The Texans don't have a bell cow back, nor do most teams in the NFL anymore.
I guess I overstated my point. My point was that I wouldn’t want Ekeler being our 3 down back. I’m happy having either Hyde and a draft pick or Duke and a draft pick. Unless we go for Etienne in round 2.
 
“Stacks more talent”? wtf are you talking about? You live in a complete dreamworld junior. The KC game should’ve clue’d you in a little on the Texans lack of talent.

And a guy like Watson, who’s merely a decent to good NFL quarterback, isn’t capable of turning anyone like OBrien into a Hall Of Fame coach. So that scenario is nothing for you to worry about. OBrien will be gone no later than after the 2021 season.
I stopped reading after you said “decent qb”. Maybe our definitions are different but a decent qb doesn’t carry one of the worst coaches, defenses & offensive lines to the playoffs 2 consecutive seasons. A top 5 qb does that. The Texans should try to rebuild there defense this off season. Trade some valuable pieces (JJ) to move up and grab a lockdown corner.
 

HouTx11

Rookie
Can not argue with any of these - full article link below:

1. Get Secondary Help
2. Draft pass rushers
This is irrelevant and a waste of time until the Texans replace their current coaching staff first. Years have proven that the "10 yard cushion" strategies are ineffective against good teams.
 

powda

Baby can you dig your man?
I have a billion thoughts on the matter and deliberately cut myself short. Most posters wont read a novel so I cut it off on offensive scheme. Defense and coaching are worth more extensive posts...

Changes:

-Offensive scheme attack passing #1: We attack defenses vertically meaning we have to protect Watson longer. We haven't proven we can do that. Stop only attacking defenses vertically. Attack them horizontally. The indy stretch play and kubiak's boot offense are prime examples. Roll Watson out. Change the launch point. We couldn't find a much better qb to do it then what we have ,but we dont threaten defenses horizontally. Wtf not? Our passing attack should attack every dimension. And here's a tip, if you can get the defense running back and forth sideline to sideline, that vertical shot will land.

-offensive scheme attack passing #2: timing. I've seen every snap of this team since our franchise was born. I've seen every damn one under OB and maybe you've seen the plays posted for analysis in other threads. Our passing attack from a route standpoint always appears wrong. Multiple route progressions take to long downfield and they all seem to break at the same time. Every wr downfield should not be making his cut at the same time. There should be a clear quick, intermediate, late read in passing plays. That doesn't exist. I don't know if its purely scheme or route running. 1 step earlier by the quick route, 1 step later by the intermediate route makes Watson's read downfield so much easier. I have to wonder if this is the wr coaches fault? Tell me a cut 1 step earlier and 1 step later doesn't have a dramatic impact on spacing and Watson's reads. Watch the gd tape! There are exceptions ofcourse but the bulk is as described.

-Offensive scheme attack passing #3: where is the hot route against a blitz? I have no clue what system is in place by ob and apparently neither do the players. Either it doesn't exist or the players don't know how to execute it. Fix this bs. Mediocre offenses fear the blitz. Great offenses feast on it.

-offensive scheme attack running: One thing on offense transcends bad weather late in the season. Only one thing on a goal line late in the game gives us hope. Only one thing in the post season gives us a chance to win...A power run game. Upgrade Fulton at Rg. We have to big an investment on the rest of the ol to look anywhere else. Get a monster power run blocking rg this offseason. Our guard, center, guard combination should be bobsledding mountains this offseason for their regimen. A guy like Derrick Henry emerges late in the season like this no matter how many fantasy football fans look for stats. Who was talking about Henry in October? Now he's the thing (like he was late the previous 2 years.) Tangents off this include finding a better back after contact and miserably predictable play calling. Either way, upgrade rg.
 
This is irrelevant and a waste of time until the Texans replace their current coaching staff first. Years have proven that the "10 yard cushion" strategies are ineffective against good teams.
when is the last time a team carried a trash coach to the sb?
 

KarlK

Waterboy
I stopped reading after you said “decent qb”. Maybe our definitions are different but a decent qb doesn’t carry one of the worst coaches, defenses & offensive lines to the playoffs 2 consecutive seasons. A top 5 qb does that. The Texans should try to rebuild there defense this off season. Trade some valuable pieces (JJ) to move up and grab a lockdown corner.


I’m sure the blatant contradiction in what you say is completely lost on you, you silly goose, but let me state it for the record:

You’re argument is completely, utterly, totally 100% shot when you boast that the Texans have been “stacking talent” for years. Yet you then say Watson has singlehandedly taken a roster so completely bereft of talent to the playoffs 2 seasons in a row now, that the only way he could do so is because he’s a top 5 qb.

He’s not a top 5 qb. He can’t hold Mahomes jock, in fact. Learn it, accept it, deal with this reality that everyone outside of your little bubble already knows.
 

otisbean

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Really because I thought Reader was rated as our best Dlineman, with Cunningham our best LB, and Conley as probably our best CB o atleeast the most upside, while Reid is clearly the top safety ?
If I'm wrong tell me who you would have at those positions on the D ?
Reader is the best interior DL we have. I think their point was he would get a hefty contract offer from another team and Reader at 10-12 million per year might not give you enough of an upgrade over Blackson at 4 million per year just justify the difference in salary. They were suggesting that money might be better spent on a DT that provides more of a pass rush.

I agree with your assessment of the other players for the most part
 

Number19

Hall of Fame
Any list of Texans "Things to do in the off season" is incomplete without the item listing OB's removal.
No, you are wrong. A thread devoted to "things to do" should be limited to those things which are feasible. OB is not leaving, so talk of his removal should be kept to it own thread so as not to distract from the more serious discussion of those things which might actually upgrade the team and which might get done.
 

JB

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No, you are wrong. A thread devoted to "things to do" should be limited to those things which are feasible. OB is not leaving, so talk of his removal should be kept to it own thread so as not to distract from the more serious discussion of those things which might actually upgrade the team and which might get done.
A new Texans Talk? Threads that stick to the named topic? No meandering or dreaming? No turning every thread into a fantasy wishlist? Is this becoming the old forum ran by the Texans?
 
I stopped reading after you said “decent qb”. Maybe our definitions are different but a decent qb doesn’t carry one of the worst coaches, defenses & offensive lines to the playoffs 2 consecutive seasons. A top 5 qb does that. The Texans should try to rebuild there defense this off season. Trade some valuable pieces (JJ) to move up and grab a lockdown corner.
BoB was making to the playoffs long before Watson got here and getting smacked there just like while Watson was here. Hell he even made it past the wildcard with Osweiler. I do think Watson is a good QB but getting to the playoffs is nothing new for the Texans. Getting to the AFCC now that would be something new.
 

IDEXAN

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Reader is the best interior DL we have. I think their point was he would get a hefty contract offer from another team and Reader at 10-12 million per year might not give you enough of an upgrade over Blackson at 4 million per year just justify the difference in salary.
Ok right I see what you mean.
 

RGV82

Random guy
BoB was making to the playoffs long before Watson got here and getting smacked there just like while Watson was here. Hell he even made it past the wildcard with Osweiler. I do think Watson is a good QB but getting to the playoffs is nothing new for the Texans. Getting to the AFCC now that would be something new.
HUGE difference though, is those years we had a good top 10 defense. This year we do not.
 
HUGE difference though, is those years we had a good top 10 defense. This year we do not.
No we had a paper tiger defense that rarely made the key stops that were needed. I will admit we played in a much weaker division than what the current AFCS is but even so we never had the kind of defense that wins games. If you want proof go look how how every time that suppose top 10 defense played any decent QB if the line could slow JJ down for a couple of seconds to get the ball out they moved up and down the field at will.

If any one player has been the biggest reason for the Texans success I’d say it’s Hop and given how the Texans paid him well before they had to and never even considered tagging him or even really negotiating him down I’d say they agree. That man makes bad QBs look good and good QBs look great.
 

RGV82

Random guy
No we had a paper tiger defense that rarely made the key stops that were needed. I will admit we played in a much weaker division than what the current AFCS is but even so we never had the kind of defense that wins games. If you want proof go look how how every time that suppose top 10 defense played any decent QB if the line could slow JJ down for a couple of seconds to get the ball out they moved up and down the field at will.

If any one player has been the biggest reason for the Texans success I’d say it’s Hop and given how the Texans paid him well before they had to and never even considered tagging him or even really negotiating him down I’d say they agree. That man makes bad QBs look good and good QBs look great.
So are you saying we would have finished 10-6 this year with Brock Osweiler instead of Watson?
 
So are you saying we would have finished 10-6 this year with Brock Osweiler instead of Watson?
I’m saying that so far we haven’t gotten any further with Watson than we had prior to Watson. Now I don’t think that totally on him, the one constant factor has been OB, but all this talk of Watson as a top 5 or generational QB he hasn’t done anything to prove it.
 

HouTx11

Rookie
when is the last time a team carried a trash coach to the sb?
[/QU10 yard cushion defensive schemes
Exactly my point. Some of us want for the Texans to reach the Super Bowl as soon as possible and quite frankly are tired of only getting as far as the divisional round. Some of us have seen enough of that during the Oiler years for crying out loud...
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
BoB was making to the playoffs long before Watson got here and getting smacked there just like while Watson was here. Hell he even made it past the wildcard with Osweiler.
The Texans played a broken down Raiders team that Derek Carr led to the playoffs when he was an MVP candidate. Carr got hurt right before the playoffs and the Texans played in what was a total gimme of a game. No one expected the Raiders to beat the Texans that week. The Texans had a pretty strong roster that season, but Ozweiller was totally incapable of executing the offense consistently. Him and O'Brien were a terrible pair just Hoyer, Mallet, and Fitzpatrick all had been prior to his turn.
 
The Texans played a broken down Raiders team that Derek Carr led to the playoffs when he was an MVP candidate. Carr got hurt right before the playoffs and the Texans played in what was a total gimme of a game. No one expected the Raiders to beat the Texans that week. The Texans had a pretty strong roster that season, but Ozweiller was totally incapable of executing the offense consistently. Him and O'Brien were a terrible pair just Hoyer, Mallet, and Fitzpatrick all had been prior to his turn.
Just like him and Watson are shaping up to be professional wise. Personal wise they seem to get along, not so between BoB and the Blunder of Oz. Of course if I was a HC and my high, high dollar QB told me he would rather be on the bench to learn I'd most likely blow my top to.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
Just like him and Watson are shaping up to be professional wise. Personal wise they seem to get along, not so between BoB and the Blunder of Oz. Of course if I was a HC and my high, high dollar QB told me he would rather be on the bench to learn I'd most likely blow my top to.
Watson has been nowhere near that group in comparison.

He's been way better.
 
Watson has been nowhere near that group in comparison.

He's been way better.
Oh I'm not questioning that but it stills seems that his and OBs styles do not mix. Really that makes since, OB has always shown he prefers big arm, sniper pocket passers and Watson is a duel threat. Its like oil and water, neither is wrong and that can both be in the same bucket but they will never mix right.
 

Texecutioner

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Oh I'm not questioning that but it stills seems that his and OBs styles do not mix. Really that makes since, OB has always shown he prefers big arm, sniper pocket passers and Watson is a duel threat. Its like oil and water, neither is wrong and that can both be in the same bucket but they will never mix right.
It has nothing to do with Watson's style. If anything you'd have to compliment their styles together because Watson had very good offensive numbers this season and last season for a 2nd and 3rd year QB. Most people realize that Watson's stats could be a hell of a lot better with a better offensive coach. They don't see him as the problem at all.
 

steelbtexan

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Reader is the best interior DL we have. I think their point was he would get a hefty contract offer from another team and Reader at 10-12 million per year might not give you enough of an upgrade over Blackson at 4 million per year just justify the difference in salary. They were suggesting that money might be better spent on a DT that provides more of a pass rush.

I agree with your assessment of the other players for the most part
I would sign Quinn for that money and draft a CB or S in the 2nd Rd. If Gladney falls to the middle of the 2nd I would trade up for him.
 


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