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[ESPN]: Houston expected to use "high round" pick on RB.

If its not Adrian Peterson, do not touch a running back in the draft.
If its not Calvin Johnson, do not touch a receiver.

Interior linemen, outside linebackers, safeties, corners, and o linemen is where its at.
 
Okoye is 19-years-old, a little "light" for the tastes of NFL FOs and HCs. The commentators were saying that he'll probably get heavier, though, as he ages over the next few years. He's only 19.

He looks to me to be along the same lines as Mario Williams: A ferocious knack for getting to the ball, great speed for a guy his size (and he might get BIGGER). He blew up several plays all by himself in the few minutes I saw of him on Sat.

Okoye would be OK with me. Put him on one end and Mario on the other, and grab a bonified run-stuffing DT to help the guys in the middle of the line. I think it'll take Okoye 1-2 years to be at top NFL strength...but he looks great already. How do you get to be a senior and you're 19? Home school?

Lynch will be a star, but he'l likely be a P.R. nightmare, too. Think Pac Man Jones...
 
I just don't think I'd spend a high 1st rounder on a RB. I don't doubt Peterson could be great. However, RB careers can be so short and injuries tend to have a bigger impact on that position than most others. Also, good and great RBs can be found later in the draft- later in the 1st round after a trade down or in the second and third. Look at last year's draft: Maroney, D.Williams, M.Drew all went after pick #20. I was very excited about us trading back into the first round to get De. Williams last year. I just think the top 10 picks are generally too high a price to pay for a player likely to have a short career.

Look at the Denver-Washington trade a couple years ago. Denver traded Portis and got Bailey and a 2nd round pick. Most Redskin fans liked that deal at the time- as fans tend to get excited about RBs and QBs. The problem with the trade for me is that a RB's play is so largely impacted by the Oline and other factors out of his control. A CB is different. Regardless of the rest of the team, the CB can impact each play of the game significantly. Also, Bailey will likely be contributing at a fairly high level 4-5 years after Portis is out of football. The life on an NFL QB is so much longer than a RB.
 
I think you need to look at the D & O, and see that stat wise our D was in the bottom 4 of the NFL while the O was closer to 25, not good, but when your boat is going down, fix the biggest hole first. I say draft exactly like last year Defense-Defense-Offense, and pick up a cover corner first this year. We have good talent on offense right now, let's keep everyone on the same page and see what happens, replace guys as needed due to poor performance.
 
TexansFanatic said:
If we miss out on AP, I wouldn't be unhappy to get Marshawn Lynch. This guy can run between the tackles and punish tacklers, he can run around the end, he can catch short AND long balls. Here's a highlight video. I think the best run starts at about 1 minute and 37 seconds into it:

http://calbears.cstv.com/sports/marshawn/
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Nice moves, good balance. Seems to have a tad more speed than AP and looks like he has good hands. AP seems to run with more power IMO.
 
TexanFanInCC said:
i doubt it. its not like kubiak and rick smith to pursue running backs with early picks, considering that we run the zone blocking...any running back with decent vision can have success in this system. besides, im all in favor of giving chris taylor serious consideration to be the every down back next yr. if they really were intrigued by running backs in the early rounds, then they woulda drafted reggie bush. ill guarantee that the 8th pick wont be on a running back. in fact, i wouldnt be surprised if the texans draft a tailback as early as the 3rd round. kubiak made a committment to getting better on defense when he took mario williams. he is not finished. ill bet anything that the first round pick will be on defense.



i would hope not. kubiak wasnt going to tell mcnair straight up that carr was not going to take this team to the superbowl. he gave him a yr to prove his worth, and the fact is this...carr is out-of-tune. the overhead of keeping carr is too much for what your paying. plummer makes sense because of his respect for kubiak and the fact that he had his best pro seasons under kubiak's tutilage.
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you are making no sense. Why in the hell woud you want to waste another 1 on dl, Travis Johnson ring a bell..... And kolb will be gone b4 found 3. And plummer give me a break thats all i can say
 
FWIW...I think they will go Secondary with the #1 (unless AP falls to #8). If AP is available you take him. By they way he is nothing like Eddie George. EG ran almost straight up...AP runs more like (dare I say it) the Tyler Rose (shoulders down). However, its all mute as AP will be picked by the mistake by the lake. Look for the Texans to pick Irons or Lynch with their second rd pick. And a QB with the 3rd or 4th (KK anyone?). DL/LB will come with the
3rd or 4th. Best available the rest of the way...

We must sign a decent punter for next year!!!
 
aj. said:
Tomlinson, Johnson, Gore, Barber, Jackson.

Top 5 rushers in '06.

3 first rounders, 1 second rounder, and 1 third rounder (first pick in the third). And without the injury concerns, Gore would have gone much higher.
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Fair enough, but all these guys are sitting at home for the Super Bowl and none of them played in a conference championship this year.

You don't have to have a top 5 rusher to go deep in the playoffs or win the Super Bowl.

A 1,000 yard guy or two would do the trick and be less expensive. However, that means the QB has to run a very effective offense.

I don't mind using a high draft pick on a running back, but it seems very clear that from a position perspective, it is a more risky of a pick due to injury concerns and getting more bang for your buck if you have the right offensive system with a productive QB.

1st round picks seem to be more suited to shutdown corners, franchise QBs, and top-tier lineman.
 
hollywood_texan said:
Fair enough, but all these guys are sitting at home for the Super Bowl and none of them played in a conference championship this year.

You don't have to have a top 5 rusher to go deep in the playoffs or win the Super Bowl.
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1st round picks seem to be more suited to shutdown corners, franchise QBs, and top-tier lineman.
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My comment that you quoted was supporting information (nothing more nothing less) for the following statement made by Arlington Texan earlier in the thread:

The best Rbs in league are primarily first day with most of those being first rounders... - AT
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I'm not taking that argument and running with it by any means but to further support AT's statement, the starting RBs in this Super Bowl were both 1st rounders [Addai (30th overall), Jones (7th overall) ... not to mention Benson (4th overall)...]


The sky is blue.
 
Didn't ESPN say the same thing last year?

If Kubiak didn't want to give Clinton Portis a GTD $15 million why would he want to give another RB a GTD $15 million?:shades:

AP may look like the Edge in Indy playing in Oklahoma but running behind the Texans OLine he might look like the Edge in Arizona?

If the Texans passed on Bush (Barry Sanders) why wouldn't they pass on Peterson? (Bush was getting a lot more hype than Peterson is getting) :secret:

If the Texans think that a pass rush is higher priority than a RB they will pass on a RB.:winky:

If the Texans think that improving the OLine will improve the running and pass protection more than a RB they may pass on a RB.


If you think the Texans think they made a mistake with the 1st pick last year and will atone for it this year by taking AP. Call them! They will most likely say they are more comfortable with the pick today than they were 9 months ago.:stirpot:
 
Texian said:
If the Texans passed on Bush (Barry Sanders) why wouldn't they pass on Peterson? (Bush was getting a lot more hype than Peterson is getting)
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I'm not saying that this is the case, but couldn't it be possible?

Couldn't it be that the Texans would have taken Bush if they could have worked out a contract w/ him? Or even....
:secret:....that they could think AP is better, or at least a better fit than Bush was?

Who cares how much hype there was/is over a certain player? The Texans proved that they are not concerned w/ the hype. They will take who they want regardless of whether there is a large or small amount of hype surrounding said player.:ok:

Texian said:
If the Texans think that a pass rush is higher priority than a RB they will pass on a RB.:winky:

If the Texans think that improving the OLine will improve the running and pass protection more than a RB they may pass on a RB.
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If the Texans think that taking BPA is better for the team than taking a need position, and AP is available, they WILL take a RB:ohsnap:
 
What do y'all think of Jay Moore from Nebraska? Will he be around for our 2nd round pick?

Will Patrick Willis fall to the second round? Rufus Alexander? As you can tell, I'm for drafting defense the first 2 rounds. Any thoughts on these players falling to us in the 2nd?:shades:
 
HOU-TEX said:
What do y'all think of Jay Moore from Nebraska? Will he be around for our 2nd round pick?

Will Patrick Willis fall to the second round? Rufus Alexander? As you can tell, I'm for drafting defense the first 2 rounds. Any thoughts on these players falling to us in the 2nd?:shades:
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I don't think P.Will is going to fall to the second...

I'm not sure about Rufus, and Jay Moore probably will....

I think P.Will, depending on his combine, might be the first LB taken...
 
Toro said:
I'm going to partially agree with you.

Bush is a more explosive halfback. He's the type of guy who is capable of taking it to the hole everytime he touches the rock, and his versitility to play HB, WR and KR/PR is not to be ignored. I think he's the type to put up routine 1,400 yard seasons in terms of All Purpose Yards.

However, I truly believe Peterson is the better pure HB of the two. He's never had to share the load at Oklahoma, and from Day 1 when he stepped foot on campus in Norman, he was mature beyond his years. I see him being a Larry Johnson type, who will be able to carry the rock 30 times a game and get you a buck fifty on the ground and will get you 1,500 yards per season.

It all depends on what your tastes are. I think if you're looking for the Earl Campbell type back, who you can build your offense as a running team around, you take AP. Bush, on the other hand, is the type that if your looking for a run and gun, air it out type offense, Bush is your guy.

Also, what durability issues? The guy suffered two freak injuries. Find me one HB in the NFL who hasn't suffered some kind of injury, severe or non severe, and I'll point you in the direction of the practice squad guy who's parked on the furthest depths of the bench.

Look, Frank Gore had durability issues coming out of college. The guy had two blown knees and was one good hit away from having his career turn in to KiJana Carter's quickly. Trust me, that is an injury history to look at, moreso than a collarbone break and an ankle injury. Yet, in spite of this, he's been durable thus far, and the 49ers sure haven't regretted it. I think the same can be said for Peterson, and anyone who selects him. I hope it's Houston.

Also, why is Gary Kubiak's "draft history" being drug in to this? Since when do offensive coordinators have major say on who teams draft?



It's not just talent bro. It's about team individual need.

Matt Leinart had a hell of a Combine last year, and had the resume coming out of USC that were as good as any QBs of recent memory. Yet, he fell to 10. Not because he was injured and surely not because he lacked talent. It was because of need.

Just looking at this year's draft, there's really only one team in the top 8 that I think COULD go HB besides Houston, and that's Cleveland who also happens to need a QB. It's very realistic that Peterson could go to Houston at 8, regardless of how good he performs at the Combine.
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Well, Did the Saints really need a rb last year? No, if u ask me.They had Duce Mc, which is a proven rb in all aspects of the game, they had just signed Micheal Bennet, and they had Stecker, and they still drafted Bush. i dont see AP falling to us at all at #8. Any one of the top 7 teams can/will grab him. what team picking in the top 7 can u really say despartley needed a rb in last years draft?
 
aj. said:
My comment that you quoted was supporting information (nothing more nothing less) for the following statement made by Arlington Texan earlier in the thread:



I'm not taking that argument and running with it by any means but to further support AT's statement, the starting RBs in this Super Bowl were both 1st rounders [Addai (30th overall), Jones (7th overall) ... not to mention Benson (4th overall)...]


The sky is blue.
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Yea they are 1st rounders, but they arent in the top 5 for rushing. they're not even in the top 10. The Texans also have a 1st round rb already on the roster. Still goes to show u that u dont need a top tier, money hungry rb to go to the superbowl.:ok:
 
I'd love to see AP drop down to the #8, and then find a team that really wants to trade up for him, since I think you would get guys biting at a trade if he were avaialble at #8. Hopefully, we could trade down to the middle of the 1st round (maybe with GB) and draft Ryan Khalil C as an anchor for the OL. He could probably start right away and displayed quickness to pick up the ZBS. I woulc gladly take another 2nd or additional pick in the future to in exchange for a lower pick where we can get good value.

I don't want to have to sign a huge contract again.

I agree with most that we will pick up a QB or RB on day one... probably 3rd round. 2nd round I bet we pick up one of the depth players in the secondary.
 
DayneBum said:
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Well, Did the Saints really need a rb last year? No, if u ask me.They had Duce Mc, which is a proven rb in all aspects of the game, they had just signed Micheal Bennet, and they had Stecker, and they still drafted Bush.
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They obviously, watch a lot of ESPN.
 
Texian said:
If Kubiak didn't want to give Clinton Portis a GTD $15 million why would he want to give another RB a GTD $15 million?:shades:

If the Texans think that a pass rush is higher priority than a RB they will pass on a RB.:winky:
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One, Kubiak didn't make the decision on trading Portis. That was Mike Shanahan. And a major reason for that was because Portis wanted to renegoiate his contract (which still had 2 years remaining). Plus, Champ Bailey plus a 2nd round pick for Portis was a steal for the Broncos.

I don't know where you saw that a pass rusher was a higher priority than a RB. And why would a pass rusher have to be selected at #8? Anthony Spencer. LaMarr Woodley. Quenton Moses. Tim Crowder. Jay Moore. All edge rushers who will likely fall out of the 1st round.
 
Lucky said:
One, Kubiak didn't make the decision on trading Portis. That was Mike Shanahan. And a major reason for that was because Portis wanted to renegoiate his contract (which still had 2 years remaining). Plus, Champ Bailey plus a 2nd round pick for Portis was a steal for the Broncos.

I don't know where you saw that a pass rusher was a higher priority than a RB. And why would a pass rusher have to be selected at #8? Anthony Spencer. LaMarr Woodley. Quenton Moses. Tim Crowder. Jay Moore. All edge rushers who will likely fall out of the 1st round.
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Amen!!!
 
Figuring out who were going to draft at #8 isnt easy....because we dont know what the coaching staff is thinking...but they have said that they want playmakers and a pass rush....if a DE and Peterson falls then there will be a bigtime decision to be made....If one or the other falls then it will/should make the decision easier....BUT what if the Texans are targeting Levi Brown at 8 or Laron Landry and they pass on a Gaines Adams or Peterson for that matter....we are wayyyy to far away from the draft to predict a top 10....at this point last year there wasnt 1 person on the boards that saw Mario Williams as our #1 pick....It was all Reggie vs. Vince...There are soooo many outstanding prospects that could possibly be had at 8 its unbelievable....


Adrian Peterson
Gaines Adams
Jamaal Anderson
Alan Branch
Amobi Okoye
Levi Brown
Laron Landry
Reggie Nelson
Leon Hall

Just to name a few...ANY one of those players would be an immediate upgrade over what weve got now
 
texans83 said:
you are making no sense. Why in the hell woud you want to waste another 1 on dl, Travis Johnson ring a bell..... And kolb will be gone b4 found 3. And plummer give me a break thats all i can say
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Preach on Brother, tell it like it is. Would give you pos rep, but can't rep anyone for some reason... I am with you on this one...

titan hater said:
FWIW...I think they will go Secondary with the #1 (unless AP falls to #8). If AP is available you take him. By they way he is nothing like Eddie George. EG ran almost straight up...AP runs more like (dare I say it) the Tyler Rose (shoulders down). However, its all mute as AP will be picked by the mistake by the lake. Look for the Texans to pick Irons or Lynch with their second rd pick. And a QB with the 3rd or 4th (KK anyone?). DL/LB will come with the
3rd or 4th. Best available the rest of the way...

We must sign a decent punter for next year!!!
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I thought we had a punter, any in FA?

hollywood_texan said:
Fair enough, but all these guys are sitting at home for the Super Bowl and none of them played in a conference championship this year.

You don't have to have a top 5 rusher to go deep in the playoffs or win the Super Bowl.

A 1,000 yard guy or two would do the trick and be less expensive. However, that means the QB has to run a very effective offense.

I don't mind using a high draft pick on a running back, but it seems very clear that from a position perspective, it is a more risky of a pick due to injury concerns and getting more bang for your buck if you have the right offensive system with a productive QB.

1st round picks seem to be more suited to shutdown corners, franchise QBs, and top-tier lineman.
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I thought Chicago was loaded up with 2 former top 10 RB picks? Did I miss something??? :stirpot:

DayneBum said:
Yea they are 1st rounders, but they arent in the top 5 for rushing. they're not even in the top 10. The Texans also have a 1st round rb already on the roster. Still goes to show u that u dont need a top tier, money hungry rb to go to the superbowl.:ok:
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Lucky said:
One, Kubiak didn't make the decision on trading Portis. That was Mike Shanahan. And a major reason for that was because Portis wanted to renegoiate his contract (which still had 2 years remaining). Plus, Champ Bailey plus a 2nd round pick for Portis was a steal for the Broncos.

I don't know where you saw that a pass rusher was a higher priority than a RB. And why would a pass rusher have to be selected at #8? Anthony Spencer. LaMarr Woodley. Quenton Moses. Tim Crowder. Jay Moore. All edge rushers who will likely fall out of the 1st round.
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Sing it Brother. I feel it, tell them how it is...

Why does everyone think Kubiak ran Denver? I just don't get it... He was nothing more than an O Cord....
 
Lucky said:
One, Kubiak didn't make the decision on trading Portis. That was Mike Shanahan. And a major reason for that was because Portis wanted to renegoiate his contract (which still had 2 years remaining). Plus, Champ Bailey plus a 2nd round pick for Portis was a steal for the Broncos. Champ and a #2 was a by product after they decided not to give Portis the money. Kubiak was part of the process not give Portis the money.

I don't know where you saw that a pass rusher was a higher priority than a RB. And why would a pass rusher have to be selected at #8? Anthony Spencer. LaMarr Woodley. Quenton Moses. Tim Crowder. Jay Moore. All edge rushers who will likely fall out of the 1st round.
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Kubiak did say a pass rush would be given a BIG EMPHASIS, and the same could be said about RBs in RD2. I would rather have Jamaal Anderson and Michael Bush than AP and a 2nd rate pass rusher
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
Preach on Brother, tell it like it is. Would give you pos rep, but can't rep anyone for some reason... I am with you on this one...



I thought we had a punter, any in FA?



I thought Chicago was loaded up with 2 former top 10 RB picks? Did I miss something??? :stirpot:




yea top 10 in drafting wise, i'm talking about rushing yards.....neither one of them are in the top 10 this year.....not even Joey A-D-D-I-E
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Texian said:
Kubiak did say a pass rush would be given a BIG EMPHASIS...
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Well, here is what Kubiak said in his season ending press conference regarding the draft and the Texans' needs:

(on philosophy on draft) “That’d be really hard to answer right now. I think that’s all going depend on where we are with our football team, and where we’re headed, where we think our greatest need is with those players that are available. That can change year-to-year. Whether it’s that need player at that position that you know he’s a starter and he’s going to contribute to your team for a long time. Or if there’s a situation on the draft where you feel like you’ve got to take the best athlete available, I think that can change from time-to-time. We end up, we are eighth, that is correct? We’ll see.”

(on fulfilling the need for pass rushers) “There’s no doubt, we’ve got to find a way to put some pressure on some people. We played a group yesterday that was missing a couple of guards and (defensive coordinator) Richard (Smith) dialed up plenty of zone gods trying to create pressure and that is one glaring thing that I’ve been looking at this morning, comparing progress, where there was progress and some things we didn’t do well. One of the first things that I looked at was the fact that we didn’t pressure the quarterback really well. we’ve got to figure out a way to do that and if we’ve got to be able to do that with four guys in this league if you’re having to dial-up zone dogs and blitz in this league week–in and week-out, specially in our division in my opinion, you’re going to get burned. So we’ve got to find a way to pressure the quarterback with four guys and that will be a big point of emphasis.”

(on what will be his offseason point of emphasis for the offense) “Well, I think it is obvious on offense. We have got to find a way to make some big plays. In this business it is so hard to sit there and march three and four yards a play and be that consistent. You have got to have guy that can get you on and off the field, that can make the big play. We didn’t score enough points. In this league you’ve got to find a way to score some points. So I would say the point of emphasis is we have to find some playmakers. We have to find some guys that can step up and make some plays whether it is a back, another receiver. Somehow we have got to make some big pays and score more points because we definitely didn’t do that this year.”
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Kubiak used the word "emphasis" for both improving the pass rush and finding an offensive playmaker. He never indicated that one would be emphasized over the other. So I don't know what you were :winky: about.

Let me go on the record as saying that I don't believe Peterson will be on the board at #8. But if he were, I would much rather have Peterson and an Anthony Spencer than Jamaal Anderson and Michael Bush.
 
Lucky said:
Well, here is what Kubiak said in his season ending press conference regarding the draft and the Texans' needs:



Kubiak used the word "emphasis" for both improving the pass rush and finding an offensive playmaker. He never indicated that one would be emphasized over the other. So I don't know what you were :winky: about.

Let me go on the record as saying that I don't believe Peterson will be on the board at #8. But if he were, I would much rather have Peterson and an Anthony Spencer than Jamaal Anderson and Michael Bush.
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What we have here is a small misinterpratation from my original post, I wrote, "If the Texans think, and you took it to be my position. Not necessarily so as I must confess I don't know what the Texans are thinking. Let me join you on the record saying AP will not be available @ #8. We agree to disagree on your last statement.
 
Lucky said:
Well, here is what Kubiak said in his season ending press conference regarding the draft and the Texans' needs:



Kubiak used the word "emphasis" for both improving the pass rush and finding an offensive playmaker. He never indicated that one would be emphasized over the other. So I don't know what you were :winky: about.

Let me go on the record as saying that I don't believe Peterson will be on the board at #8. But if he were, I would much rather have Peterson and an Anthony Spencer than Jamaal Anderson and Michael Bush.
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I am just having a little fun here parsing words, kinda of like what the defenition of is, is.

Kubiak did say finding playmakers was a point of emphasis after bieng prompted when asked, "on what will be his offseason point of emphasis for the offense." When asked about his need for fulfilling the need for a pass rush, Kubiak said it was a Big point of emphasis. So while playmaker is a point of emphasis a pass rush is a BIG point of emphasis....Your Turn!
 
Texian said:
....When asked about his need for fulfilling the need for a pass rush, Kubiak said it was a Big point of emphasis. So while playmaker is a point of emphasis a pass rush is a BIG point of emphasis....Your Turn!
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Where in Kubiak's statement did he say the Texans needed to bring in another pass rusher? All he said was that they've got to find a way to rush the QB with 4 guys. Those guys may already be on the team. But, he did say that the Texans needed to find a playmaker, be it a RB or WR.

Not much of a challenge, Slick.
 
I've heard Rick Smith say "we need to generate a pass rush without blitzing."

Hopefully that helps clarify.
 
Lucky said:
Where in Kubiak's statement did he say the Texans needed to bring in another pass rusher? All he said was that they've got to find a way to rush the QB with 4 guys. Those guys may already be on the team. But, he did say that the Texans needed to find a playmaker, be it a RB or WR.

Not much of a challenge, Slick.
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Not much of a challenge because you really didn't rise to the occasion there chief.
 
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