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Dustin Keller injury... wow

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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Dolphins TE Dustin Keller tore his ACL, MCL, PCL and, as if that weren't enough, dislocated his knee, per source.
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Armando Salguero ‏@ArmandoSalguero
Three torn ligaments and a dislocated kneecap for Dustin Keller. Docs also fear nerve damage. Career is on the line
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Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
Swearinger told me last night he got 3 helmet to helmet penalties at S Carolina that cost his team. That's when he taught himself to go low.
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Swearinger hopes Keller recovers quickly

"With the rules in this era you’ve got to hit low," Swearinger said. "If I would have hit him high, I would have gotten a fine. So I think I made the smartest play. I’m sorry it happened and I pray he has a speedy recovery. ... Right now it’s just instinct. You see somebody come across the middle, you gotta go low. You’re going to cost your team 15 yards. You’ve got to play within the rules."
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DJ Swearinger ‏@JungleBoi_Swagg
Everybody pray 4 Dustin Keller....I pray you have a speedy recovery bro...and kill it when you get back.... DEFINITELY wasn't intentional..
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well now after this season you will not be allowed to go low anymore either. I wonder if the flags will be team color coordinated or if they will use the generic yellow flags for flag football. But then that would conflict with the refs flags.

Oh well either way i wont be watching :kitten:
 
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli
RT @RapSheet : To add Dustin Keller's
woes (torn ACL, MCL, PCL, dislocated
knee cap), @ArmandoSalguero says docs
fear nerve damage. Scary.


Looked as bad as bad as it sounds. That's what Goodell wanted. Players to go low. Avoid the head. Well Roger, ask Keller where he would have rather got hit last night.
 
Aaaaaaand that's why guys like to get hit up high.

The problem with the rules that I have is that they penalize for incidental contact instead of blatant head hunting. They don't take into account natural football movement.

So now you're going to have more guys getting hit down low. I don't like to see that for any player.

But instead of reversing and allowing some leeway for defenders you're going to have the league now say you can't take away the legs and now wr's will start to get qb treatment.
 
htowntexans1985 said:
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli
RT @RapSheet : To add Dustin Keller's
woes (torn ACL, MCL, PCL, dislocated
knee cap), @ArmandoSalguero says docs
fear nerve damage. Scary.


Looked as bad as bad as it sounds. That's what Goodell wanted. Players to go low. Avoid the head. Well Roger, ask Keller where he would have rather got hit last night.
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The knee cap dislocation is the least of all of his problems. As I've mentioned before, you can take for granted knee JOINT dislocation with combined ACL, MCL, and PCL ruptures. And you can also take for granted that there would be significant meniscus tears.

As for the nerve damage. The nerve that is in question is the peroneal nerve, a nerve that lies superficial at the lateral portion of the knee, poorly protected without any overlying cushioning. It can sustain a direct crush injury due to the hard hit to the lateral knee, or can be torn (sometimes in 2) by a shearing caused by knee joint or even patellar (knee cap) dislocation.

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If this nerve is damaged, it can cause some areas of lower leg anesthesia (sensory loss)............

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but most worrisome, it can cause "foot drop" [the loss of ability to flex your foot upwards.....a motion that you need just to walk] (motor loss).
 
EllisUnit said:
http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...ear-(Tears-ACL-MCL-PCL-knee-dislocated)/page5

Dolphins calling DJ, dirty. Thats B.S even after he apologized. DJ is right the NFL has made high hits illegal so now days players are taught to tackle low.
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Hopkins was also hurt before that by result of a low tackle as well, I forgot who hit him though but it was a low hit. The only difference is that Hopkins leg was not planted as firmly as Keller's.

At this point I hope Keller is able to play in the NFL again, his injury sounds career threatening. Hate that it happens, but DJ did what so many players do. I hope the NFL doesn't respond next year by saying "You only must wrap up now." would ruin the league IMO.
 
My main concern about this play is that after the League reviews it, they will come up with Swearinger "leading with the helmet."
 
EllisUnit said:
http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...ear-(Tears-ACL-MCL-PCL-knee-dislocated)/page5

Dolphins calling DJ, dirty. Thats B.S even after he apologized. DJ is right the NFL has made high hits illegal so now days players are taught to tackle low.
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Then you're seeing something I'm not... Dustin Keller is in mid air. Swearinger is trying to get him low. He misjudges how low he needs to get. Dustin plants and Swearinger gets him in the knee. As soon as he saw Keller injured, he looked concerned and went over to him.

Swearinger shouldn't have dropped his head. Plain and simple. It's never a good idea to do that. Head up, eyes up, and perhaps this doesn't happen. Bad form? OK. Intentional? Come on...
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Swearinger's hit was legal and clean. I IMO, don't like those type of hits, but it's still a clean hit.
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The others are just trying to take care of their guys, just like we would. Remeber the crap we said about the guy that took out Cush? Or what we said about Joe Mays when he popped Schaub?
 
thunderkyss said:
The others are just trying to take care of their guys, just like we would. Remeber the crap we said about the guy that took out Cush? Or what we said about Joe Mays when he popped Schaub?
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Both of those were flagged and fined hits, one with a suspension.
 
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The others are just trying to take care of their guys, just like we would. Remeber the crap we said about the guy that took out Cush? Or what we said about Joe Mays when he popped Schaub?
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Of course there's a different set of rules for blocking vs tackling.
 
I made this comment today while watching the replay. Basically, we talk about what a guy should or shouldn't have done. It isn't like they have time to run thru a multiple possibility scenario before acting. It is a split second, instinct decision. Training and muscle memory come into play. Ascribing motives is a bit much in this situation.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The knee cap dislocation is the least of all of his problems. As I've mentioned before, you can take for granted knee JOINT dislocation with combined ACL, MCL, and PCL ruptures. And you can also take for granted that there would be significant meniscus tears.

As for the nerve damage. The nerve that is in question is the peroneal nerve, a nerve that lies superficial at the lateral portion of the knee, poorly protected without any overlying cushioning. It can sustain a direct crush injury due to the hard hit to the lateral knee, or can be torn (sometimes in 2) by a shearing caused by knee joint or even patellar (knee cap) dislocation.

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If this nerve is damaged, it can cause some areas of lower leg anesthesia (sensory loss)............

mckfig3.jpg


but most worrisome, it can cause "foot drop" [the loss of ability to flex your foot upwards.....a motion that you need just to walk] (motor loss).
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If I am reading you correctly, keller could not only have his career over, but there is a (negative) realistic chance that he won't walk correctly
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
If I am reading you correctly, keller could not only have his career over, but there is a (negative) realistic chance that he won't walk correctly
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If the nerve were only bruised or only stretched, he still has a good chance of having the nerve "go to sleep" with loss of varying function for as long as 1-2 years to fully rehab........some do not return full function. If this injury resulted in true crushing or tearing apart of the nerve with or without the decision to surgically repair, you can expect the potential of much lesser return to no functional return, as determined at the 2 year mark. Either way, this part of the injury could easily be devastating to a football player's career....and possibly change his out-of-sport life forever.
 
Has there ever been a study regarding career ending injuries by position played? I know RBs have a short shelf life. QBs a lengthy career. Wonder what the numbers are for offensive vs. defensive players?
 
Lucky said:
Has there ever been a study regarding career ending injuries by position played? I know RBs have a short shelf life. QBs a lengthy career. Wonder what the numbers are for offensive vs. defensive players?
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No! only return to play studies, such as ACL studies showing 20% no return, etc., and isolated lists of players from various sources..........but not compilation data that I am aware of.
 
Feel very bad for this young man, as he had an injury-filled 2012 season dealing with hamstrings and a severe high ankle sprain. He refused a multi year deal with the Dolphins in lieu of his 1 year deal because he felt he was worth more and wanted to prove his worth this year, playing for a better contract. He definitely demonstrated some great chemistry with Tannehill.
 
Brian Hartline: Swearinger's excuse on Keller hit was 'crap'

Dolphins right tackle Tyson Clabo was critical of the Texans rookie after Houston's 24-17 win, and Miami receiver Brian Hartline isn't buying what Swearinger is selling, either.

"Crap. I mean, I think that, me personally ... (what) you're telling me is 'Oh, I'm still worried about going high or hurting the head,'" Hartline told WQAM-AM on Tuesday.

"So you consciously went low then, is what you're trying to tell me," Hartline said. "... I'm not a defensive player. So I don't sit here and assume right off the bat. But what I do know is that I have a lot of good pros on my team and, from what they have said to me, is that (there) is no place for that in the game today."...
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Rey said:
Aaaaaaand that's why guys like to get hit up high.

The problem with the rules that I have is that they penalize for incidental contact instead of blatant head hunting. They don't take into account natural football movement.

So now you're going to have more guys getting hit down low. I don't like to see that for any player.

But instead of reversing and allowing some leeway for defenders you're going to have the league now say you can't take away the legs and now wr's will start to get qb treatment.
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yep. These kinds of injuries were predicted when the league started going after incidental contact. I expect to see more of them. Hate it, but it is what they are teaching players to avoid getting fined and suspended.
 
HJam72 said:
1. Don't hit them in the helmet.

2. Don't hit them at or below knees.

New coaching technique: Aim for the GROIN. :kubepalm:
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The NFL will need to start hiring MLB umpires to help officiate games to make calls in the strike zone.
 
Seth Payne ‏@PayneNFL
Never heard of an unwritten rule against tackling low, which is why you see it IN EVERY SINGLE NFL GAME.
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Pete Prisco ‏@PriscoCBS
So there is heat on Swearinger for the tackle on Keller? Don't go high, so where can you tackle?
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What are they going to do when a guy gets hit in the chest and gets his sternum cracked or broken?

I've seen it happen. Twice.
 
Rey said:
What are they going to do when a guy gets hit in the chest and gets his sternum cracked or broken?

I've seen it happen. Twice.
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That is a nasty injury. I've cared for several patients with a fractured sternum Two died. The mortality has be found to be between 25 and 45 %, due to associated injuries to the underlying aorta, heart, and lung structures.

Fred Smooth I think was a DB for the Redskins, who suffered a fracture of the sternum. I heard an interview where he related that he couldn't stand up straight and had to sleep in a recliner for 4 months because he couldn't lie flat in bed either.

If I remember correctly , Dwight Howard also had this injury some years ago and was out of commission for quite a while.
 
It´s pretty easy: when you have some of the fastest and strongest man go at each other full speed and force, you will have injuries. No matter where you hit them. But that`s football. You can change the rules again and only allow wrap up tackling and hits to the upper body - we would see way more flags and I don`t think that much less injuries. If you want to have this game injury free, you need to eliminate the hits - and if you do that, you can as well just stop playing it.
 
The whining and crying by Dolphin fans on the ESPN boards is unbearable. I'm not sure what their thin-skin is more upset by, the injury to Keller or their innocent little man Incognito. One Dolphin fan is urging that Smith be charged with attempted murder.
 
gwallaia said:
The whining and crying by Dolphin fans on the ESPN boards is unbearable. I'm not sure what their thin-skin is more upset by, the injury to Keller or their innocent little man Incognito. One Dolphin fan is urging that Smith be charged with attempted murder.
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Yeah, I've seen this too. The way they talk it's like we derailed their soon-to-be Superbowl run or something
 
Man do we suddenly look like the dirtiest team in the NFL after 2 pre season games :lol:

And who were they calling soft :kitten:
 
Dustin Keller, do you want to know why your knee was unintentionally blown out by rookie DJ Swearinger? Just ask rookie Jon Bostic about the $21K fine the NFL just gave him for his clean hit to the chest of Mike Willie. Ridiculous!!!
 
A buddy was trying to play devil's advocate last night by saying that Swearinger should have wrapped him up instead of tackling low.

I 'won' the debate by simply pointing out that a player who is in the process of wrapping up can be easily penalized if the receiver just tucks his head. A defender cannot go Matrix and change his trajectory in mid-air, so it leaves him in the position of trying to do the right thing but at the mercy of the receiver who can position himself to get hit high.

We are going to see more of these kinds of leg injuries as a result of the league's severe policy on incidental contact. Defenders will have no choice if they want to be sure that they won't get flagged and penalized by a system that continuously elevates the fines.

I understand how Dolphins fans feels, but they need to direct their ire toward the NFL, not the individual player who is just trying to play within ever-narrowing rules.
 
Jon Bostic reportedly fined $21,000 for hit against Chargers; LINK

...Bostic was fined $21,000 for a hit against the Chargers in last week’s preseason game.

Briggs compared Bostic’s hit to the one that knocked Dolphins tight end Dustin Keller out for the season and, as many others have done with similar hits, wondered why the former is illegal while the latter is legal. Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network confirmed Briggs’ report and adds that Bostic was fined for lowering his head while hitting a defenseless receiver.
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VIDEO LINK
 
NFL calling it "lowering his head against a defensless receiver", not the new "leading with the helmet rule"...I call it something different. Willie took two steps in Bostics direction after catching the ball. NFL will now require all defensive players to behead themselves and hold it under their arms so that they will lead with their shoulder pads.
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That was a NASTY hit. That guy's going to accidentally hit somebody in the head (eventually), and they are not going to wake up while at the same address.
 
disaacks3 said:
I was thinking Crown (of the helmet) ON the jewels. :eek:
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Had a guy I played with in high school that was Swearingered directly in the jewels (non-intentional when he coming down from a catch). Basically went to the hospital for a week-10 days and did not walk correctly 1 month or so. did eventually play again and apparently no long-term damage to his ability to have a family.

Of course, as "sensitive" teenage dudes, we gave him the name "grape nuts"
 
Bostic hit was fined?!

Lmao!!!!hahaaaahhaaa.....bwahhhaaahaaaa...:spit:

NFL called the play spectacular at first. Then fined him later.

Lmao!!!!!

Too many ridiculous fines and flags these days. I will not hesitate to stop watching when it becomes unwatchable.
 
Rey said:
Bostic hit was fined?!

Lmao!!!!hahaaaahhaaa.....bwahhhaaahaaaa...:spit:

NFL called the play spectacular at first. Then fined him later.

Lmao!!!!!

Too many ridiculous fines and flags these days. I will not hesitate to stop watching when it becomes unwatchable.
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Brandon Harris was also just fined $21k for his shot on that receiver. Swearinger may be a rookie but he had an extra $21k in pocket today.
 
Seriously though...that bostic find saddens me. I had forgot about the Watt fine last year and the one his rookie year against the colts. This stuff is starting to put a damper on my excitement for the season.
 
Playoffs said:
I thought same until it was slowed down...

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I can see their point but I don't support the fine/trend.
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I remembered the hit & thought they're out of their minds.

then I saw a blown up photo from the front side of the receiver where it looked like Bostic put his helmet into the receiver's chest & I was like.... "eh.. I see their point."

Now after watching your slow mo... looks like he was trying to get his head down, away from the receiver's helmet & most of the impact was on his shoulder, not his helmet.

I honestly don't know what to make of the whole thing
 
I realize everyone will have their opinions on all this stuff, and that's fine. I'm not going to argue about what hits I think should and shouldn't be allowed anymore. I just find it comically sad at this point. So, whatever...
 
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