chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
The window is brief so I hope they can improve on offense while the defense is still elite.
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Dump O'Brien. The offense is on him.
- Thread starter TripleTap
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I thought this about Osweiler too - but he is just too inaccurate.
Does everything else right, just can't throw consistently accurate passes.
Maybe Savage has had his appetite whetted and has something to think about from the time he spent on the field this year.
TripleTap
Dead Wood
Don't know what anyone sees in this offense. Looks like a scrum to me. People are in each other's way all the time. Rarely any holes in the middle. Rarely do they try to run outside, even with so-called "speed" guys. I mean, compare to the NE offense, where there's ALWAYS people open on one side or the other, always people with a yard advantage downfield, where nobody gets near Brady, and they all stay out of each other's way to boot. OBrien's offense looks to me like a clump of crap--nothing open, no space made or taken, everybody blanketed 9 times of 10, get 2 yards on any running down mostly. Something's not right with the offense, or the teaching & coaching of the offense, or the execution of the offense. And there's no imagination at work--never do we come away thinking, Where did that come from?
And OZ's problem is not only his inaccuracy. As everyone has pointed out, it starts with his movement which is very awkward, perhaps owing to his size, and then to his throwing motion, which is ridiculous for an NFL QB--the unnatural and elaborate windup, his vision of the field and his receivers is very slow and very poor, and he is, as you say, not very accurate. He's a whole bucket of problems in one 6 foot 8 inch basketball player.
And OZ's problem is not only his inaccuracy. As everyone has pointed out, it starts with his movement which is very awkward, perhaps owing to his size, and then to his throwing motion, which is ridiculous for an NFL QB--the unnatural and elaborate windup, his vision of the field and his receivers is very slow and very poor, and he is, as you say, not very accurate. He's a whole bucket of problems in one 6 foot 8 inch basketball player.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
OB has a terrible scheme. They need to do some self reflecting, because his offensive scheme is just trash.
OS is very inconsistent with his accuracy. One time he is money (the Fuller drop), the next time the ball is in the dirt no where near the wide open receiver. No coaching will fix that at this point.
We need a more accurate passer and a better offensive scheme.
Looks like we are going to be stuck with a poor scheme and inaccurate QB for 2017 though
OS is very inconsistent with his accuracy. One time he is money (the Fuller drop), the next time the ball is in the dirt no where near the wide open receiver. No coaching will fix that at this point.
We need a more accurate passer and a better offensive scheme.
Looks like we are going to be stuck with a poor scheme and inaccurate QB for 2017 though
bigmck
Rookie
When Os was signed to the Contract, he was the starter. If they were not sold on him, he would not have gotten the Contrace. BOB did the right thing by sitting Brock as he is not an NFL QB, only a backup, maybe.
bigmck
Rookie
When BOB was at Penn State, did he run a wide open offense or a conservative one?
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
No clue. I don't watch college football. All I heard was this guy was a savior. And that's what makes me hate him even more and hold him to an even higher standard.
Scooter
Funky
This is what I don't understand. It's especially funny when picked apart. 'Somebody was open' They were open because the defense knows what the reads are. Our offense was gifted 2 drives in field goal territory in the first half. I said in one of the defense threads, all we need is competence on offense and we can bully ourselves through the playoffs with this defense. We cant resemble competence and that can only fall on one person. It was embarrassing, ufcking embarrassing to watch the halftime shows. 20 minutes of 'wow how cool, the Texans are actually making a game of it ... hey coach, only down by 4 at the half, your team isn't getting destroyed yet!!!'.
The offense you see on Sunday doesn't belong to Godsey. He's not the mastermind, the creator. He's the assistant (or scapegoat), he's the guy choosing the plays that may or may not be vetoed by O'Brien. Godsey didn't choose the position coaches, he had no input on Osweiler or Hoyer or any other major decision. So, let's do the math ... if Godsey isn't actually running the worst offense we've ever seen, who is? Hmmmmmm.
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QB, RG, RT... other than that, I like the players on our roster.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He wasn't that much of a savior. It's not like the won the national championship.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
I don't know. Everyone propped him and still props him up as a god. Makes no sense.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Yeah I know. They give him props because he went to a problem that just went through some major stuff. They lost a lot of good players. He was able to get that football team to a winning record. But they didn't win a national championship. Nowhere close to being in the conversation. I think they did win their bowl game though.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
I think O'b is a solid head coach. However I think he would be better finding a quality OC to lighten his load and really improve that area of our team.
BO for sure looked awful but it may not be as much a matter of BO sucking as it is finding out he doesn't fit our system even though he tought he could and our coach did as well.
zshawn10
All Pro
Joe Banner
✔@JoeBanner13
Since O'Brien got to Houston it's QB situation has been as big a mess as any in the league.
7:25 AM - 4 Apr 2017
Jason_OTC
✔@Jason_OTC
@JoeBanner13 Every year is basically another QB, benched by mid season and then replaced with a worse QB the next year
7:44 AM - 4 Apr 2017
Chris Burke
✔@ChrisBurke_SI
Bill O'Brien is a fascinating piece in all of this. He keeps getting the Texans into the playoffs without a true No. 1 QB, but ...
8:01 AM - 4 Apr 2017
Chris Burke
✔@ChrisBurke_SI
... he was supposed to be able to elevate any QB into being a legit No. 1, and yet Houston's chasing at that position for another offseason.
8:02 AM - 4 Apr 2017
Mike Tanier
✔@MikeTanier
@ChrisBurke_SI and there always seems to be a QB drama brewing in Houston....
8:03 AM - 4 Apr 2017
✔@JoeBanner13
Since O'Brien got to Houston it's QB situation has been as big a mess as any in the league.
7:25 AM - 4 Apr 2017
Jason_OTC
✔@Jason_OTC
@JoeBanner13 Every year is basically another QB, benched by mid season and then replaced with a worse QB the next year
7:44 AM - 4 Apr 2017
Chris Burke
✔@ChrisBurke_SI
Bill O'Brien is a fascinating piece in all of this. He keeps getting the Texans into the playoffs without a true No. 1 QB, but ...
8:01 AM - 4 Apr 2017
Chris Burke
✔@ChrisBurke_SI
... he was supposed to be able to elevate any QB into being a legit No. 1, and yet Houston's chasing at that position for another offseason.
8:02 AM - 4 Apr 2017
Mike Tanier
✔@MikeTanier
@ChrisBurke_SI and there always seems to be a QB drama brewing in Houston....
8:03 AM - 4 Apr 2017
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
OB is a giant turd for anything offense. That's his specialty ' yeah brah.'
Sigma
Veteran
I'm not even worried anymore, I just look at insults and smile
Next season is probably going to be very crappy, at least we can have fun posting stuff like that
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'm not even worried anymore, I just look at insults and smile
Next season is probably going to be very crappy, at least we can have fun posting stuff like that
Are you in OB's family?
I don't really give a sh!t for why we suck on O, but undeniable fact is under OB's watch we have regressed.
Sigma
Veteran
nope you misunderstood what I meant, possibly because I didn't explain it better.
I am done caring.
I never had a preference between OB and Rick Smith, I was always hoping to get to see entertaining football.
I just don't care anymore about the team, it is more entertaining to spend time on this board than actually watch the game.
and I'm not even using sarcasm, I really enjoy this forum (otherwise I would not be here)
I expect next year to be crap football, and unless something exciting happens I'll probably end up skipping the games and just watching the highlights
Sigma
Veteran
if by "worth watching by itself" you mean "just watch the drives of the opposing team"
then I agree
if you mean that "full games are worth watching just to see the defense" then no, expecially if we have another season like last year
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I didn't want to be a Kubiak/WCO fan. I was a Norv Turner Dallas fan. Punch it up the gut until you knew Irvin had to get the ball and nobody outballed Michael. Ok he was an asshole but he was good.
We had AJ and Schuab was a blitz buster. Still wasn't the triplets.
Arian Foster, AJ and Schaub in their prime together would have been scary good.
We had AJ and Schuab was a blitz buster. Still wasn't the triplets.
Arian Foster, AJ and Schaub in their prime together would have been scary good.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Take out Schaub and you're right. Lol! Oh, but that actually happened.
You and Scooter have got to be the only two guys in the Texans fan base that thought Schaub was elite. The rest of us never had faith in him. He lacked leadership and no one thought he was the type to make the huge plays in a big playoff game to get through the playoffs. He only got there one season and hell we had gotten there the season prior without him using a 6th round rookie that isn't even in the league anymore if I'm not mistaken. Comparing them to the Dallas triplets is disrespectful.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Liar again. But hey you're consistent.:
I didn't think he was elite. I didn't think Aikman was elite. Irvin, Emmitt, & that OL was elite. Troy was the leader.
Funny you mentioned that about Schaub though. Kubiak won Super Bowls when his QBs were leaders. Elway, Manning.
He had some decent seasons when they weren't. Schaub, Griese, Plummer.
Still, I'd have liked to have seen Kubiak with a younger Schaub. He could have been special.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
We had the younger Schaub. Lol! WTF are you talking about? He was on this team in his prime for 7 years all under Kubiak.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Liar? Lol! We had Schaub for 7 years with Kubiak and AJ for 8 and Foster for like 3 or 4 and yet we didn't have them in their prime? Where do you come up with this garbage? You've always had this attraction to Matt Schaub for some reason and love to pretend that he was like some Houston legend or something because of one season where he led one stat which was yards and you crowned him after that. Back then you never listened to anyone who criticized his noodle arm and his struggles to play well in the clutch. No one had faith in him, but you and other homers and in his one playoff season he stayed upright for, he crumbled immensely down the stretch of the season to where we had threads wanting him benched in the playoffs. Hell, half this forum wanted him sat.
They would have been special? Lol! Were you drunk for the period of 7 years they played together mixed in with Foster for like 3 years of that? Your evaluation of QB's is either terrible or this homerism for the Kubiak era you still can't let go of. Either way, what a joke.
How much did AJ, Arian, and Schaub actually play together?
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
AJ and Schaub played together for 7 years in Houston which was the epitome of their prime.
Foster played here and had 4 really good seasons, three of which were with Schaub and Johnson under Kubiak (under that same 7 year period). Foster only had one other great season which was the first year of OB and played with AJ as well that year too.
You'd have to not understand what "playing in their prime" even means to suggest that they didn't play together in their prime.
And I was pretty clearly talking about the amount of time they actually spent all on the field healthy and contributing together.
Are you always this angry? Everything is such a blistering battlefield for you?
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I pretty much just broke it down for you, but you're still struggling basic math here.
I put Lol! by my statements which should have told you I thought the statements were actually funny considering this is Schaub we're talking about, but apparently you're struggling with that too. I'll just chop it up to bad trolling on your end, because you haven't stated your opinion and have resorted to making things up.
I simply asked how much time the three of them have spent as a trio on the same field healthy together, which is not at all answered by your response of the number of years any two or more have merely spent time on the same roster as one another.
Are you ok, with all this 'trolling' and 'struggling to' and 'making things up' nonsense..?
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
You've said nothing this entire time, and can't even state what your opinion is. You're just asking rhetorical questions and following it up with other questions that have nothing to do with the conversation suggesting to me that you're just bored AKA trolling. I don't mind little pot shots from people as long as they're making a point or attempting to have a discussion, but as usual you're doing neither and wasting both of our time.
And Cak had the audacity to call me a liar.
Again, I simply asked a question I was curious about, a question that was relevant to the discussion being had; how much time the three of them spent actually on the field healthy competing together. Thought someone may have come across a legit stat about it in their time reading up on the team.
Why are you so worked up about this?
'Liar' and 'trolling' and all these bizarre accusations..
Tex, you may want to have a moment with yourself on all of this..
And in deciding to look it up a bit, it seems the three spent something like two and a half seasons on the field all together.
2009 - 2 games (last two of this season saw Arian getting his first serious carries)
2010 - 13 games
2011 - 2 games
2012 - 16 games , 2 playoff games
2013 - 6 games
total - 39 games , 2 playoff games
Not exactly a solid stretch of availability for a great trio to have settled in for.
Was fun for a minute and a what coulda been though.
2009 - 2 games (last two of this season saw Arian getting his first serious carries)
2010 - 13 games
2011 - 2 games
2012 - 16 games , 2 playoff games
2013 - 6 games
total - 39 games , 2 playoff games
Not exactly a solid stretch of availability for a great trio to have settled in for.
Was fun for a minute and a what coulda been though.
Schaub was 26 when he got here. That's on the back end of his prime years, unless you're Brady. QBs are pretty much learning the game the first two or three years on the field, Matt was 28, 2009 before he was actually "running" the whole offense.
He was 29 before we had an offensive line that was better than average, 2010. He was 30 years old before we fielded an above average defense in 2011. Still got some good years in him, if not for injury, may have had some play off success.
Had Kubiak got Schaub at 22~23, he'did only be 25 when he lead the league in passing & went to his first pro bowl. 26 when we were running the ball at will. 27 with a decent defense helping him win games. & at 27, maybe his foot doesn't break as badly. That may be stretching it a bit.
He was 29 before we had an offensive line that was better than average, 2010. He was 30 years old before we fielded an above average defense in 2011. Still got some good years in him, if not for injury, may have had some play off success.
Had Kubiak got Schaub at 22~23, he'did only be 25 when he lead the league in passing & went to his first pro bowl. 26 when we were running the ball at will. 27 with a decent defense helping him win games. & at 27, maybe his foot doesn't break as badly. That may be stretching it a bit.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
So much woulda, coulda, shoulda in here. No QB goes to a perfect situation where every little tic tac is in place for them to dominate. The league just doesn't work that way. The fact is Schaub went to a guy that you and others consider an offensive guru. He also had a HOF worthy WR in Andre Johnson. I don't want to hear jack about what Schaub "didn't" have, because those two factors alone are pretty strong and a lot better than what a lot of other QB's walk into all the time. Schaub's biggest problem in his first two years was staying healthy, and that was his own problem in itself. He struggled to keep half the fans from crying about Rosenfels half of that period of time. Sage was constantly on his heels until Rosencoptor finally happened and people let go of the back up QB thirst. Schaub eventually completed a few seasons, but 4 out of his 7 seasons here were bad disappointments. Three were due to injury, and the other was his last season where he went "pick 6" on the entire league.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
So much woulda, coulda, shoulda in here. No QB goes to a perfect situation where every little tic tac is in place for them to dominate. The league just doesn't work that way. The fact is Schaub went to a guy that you and others consider an offensive guru. He also had a HOF worthy WR in Andre Johnson. I don't want to hear jack about what Schaub "didn't" have, because those two factors alone are pretty strong and a lot better than what a lot of other QB's walk into all the time. Schaub's biggest problem in his first two years was staying healthy, and that was his own problem in itself. He struggled to keep half the fans from crying about Rosenfels half of that period of time. Sage was constantly on his heels until Rosencoptor finally happened and people let go of the back up QB thirst. Schaub eventually completed a few seasons, but 4 out of his 7 seasons here were bad disappointments. Three were due to injury, and the other was his last season where he went "pick 6" on the entire league.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Not the first time you've received that before, so don't act like you aren't proud.
Never seen someone so antagonistic to the idea of a question being asked before, but sure man, ok.
I never said it did. I don't know what you're going on about. I didn't say anything of the things you're babbling about. Are you drunk? Past your bed time?
I said I'd like to have seen Schaub in his prime with Kubiak. You argued that 30 years old is his prime. He lost 4 years as a backup. Sure he learned something watching Vick from the sideline, but it's not the same as learning on the field.
That's not arguing that he was elite, I already said he wasn't. I think Kubiak is a guru, but wasn't arguing that one way or the other.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
There were only 5 QB's that had a 100+ QB Rating this past season. Outside of Dak as a rookie, here were the other four:
Matt Ryan - 31 years old, 10 years exp.
Tom Brady - 39 years old, 18 years exp.
Aaron Rodgers - 33 years old, 13 years exp.
Drew Brees - 38 years old, 17 years exp.
Sam Bradford at 99.3%, turning 30 this coming season, was the only other QB to post a rating higher than 97% this past season.
All I'm saying, is I think Matt would have been a better QB at 31 had he been able to play with Kubiak since the first day he came into the league. Not playing any significant time for 4 years set him back.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I can agree with this. The freak Fat Albert injury notwithstanding.
He has the opportunity to beat out an unproven Savage and either a rookie and/or an underperforming veteran.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
You don't know what held him back or what helped him. Thats a massive assumption on your part. QB's sitting for a while helps them in many cases. Sometimes it doesn't. To suggest that Schaub wasn't really here in his prime is just dishonest. He started at a very good age and had years to improve his game just like any other QB. You Talk like he arrived here at 33 years of age and got to start for the first time.