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Fiesta Bowl 2014 Thread

mussop said:
and why is it you want no part of Manziel?
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Bah007, Wolverine Fan & a few others share my views on his game...you can read any 1 of their posts on him & they echo mine...with the exception of him being short argument that is. The long and short of it though is that i don't think his game will translate....

The NFL game is a passing game now & defenses will respect your ability to run and scramble as a qb but only after you've proven you can do just as much or more damage passing the ball...& he just doesn't pass the eye test for me as a passer; the system he runs hides that very well. He'll be good for a flash here and there, but the splash plays you saw in college will not be there more often than not in the NFL....& what you'll be ultimately left with is what we just saw outta Case...holding onto the ball too long either waiting for that huge window to open up, or him running around in the backfield only to take 10 yard sacks...

The only way i see him being successful is if he gets into another spread system..but even then it's stilll gonna be a struggle for him b/c everyone will be on par with him athletically..which is not the case in college with him right now.
 
BigBull said:
That and he thinks UT is going to steal Briles away from Baylor...
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That would precipitate a 3-week drinking and eating binge that ends with McClain naked, covered in particles of spew and jailed by Mexican Federales desperately trying to negotiate a prisoner exchange to repatriate The General.
 
After watching the game, second time I've seen Bortles play, I'd say he has all the tangibles, big guy, strong arm, looks like a prototype NFL QB. But accuracy is not as good as either Manziel or Bridgewater. I suppose that's something that can be fixed.
 
FirstTexansFan said:
After watching the game, second time I've seen Bortles play, I'd say he has all the tangibles, big guy, strong arm, looks like a prototype NFL QB. But accuracy is not as good as either Manziel or Bridgewater. I suppose that's something that can be fixed.
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65% on a Big Stage FBS Bowl, no to shabby.
 
Texian said:
65% on a Big Stage FBS Bowl, no to shabby.
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Ton of screens and short passes there. His down the field accuracy is spotty at this point in his development. Not worth a #1 overall pick in my view but he's a top 15 "prospect". Has kind of a bust factor to me too though if you're drafting him that high.

Like I said earlier in the thread he's solid.
 
leebigeztx said:
Where is that poster calling Petty a top qb prospect? That dude is not a nfl prospect.
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I am here and I will admit Petty played a terrible game tonight. He's had a great season though and has a great skill set.

Petty's accuracy was off tonight.
 
steelbtexan said:
I am here and I will admit Petty played a terrible game tonight. He's had a great season though and has a great skill set.

Petty's accuracy was off tonight.
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I'll defend you some here. They said tonight Petty hadn't started a game in 4 or 5 years since his hs senior year. I think he'll be a potential 1st round prospect after next year.
 
Texn4life said:
Ton of screens and short passes there. His down the field accuracy is spotty at this point in his development. Not worth a #1 overall pick in my view but he's a top 15 "prospect". Has kind of a bust factor to me too though if you're drafting him that high.

Like I said earlier in the thread he's solid.
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I've been checking him out on the internet (kinda got distracted with his girlfriend for a couple of hours... or three). This is the second game I've seen him play.

I like him. I love his size & his mobility for that size. I like his ability to throw on the run. I like his throwing motion. I think he makes good decisions.


But Baylor's defense didn't impress me much & the other game was against the Cougars.

However, I don't think he plays particularly fast & he may have trouble adjusting to the speed of the NFL. From what I know, I don't know if he'll be ready to play in 2014, so I can't give him a first round grade. I was hoping he'd be a possibility early in the second. But if he won't be ready to play in a year (not that I want him to) I can't see spending a second.

But whoever picks him will be able to sit down & talk to him, talk to his coaches, work him out, test him. They may have information I don't have & decide he's ready to start day 1 (which would make him a 1st round pick).

Had he played at a major school in a major program I'd feel better about his two years at UCF... but I really like his story & he seems to be a special person.
 
Watched 3 quarters last night. Kid performed exactly like we thought he would. Threw a couple of unnecessary picks. But also had poise, kept fighting and found a way to win. I still think he could use an extra year in college, but I think Bortles will be very tempted to come out this year with only a few big time QBs declaring so far. Hundley for sure going back to UCLA might push him over the edge.

Right now I think he would be taken in the top 15 below Teddy B and Manziel.
 
Blake said:
Watched 3 quarters last night. Kid performed exactly like we thought he would. Threw a couple of unnecessary picks.
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I didn't see all the interceptions.

I saw the first one.
A deep pass into single coverage. Not grossly overthrown, imo. If his receiver was a little more agressive & possessed the skills of an Andre/Calvin Johnson, the talent of a DeAndre Hopkins or Hakim Nicks, or the size of a Rob Gronkowsky, we'd be saying that was a perfect pass. Nothing wrong at all with the decision to throw the ball. I question the location, but we're talking about "pin-point" accuracy to be a better thrown ball.​

The second one.
He was under duress. Threw a less than perfect pass under less than ideal circumstances. A decision I'd rather not see made. But the ball was tipped. another 1/4 of an inch higher; it's not tipped, it's not intercepted, there's no gain. I'd have rather he thrown it directly at the receiver's feet.​
 
Well, if you want to pick apart Bortles bowl game, I'd start with pointing out that 2 of his TD passes were WR screens behind the LOS that went for a total of about 80 yards. The WR Ranell Hall did a great job of fighting all the way to the end zone.
 
I really liked what I saw from Bortles. Definitely nothing to keep me from picking him. I would have preferred him not run as much but you gotta do what you gotta do and he made some nice throws on the run. He didn't let those two INTS get into his head.

It will be interesting to see if he comes out or if he stays for some more experience.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Well, if you want to pick apart Bortles bowl game, I'd start with pointing out that 2 of his TD passes were WR screens behind the LOS that went for a total of about 80 yards. The WR Ranell Hall did a great job of fighting all the way to the end zone.
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Personally I am not interested in picking his bowl game apart. He made the best decision at the time that resulted in a touchdown.

I am not going to make excuses for his touchdowns anymore than I am for his interceptions. He decided to throw the ball under x circumstances and the result was the result. thunderkyss trying rationalize it by saying if he had CJ or AJ doesnt really make alot of sense.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Well, if you want to pick apart Bortles bowl game, I'd start with pointing out that 2 of his TD passes were WR screens behind the LOS that went for a total of about 80 yards. The WR Ranell Hall did a great job of fighting all the way to the end zone.
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I'm glad someone brought this up. With this same thinking, go back & watch Teddy Bridgewater highlights & look at how many times his receivers helped him out. They may not be the most talented bunch, but it is my belief that his WRs consistently got more separation when he went off schedule than the other QBs WRs.

By contrast, Mettenberger's receivers almost never got separation. That dude Beckham has amazing hands & body control.

Playoffs said:
Well yeah, but... :devilpig:
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My main point was the ball was slightly overthrown if at all. He probably expected his receiver to do something he normally does on a regular basis. All we should expect the QB to do, is make good decisions (& that was), take calculated risks (again, not a throw I would advise him not to throw), & put the ball in a good location (that was good location, not great). We shouldn't expect him to catch it too.
 
Playoffs said:
That would precipitate a 3-week drinking and eating binge that ends with McClain naked, covered in particles of spew and jailed by Mexican Federales desperately trying to negotiate a prisoner exchange to repatriate The General.
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I don't ever want to see that mental picture again as long as I live.

:toropalm:
 
Texn4life said:
Ton of screens and short passes there. His down the field accuracy is spotty at this point in his development. Not worth a #1 overall pick in my view but he's a top 15 "prospect". Has kind of a bust factor to me too though if you're drafting him that high.

Like I said earlier in the thread he's solid.
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and for all others who complain it was all screens and short passes, not that I think it will matter or change anyone's thinking, take into consideration the number of time that Bortles/UCF did go deep (quite a few actually) and the number of times Baylor was flagged pass interference/holding. Baylor did set a record in the number of penalties in a game and most of those were pass interference/holding. It appeared the secondary was coached and game planned to not let Bortles beat you deep. Grab the jersey to prevent getting beat deep......just sayin....not that it will change anyone's thinking.
 
Despite not having a "good" game on paper and 2 of those TDs were really all the WR not so much him, I say he impressed the hell out of me and probably did MORE for his stock by the game going the way it did.

I believe if you want to show out and have your draft stock increase as a QB you need 2 scenarios:

1. You manhandle and beat the hell out of a better team like Teddy B did.

2. You get roughed up early, stay strong, bounce back, show toughness and clutchness to come back and get the victory like Bortles did.

First half dude didn't really look that good to me. 2nd half he looked unbeatable and played mistake free football and an inferior team beat a better team. He played strong and led UCF on 4 long scoring drives (3 TDs, 1 FG) and only 1 punt. I think he did enough this game that with this effort, his size and measurables, and a combine I assume he's going to kill, that he will leapfrog John F as the #2 QB in this draft.

It's not that John F didn't have a great game, cause he did, but if 2 QB prospects are remotely close and one has ALL the preferred size and measurables and one has none, the bigger guy generally wins.
 
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