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Eric Winston released?????
- Thread starter ThaShark316
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Isn't that tampering?
bckey
All Pro
Kimmy
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Josh Innes
Winston being cut has no affect on our Tuesday shows. Will not be getting someone else to fill his spot. From what I've been told we were losing the Winston show anyway. It was a casualty of our new deal with the Texans. We were not going to have a Tuesday player show anyhow.
Winston being cut has no affect on our Tuesday shows. Will not be getting someone else to fill his spot. From what I've been told we were losing the Winston show anyway. It was a casualty of our new deal with the Texans. We were not going to have a Tuesday player show anyhow.
We better not have made this move in order to satisfy Mario's thirst for money. We've got a new good starter at OLB but we need some depth, we don't have starter quality depth at RT. Winston was very important to Fosters success in the run game but left alot to be desired in the passing game thus the reason many of us suggested moving him to OG. I guess Butler will be penciled in at RT but I think we'll be looking in FA and the draft as well.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
GP
Go Texans!
If this is real, then I think the Texans are making it clear that distractions such as players having radio shows are a thing of the past.
Smithiak making it clear that fat will be trimmed, lives will be simplified across the board, and the only focus is to win a Super Bowl. Period.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Yeah, but neither of them has HEB beat!
You win. I forgot about those.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
Wow. This came out of left field. With Winston cut it absolutely means we have to resign Myers and Briesel. I can only imagine one other reason for doing so, and that's to sign Mario. I'd rather keep as much of our O-line intact than re-signing a defensive player we don't need though (even though he's a damn good one).
GP
Go Texans!
Do you think Butler is in better shape?
What are you talking about? The Texans like to have players on the airwaves and the tube. It's good exposure for the team. I'm pretty sure it's part of KILT's contract with the Texans to have a certain amount of time alloted during the week with the players and the coach. Winston's show was on his off day (Tuesday), anyway.
Seriously, you guys are reading too much into this. Keep it simple. Follow the money.
DonnyMost
lol football :D
Deservedly so, he has been exposed over the last 2-3 years as a know-nothing hack when it comes to the NFL. His days of being an "insider" with the Oilers are long gone, and now he is literally a mouthpiece of misinformation for the Texans. He thinks he's got his finger on the pulse, but he's so in the dark it's laughable. And the fact he's so pompous and petulant about it makes it even worse. There is an actual inverse relationship with what John McClain says and what the truth is or what is going to happen. I can't help but think that behind closed doors, the front office (and even the players) piss themselves laughing at how bamboozled Pancakes is. It is just sad.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
This.
ItsMyFault
It's on me.
That's hilarious.
EVOLVIST
Kid A
He should be. Usually guys who spend a significant time rehabbing from a sports injury come back in pretty good shape because they are generally forced by trainers to work on all core groups (especially if it's not a lower body injury). I've done it and came out in better physical shape because of it.
That's not to say, however, that Butler will be in football form, right now. But then again, by the time OTAs start most players aren't and they have to condition by getting in there and actually doing it. So, I suspect Butler will be fine going into training camp and come out ready to play ball.
GP
Go Texans!
I'm not saying he was axed purely because of his radio gig. I'm saying that whether he was cut or not, it looks like the Texans chose to NOT have a player be on that radio show anymore.
Connect this with how there's been criticism for Winston's full-on embrace of the radio show, Winston being cut, and it is possible that players are being sent a subtle signal that if you talk the talk, you better damn sure walk the walk.
He wasn't cut because of his radio gig. He was cut for dollar reasons, but I think with the exit of Winston also comes the curtain falling upon the temptation of any Texans player to risk getting their hopes up for local stardom and fanfare on the air waves.
If I'm a Texans player watching all this go down, I'm thinking twice about penciling in ANY commitments unless it's necessary from a Texans P.R. standpoint. Again, just thinking out loud on this (I tend to do that).
Honoring Earl 34
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Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I bet they asked him to restructure and he said no .
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
They produce. Winston was starting to slip.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Dude you are talking to Mr. Conspiracy Theory "I own a crystal ball into the minds of everyone."
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Its been said that they told Winston that they were not going to "insult" him by asking to restructure.
Jeez. It's a kill or be killed business.
Agreed. Which is why it has everything to do with production/salary and nothing to do with radio shows.
TexanBacker93
Veteran
This move worries me a little. Is he probably overrated? Yes. Did he miss blocks in the passing game? Yes. He was a great run blocker and I think an important part of the success we have had in that facet of the game. Overall, I think our line success is more about the sum of the parts than individual pieces. I hope they can find someone that can step in to that role. Maybe it will be Butler.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
This doesn't surprise me all that much when I think about it. Winston got found out early in the season and I wouldn't be surprised if it led to a change in assignments to cover his weaknesses.
He was earning quality starter money @ $5.5 whilst being pretty middle of the road at best in performance.
He's been a great guy to have around, and in my mind at least will be remembered as one of the key components in the Texans' rise from the dross but at some point you've got to move on from the guys who made a bunch of scrubs look exactly what they were and try and find someone on the same level as the rest of the team.
I've asked this question before in a Winston related thread and didn't get an answer, but am I right in thinking Butler doesn't really fit @ RT as well as he does at LT?
If thats the case i'm wondering how we fill that position, we took a guy very late in last years draft but I don't know if he's still on the team, maybe he was sick on PS all season, but I doubt it.
Is anyone capable of calming me down a little bit here though? For all that I understand them cutting these guys (EW, DR, JJ, all overpaid based on their current abilities, take injuries and radio shows out of the equation, its a fact) but these cuts suddenly coming off the back of the announcement that the cap will be lower than anticipated, are the Texans making well thought-out pre-meditated moves to help the team here, are they clearing space to make a splash...or...have they simply shot their bolt, are in cap hell, and having to cut players they'd planned on keeping around. I mean, as things stand they need to get a starting C, RG, RT signed, are relying on their depth at WR, ILB and will desperately need quality OLB depth too.
When the season ended we all thought we had no glaring needs but wouldn't it be nice if they got a decent WR?
I sure hope I've just over-reacted big time, its not the actually cuts that worry me, they are all positions where we could do better for our money, its the reasoning behind them.
He was earning quality starter money @ $5.5 whilst being pretty middle of the road at best in performance.
He's been a great guy to have around, and in my mind at least will be remembered as one of the key components in the Texans' rise from the dross but at some point you've got to move on from the guys who made a bunch of scrubs look exactly what they were and try and find someone on the same level as the rest of the team.
I've asked this question before in a Winston related thread and didn't get an answer, but am I right in thinking Butler doesn't really fit @ RT as well as he does at LT?
If thats the case i'm wondering how we fill that position, we took a guy very late in last years draft but I don't know if he's still on the team, maybe he was sick on PS all season, but I doubt it.
Is anyone capable of calming me down a little bit here though? For all that I understand them cutting these guys (EW, DR, JJ, all overpaid based on their current abilities, take injuries and radio shows out of the equation, its a fact) but these cuts suddenly coming off the back of the announcement that the cap will be lower than anticipated, are the Texans making well thought-out pre-meditated moves to help the team here, are they clearing space to make a splash...or...have they simply shot their bolt, are in cap hell, and having to cut players they'd planned on keeping around. I mean, as things stand they need to get a starting C, RG, RT signed, are relying on their depth at WR, ILB and will desperately need quality OLB depth too.
When the season ended we all thought we had no glaring needs but wouldn't it be nice if they got a decent WR?
I sure hope I've just over-reacted big time, its not the actually cuts that worry me, they are all positions where we could do better for our money, its the reasoning behind them.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
I just don't understand this. This is a business, you ask people to restructure all the time. Why the hell wouldn't you ask Eric Winston to restructure his deal, add a year or two and spread out some money. I just don't get it.
Winston was over rated by the media and his super agent. His play just wasn't up to par. Our line's performance sunk after the bye week. It wasn't all briesel, and they might have used that tape to decide Eric was even worse than they thought.
I'm fine with this. Kubiak can find new linemen.
I'm fine with this. Kubiak can find new linemen.
GP
Go Texans!
Cody is a Texans-produced product.
The others you stated? They handle their business. Winston and David Anderson? Media clowns.
Again, like it's been said...Winston might have cared more about the off-the-field stuff and it caught up with him. With everything that surrounds him, and for what he was being paid, he didn't handle his business.
I am not saying, once again!, that he was fired directly because of his show. I am saying his show might have played a part in his declining career in Houston because he started to slip and thought he was on of Bob's kids who are never to be hassled with.
I'm not as dense as I'm being made out to be. I'm fully aware other players and the HC have media gigs.
GP
Go Texans!
He might be worse than meets the eye? Maybe his agent goofed? Or maybe the Texans felt they could save the money and start anew at RT somehow?
Lots we don't know (yet).
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I bet Winston gets signed by another team for more than the 5 mil he was going to make with the Texans. I can't explain it, but he is so overrated by people outside of Houston for some reason???
I'm surprised, but not too disappointed. I think Butler will finally get his shot to start in this league, and he'll play well. He's an upgrade in pass pro, but a downgrade in run blocking... definitely worth the savings.
If Winston's salary was needed in order to re-sign Myers, then I'd do this every time.
I'm surprised, but not too disappointed. I think Butler will finally get his shot to start in this league, and he'll play well. He's an upgrade in pass pro, but a downgrade in run blocking... definitely worth the savings.
If Winston's salary was needed in order to re-sign Myers, then I'd do this every time.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
ProFootballFocus was shocked:
17:50 RELEASE! And this is a real shocker. So much so that even though it comes from the twitter account of Eric Winston with heartfelt thanks to the Texan fans, you kind of think he must be pulling our leg. Winston was close to making our All Pro team at right tackle, and has been one of the most consistent right tackles in the league, earning a +31.2 grade over the past three years. That has come completely out of left field and really shakes up the offensive tackle market, with the dependable and talented Winston immediately becoming the best tackle available. For a line built on continuity that move could cause issues for the Texans.
17:50 RELEASE! And this is a real shocker. So much so that even though it comes from the twitter account of Eric Winston with heartfelt thanks to the Texan fans, you kind of think he must be pulling our leg. Winston was close to making our All Pro team at right tackle, and has been one of the most consistent right tackles in the league, earning a +31.2 grade over the past three years. That has come completely out of left field and really shakes up the offensive tackle market, with the dependable and talented Winston immediately becoming the best tackle available. For a line built on continuity that move could cause issues for the Texans.
bckey
All Pro
wtf ever
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Like everyone else. WOW.
Exascor
Veteran
I'd suspect they cut him now out of respect. It gives him a chance to have his name out there for other teams to look at before the signing frenzy begins.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
This is what happens when you get good . You have to decide who's the easiest to replace to pay the ones who are the hardest to replace .
ckhouston
Veteran
May see them sign the C and RG today before deadline now that they are making room. Strange, but EW wasn't a top tier RT, just a decent player and awesome radio personality. Wish him all the best, but there seems to be a storm brewing.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Here's the problem with that, the team can sign those guys before they cut Winston. If the idea was to free up room to sign those guys, they could lock down Myers and/or Brisiel before cutting Winston. As they say, bird in one hand is better than two in the bush...
I still can't believe they couldn't trade him. Even a 3rd round pick is more than you would get in comp picks, if we qualify.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Winston was overhyped by being a good interview and his performane a few years ago, but I agree that he should have been traded for something.
Me thinks he will be hanging out with Little Shanny and RG3 this year.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
I hope this is all in keeping with the master plan for this off-season, because right now it feels a little bit like they're panicking.
In reality, trading players is a rarity in the NFL, it seems as if trades need to be instigated more by the buying team than the selling team, if you shop a guy just before FA, teams know full well the chances are you'll cut that guy if they don't bite.
I find it astonishing how people think the FO should be getting draft picks for lower tier guys, the clamor to trade Slaton last season for instance, ideas that you could trade Mario despite his being out of contract. It just doesn't happen like that. Lower tier guys tend to get traded if they are a solid backup , under contract who could start for another team (K Walter, C Myers)
or a quality starter who forces a trade (C Palmer).
I think I'm going to try and stop checking till the deadline comes around anyway, its sending me crazy lol.