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Ed Reed will miss OTA's due to hip surgery.

Earlier I voiced my strong concern over Ed Reed's "minor" surgery......and postoperative length of return to play/performance progression. Remember my emphatic statement that if he had the problem in April, he had the problem during the end of the season.....whether he hid it from the Texans, and the Texans missed it, or they minimized it and hoped he could simply rehab through it.

Dr. First was interviewed on 610 earlier today and had very much the same concerns.

Minimization is easy as seen by statements such as John McClain's on 610 this hour where he stated that it was JUST a "scope." Well, John, full major hip labrum reconstructions using grafts are now routinely performed through the arthroscope.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Earlier I voiced my strong concern over Ed Reed's "minor" surgery......and postoperative length of return to play/performance progression. Remember my emphatic statement that if he had the problem in April, he had the problem during the end of the season.....whether he hid it from the Texans, and the Texans missed it, or they minimized it and hoped he could simply rehab through it.

Dr. First was interviewed on 610 earlier today and had very much the same concerns.

Minimization is easy as seen by statements such as John McClain's on 610 this hour where he stated that it was JUST a "scope." Well, John, full major hip labrum reconstructions using grafts are now routinely performed through the arthroscope.
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Doc, I'm almost afraid to read your posts sometimes. Its like when Dr. James Andrews is mentioned regarding a player. Its almost always bad news. You're the expert here, but I'm just hoping he'll be able to give us 1 good season.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Earlier I voiced my strong concern over Ed Reed's "minor" surgery......and postoperative length of return to play/performance progression. Remember my emphatic statement that if he had the problem in April, he had the problem during the end of the season.....whether he hid it from the Texans, and the Texans missed it, or they minimized it and hoped he could simply rehab through it.

Dr. First was interviewed on 610 earlier today and had very much the same concerns.

Minimization is easy as seen by statements such as John McClain's on 610 this hour where he stated that it was JUST a "scope." Well, John, full major hip labrum reconstructions using grafts are now routinely performed through the arthroscope.
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I used to feel the same way about scopes until my latest shoulder surgery. Good grief! It took practically a year to get right. I reckon new technology allows docs to do a lot more work with "scopes". I had 4 anchors put in for the labrum tear, labral cyst removed, rotator cuff tear (forgot how many stitches) and a clavicle resection done all by scope.

My 1st surgery on my left shoulder was done back in the 90's. I can't remember what all was done, but before the surgery I used to wake up in the morning with my arm out of socket. Needless to say, I waited waaay too long to get it repaired. After the first 3 dislocations I could put my arm back into socket myself lol. Anywho, the scar after that one wraps from just under my armpit up to the top of the shoulder. Could that have been done by scope these days? I dunno
 
The unfortunate bit about getting medical opinions on athletes is that the only guys who are really qualified to answer pointed questions about a players health (aka the guys who have actually seen Ed Reed's chart) aren't legally allowed to talk about such things on public places like internet forums or radio.

While I do not doubt the knowledge of CnD or Dr. First, and I myself believe that we won't be seeing Reed during training camp, all of us are basically guessing. Some are more educated guesses than others, but in the end these are guesses that are based off of heresay, rumors and news articles, and not an actual examination of the player themselves.
 
From the 2011 CBA FYI


ARTICLE 44
INJURY GRIEVANCE
Section 1. Definition: An "Injury Grievance" is a claim or complaint that, at the time a
player's NFL Player Contract or Practice Squad Player Contract was terminated by a
Club, the player was physically unable to perform the services required of him by that
contract because of an injury incurred in the performance of his services under that
contract. All time limitations in this Article may be extended by mutual agreement of the
parties.
Section 2. Filing: Any player and/or the NFLP A must present an Injury Grievance in
writing to a Club, with a copy to the Management Council, within twenty-five (25) days
from the date it became known or should have become known to the player that his
contract had been terminated. The grievance will set forth the approximate date of the
alleged injury and its general nature. If a grievance is ftled by a player without the involvement
of the NFLP A, the Management Council will prompdy send copies of the
grievance and the answer to the NFLP A.
Section 3. Answer:
(a) The Club to which an Injury Grievance has been presented will answer in
writing within ten (1 0) days. If the answer contains a denial of the claim, the general
grounds for such denial will be set forth. The answer may raise any special defense, including
but not limited to the following:
(1) That the player did not pass the physical examination administered by the
Club physician at the beginning of the preseason training camp for the year in question.
This defense will not be available if: (i) the Player was injured during offseason workouts
at the club facility under the direction of a club official prior to not passing the physical
examination or (ii) the player participated in any team drills following his physical examination
or in any preseason or regular season game; provided, however, that the Club
physician may require the player to undergo certain exercises or activities, not team drills,
to determine whether the player will pass the physical examination;
(2) That the player failed to make full and complete disclosure of his known
physical or mental condition when questioned during a physical examination by the
Club;
(3) That the player's injury occurred prior to the physical examination and
the player knowingly executed a waiver or release prior to the physical examination or his
commencement of practice for the season in question which specifically pertained to
such prior injury;
(4) That the player's injury arose solely from a non-football-related cause
subsequent to the physical examination;
(5) That subsequent to the physical examination the player suffered no new
football-related injury;
(6) That subsequent to the physical examination the player suffered no football-
related aggravation of a prior injury reducing his physical capacity below the level
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If Reed's hip turns out to be worse than they are saying and it keeps him out an significant amount of regular season play the Texans got screwed twice. By Reed not disclosing (if he knew) the injury it prevented the Texans from switching to and signing Charles Woodson. So the Texans would get an injured player (screwed once) which prevented them from pursuing another option, Charles Woodson. (screwed twice) If Reed plays this season then this will be much ado about nothing.

Doc, according to the portion of the cba you posted is it too late now for a grievance to be filed? Or:

2- could one have been filed and we just don't know about it Or:

3-The Texans decided it isn't worth it and they will just take their chances that Reed will be ready to go for the season.
 
bckey said:
If Reed's hip turns out to be worse than they are saying and it keeps him out an significant amount of regular season play the Texans got screwed twice. By Reed not disclosing (if he knew) the injury it prevented the Texans from switching to and signing Charles Woodson. So the Texans would get an injured player (screwed once) which prevented them from pursuing another option, Charles Woodson. (screwed twice) If Reed plays this season then this will be much ado about nothing.

Doc, according to the portion of the cba you posted is it too late now for a grievance to be filed? Or:

2- could one have been filed and we just don't know about it Or:

3-The Texans decided it isn't worth it and they will just take their chances that Reed will be ready to go for the season.
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I don't know that it would be "too late," but I'm not sure that if filed now it would cover monies already paid out to Reed. In that case, it might not be productive to do so, at this time at least. I'd have to defer the definitive answer to that.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I don't know that it would be "too late," but I'm not sure that if filed now it would cover monies already paid out to Reed. In that case, it might not be productive to do so, at this time at least. I'd have to defer the definitive answer to that.
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This is what I was thinking. Hopefully Reed will heal up fast and be ready to play football this season and none of this will matter.
 
SW H-TOWN said:
Well on the bright side at least it is not as bad as Gronk, guy is falling apart.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...onkowski-probably-needs-back-surgery/related/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...gronkowski-scheduled-surgery-forearm/2192763/
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At least it wasn't due to Gronkowski possibly hiding anything.

His 4th arm surgery would be to change out the hardware, which would have been contaminated by his previously treated pus draining infection. However, if the bone infection (osteomyelitis) accounting for the last surgery and antibiotics have not entirely eradicated the infection, they will have to remove part of the infected bone..........wait until the infection is totally gone (and hopefully also delaying placing a new set of hardware [that can again be contaminated by the continuing infection] after removing the existing hardware.......unlike what was done last surgery).........then a 5th surgery to possibly bone graft support the missing portion of bone (if large enough) + or - supportive hardware again (which at one point in time further in the future would then require a 6th surgery for removal of new hardware)...........It all depends on what they find during the 4th arm surgery infection-wise.

Furthermore, if there are any residual signs of infection in the arm, they will not be proceeding with the back surgery. His back surgery will be a minimally invasive disc procedure. Sounds quick and easy, but the recovery is still at least ~5 months. For those that don't remember, he had similar minimally invasive back disc (microdiscectomy) surgery in 2009 and missed the entire season.

I don't envy Gronk.
 
SW H-TOWN said:
Well on the bright side at least it is not as bad as Gronk, guy is falling apart.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...onkowski-probably-needs-back-surgery/related/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...gronkowski-scheduled-surgery-forearm/2192763/
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CloakNNNdagger said:
At least it wasn't due to Gronkowski possibly hiding anything.

His 4th arm surgery would be to change out the hardware, which would have been contaminated by his previously treated pus draining infection. However, if the bone infection (osteomyelitis) accounting for the last surgery and antibiotics have not entirely eradicated the infection, they will have to remove part of the infected bone..........wait until the infection is totally gone (and hopefully also delaying placing a new set of hardware [that can again be contaminated by the continuing infection] after removing the existing hardware.......unlike what was done last surgery).........then a 5th surgery to possibly bone graft support the missing portion of bone (if large enough) + or - supportive hardware again (which at one point in time further in the future would then require a 6th surgery for removal of new hardware)...........It all depends on what they find during the 4th arm surgery infection-wise.

Furthermore, if there are any residual signs of infection in the arm, they will not be proceeding with the back surgery. His back surgery will be a minimally invasive disc procedure. Sounds quick and easy, but the recovery is still at least ~5 months. For those that don't remember, he had similar minimally invasive back disc (microdiscectomy) surgery in 2009 and missed the entire season.

I don't envy Gronk.
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Yea, if Ed Reed did not mention his problem or the Texans knew about the injury and gave him that kind of contract...either way it's bad IMO.

As for Gronk, he does not seem to heal like Adrian Peterson to say the least.
 
It is what it is. Doesn't really make sense to dole on it now.

He's either going to play or he won't. If he plays, great. I think he can help out that side of the ball tremendously. More-so for his approach, demeanor, savvy, and what not.

If he doesn't play, Bob is out a bit of money, we'll probably carry about $5M of dead money for the next three years. Problem yes. . Insurmountable, no.

So let's cross our fingers & hope for the best.
 
thunderkyss said:
It is what it is. Doesn't really make sense to dole on it now.

He's either going to play or he won't. If he plays, great. I think he can help out that side of the ball tremendously. More-so for his approach, demeanor, savvy, and what not.

If he doesn't play, Bob is out a bit of money, we'll probably carry about $5M of dead money for the next three years. Problem yes. . Insurmountable, no.

So let's cross our fingers & hope for the best.
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I think IF Ed Reed knew then to me that doesn't say very good things about his character. Of course in this day and age I'm sure there are many that would defend his actions. Its a selfish world with rapidly eroding morals.

And yes TK I think you could say that there isn't even 1 Texan fan not hoping for the best.
 
The Collective Bargaining Agreement ratified by the NFLPA in 2011 has several sections that place the burden on the player. The most applicable is under Article 44, Injury Grievance. In Section 3 (a) (2), one of the grounds for denial of a grievance is “That the player failed to make full and complete disclosure of his known physical or mental condition when questioned during a physical examination by the Club.”

Under this protection, the Texans could conceivably release Reed from his contract due to the injury. The club might even recoup the deferred portion of his signing bonus. This is unlikely to happen, and any recent cases where this has occurred have been difficult to identify.

In all probability, the former Raven will be on the roster of the 2013 Houston Texans-although it may take four to six months to recover from the surgery, according to Dr. First.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=houston-texans
 
Saw this article in the chron today; http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/05/ed-reed-rehabbing-in-colorado-as-otas-begin/ and there were several things that caught my eye.

First was this bit of good news about Sharpton;
Though defensive coordinator Wade Phillips said inside linebacker Darryl Sharpton wasn’t cleared two weeks ago, Sharpton was cleared in time for today’s practice, in which he participated fully.
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Second was this quote from Kubes about Brooks Reed;
“Brooks is repping inside, so that lets (draft picks) Trevardo (Williams) and Sam (Montgomery) work with the first and second group, and (Bryan) Braman rep with the first group,” Kubiak said. “Brooks can always move. … Brooks can play outside tomorrow.”
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Rey said:
So Braman was the starting OLB today?
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That's what it sounds like Rey. As many have questioned here prior and the consensus seemed to be that he wasn't ready yet...pass recognition, run stopping ability and the such. Great to hear that Wade seems like he's up to speed enough to at least look at running with the ones. One more body to keep Brooks on the inside though the team storyline has poo-pooed it from day one.

I really liked the tweet about Brooks preferring to play inside. I think he'll be a hoss beside #56!

And poof, there goes the ILB concerns!
 
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b0ng said:
The unfortunate bit about getting medical opinions on athletes is that the only guys who are really qualified to answer pointed questions about a players health (aka the guys who have actually seen Ed Reed's chart) aren't legally allowed to talk about such things on public places like internet forums or radio.

While I do not doubt the knowledge of CnD or Dr. First, and I myself believe that we won't be seeing Reed during training camp, all of us are basically guessing. Some are more educated guesses than others, but in the end these are guesses that are based off of heresay, rumors and news articles, and not an actual examination of the player themselves.
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Guesses made by Dr. First and CND are educated guesses that are backed up by experience. I wouldn't question their educated guesses.
 
A new article out today about electronic medical records reporting for players. Of course the article brings up the Ed Reed situation. Here is an excerpt:


Eight teams, including the New York Giants, Pittsburgh Steelers and San Francisco 49ers, are participating in the first stage of what the league calls "electronic medical records" reporting starting this offseason. EMR will be a comprehensive database for information on player injuries that a league source said will help eliminate troubling disclosures after an acquisition such as the one brought up in the Reed case.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--source--nfl-teams-implementing-electronic-medical-records-system-for-protection-from-undisclosed-injuries-215808776.html
 
FWIW, recent release from Scurfield at HT.Com:

Free safety Ed Reed has not been at Texans OTAs while recovering from hip surgery, but the Texans expect him to be ready for the start of the regular season.

Reed had minor surgery in late April, about a month after signing with the Texans from the Baltimore Ravens. The nine-time Pro Bowler is expected to leave Colorado, where he had the surgery, later this week.

“We know what we know,” Texans coach Gary Kubiak said on Tuesday. “He had the surgery. Everything went well. He went through the process of staying in Colorado, which was part of the deal, part of the rehab process. Now, he’s supposed to be turned loose this week. Everything that we know is on schedule and our expectations are to look at camp at some point and be ready to go at the opening of the season.”
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Indeed, "We know what we know."
 
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