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Historyhorn said:
Look. No-one is disputing the boneheaded play by Sage. And I hate getting into it with other Texan fans. I get enough crap from Cowboy fans. Maybe too many years coaching JH and HS football means I try to take the safe way.

When you work with kids, you expect them to try to make a play...even if it isn't the smart thing to do. When you have the game won, you try to take as much potential for BIG bad plays out if you can.

I'm just pissed, frustrated, & discouraged.
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I guess the point is that a naked bootleg is incredibly low risk, about the lowest risk that Kubiak could call. The ball never leaves the QB's hands. About the only way to screw it up is by fumbling the snap from center (something we all know a bit about) or by inexplicably deciding to swan dive with the ball held in one arm.

I think every single player needs to have this tattooed on their foreheads:

Don't Do Anything Stupid.
 
Leahmic223 said:
Only thing I can think of is he thought about putting the cherry on top and making a cool dive over 3 LBs to get on Sportscenter.
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you've gotta admit, if he would've held onto the ball that play would've been shown for years. hurdle, hangtime, helicopter ... up until the ball popped out that was a lot of fun to watch.
 
QB sneak. FB dive. Lead plays.

Sage had a pass/run option. The play wasn't designed for him to keep the ball as the number one option.
 
Scooter said:
you've gotta admit, if he would've held onto the ball that play would've been shown for years. hurdle, hangtime, helicopter ... up until the ball popped out that was a lot of fun to watch.
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Yeah, it was looking good...it just ended horribly. I was actually okay with that at first...I didn't think he'd go out there and fumble it AGAIN though, I was positive we'd go back down the field and score.
 
Historyhorn said:
QB sneak. FB dive. Lead plays.

Sage had a pass/run option. The play wasn't designed for him to keep the ball as the number one option.
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Sure. You are trusting Sage to not throw into anything resembling coverage. And also trusting him to tuck and dive or run out of bounds. The chance of a fumble on a QB sneak is higher, and the chance of a play that gains the first is lower as well.

I will say this. If Kubiak had called for a QB sneak or dive play on 3rd and a long 4 I would probably be taking your side in the argument. Those plays are designed for 2 yards max and make far less sense IMO.
 
Dan B. said:
I guess the point is that a naked bootleg is incredibly low risk, about the lowest risk that Kubiak could call. The ball never leaves the QB's hands. About the only way to screw it up is by fumbling the snap from center (something we all know a bit about) or by inexplicably deciding to swan dive with the ball held in one arm.

I think every single player needs to have this tattooed on their foreheads:

Don't Do Anything Stupid.
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not on there foreheads. they wont be able to see it during the game.
 
Scooter said:
you've gotta admit, if he would've held onto the ball that play would've been shown for years. hurdle, hangtime, helicopter ... up until the ball popped out that was a lot of fun to watch.
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Even if he hadn't fumbled, it was incredibly stupid of him to expose himself that way. When he went airborne all I could think of was our only backup quarterback having to go on IR for a season-ending decapitation injury. And then he fumbled instead.

Now I'm not sure which result I would've preferred.
 
Here we go. I was soooo close to start buying into everything that excuses Kubiak just now. I actually just caught myself. But you know what.. we are 0-4 and his name has come up waaaaaaay to fricking often for me to give him a pass anymore. There is only so much coincidence that he can hide behind.
 
Vinny said:
most coaches would have run the ball...but we don't know how to win a game
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What about when we were ahead 27-10 and let them go right down the field . We had been getting pressure until we pulled back .

Then we ran it twice after the onside kick ... causing them to use 2 TOs . If Sage slides ... are'nt we in field goal range ?

I think to be a top notch team ... you get that 1st down on the Sage in Flight sreies and put it away .
 
Kubiak is not to blame for losing this one. Sage lost it for us on a couple of stupid plays. You must remember though that Sage is the reason we were doing so well up to that point. I don't care if he did make those stupid moves...Sage is the better qb for this team. The team plays much better with him in. Granted it was heartbreaking to watch but Shaub has been way too inconsistant and just flat terrible at times. If it were not for his last five min of play he would have been the savior.
 
you guys can argue about that one play all you want. if we win its not even talked about. if we run the ball and manning brings them back and then they recover the onside and win its all because we got to consevative. there are going to be plays where people question the play calling, its football. the question is are we getting better. while we are playing better there is a big problem. we keep losing and players are gonna quit responding to the coaches and once players stop listening to the coaching staff it all over.

personally i think kubes is the right guy and the wins will come. but i thought carr was a good quarterback.
 
I don't think Gary's "QB Guru" rep is going to escape Houston

Carr = Bust
Schaub = Pansy
Sage = *****
Brink = LOL
Van Pelt = LOL
Zabransky = "**** the practice squad!"
 
htexfan said:
Kubiak is not to blame for losing this one. Sage lost it for us on a couple of stupid plays. You must remember though that Sage is the reason we were doing so well up to that point. I don't care if he did make those stupid moves...Sage is the better qb for this team. The team plays much better with him in. Granted it was heartbreaking to watch but Shaub has been way too inconsistant and just flat terrible at times. If it were not for his last five min of play he would have been the savior.
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But that is where you are wrong the team was playing great as was Sage. The team was beating the Colts. The D was there the O was there. All pieces working together. Sage, and Sage by himself, decided to try and make this about him and that makes him the most selfish player that took the field. He erased all good deeds with his selfish watch me win this starting job meltdown.

That was TO type playing at the backup QB position for us today.
 
grinch1134 said:
But that is where you are wrong the team was playing great as was Sage. The team was beating the Colts. The D was there the O was there. All pieces working together. Sage, and Sage by himself, decided to try and make this about him and that makes him the most selfish player that took the field. He erased all good deeds with his selfish watch me win this starting job meltdown.

That was TO type playing at the backup QB position for us today.
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To be honest I don't know what to think about "why" he did what he did. I will get to that later. Right now I want to stress the fact that this game rests solely with Sage Rosenfels.

Sage would have won this game for us. It would have been his win, and I guarantee you a controversy would have spawned (not just a MB one, a real one, IMO). Just like he would have led us to victory, he led us to failure. As QB he takes the full brunt of this... and rightfully so.
 
TexansLucky13 said:
To be honest I don't know what to think about "why" he did what he did. I will get to that later. Right now I want to stress the fact that this game rests solely with Sage Rosenfels.

Sage would have won this game for us. It would have been his win, and I guarantee you a controversy would have spawned (not just a MB one, a real one, IMO). Just like he would have led us to victory, he led us to failure. As QB he takes the full brunt of this... and rightfully so.
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Very true. Tough loss on some BONE-HEADED mistakes. But if anyone is going to get the ax after these first four game, it's either Richard Smith or Kubiak. I still want to believe in Kubiak, but I'm getting a sneaky suspision that he's just not cut out to be a head coach. =( Great guy but maybe too soft.
 
BSofA04 said:
Very true. Tough loss on some BONE-HEADED mistakes. But if anyone is going to get the ax after these first four game, it's either Richard Smith or Kubiak. I still want to believe in Kubiak, but I'm getting a sneaky suspision that he's just not cut out to be a head coach. =( Great guy but maybe too soft.
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It definitely may be true that Kubiak isn't suited for HC, but so far we really can't be 100% sure. I'll admit that it doesn't look too good for him right now, though. I am pretty confident that he will be here for the rest of this season... as for Richard Smith, that's a different story. Obviously my soap says it all.
 
Cannot blame Kubiak on this one. It lies squarely on the shoulders of Sage Rosenfels. I thought Kubiak should've called more running plays. If you can't run against the Colts you can't run against anyone. But overall Kubiak is not responsible for this one. Blame Rosenfels.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Let's hire Mike Munchak as head coach .

At the very least we screw Bud .
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Sign him up

ATXtexanfan said:
I don't think you can put this game on kubiak
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Vinny said:
most coaches would have run the ball...but we don't know how to win a game
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I am going to have to agree with Vinny on this one. Kubes called a beautiful game till the end. After the first fumble we still should have went back to running the ball. We still had the lead, we had the home field advantage, and we had time on our side. Sage had no business dropping back when he fumbled the second time. Kubiak panicked.

I would honestly hate to see Kubiak go. I like the guy. He is a Houstonian. He grew up in the neighborhoods many of us walk. I go to the luncheons every year and listen to him speak and its encouraging. He has done some good stuff. He almost had this team turn the corner. But in the end, he is Dom Capers with his mouth shut.

The only way I see Kubes staying is if he either fires little Shanny and hires someone to call the plays, or turn the reigns over to Shanny. I think a lack of sleep and the long hours a head coach puts in has impaired his decision making.
 
Kubiak opted to pass in that situation because the Texans were inside their own red zone and the running plays were getting stuffed. He called a safe slant to Slaton on 2nd and 8 that Rosenfels threw behind him, putting the offense in a third and passing situation. If he calls a running play on third down, the Colts most likely force a punt with just the right amount of time for Manning to dink and dunk us to death, drain all the life out of the clock, and score the winning TD.
 
Yeah we are 0-4 because of Sage - bull$hit. If he would have gotten that first down people would be talking about how awesome it was. I don't blame him for the helicopter jump. Kubiak gave him the ball and allowed him to make the decision to run or throw. Kubiak has shown that while he may be a great offensive coordinator - he just can't cut it as a head coach. He has faith in crappy assistants he dosen't stand up and do what's best for the team. He brings in old broncos and ex-teamates kids for players. Where is D. Walker and S. Boyd what have they done not to deserve a place on the team? He cannot manage game situations from challenges to playcalling with a lead to having the team prepared to play. All he had to do was let the kid with 94 yards and 2 TD's run the ball. Hell even A. Grenn could have run out the clock. You put the ball in the hands of players who are used to running with the ball not a qb. I do blame sage for the last fumble - but the playcalls should have been to handoff up the middle. We are 0-4 because our HC sucks - how many passes does he get. I wonder how much control Kubiak has over the defensive philosohy - probably a lot. We are 0-4 some games because we were not prepared others because of offense other because of defense - the one constant is the Head Coach is still Gary Kubiak (I used to be a supporter - no more)!
 
Mailman said:
Kubiak opted to pass in that situation because the Texans were inside their own red zone and the running plays were getting stuffed. He called a safe slant to Slaton on 2nd and 8 that Rosenfels threw behind him, putting the offense in a third and passing situation. If he calls a running play on third down, the Colts most likely force a punt with just the right amount of time for Manning to dink and dunk us to death, drain all the life out of the clock, and score the winning TD.
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He should have run the ball and punted. Our D was stopping them all day.
 
TEXANRED said:
He should have run the ball and punted. Our D was stopping them all day.
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Except for that long drive in the fourth quarter that made it a ten-point game.

Cmon. We're talking about Peyton Manning. He's done it against way better defenses.
 
We can go back and forth on this for hours, but this is and will be the only conclusion.... we lost this game because of mistakes. It's pointless to question the play call when we can clearly see that our loss is attributable to a lack of execution (as much as we hate that term). Mental error on the part of Sage is overwhelmingly at fault.
 
dickieb said:
If he would have gotten that first down people would be talking about how awesome it was. I don't blame him for the helicopter jump.
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Yes and if I got paid for every crap I took I would be a millionare. He didn't make the play, so this is what we are all talking about. Everyone in the booth and post game said why don't you slide and take the first down. But super Sage had to do it all. The HC in post game said it was a simple naked boot not a let me fly like super grover.
 
Even if he had made the first down, I'd use it against him in the "Start Sage!!" threads that would've followed because that's just plain foolish under the circumstances. Kinda like the way he held the ball out near the goal line to get that first down. Yes, he got the first down, but the result didn't make it a wise play.
 
CrosbyTexansFan said:
Kubiak should have benched Sage after he tried to leap over 3 LB's like he was Elway or something. This was done after he held that ball out in the open during that QB sneak......in which case I'm SURE the coaches told him to not do dumb stuff like that anymore & protect the ball. And if the coaches did NOT tell him that, then that is just another reason to get rid of Kubiak. Kubiak has to own up to some of this fiasco........not protecting the football is unacceptable.......that is Kubiak's own words from when Carr was giving it up. When sage went haywire the 1st time, he should have been removed from the game. Kubiak should lose his job over this, so should Sage. Only action such as this would convince the rest of the team that protecting the football is job #1 for any team at ANY level. I imagine right now the team probably thinks protecting the football is the last thing they need to do.......after watching this fiasco.:jogger:
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You want to fire Gary Kubiak because he didn't bench Sage after his fumble? Who did you think he was going to put in there? Schaub barely looked like he was awake on the sideline much less ready to come in the game.

Kubiak needed only to bite a giant hole in Sage's ass for that idiotic decision and then he should have sent him back out there just like he did with explicit instructions to take care of the ball. For all we know that's exactly what he did. What we do know is that Sage did not take care of the ball and so with some really pathetic play he managed to do what the Colts seemed incapable of doing today. He stopped the Texans from getting their first win.

I wouldn't fire Gary Kubiak for today. I wouldn't even think of it. It would be a cold day in hell before Sage Rosenfels held my teams fate in his hands but I wouldn't fire the coach. I wouldn't even cut Sage. Who are we going to put in his place at this late date?

What I'm most angry about today is that we could have traded that stupid son of a ***** in the off-season and the Texans wouldn't pull the trigger because they thought he was "special" or something. I'm filled with disgust when I think of the Texans not having another 3rd rounder because they kept Sage "f'n" Rosenfels (just in case!) to come out and deliver this crap performance.

Nice move Texans. You really showed the rest of the league that you weren't going to just give away this special needs dipstick for nothing. You wanted value for Sage. Good for you. Hope you enjoyed your value.
 
No way Kubiak is to blame for this loss. He had a great game plan and the team came to play. Kubes did his job, Sage just forgot rule number one of his, PROTECT THE BALL!!!
 
sometexansfan said:
No way Kubiak is to blame for this loss. He had a great game plan and the team came to play. Kubes did his job, Sage just forgot rule number one of his, PROTECT THE BALL!!!
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So why do you throw the ball with 4 minutes left in the game with a 17 point lead? Seriously. Why do you do that?

It isn't just that though. The fact that Kubiak didn't learn his lesson by having Sage throw AGAIN right after turning the ball over tells me he has some bad judgement. Every other coach in the NFL would have run the clock, not try to throw the ball. Kubiak has to be on the hot seat. If Cowher even acts like he wants to coach next year, McNair has to give him a call.
 
Kubiak sucks...as if this should be news to anyone.

Why this guy still collects a paycheck is beyond me...can we finally all agree that this guy is never going to lead us to anywhere of consequence.

I foresee a 3-13 season and if McNair doesn't fire his sorry arse, he needs to just sell the freaking team. Maybe Congress can bail his out too.

KUBIAK SUCKS
SMITH SUCKS
MCNAIR SUCKS
and THE TEXANS SUCK

period
 
Before the Rosencopter took off I was pissed at how cute our play calling was when we just needed to shove the ball down their throat. The offensive play calling was putrid, when all it had to be was vanilla to get the victory.

I would not be surprised if Kubiak lost the team after this week. I have no faith in this team other than finding new and exciting ways to mock me for my investment in dollars and time.

That was as heartbreaking of a loss I have ever been a part of as a fan, but I totally expected it once the cuteness came to life in the form of the play calling.

Once again the defense was unable to make a stop when we needed them to.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Before the Rosencopter took off I was pissed at how cute our play calling was when we just needed to shove the ball down their throat. The offensive play calling was putrid, when all it had to be was vanilla to get the victory.

I would not be surprised if Kubiak lost the team after this week. I have no faith in this team other than finding new and exciting ways to mock me for my investment in dollars and time.

That was as heartbreaking of a loss I have ever been a part of as a fan, but I totally expected it once the cuteness came to life in the form of the play calling.

Once again the defense was unable to make a stop when we needed them to.
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I agree with your Kubiak take because it's feasible to see the team begin to revolt. However, I don't think the defense was at fault today. They were put in some ugly positions at the end of the game and did a decent job at making Manning eat up ~5 minutes before they scored the first TD. The third was inevitable thanks to Sage.
 
LonerATO said:
We should only keep Rick Smith
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I don't know why this guy keeps getting a pass. How many years does he get before the talent level has something to do with him? Fans thought the "Smithiak" team was great because it was a team working together. I think it is - both of them are responsible for the state of the franchise.
 
Hey, lets go get Jimmy McGinty, look what he did in Washington, as long as we are throwing coaching changes that aren't going to happen.
 
BSofA04 said:
I agree with your Kubiak take because it's feasible to see the team begin to revolt. However, I don't think the defense was at fault today. They were put in some ugly positions at the end of the game and did a decent job at making Manning eat up ~5 minutes before they scored the first TD. The third was inevitable thanks to Sage.
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The defense was fine today, but still not good enough.

This team has not learned how to win, and frankly not sure if Kubiak will have enough time to learn from these losses.

The Dolphins, Lions & Bengals are must wins for Kubiak in my opinion. We have never won three games in a row before and to do so would be the only thing to show me we have made progress on the field during his tenure.

We have not hit bottom, but we are certainly close.
 
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