as cool as he may be....... the only reason that is his avatar, is to thumb his nose at the F.O.
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as cool as he may be....... the only reason that is his avatar, is to thumb his nose at the F.O.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
There is no way CC said they wouldn't draft UT players because they didn't trust Mack Brown. Teams don't run around "trusting" college coaches in the 1st place. The Texans were noted for having a huge scouting staff to review film, pro-days and the combine--didn't stop them from making mistakes but that was bad trades and miss-evaluation not trust issues.
Thanks for that post, mamoo.
Texan Asylum
Hall of Fame
edit:
So, if I understand you correctly, VY would have been drafted by the Texans, if only Casserly trusted Mack Brown's player reports?
That is funny.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I would'nt discount anything Casserly did or said . I might believe the UT thing not because of Vince but because of Derrick Johnson .
Two players that really could of hepled were Derrick Johnson and even more Jamal Brown who has started at OT since day one for the Saints ... in fact they traded with us to get him .
Two players that really could of hepled were Derrick Johnson and even more Jamal Brown who has started at OT since day one for the Saints ... in fact they traded with us to get him .
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
im glad you feel you have grown to know me well enough in your time on this message board to speak to my motives and intentions. However, Im a grown man and i will speak for myself thank you sir.
Yes, I'll give you some insight. It's all about loyalty and building, and the Texans organization is big on it. THAT is what everyone misses. It isn't about winning immediately.
David Carr came here as a rookie QB for an expansion team and has given it everything he's got despite playing under a defensively oriented Head Coach for 4 years, having no veteran QB on the team from whom to learn, and no QB coach. The Texans believe that they have solved those 3 things with the addition of Sage Rosenfels and Gary Kubiak, and Carr is going get at least another year at the helm while they try to improve the rest of the team.
The PSLs are sold, and despite the non-stop whining by the Carr-bashers, Texans tickets sell out every year. They didn't fail to sell out when the team passed on VY (thank you!) and Reggie, and they won't fail to sell out next year. The public believes in Kubiak, which means that they will buy the season tickets. So sit back and enjoy show. I'm looking forward to it.
He can wear what he wants...... he can root for whoever he wants.... I don't care. I'm just saying he chose that picture for his avatar in effect giving the organization the finger.....
He has that as his avatar, because he welcomes the repoire he gets from certain homers....
I'm just saying don't feel sorry for him.
What's wrong with BVP & Q ?? Why can't we groom them??
IMHO, we need to lay off QBs in the draft till the next class of attractive prospects come along......... i.e. Jay Cutler...... Lienart..... Kellen Clemens..... Brodie Croyle..... Jamarcus Russell
Say that reminds me.
I wonder what it would take to get Rohan Davey into Houston.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Nice! That went from praising to bashing like AJ Foyt passing cars in his heyday. That statement is like saying you know that Ted Bundy guy down the street sure is a nice fellow. He brings us our paper, helps little old ladies accross the street, and babysits our kids. He just has a little problem with murdering single college age coeds. Other than that, he is a swell guy.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
see post 163 in this thread
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
I'm not surprised to hear this at all. It seems like CC thought he had everything figured out.
No players over the age of 30.
No players from a certain college.
This stuff just reinforces what I already suspected.
Erratic Assassin
Rookie
Interesting. I, for one, have never understood the "addition by subtraction" philosophy the Texans seem to live by. What is the benefit in letting players go and getting nothing in return? If nothing else, we could use the depth.
Yes, P Burn was a huge disappointment but he's still better than what we have. At least he could be returning the ball for us. Yes, Billy Miller isn't the second coming of Tony Gonzales, but he was successful with the Texans and I don't see how letting these guys go makes us any better.
Texan Asylum
Hall of Fame
I need to learn to stay out of other people's affairs. Forgive my intrusion into this issue.
Thanks...
Nice! That went from praising to bashing like AJ Foyt passing cars in his heyday. That statement is like saying you know that Ted Bundy guy down the street sure is a nice fellow. He brings us our paper, helps little old ladies accross the street, and babysits our kids. He just has a little problem with murdering single college age coeds. Other than that, he is a swell guy.
That was my little way of making a joke. He's a nice, stand up guy... just not an NFL starting caliber QB with the Texans.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
It remains to be seen what will happen to the Texans and the season tickets for 2007. The situation from this time last year to this year, is miles apart. No need to get into the details.
My point is, hope for the near future is really non-existent, particularly when McNair says "fans want short-term results and they are planning for the long-term." That seems to make no sense since the team is already in it's 5th year and still hasn't produce anything. Maybe McNair's idea of long-term is 15 or so years, and short-term being 10 years or less.
Hopefully you see my point.
I think if the Texans keep this roll of losing through mid next season, the fan base is going to lose a lot interest fast.
I honestly don't think Kubiak would have chosen VY out of the three QBs in the draft, IMHO. The Titans have admitted to simplifying the offense for Young and running it out of a shotgun. Both of these philosophies are not what Kubiak desires from his QB. His WC offense is a pretty deep pro-style philosophy, and he's even had to scale it back for Carr. I have little doubt that if Kubiak was choosing a QB, he would have went with Leinart or Cutler before picking Young.
Malloy
Hall of Fame
Interesting as always, thank you very much!
hollywood_texan
All Pro
Leinart doesn't have the mobility required for Kubiak's type of offense.
We bypassed DJ and Jamal Brown (Pro Bowl) for Travis Johnson.
Yeah, we got Winston out of the deal - I know - but that's just one of a dozen boneheaded decisions made by our former GM that set this org back a year for every year it existed.
The monies we can charge for all our forms of advertising is 'fan driven.' I know-in the past-sold seats that were empty during the game were not a good thing. For one thing, if the seats in the stadium are not only sold out but filled to, you can bet there is a 'solid' TV audience as well. More fans in the stadium and at home represent more potential customers to buy the advertisers products--too, there are more advertisers paying more money to get/buy those ad spots to get the customers business. However, fewer fans means fewer ad dollars spent for a smaller audience....
As empty as the stadium has been this year, plus tickets readily available on game day--not a good sign for anyone in the 'money' equation.
McNair, personally, can probably take a personal hit in the 'cash flow' market, but that may not be true for some of the Texans Minority Owners--especially if it means a bigger infusion of 'owner' money...
Bottom line? This team needs a 'serious dose' of effective decision making that fills the stadium back up. Too, I believe this has to be a re-curring synopsis--especially in Houston where fans will 'knock' down the door for a winning team but will stay home for a loser...
Look at what the Astros first trip to the World Series in '05 did for their sub-par results in '06...3 million fans. Now, McLane knows he can't stand pat or that 'new' fan base will turn to 'toast...'Stros have already added a 'big'time hitter and 2 pitchers and aren't done yet...
What will the Texans do to try and head-off their shrinking fan base....
As empty as the stadium has been this year, plus tickets readily available on game day--not a good sign for anyone in the 'money' equation.
McNair, personally, can probably take a personal hit in the 'cash flow' market, but that may not be true for some of the Texans Minority Owners--especially if it means a bigger infusion of 'owner' money...
Bottom line? This team needs a 'serious dose' of effective decision making that fills the stadium back up. Too, I believe this has to be a re-curring synopsis--especially in Houston where fans will 'knock' down the door for a winning team but will stay home for a loser...
Look at what the Astros first trip to the World Series in '05 did for their sub-par results in '06...3 million fans. Now, McLane knows he can't stand pat or that 'new' fan base will turn to 'toast...'Stros have already added a 'big'time hitter and 2 pitchers and aren't done yet...
What will the Texans do to try and head-off their shrinking fan base....
yeah, probably so...judging by Denver's pick, Cutler would probably have been Kubiak's choice, too.
Scottyboy
Waterboy
Jeezzz...How dishearting to read. I completely believe what you post man, I don't think you would come on here and BS everyone for no particular reason SWT. That being said, what is this guy(Bobby) thinking?? IS he off his rocker or something?
I think it has something to do with his dumb pride on taking carr #1 in 2002
Crazy how us fans could put together a better football team then million dollar scouting staffs and coaches???? boggles the mind???
Im serious here, no sarcism... I could GM this better then CC could ever dream!!!!!!! yet he still laughs all the way to the bank.
MAD WORLD!!!
I think it has something to do with his dumb pride on taking carr #1 in 2002
Crazy how us fans could put together a better football team then million dollar scouting staffs and coaches???? boggles the mind???
Im serious here, no sarcism... I could GM this better then CC could ever dream!!!!!!! yet he still laughs all the way to the bank.
MAD WORLD!!!
dannyboy
Practice Squad
Wow.
These last few pages have been the best thing I've read on here since the enlightening "Vince Young has no class/doesnt respect the White House" discussion that took place before the draft. Great stuff. Oddly enough, the debate once again revolves around the all-important subject of what a person chooses to wear.
Too bad that, unlike the previously mentioned discussion, it is littered with all this trivial banter about inside information from the front office and the many critical decisions that lay ahead. Oh well.
These last few pages have been the best thing I've read on here since the enlightening "Vince Young has no class/doesnt respect the White House" discussion that took place before the draft. Great stuff. Oddly enough, the debate once again revolves around the all-important subject of what a person chooses to wear.
Too bad that, unlike the previously mentioned discussion, it is littered with all this trivial banter about inside information from the front office and the many critical decisions that lay ahead. Oh well.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Good call...I was remembering that thread as well. Ironically enough, I was prominently involved in that debate as well.
Just wondering what you have to say about this now that McNair/Smith have, in as good as they will, apologized for the play of David Carr, AND made it clear to the NFL, at least in the public eye, that Carr is available for the right bidder, AND there are rumors about Plummer?
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
As of the last time i talked to my friend, there was internal division about david, moreso than two months ago, but indications are still strong from above that carr will still be here. Less certain than before, but the second i hear anything different i will be back to let you know.
Edited to add
And mcnairs quote says we have to improve the quarterback position, either with david or with some ADDITIONAL help. Don't read this as david leaving, more as a head nod to the possibility of plummer in free agency
Edited to add
And mcnairs quote says we have to improve the quarterback position, either with david or with some ADDITIONAL help. Don't read this as david leaving, more as a head nod to the possibility of plummer in free agency
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
swtbound has almost 4000 posts and been here for almost 3 years, you've been here for just 1 year and almost 1 hundred post.......hmm
I happen to like "inside information" and theres alot of it on this board. (Carr's brother posts here for crying sake.) I really don't think swtbound is pulling stuff out of his *** and is a credible poster, but people are people and people's opinions change all the time, even within our organization. So even if OUR ORGANIZATION changes their opinion about Carr, I'm not going to hold that against someone trying to feed inside information.
Look at it this way swtbound never really supported Carr, so what motive does he have trying to convince people that "Carr is our QB or he's going to be here". You can't deny Bob did everything in his power to make the city of Houston support Carr and make him successful, especially at the time this thread originally started. He can post here anytime, because he contributes quality posts, something thats few and far between on this board.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Thats the key sentence in this post. I am very anti-carr
swtbound has almost 4000 posts and been here for almost 3 years, you've been here for just 1 year and almost 1 hundred post.......
And that means what now? He's talking like he's in the texan organization front office. "EVERYTHING is wrong about everything" if what he says doesnt happen then I was just saying in a joking way "dont post" but I see you got your panties in a bunch about it. And carr's brother is who now? Is he in the front office of the organization. David doesnt even know whats going on with his situation himself so what would his brother know.Lets just hope the statements made by swtbound doesnt come true and we do get a better QB.
P.S. Quit being so up tight, loosen up
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Bravo...thats exactly what I would type if I didn't know what to say....it only took you 3 hours
My sister used to say she was "just joking" when she had nothing else to say either too
Also I don't wear panties
and if you paid attention the past 2 1/2 months you would know who Carr's brother is, personally I feel sorry for him logging on here and won't reviel his name.PS
please rant on
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Scooter
Funky
First off, i didnt read the whole 10 pages, so if i missed some actual discussion forgive me ... all i did read was that the sky is falling. i dont doubt that swt posted what his insider told him, i'm doubting the insider. john mclain is very close to the organization and i dont believe a single word he says. unless the informant is kukiak, rick smith, or mcnair himself ... they only know what they've been told. maybe it was they way swt portrayed this information, but no one in the entire organization is completely sure of anything. if a deal comes for carr that we like, or the partial owners put their foot down, or any of 100 things happen ... carr could not be here. i think it's foolish to deal in absolutes, or believe anyone that does. i've read enough from swt to generally believe what he says, so after this post it wouldnt suprise me if an effort was made to keep carr and continue building the team around him. i dont agree with that ideal, but it wouldnt suprise me.
the part that put me in this non belief category is the part about not drafting hometown kids. it's silly to exclude a large part of your options for no discernable reason, especially when those options are easiest to get full information about. it's just plain dumb to tell people that this is your philosophy. IF this is true (which i doubt), i have zero faith in whoever said this's ability to be an intrical part of a football franchise. if we want to be a winning team, we need to examine all options possible and decide who's best for the team regardless of where they're from.
relax folks, the sky isnt falling.
and stop with this post count nonsense. it'd take me no time at all to lead the forum in posts, that wouldnt change the fact that a lot of folks here know a lot more football than me. it wouldnt change my post's legitimacy if this were my first. same with tenure and footballs, they're only a small part of someone's recognition ... decide for yourself what you think is right/wrong or smart/silly or whatever.
the part that put me in this non belief category is the part about not drafting hometown kids. it's silly to exclude a large part of your options for no discernable reason, especially when those options are easiest to get full information about. it's just plain dumb to tell people that this is your philosophy. IF this is true (which i doubt), i have zero faith in whoever said this's ability to be an intrical part of a football franchise. if we want to be a winning team, we need to examine all options possible and decide who's best for the team regardless of where they're from.
relax folks, the sky isnt falling.
and stop with this post count nonsense. it'd take me no time at all to lead the forum in posts, that wouldnt change the fact that a lot of folks here know a lot more football than me. it wouldnt change my post's legitimacy if this were my first. same with tenure and footballs, they're only a small part of someone's recognition ... decide for yourself what you think is right/wrong or smart/silly or whatever.
2BCF
All Pro
Ha! Yeah, the kid looks like he stepped in it. Wouldn't be so bad if he hadn't title the thread that way.
I think instead of banning(if Davey goes), he should just create a new thread, "I Was Wrong About EVERYTHING".
That might help regain some cred.
2BCF
All Pro
LOL
Look, the kid got cocky and staked out his stance on the issue and is now having to backtrack.
Not the end of the world for him, those lessons come with age, it's called accountability. We're just poking fun so lighten up.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
I think I can vouch for that. It's not going to bother him much. It'll just somehow be a way to make this the NEXT longest thread ever, lol.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
Pretty obvious you haven't read much of this thread before you posted.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
I still can't even fathom that we have so many people placing such stock in sourcelesss Jake Plummer rumors when again I point out that every media source in the entire country knew with unquestioned certainty that we were drafting Reggie "Sure Thing" Bush last year. But hey, if someone in the paper said it, it must be true!
2BCF
All Pro
When you put yourself out there like this, you have to expect to be called on it.
Brandon420tx
Flounder
No he's the type who only visits threads to burn on Carr, without actually reading the info in the thread. Not to be confused with my idiotic posts, I actually try to understand whats going on in the thread before posting. (I just usually fail miserably at it)
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I'm so tired of all the whining UT fans! There is no conspiracy to keep David Carr nor a plot to keep UT players away from the Texans. The truth is that Mack Brown has poorly developed most of the talent he's acquired at UT and avoiding UT players on the first day wouldn't be the worst policy I can imagine. Most UT players drafted in round one the past 9 years have been busts or at least disappointments.
Regardless, there are 32 teams and the fact that a UT player hasn't been drafted by Houston yet doesn't even qualify as a minor coincidence. Instead, I find it reassuring that our organization doesn't have a policy to get local kids in order to please fans and make a popular choice.
The Texans have been bad to awful over these first five years and I can share your frustration with that but it has nothing to do with rejecting UT or UH players nor any secret conversations from McNair about keeping David Carr no matter what. We are recovering from a bad GM and head coach and some bad luck... All the crying about missing Vince Young is ridiculous. Here are the decisions that have this team losing: Buchanan trade, JBabin trade, Travis Johnson draft (instead of Jamaal Brown not D.Johnson), Glenn release, Todd Wade signing, Robaire Smith signing, Tony Hollings draft, Victor Riley signing, Pendry promotion, among others....
Brandon420tx
Flounder
What information do you have that proves that statement to be false?
Is it legitimate, is it a figment of your imagination, are their voice (rumors) in your head?
I have not seen anything official that says "David Carr will not be on the Texans roster next year"
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
The Jake Plummer thing might be sourceless, but it's not much of a stretch. Coaches always want their guys if they can get 'em.
I still think that the Texans had every intention of taking Reggie Bush before they smelled a potential scandal. I've heard from 2 places (Justice's blog, John and Lance) that Casserly was leaking this stuff to the media. Problem is that it wasn't his decision.
I also think people are reading more into the McNair quote than what is really there. I think that he just made that quote to put people on notice that he's not necessarily married to Carr anymore as his QB.
There's still a long way to go before we know if Carr will be here next year or not. Free agency...the combine...individual workouts...the draft.