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Does anyone still think that Dunta is a #1 cornerback? After 2 games now he's picking up right where he left off last year, getting exposed by elite wide receivers in this league. His excuse last year was that we used the 3-4 and he complained about it, what his excuse this year. Don't get me wrong, he's a good talent, but he needs to be on the defensive right side of the ball and let a bigger corner with good smarts be the #1 guy. So Far Stallworth and Harrison have torched him with T.O. and Chambers coming up.
 
Giving Dunta the benefit of the doubt I think that his covering skills would dramatically improve if he knew he could rely on the safties. Every corner gets beat now and again, but his job is made doubly tough by having backups starting in the rest of the secondary.

I did notice in yesterdays game he didn't try very hard to tackle people late in the game when it was out of control. I have a feeling he will be leaving for greener pastures when his contract is up. The team will have to be better for that not to happen.
 
I agree with both of your posts. He needs help from the safeties, but he needs to play better himself when he's 1 on 1 with the receiver. He has been getting picked on and he's losing the battle. I don't know what schemes are being called for them to run though. This may have something to do with him being out of position on some plays. :twocents:
 
PowerfulDragon said:
Why did he throw his hands up in confusion during that one play?
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He may have been looking for a flag for pushing off during the cut but you do that after the play, not during.

Ses--TO is out 2-4 weeks.
 
T.O should be back when we play Dallas, thats about 4 weeks away.
 
PowerfulDragon said:
Why did he throw his hands up in confusion during that one play?
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I thought it was frustration with the safeties, but I'm guessing and eager to change my mind about it.
 
D-Rob is not a cover corner and probably never will be...IMO he is a small SS...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
D-Rob is not a cover corner and probably never will be...IMO he is a small SS...
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I completely disagree. I think he has the potential to be an elite cover corner in the NFL.

He has obviously had issues in the 1st two games, but again, I have to agree with the other post that said a lot of it is safety help. If we're playing zone and he has the underneath route and expects safety help over the top and the safety is no where in the picture, it obviously looks like he got beat. When in reality the safety was supposed to be there. How often this is the case is only truly known by our coaching staff.

There is no excuse for the one-on-one match-ups however...he needs to improve. Again, the "one-on-one" match-ups may just seem that way b/c our safety was completely out of play...I don't think that is too far of a stretch after what I've seen from them the 1st two games.
 
In my opinion the safeties are terrible, McCleon was available for a reason, Sanders is decent but needs to be more head strong, and Dunta has no will right now. In his first season and a half he would pursue tackles and try to flatten guys, not anymore.

Also i'm going to throw some blame the way of Richard Smith. I saw us playing cover 2 at times, and each time they threw the ball up the middle. You cannot implement the same defense that your opponent practices against. Lastly, and I hope i'm wrong but, I think we were running the prevent also, so I can't expect much from the front four if we do that, meaning they can't get pressure on the QB and that gives him all day and the recievers have a long time to get open. So when the gameplan changes I can further evaluate Dunta.
 
AustinJB said:
I completely disagree. I think he has the potential to be an elite cover corner in the NFL.
He has obviously had issues in the 1st two games, but again, I have to agree with the other post that said a lot of it is safety help. If we're playing zone and he has the underneath route and expects safety help over the top and the safety is no where in the picture, it obviously looks like he got beat. When in reality the safety was supposed to be there. How often this is the case is only truly known by our coaching staff.
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He's not even the best cover corner on our team...and you think he can be an "elite cover corner" ??? D-rob can tackle and he is physical...those are his best attributes.....His coverage leaves a lot to be desired...and he didn't just get beat over the top...D-rob has been beat every way possible in these last two games...across the middle...short routes, the deep ball...you name it, and a reciever has caught it....
 
Dunta was awful yesterday. If you watch the game again and hone in on Robinson, the WR he is covering and Manning you will get sick to your stomach. He was awful in coverage, position and body language. He must rebound and come strong against the Redskins.

I count him as an average cover CB, but a strong tackler to get to SES' statement.
 
I have no problem with his tackling, he's great at that, but his #1 job is cover the receiver. I'd like to see him get the pass protected that corners need, but there is no excuse for WR's to be burning him like they are. He's just not smart enough to be our best corner.
 
Superman would have looked inadequate at corner yesterday for the Texans, given the minimul pressure (and that's generous) our front was putting on
Manning.
 
nunusguy said:
Superman would have looked inadequate at corner yesterday for the Texans, given the minimul pressure (and that's generous) our front was putting on
Manning.
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So are you saying that our DB's are good???
 
nunusguy said:
Superman would have looked inadequate at corner yesterday for the Texans, given the minimul pressure (and that's generous) our front was putting on
Manning.
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Then he ain't Superman and nothing other than an overpaid corner with to much Krypto in his blood.
 
D-Rob's bad performance can't be blamed on our D-line or our safeties...
 
Runner said:
I thought it was frustration with the safeties, but I'm guessing and eager to change my mind about it.
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That was exactly where it was. An emotional outburst. Dunta didn't have his best game by any means. In fact, it was his worse as a Texans from Indy's first TD to their tight end to the 3rd down conversions he was consistantly burned for.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
So are you saying that our DB's are good???
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I absolutely think that D-Rob is not just good, but a very good NFL corner.
Glen Earl is also a keeper, though certainly not as valuable as D-Rob.
Beyond those 2 we just don't have much in the secondary.
 
O.G. said:
That was exactly where it was. An emotional outburst. Dunta didn't have his best game by any means. In fact, it was his worse as a Texans from Indy's first TD to their tight end to the 3rd down conversions he was consistantly burned for.
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Yep and you address it in the huddle or in the sidelines, not when the friggin ball is in the air and then when you are in pursuit. It looked more like freshman football than the NFL. I am not one that normally cares about what others think about the Texans, but that really was embarrasing.
 
nunusguy said:
I absolutely think that D-Rob is not just good, but a very good NFL corner.
Glen Earl is also a keeper, though certainly not as valuable as D-Rob.
Beyond those 2 we just don't have much in the secondary.
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I thought so as well, but where has he been lately? Where has anyone been lately? The truth is, we can't keep remembering good games he had in the past 2 seasons (here & there) and think he's playing at the same cailber because he isn't playing anywhere close to his potential.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
D-Rob's bad performance can't be blamed on our D-line or our safeties...
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I completely agree with xtru on this one..... Dunta was beat up and picked on yesterday.

To my knowledge no one has been able to stop the dynamic duo of Manning and Harrison though......

But he looked just as bad against Philly.

I think Sanders has been playing better.

in his deffense, it looks like he was expecting someone to be underneath on Harrison, on that play where he threw his hands up. Surely he couldn't have expected Earl to be there. Earl did take a bad angle, and misjudged Harrison's speed....
 
Corners have the same problem that Olinemen have. You only notice them when they make a mistake.

Dunta is an awesome corner.
 
Now I suppose we should get rid of Dunta along with Carr and Mario, Man ... our team would be Super Bowl bound if we could just shed these scrubbs and go with there backups.
 
Grid said:
Corners have the same problem that Olinemen have. You only notice them when they make a mistake.

Dunta is an awesome corner.
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When was the last time you saw an awesome corner in a Texan uniform? Not a facetious question Grid. I know DR has all of the tools and have seen some great things, but we are in a recession if not a depression for good corner play.
 
dantem said:
Now I suppose we should get rid of Dunta along with Carr and Mario, Man ... our team would be Super Bowl bound if we could just shed these scrubbs and go with there backups.
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It is quite feasible that someone breaking down one player over the course of one game, season or career does not necessarily follow suit for all other players. These statements are the kind that foster resentment and metaphorically serve as gasoline for our monday morning flamethrowers.
 
For some reason it seems that Dunta and AJ get free passes with subpar performances whereas other players(Carr, Mario, Safeties) get all the blame....

Dunta needs to step up his play big time or we are going to need to draft or sign a good corner in FA...he is a starter in my eyes but maybe not a #1.
 
We're getting killed in the trenches and you guys wanna blame David Carr and Dunta Robinson. Yeah, I'm goin' along with this bologne. :rolleyes:

You can find the next Elway and Deion Sanders, but we're not gonna win squat until we block and get a pass rush.
 
Also notice how Dunta's "play" has dropped off as our pass rush has completely disappeared, along with losing a good safety to Dallas.
 
nunusguy said:
I absolutely think that D-Rob is not just good, but a very good NFL corner.
Glen Earl is also a keeper, though certainly not as valuable as D-Rob.
Beyond those 2 we just don't have much in the secondary.
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Earl takes a ton of bad angles....I'm not real big on him. I think he would not start for anyone but us. Dunta is the only player in our secondary worth anything.
 
Dunta needs a mentor. He had his best season(statistically) when he had Glenn mentoring him. Using the moneyball technique, he is the fifth best corner in the league(according to a special issue of the Sporting News I read at Walmart).
 
What I know is this.

If the DL loses the trench battle this Sunday, and can't get pressure the QB, then some of you will get on here and complain about how bad the safeties are and about how bad Dunta is playing.

I'm really amazed at how many on this board seems to undervalue the importance of a pass rush, and how it directly impacts the play of the secondary as a whole.

To me, it demonstrates lack of understanding of the game itself, and I guess that's why I find it a little surprising.:(
 
Getting beat on one play by Stallworth in which there was no separation, only a great throw to where Dunta couldnt get his arm in to knock the ball down, is by no means getting torched. He was on Reggie Brown almost the entire game and Reggie had how many catches? Keep in mind the TD he had was on Sanders. Obviously Harrison did very well, but how many of those were in the middle of the field? When you play zone, good route rounning and experiance between the WR and QB will usuually beat you. We pretty much played right into Indy's hands.

Anyway, Drob has not bean great, and I was really dissapointed with that TD Stokley scored, but, just as with everything else around this team, we are overreacting because we are 0-2. Relax everybody, relax.
 
If ever a player on our defense got exposed, it would be Dunta Robinson in week 4. Is he completely losing his coverage skills because he wasn't blanketing anyone this week against the Dolphins. Maybe he's just too concerned with his antics after being burned instead of concentrating on his man. That TD that he gave up was 100% on him. Bigger receivers are just going to keep torching him and I look forward to drafting a CB who can handle them.
 
SESupergenius said:
If ever a player on our defense got exposed, it would be Dunta Robinson in week 4. Is he completely losing his coverage skills because he wasn't blanketing anyone this week against the Dolphins. Maybe he's just too concerned with his antics after being burned instead of concentrating on his man. That TD that he gave up was 100% on him. Bigger receivers are just going to keep torching him and I look forward to drafting a CB who can handle them.
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If we really want to help DRob we go after a Vet CB in free agency to do the same thing for him that Moulds is doing for AJ. Its not a coincidence that DRobs best season is when Glenn was showing him the ropes.

I wonder what Glenn is doing after the season?
 
TEXANRED said:
If we really want to help DRob we go after a Vet CB in free agency to do the same thing for him that Moulds is doing for AJ. Its not a coincidence that DRobs best season is when Glenn was showing him the ropes.

I wonder what Glenn is doing after the season?
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Or Kenny Wright...:hides:
 
Dunta has been shiiite for over 2 years now. Anyone still on that guy's jock really need to watch the games. He has been being abused since the 2nd half of Year 3. Last year he was embarassing and aside from showing a slight pulse against Washington has been totally incapable of covering anyone this year. And its no coincidence that against Washington his moderate success was probably more due to the Skins' WRs being short and undersized (Moss and Randle El).

The guy needs to stop living off his promising rookie season and stop his post-burn antics. Mario and Greenwood saved his butt on the 2-point conversion or DRob would be today's target du jour.

It's no coincidence that once we got rid of Glenn, DRob became a crappy corner....of which he is. He is good for a bit of run support and he does play with heart, but his skill level is crap and he may need to re-dedicate himself before he is cut.

Doug FTW
 
I saw him fall down a lot yesterday and he had some poor tackling as well, which is ironic because Dunta is known for laying the wood to an opponent. Anyways, I think Dunta got the most of his praises when he was surrounded by a good supporting cast. However, that can be said about almost any NFL player, you are better when your team is better and this game is a team sport where everyone needs to be on the same page/caliber. If we can bring in some help at safety and get Faggins back, I think we can see him in some fashion of his former self. The concern I still have is the way he is being beaten though, bad and often. He needs to be more physical again and make plays on the ball like he used to. There are times where we had 4 defenders around the guy and waited for him to make the catch before we tackled him. I would have like to see atleast one of the 4 defenders play the ball and if he didn't get the INT, then the other three could have pummeled him.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Dunta has been shiiite for over 2 years now. Anyone still on that guy's jock really need to watch the games. He has been being abused since the 2nd half of Year 3. Last year he was embarassing and aside from showing a slight pulse against Washington has been totally incapable of covering anyone this year. And its no coincidence that against Washington his moderate success was probably more due to the Skins' WRs being short and undersized (Moss and Randle El).

The guy needs to stop living off his promising rookie season and stop his post-burn antics. Mario and Greenwood saved his butt on the 2-point conversion or DRob would be today's target du jour.

It's no coincidence that once we got rid of Glenn, DRob became a crappy corner....of which he is. He is good for a bit of run support and he does play with heart, but his skill level is crap and he may need to re-dedicate himself before he is cut.

Doug FTW
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I am one of DRob's biggest critiques but I wouldn't say he is crap. There is a lot of talent in there. He wasn't done being tutored when we opened the door for Glenn. Seriously, what CB could just walk in from college and without any kind of mentoring step out on the field and perform on an NFL level. None.

Same thing with Pac-Man over in Possum Holler, no veteran to show him the ropes so he is just rotting over there.
 
TEXANRED said:
I am one of DRob's biggest critiques but I wouldn't say he is crap. There is a lot of talent in there. He wasn't done being tutored when we opened the door for Glenn. Seriously, what CB could just walk in from college and without any kind of mentoring step out on the field and perform on an NFL level. None.

Same thing with Pac-Man over in Possum Holler, no veteran to show him the ropes so he is just rotting over there.
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lol: :heh: :highfive:
 
SESupergenius said:
Does anyone still think that Dunta is a #1 cornerback? After 2 games now he's picking up right where he left off last year, getting exposed by elite wide receivers in this league. His excuse last year was that we used the 3-4 and he complained about it, what his excuse this year. Don't get me wrong, he's a good talent, but he needs to be on the defensive right side of the ball and let a bigger corner with good smarts be the #1 guy. So Far Stallworth and Harrison have torched him with T.O. and Chambers coming up.
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ya know i was thinking about it this morning. they really targeted him yesterday. he needs help. i still think our front 7 need to start laying out some people so that the qb can throw a bad pass. how many INT's does our defense have? do we have at least 1? o yeah we do...against mcnabb...but folks, we can do better than 1 INT.
 
[[Gary Kubiak]];459125 said:
Dunta was exposed yesterday. Pepper absolutely picked him apart. Dunta is good, but the drop is his play got me scratching, my head.


He is out of position most of the time.
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Sorry....But D.Rob has never been a good cover guy.....
 
TEXANRED said:
If we really want to help DRob we go after a Vet CB in free agency to do the same thing for him that Moulds is doing for AJ. Its not a coincidence that DRobs best season is when Glenn was showing him the ropes.

I wonder what Glenn is doing after the season?
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I'm asking, because I don't know. But did they complete any passes that Sanders was defending??
 
[[Gary Kubiak]];459162 said:
Sanders and Petey on CB

Sit down CC Brown and Replace him with Dunta.
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lol....just laughing because I actually thought about D.Rob at safety...but I wouldn't do it because of his size....and I honestly don't think he is a better tackler than C.C or Earl....
 
i've been severaly disappointed in d-rob's play since the 49er game last year when he just let lloyd run right by him. i don't know what it is, but all of the sudden, his view of defense is throwing up his hands and looking to the ref for help.
 
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