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Early 2010 Draft Outlook

I'm not gonna lie. I would take Berry with the #1 overall pick if I had it. He is that good.
 
bah007 said:
I'm not gonna lie. I would take Berry with the #1 overall pick if I had it. He is that good.
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Me too, no doubt. I am pumped about the guy, and would love a trade up for him, as long as we dont give up a future first. Something like this years first and second, and next years second maybe.

Wolf6151 said:
Here's my latest incredibly early 2010 mock, but remember that alot of this hinges on whether or not Dunta is back next year or not. Alot of this list came from me and from good suggestions from rmartin65 and TexansSeminole.

1. Morgan Burnett-SS, gives us a true SS who also has great coverage skills and not afraid to play the run. We need a ballhawk. I'd love to have Berry or Mays but both of these guys will be gone by the time we pick and would cost way to much to move up that high. If Dunta leaves then our priorities change and we go for Trevard Lindley-CB.

2. Vince Oghobaase-DT/NT, 6'06" and 310 lbs. obviously has the frame to add some weight and from what I've read it's not fat. He goes to Duke so I assume that he's pretty inteligent as well, rare commodity now a days. I have my doubts that he'll still be available but for now he's graded as a 2nd rounder. I think he'll score really high at the combine and move up into the mid to late 1st round, but there are alot of good DT's next year and we can hope that he falls.

3. Sergio Render or Thomas Austin-OG, Chester Pitts is getting older, has been injured lately, and is in the last year of his contract. IMO he's not worth a huge FA contract but if he's reasonable, resign him. If we resign him we still have upgrade needs at RG, Brisiel is a liability and drafting Caldwell last year was a great idea but he can't play the C and both G positions at the same time. Hopefully we resign Pitts for a home town discount, move Caldwell to C, and replace Brisiel with either Render or Austin.

4. This is where I get stuck. A. Myron Rolle-SS, we move Burnett to FS and Rolle is our more traditional SS great against the run but I wonder about his ability in pass coverage though he's got great speed and size, later round steal potential here. B. Anthony Dixon-RB, we leave Burnett at SS, wait til 2011 to find a good FS or hope to get lucky in the 5th round. Dixon provides us with a power runner who's cheaper, younger, and healthier than Brown.

5. Ed Wang-OT, we need the depth at OT. Rashad Butler is the only depth we have at OT right now.

5. I think the conditional pick from the TJ trade will turn into a 5th rounder. Jordan Lake or Robert Vaughn-FS, both seem to have good numbers and we can hope that we get lucky. If they don't replace Eugene Wilson then at least we get better quality depth.

6. Mitch Petrus-OG, again Brisiel needs to be replaced and we need better depth that Casey Studdard who got manhandled by Tampas 2nd and 3rd string players.

7. Zoltan Mesko-P, probably our only chance to get a guy named Zoltan. He's younger and much cheaper than Turk.


I know that's 3 SS/FS in this draft but it's easily the weakest part of our team and needs fixing. Whoever doesn't start will be much better quality depth than what we have now. Also Safeties should be good on special teams with speed and tackling ability. The addition of 2 Guards probably moves Studdard off the team and moves Brisiel to a backup spot where he belongs. A late round QB isn't out of the question either, someone to stash away on the PS and develope.

Opinions?
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Your first two picks are money. I am starting to look up some more info on Burnett, and I like it. 3rd best safety in the draft, but would be the number one in quite a few. Good pick for where we should be picking.

Oghobaase, enough said. Some DT's have to drop, I hope its him. Suh, Jones, Odrick, Oghobaase, McCoy, Austin and Marsh all have first round talent. Some will drop.

I dont like grabbing Render here. I dont have him being drafted. Austin would be a fair pick here, if we go OG. I think a power back here, so I am still pushing for Stanford's Toby Gerhart.

I dont like the idea of drafting 3 safeties, but I might agree with Rolle here. If he is gone, I would look at OG since I passed them over last round. I would look for someone who plays with a bit of an attitude (remembering the enforcer thread), someone like Arkansas' Mitch Petrus or Texas Tech's Brandon Carter (I worry about Carter's mobility though).

I agree with the need for OT depth.

I think Petrus will be one by the sixth. He is a good player, if he is here we should definitely take him. If not, I want a special team guy, a wide receiver or a linebacker.I am still touting my two small school receivers, Andre Roberts and Kelton Tindal.

I like Zoltan, but I dont like using picks on punters. I would not be upset with the pick at all, but maybe if there is a quarterback with potential...

All in all, good draft.
 
rmartin65 said:
Me too, no doubt. I am pumped about the guy, and would love a trade up for him, as long as we dont give up a future first. Something like this years first and second, and next years second maybe.
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Nobody is worth a first and a second, let alone an additional future 2nd, IMO.
Next year look to be pretty deep (first two rounds) and we still need to fill the need at more than one position.
 
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76Texan said:
Nobody is worth a first and a second, let alone an additional future 2nd, IMO.
Next year look to be pretty deep (first two rounds) and we still need to feel the need at more than one position.
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You are probably right, not 1,2,2. But I think I would do my one this year and 2 next year. Berry is a special player.
 
Eric Berry would have to be the next Ronnie Lott from the get go for me to trade up. I'm just not a big fan of trading up unless you are in a few different scenarios.

#1 - Need franchise QB and you see a guy you think can be it, or there's a franchise type player like an AJ, Adrian Peterson, or even a Joe Thomas caliber LT.

#2 Almost to the playoffs or SB and you think a certain player can get you over the hump.

#3 Weak draft and there's a significant drop off in talent past 15-20.

Smart teams know when to make a move, but the rest of the time they are trying to trade back and get more picks.
 
bah007 said:
I would take Berry, Mays, or Burnett all before Cody. But then again, I'm not that high on Cody at all. He is a one dimensional player and I wouldn't use a first round pick on him.

He is great at what he does (stuffing gaps). But I don't want to use a first on a two down guy.
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I haven't got the time to break down all the plays, but I can tell you that Cody was double team more than BJ Raji (who was a year ahead) - Talking about last year here!

I took a quick count of the Bama-VTech game in the first qtr.
There were 12 offensive plays for the Hokies, Cody was in 10 of them.
5 double teams, and they couldn't push him back.
1 combo block when another guy came quickly to the rescue of the first blocker.
4 one-on-ones and he got advantage on all four.

1. He pushed the guy into the running lane, the RB cut back for 3 yard.
2. He disengaged off his man, and came to the runner. Don't know if got the assist or not.
3. They try to cut block him, but he got past his man and got into Taylor's face.
4. He got cut block, but got up quickly and came back as the runner was tackled. He laid down a hit ahead of the runner, but his teammate made a good tackle, the runner fell short of the hit.

Anyway, at the moment, we don't know where he's slated to go in the draft, how can we say that he's overrated?
I'm thinking that I like him better than BJ Raji, and I expect us to draft in the early 20's or so; I don't think he's overrated in that slot (at this moment).
 
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Goldensilence said:
Eric Berry would have to be the next Ronnie Lott from the get go for me to trade up. I'm just not a big fan of trading up unless you are in a few different scenarios.

#1 - Need franchise QB and you see a guy you think can be it, or there's a franchise type player like an AJ, Adrian Peterson, or even a Joe Thomas caliber LT.

#2 Almost to the playoffs or SB and you think a certain player can get you over the hump.

#3 Weak draft and there's a significant drop off in talent past 15-20.

Smart teams know when to make a move, but the rest of the time they are trying to trade back and get more picks.
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^^^^^

At any rate, I'd like to see more of this trio Mays/Berry/Burnett to decide if one of them is that "special" guy even though I like all 3 of them and have watched them a lot.
 
Goldensilence said:
Eric Berry would have to be the next Ronnie Lott from the get go for me to trade up. I'm just not a big fan of trading up unless you are in a few different scenarios.

#1 - Need franchise QB and you see a guy you think can be it, or there's a franchise type player like an AJ, Adrian Peterson, or even a Joe Thomas caliber LT.

#2 Almost to the playoffs or SB and you think a certain player can get you over the hump.

#3 Weak draft and there's a significant drop off in talent past 15-20.

Smart teams know when to make a move, but the rest of the time they are trying to trade back and get more picks.
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#1 - Yea, I think Berry is a franchise player. A difference maker in the secondary, something this team has sorely lacked.

#2 - I think we fit here, one or two players and we should have a good run.

#3 - Ok, you got me here. This draft is strong, all the way through. That is why trading next years second is what I would prefer.
 
Would you trade next years #1 and Kevin Walter for Eric Berry? We're deep at WR and could afford to lose him, this is Walter's last year under contract. We could put the transition tag on him if we can't get him to resign for a reasonable rate and then trade him. Any bad team like the Lions, Chiefs, or Rams could use arguably the best #2 WR in the league. Sound like a good trade?
 
Wolf6151 said:
Would you trade next years #1 and Kevin Walter for Eric Berry? We're deep at WR and could afford to lose him, this is Walter's last year under contract. We could put the transition tag on him if we can't get him to resign for a reasonable rate and then trade him. Any bad team like the Lions, Chiefs, or Rams could use arguably the best #2 WR in the league. Sound like a good trade?
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Whoa, that is a tough one... If we cant get Walter at a reasonable rate, and there is a taker, I would be in a difficult situation. It depends on just how much he is asking for.
 
painekiller said:
Rolle did not jump at me last night against Miami, but I know his is a solid player also.
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That's because he is in Oxford on a Rhodes Scholarship.

Wolf6151 said:
4. This is where I get stuck. A. Myron Rolle-SS, we move Burnett to FS and Rolle is our more traditional SS great against the run but I wonder about his ability in pass coverage though he's got great speed and size, later round steal potential here.
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I seriously doubt Rolle gets past the 3rd round whenever he does commit to the draft. FSU's DC Mickey Andrews said Rolle was the most complete safety he's had in the 25 years he's been at FSU.
 
I'd also like to go on the record again and say I would trade this years first and even next years first if need be for Eric Berry. That Kevin Walter and this years first rounder to move up would be fine by me too.

He is that good.

My record is here and here

I like this too..
 
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Somebody should start a thread on safety and we can put some notes in there to check on these guys before we can proclaim "the next Ronnie Lott"! :kingkong:
 
As the QB play was terrible last week, I thought I would give a quick list of my top 10 draft eligible QB's.

1) Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
2) Jevan Snead, Ole Miss
3) Colt McCoy, Texas
4) Tim Tebow, Florida
5) Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame
6) Dan LeFavour, Central Michigan
7) Tony Pike, Cincinnati
8) Tim Hiller, Western Michigan
9) Jake Locker, Washington
10) Rusty Smith, Florida Atlantic

Overrated: Zac Robinson, Oklahoma State
Sleeper: Todd Reesing, Kansas
Small School: John Skelton, Fordham
 
How 'bout:

Trade 1st, 3rd, a 5th, and 7th for Berry
Then trade 2nd, 4th, the other 5th, and 6th for Mays

Happy Draft!!
 
mussop said:
I would actually be happy with that draft!
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Me too

Add Casey Hampton or Richard Seymour in FA and the Texans would have a real defense for the 1st time in their history.

But Uncle BoB would have to pony up the money.

I'ts not going to happen.
 
Please no Spread QB's, and no QB's that went to school in the state of Texas. I can't think of one successful QB from a Texas school that was ever successful in the NFL recently.
 
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mussop said:
I would actually be happy with that draft!
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As much as I'd like everyone to think that post was a joke....

...if the possibility of it happening was real and if this sort of thing was my job it would happen so fast the entire NFL's head would spin. Not only would I do it, I'd do it then hold a press conference and all I would do is walk out and say "HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES?!?" and walk off.
 
TimeKiller said:
As much as I'd like everyone to think that post was a joke....

...if the possibility of it happening was real and if this sort of thing was my job it would happen so fast the entire NFL's head would spin. Not only would I do it, I'd do it then hold a press conference and all I would do is walk out and say "HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES?!?" and walk off.
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I'd disown the team if you did that.
 
CoastalTexan said:
Please no Spread QB's, and no QB's that went to school in the state of Texas. I can't think of one successful QB from a Texas school that was ever successful in the NFL recently.
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Drew Brees went to Westlake HS in Austin...if you are counting HS football.
 
TimeKiller said:
How 'bout:

Trade 1st, 3rd, a 5th, and 7th for Berry
Then trade 2nd, 4th, the other 5th, and 6th for Mays

Happy Draft!!
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Taylor Mays at SS
Eric Berry at FS
It'll never happen but that would be a nice haul, we'd have the Safety positions secured for years to come. Only problem I see with that is we still need a real starter at OG.
 
Wolf6151 said:
Taylor Mays at SS
Eric Berry at FS
It'll never happen but that would be a nice haul, we'd have the Safety positions secured for years to come. Only problem I see with that is we still need a real starter at OG.
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Probably have to give up first four rounds to get these guys so we'd be picking back ups with remainder. Maybe we could trade a 6th and Myers for a guard?
 
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