Malloy
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You're right, also the player returning the INT burns off valuable time on the clock.
My bad
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Fire Kubiak
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You're right, also the player returning the INT burns off valuable time on the clock.
My bad
spurstexanstros
Texans Rising
This post just went yard.
I think that Kubiak has earned another season because of the team improving each year since he has been here. He had to deal with the Capers crew and despite that the team improved. Mainly due to Charlie Casserly''s last draft (Mario, Demeco, Owen, Eric) Kubiak has installed a highly effective offense that is only getting better.
The call for coaching changes on a yearly basis doesnt surprise me from Houston fan. If they drove Rudy T out of town I guess no one in Houston professional sports is safe.
Kubiak is our guy...go get em kubes
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Polo
Guest
Barring a complete collapse, Kubiak will be here next yr. even if the team has a losing record....
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
HOW IS THE TEAM IMPROVING EACH YEAR!!! WE ARE 0-4!! HOW IS THAT IMPROVING??? we were 6-10 his first year and then we got 7 real wins last year and a gimme. wow 2 wins better...now this year we start out 0-4. you do realize that we would have to 9-3 the rest of the year to even match last year much less improve upon it. give me a freaking break guys. the coaching sucks....period. he is what he is....a 2nd rate cheap hire.
jesus kriminey...why do some fans have such a hard time with doing basic math. ZERO is the lowest number you can have. How could this be considered an improvement.
I understand that some of you think that Kubiak is the 2nd coming of Del Rio or Fisher or whatever, but WHAT HAS HE DONE TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE IN HIM!! he hasn't shown anything than the propensity to give up leads and/or the ability make sure his team is 10 to 21 points down before his teams even show up.
last year was not that great of a year. you guys act like it was some magical year. we beat no one of consequence and our 8th win was giftwrapped for us and everyone knows the Jags would have whooped our arse if they would have had anything to play for.
I appreciate the supporting the fans thing but I just don't see how anyone can say Kubiak is a good head coach with a straight face. is he good just because he coaches the Texans...we sure haven't seen anything else that would point him out as a good coach.
geez, sometimes the homering and blind faith around here is just nauseating.
KUBIAK MUST GO!!
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
IF the team has a losing record? umm, its pretty much a foregone conclusion....its just how bad of a losing record.
3-13 is my call with every win being against total crap teams (detroit, oakland, etc.)
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Polo
Guest
He's fielded the best team, IMHO, in franchise history...
Results (w's
) aren't there 4 games into the season, but I am happy with the direction we are headed...
Results (w's
) aren't there 4 games into the season, but I am happy with the direction we are headed...
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
He's fielded the best team, IMHO, in franchise history...
Results (w's
congratulations on being happy with 0-4 and heading for a 3-13 season. congrats indeed.
and results? screw results, how about not utter embarassments and complete failures...which is all we have had since Week One.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Are we having the best season in franchise history?: of cours not!
Are we fielding the best football team in franchise history?: of course we are.
Two entirely separate issues. Kubiak is responsible in large part for the quality of the team and also for the fact that the results are lacking... However, grade him on the '08 season's results after they've happened.
If you can't see how much better this team is playing football then you either don't really understand the game or are so frustrated that you are unable to see it, which is somewhat understandable.
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Polo
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Not sure why you are confusing patience with happiness...IMO, we are better and more talented than last yr...
Being patient with someone because you believe in them doesn't mean you are satisfied or happy with the results they are currently presenting...
I am happy with the direction of the team though...
I'm sorry you feel embarrased by something you have no control over...
My family and friends know I'm a huge Texan fan too...My brother is a huge Colts fan...They all call after the games and I take my fair share of ribbing...My Sunday was pretty much ruined after that loss...
I still don't feel embarrased though...
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
If our best team can only muster an 0-4 start after 7 years, it certainly does not speak well for anyone's arguement that is pro-Texans. Just saying......
A head coach gets a job. He goes to the office that the previous coach occupied to start setting up his office. He goes to the drawer and finds 4 letters. On the first it says, "open this one now". He does and the letter says, "welcome to your new job, open each envelope after each season" He chuckles and agrees to do it.
After his first season the team goes 6-4 he goes back to the desk where he opens the second letter. The letter says..."You had a bad year, Its ok, just blame the quarterback and fire him." He does so and everything is cool.
The Second season goes by and he is 8-8. He opens the third letter. "You showed improvement, but ya'll are still bad. Blame your assistant coaches, fire them and replace them now." He does and the press applauds his bold move.
The Third season the team just can't win a game. At the end of the season the coach goes to the desk. He opens the fourth letter and it reads.....
"Write 4 letters"
After his first season the team goes 6-4 he goes back to the desk where he opens the second letter. The letter says..."You had a bad year, Its ok, just blame the quarterback and fire him." He does so and everything is cool.
The Second season goes by and he is 8-8. He opens the third letter. "You showed improvement, but ya'll are still bad. Blame your assistant coaches, fire them and replace them now." He does and the press applauds his bold move.
The Third season the team just can't win a game. At the end of the season the coach goes to the desk. He opens the fourth letter and it reads.....
"Write 4 letters"
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I am all for optimism brutha and can see plenty of GoG development at the player and unit levels. Heck I carried the flag of optimism for many years around here.
We will find out a lot about this team this week. I do not want Kubiak fired, but I am worried should the game be close and him making decisions. This team will quit on him in my opinion.
Between his lack of in-game management skills, the OC being young and a hot head Assistant Head Coach it scares me for the sake of Kubiak's tenure here in Houston.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
My optimism and defense of Kubiak both assume this team won't quit on him. If they do, then I'll have some pink soap, and pretty quickly too.
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Polo
Guest
Pretty sure the same was being said about the Astro's poor start to the season...
Pro Astro arguments didn't look good at that time either....Just saying.....
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Polo
Guest
I've read enough of your post to not be surprised with the doom and gloom forecast...
Have you ever predicted anything positive about the Texans ?
We may very well be 3-13...Guess we will have to cross that bridge when we come to it though cuz we aren't there yet...
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
lolololol....so you think this 0-4 team is going to go 10-2 the rest of the way....wow dale murphy, i want some of what you are smoking because its gotta be some damn good stuff.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
cmon now. one season is 16 games the other is over a 150...totally different animals. you can have a bad start in MLB and overcome, in the NFL you just become irrelevant and go away.
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Polo
Guest
Astro's didn't just have a bad start...they almost mathmatically eliminated themselves...
I don't watch a WHOLE LOT of baseball, but I do know that the sports analyst had pretty much written the Astos off because they'd have to win some kind of crazy ratio of games...
I'm not saying the Texans are going to pull a miracle, but I do think that they can show marked improvement with 12 games left in the season...
cowbellm00
100% Houstonian
Not sure why you are confusing patience with happiness...IMO, we are better and more talented than last yr...
Being patient with someone because you believe in them doesn't mean you are satisfied or happy with the results they are currently presenting...
I am happy with the direction of the team though...
I'm sorry you feel embarrased by something you have no control over...
My family and friends know I'm a huge Texan fan too...My brother is a huge Colts fan...They all call after the games and I take my fair share of ribbing...My Sunday was pretty much ruined after that loss...
I still don't feel embarrased though...
wow, hey everyone, this guy gets it. be a fan now no matter what the record is. i was a fan when we were 2-14 too. true it sucked, but we (the fans ) don't control it, so why are you embarrased? just do your job and be a suportive fan.
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Polo
Guest
I'm not telling folks to be content with the loss...
Honestly I could really care less how the fans want to express themselves after we lose....Scream, cry, curse, slap your mother, perform an exorcism...Whatever floats your boat...
Just on here expressing my viewpoint that we aren't a terrible team and I think we have a pretty good coach...
Just my personal preference to not let a game make me feel embarrased...LOL@ that....
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
must spread rep!
Tailgate
Fall of Hame
I am as disheartened as anyone and I have asked myself why, why, why a million times. But it was the first time in NFL history a team has opened up on the road against 3 playoff teams. Not to mention 3 teams known for defense. Then Manning and the colts at home... who we have beaten all of once. I am not saying I am happy by any menas...but 0-4 was very realistic no matter how well we played or by how well we shot ourselves in the foot for that matter.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
Do you emotional "fans" understand how young this team is?
Most of our players are in their third year or less of NFL football.
This team has more coaches than any team in the division.
Our coaches are more instructional than "ra-rah."
Every position coach on this team is a professor of technique.
These "kids" need coaches like that. Most of Kubiaks draftees were
young "raw" athletic players. His coaching staff is teaching them TO BE
the player their respective position calls for.
Go have a coke and a smile, because once these Texans get experience,
they are gonna be good for a long while.
This team went from pathetic, to quitters, to young, to inconsistent, to
competitive, to dominant (during 3 1/2 quarters.) Now, we need them to
take the next step to "finishers."
Peyton Manning and the Colts did this very same thing to the Patriots
in the AFC title game a few years back. They know how to play the game
for the full 60 minutes. That's the thing the coaches have been preaching
to the players, and now they have seen the evidence of their coaches
demands with their own eyes. Go to Texans TV, and pull up the Jethro
Franklin interview. When asked what's the one thing he wants his young
players to get better at, he responds with only two words... "To Finish."
I do believe this team will bounce back, because Kubiak's "kids" have yet
to show ANY quit. That's the difference in the team before Kubiak got here
they are getting better bit by bit in EVERY game. Our three units need to
play well on the same Sunday, for us to get a win. Sunday's game against
the coach provided more "teachable moments" for our coaches, and I'm
confident the "kids" will understand the lesson this time.
Most fans won't get a word I've said here, and it really doesn't matter. Bob
McNair admires the Steelers organization for the reasons I've enumerated
in this post. As long as he understands the progress going on here, this
team will continue to improve.
So, let the rabid screaming begin...
Most of our players are in their third year or less of NFL football.
This team has more coaches than any team in the division.
Our coaches are more instructional than "ra-rah."
Every position coach on this team is a professor of technique.
These "kids" need coaches like that. Most of Kubiaks draftees were
young "raw" athletic players. His coaching staff is teaching them TO BE
the player their respective position calls for.
Go have a coke and a smile, because once these Texans get experience,
they are gonna be good for a long while.
This team went from pathetic, to quitters, to young, to inconsistent, to
competitive, to dominant (during 3 1/2 quarters.) Now, we need them to
take the next step to "finishers."
Peyton Manning and the Colts did this very same thing to the Patriots
in the AFC title game a few years back. They know how to play the game
for the full 60 minutes. That's the thing the coaches have been preaching
to the players, and now they have seen the evidence of their coaches
demands with their own eyes. Go to Texans TV, and pull up the Jethro
Franklin interview. When asked what's the one thing he wants his young
players to get better at, he responds with only two words... "To Finish."
I do believe this team will bounce back, because Kubiak's "kids" have yet
to show ANY quit. That's the difference in the team before Kubiak got here
they are getting better bit by bit in EVERY game. Our three units need to
play well on the same Sunday, for us to get a win. Sunday's game against
the coach provided more "teachable moments" for our coaches, and I'm
confident the "kids" will understand the lesson this time.
Most fans won't get a word I've said here, and it really doesn't matter. Bob
McNair admires the Steelers organization for the reasons I've enumerated
in this post. As long as he understands the progress going on here, this
team will continue to improve.
So, let the rabid screaming begin...
spurstexanstros
Texans Rising
Year isnt over yet, plus he deserves another season because of the schedule and Ike. This was the hardest opening schedule I have ever seen. # out of 4 on the road against playoff teams to start the season, then Ike happened.
The team , its players and fans had other things on their mind. The Texans then played first three games on the road and would have won the game against the colts because of one player..not a coach.
The Texans have zero wins.....why? Was it the result of bad play or other teams playing well. They are not playing solitaire out there, my friend. Pitt has a really good defense and The Titans are playing realy well. I will give you the bad play in the last two games. Our D was bad in the jax game and one player cost the Texans the game against the colts.
Where I see the improvement is the offense. The texans have scored at least 2o+ points in the last three games. They just need to hit on all cylanders... Kubiak is getting them there.
I have never understood this mentality. Fans come in all shapes, sizes, and mentalities. We come from different backgrounds and experiences, and each of us has a unique perspective to offer.
Why do you feel the need to insinuate that only YOU can define a fan? What makes you begin a post by belittling someone because they have an emotional moment after a very disappointing loss? In short, why do you feel superior to everyone else that does not share your opinions?
If someone is still following the Houston Texans at this point, then they are a fan.
I have never understood this mentality. Fans come in all shapes, sizes, and mentalities. We come from different backgrounds and experiences, and each of us has a unique perspective to offer.
Why do you feel the need to insinuate that only YOU can define a fan? What makes you begin a post by belittling someone because they have an emotional moment after a very disappointing loss? In short, why do you feel superior to everyone else that does not share your opinions?
If someone is still following the Houston Texans at this point, then they are a fan.
I'm a Texan Fan, and I'm Mad as Hell!
drewmar74
disgruntled
I have never understood this mentality. Fans come in all shapes, sizes, and mentalities. We come from different backgrounds and experiences, and each of us has a unique perspective to offer.
Why do you feel the need to insinuate that only YOU can define a fan? What makes you begin a post by belittling someone because they have an emotional moment after a very disappointing loss? In short, why do you feel superior to everyone else that does not share your opinions?
If someone is still following the Houston Texans at this point, then they are a fan.
Damn skippy!
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I honestly do not think you get what the rabid screaming is about from many. Perhaps you have not been a fan of this team since the inception. Perhaps you do not know what it is like to know that accountability, and cover (Mario Williams draft pick), in this organization's past has come from the rabid screamers. If not the fans demanding accountability for the awful game management that Kubiak has shown over the years, certainly it will not come from Rick Smith, the Chronicle or anywhere else.
Boselli, Gary Walker, Capers, Pendry, Fangio, Casserly, Carr, Robaire Smith, Green, Weaver & Moulds are just some obvious disconnects that we have had to endure in our time as Texans's fans.
Kubiak has shown to be a competent OC under the cover of an offensive mastermind of a coach. He has parlayed that experience to leverage the hiring of Gibbs and the West Coast offense Shanahan derivative. His means to an end are correct in my opinion.
Fire Kubiak carries a lot of emotion with it and doubt you can count on two hands the folks that have actually uttered those words on this board who have been fans since the inception. However, this is about results for the Texans, not Kubiak. I am a fan of Kubiak, but he has lost his way and have no doubt that he can watch the tape and know that he is not perfect. For me as a results oriented person who is a huge believer in employee development, the fire needs to be lit under his arse, and to be frank, that will only come from the fan base - not the FO, not the players and not the press.
Lastly, since McNair is a buisnessman he has seen his fair share of perfromance reviews and they invariably will be comprised of results, development and professionalism. As it stands in year 3 Kubiak has failed in the results bucket. The Dolphins just beat teams that played for the AFC Championship, after going 1-15. Rather than ***** and moan about the schedule, they got the results that their fans expect. We have never had that type of result so excuse us for being mildly emotional. All this fan asks is to win the next three home games against the Dolphins, Lions & Bengals, surely that would be a safe bet for those folks who are waving the tough schedule flag.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I have never understood this mentality. Fans come in all shapes, sizes, and mentalities. We come from different backgrounds and experiences, and each of us has a unique perspective to offer.
Why do you feel the need to insinuate that only YOU can define a fan? What makes you begin a post by belittling someone because they have an emotional moment after a very disappointing loss? In short, why do you feel superior to everyone else that does not share your opinions?
If someone is still following the Houston Texans at this point, then they are a fan.
FirstTexansFan
The Unknown Fan
I just wish once a pissing contest on these MB's would end without all participants hitting their own shoes. Listen to the Air Force, "AIM HIGHER!"
Drew_Smoke
@Drew_Smoke
All successful coaches or businessmen will tell you about alot of failures/miscues before they hit the top.
Its the ones that have never had that kind of pressure that sit back and point fingers when things don't go well. Just punch in 5 mins late and clock out 15 mins early and let the big boys right the ship.
If it was easy then 75% of this board could do it.
Kubes is my guy til further notice.
Its the ones that have never had that kind of pressure that sit back and point fingers when things don't go well. Just punch in 5 mins late and clock out 15 mins early and let the big boys right the ship.
If it was easy then 75% of this board could do it.
Kubes is my guy til further notice.
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spurstexanstros
Texans Rising
I just wish once a pissing contest on these MB's would end without all participants hitting their own shoes. Listen to the Air Force, "AIM HIGHER!"
That has got to be the funniest thing I have ever heard on this board out side of VY being called Radio, or the Jags having tarpitude. great
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
I 100% agree with this post. We are seeing a ton of young players (and
coaches) make a ton of mistakes every week. I see them making less of
the same ones week by week. The Texans, under Kubiak have been one
of the least penalized teams in the league. That speaks volumes to the
level of discipline he has instilled. Young players screw up, and when
they hang their heads, and don't come back stronger the next week,
I have a problem.
Remember, the Texans had the Jacksonville game won, until the defense
couldn't stop Gerrard on 4 and 8 from running up the gut. That was a
hard loss, but they came back stronger last Sunday. When they stop
coming back stronger after tough times, Kubiak will cease to be my coach.
I wish the fans were a little more like the team.
I think the team needs to be more like some fans.
Fans that are sick of mediocrity.
Fans that expect and demand something better.
Fans that want to win.
Fans that don't do helicopter impersonations.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
So you're okay with the players showing up to the game piss drunk?
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
I have never understood this mentality. Fans come in all shapes, sizes, and mentalities. We come from different backgrounds and experiences, and each of us has a unique perspective to offer.
Why do you feel the need to insinuate that only YOU can define a fan? What makes you begin a post by belittling someone because they have an emotional moment after a very disappointing loss? In short, why do you feel superior to everyone else that does not share your opinions?
If someone is still following the Houston Texans at this point, then they are a fan.
no truer words have ever been spoken.
i'd even go a step further and that anyone who is a Houston professional football fan has been through more than just about any other fanbase. We have seen it all. And we keep coming back. Are we stubborn? stupid? gluttons for punishment? Nope. We are just fans. Fans that all want to win 'again' *chuckle* One day it will finally come. No doubt. I'd just like for it to happen before I need a walker.
As long as they are mean drunks! lol
Malloy
Hall of Fame
Drunk I can handle, but seeing AJ lining up with a paper bag over his head... not so much
Exascor
Veteran
FYI-the old All Encompassing Fire Kubiak & Replacement thread is invalid. It's supposed to be http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2247451#post2247451 but doesn't show up for many of us. Maybe only mods can see it?
Here's a new (old) thread I necroed to keep from starting another one.
Here's a new (old) thread I necroed to keep from starting another one.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
the problem is they merged a coaching candidate thread with it....we were discussing coaching options in that one.....
kingtexan
All Pro
We dont play that in Texas!
My son is 5 and he better get his **** together if he plans on seeing 7!!!
Seriously though they may be young but are paid more than most of us will make in a lifetime, so it is hard for us to look at it as they need to learn. They need to perform and earn their money.
TheIronDuke
All Pro
We dont play that in Texas!
My son is 5 and he better get his **** together if he plans on seeing 7!!!
Seriously though they may be young but are paid more than most of us will make in a lifetime, so it is hard for us to look at it as they need to learn. They need to perform and earn their money.
Might want to check the date of the post you're responding to.
kingtexan
All Pro
My bad, not sure why threads that old are even allowed to be re-hashed ... oh wait its TT.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Rep to the OP for the angry face. It's a nice touch.
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