Duane Brown and Jake Matthews

[WolverineFan]

What kinda prospect is Baylor's Richardson ? Im all for trying to build a line like the saints had with Evans and Nicks . I think Brooks can be one of those guys so they're half way there .

He's in that top tier of OG's. Late 1st-early 2nd round pick more than likely. Some teams like him at OT because it's a premiere position, but he's a good college OT compared to being an elite college OG.

I'm convinced that the Seahawks will be leaving the 1st round with either him or Gabe Jackson.

 

[VTexan]

kinda moronic to draft with potential future cap 'implications' in mind.

rick smith is that you!?!?

 

[steelbtexan]

rick smith is that you!?!?

After watchin todays game

Give me

Rd,1 Matthews, after a trade down
Rd,2 Richardson.

It's time to build the best OL possible.

 

[bhsman]

After watchin todays game

Give me

Rd,1 Matthews, after a trade down
Rd,2 Richardson.

It's time to build the best OL possible.

Why would you want TWO tackles taken high when we would need one at best with maybe a lower round pick for depth?

 

[steelbtexan]

Why would you want TWO tackles taken high when we would need one at best with maybe a lower round pick for depth?

Mattews is the #1 rated OT and Zyril Richardson is the #1 rated OG.

An OL of

Brown/Richardson/Myers/Brooks would fix (Garts word) alot of what's wrong with the offense. Building the old Oilers OL

Steinkuhler/Munchack.Pennison/Matthews/Salem didn't miss many playoffs. Much less go 2=8.

 

[bhsman]

Mattews is the #1 rated OT and Zyril Richardson is the #1 rated OG.

An OL of

Brown/Richardson/Myers/Brooks would fix (Garts word) alot of what's wrong with the offense. Building the old Oilers OL

Steinkuhler/Munchack.Pennison/Matthews/Salem didn't miss many playoffs. Much less go 2=8.

Ah, gotcha. I thought you were referring to Tony "Tiny" Richardson out of Tennessee. Even then, LG may not be that great of a priority between Quessenberry and Ben Jones.

 

[The1ApplePie]

It seems to me that the fanabse overvalues Jake because his last name is Matthews.

Great player, but the team already has a great LT. What they don't have are pass rushers or a QB

 

[Mr teX]

It seems to me that the fanabse overvalues Jake because his last name is Matthews.

Great player, but the team already has a great LT. What they don't have are pass rushers or a QB

matthews can play RT....& we definitely don't have 1 of those.

 

[The1ApplePie]

matthews can play RT....& we definitely don't have 1 of those.

Spending a top-5 pick on a RT makes no sense, and any trade down will see him gone as a team takes him for an LT.

The team has no QB or pass rush outside JJ Watt. You can fix RT in round 3. Can't really do that with QB or pass rusher (baring a Russell Wilson-like breakout)

 

[htownfan32]

Spending a top-5 pick on a RT makes no sense, and any trade down will see him gone as a team takes him for an LT.

The team has no QB or pass rush outside JJ Watt. You can fix RT in round 3. Can't really do that with QB or pass rusher (baring a Russell Wilson-like breakout)

This. It has become painfully clear to me that we may not suck enough to get our hands on someone like Winston next year, so let's grab our franchise guy while we can. Other than the knock on his arm (which isn't a big knock, let's be honest, his arm is more than adequate) Bridgewater has a strong mental game and is almost unfazed by pressure. He steps up in the pocket to deliver.

We land Bridgewater in the 1st, pick up a pass rusher in the second (if we have first pick we can probably still land a late 1st round prospect who just slipped a little) and look for O-line in the third, ILB in the fourth (or perhaps trade up lower picks for another 3rd rounder and get Skov) and so on.

I expect us to pick up a nickel CB in free agency.

 

[steelbtexan]

This. It has become painfully clear to me that we may not suck enough to get our hands on someone like Winston next year, so let's grab our franchise guy while we can. Other than the knock on his arm (which isn't a big knock, let's be honest, his arm is more than adequate) Bridgewater has a strong mental game and is almost unfazed by pressure. He steps up in the pocket to deliver.

We land Bridgewater in the 1st, pick up a pass rusher in the second (if we have first pick we can probably still land a late 1st round prospect who just slipped a little) and look for O-line in the third, ILB in the fourth (or perhaps trade up lower picks for another 3rd rounder and get Skov) and so on.

I expect us to pick up a nickel CB in free agency.

Try to trade down and fix alot of the holes this yr. Get a #1 pick in 2015 and use it plus your own 2015 1st rd pick and a 2016 pick if you have to to pick one of Winston/Hogan/Petty, all of whom I like better than Bridgewater.

Lets hope we learned something from the Carr experience and put a great OL around the new QB that should be drafted in the 2015 draft. No need to get Bridgewater killed the way Carr did.

Hopefully the Texans learned to build a strong Foundation 1st, instead of going for the glitz and glamour pick.

 

[WolverineFan]

Try to trade down and fix alot of the holes this yr. Get a #1 pick in 2015 and use it plus your own 2015 1st rd pick and a 2016 pick if you have to to pick one of Winston/Hogan/Petty, all of whom I like better than Bridgewater.

Lets hope we learned something from the Carr experience and put a great OL around the new QB that should be drafted in the 2015 draft. No need to get Bridgewater killed the way Carr did.

Hopefully the Texans learned to build a strong Foundation 1st, instead of going for the glitz and glamour pick.

Colts went all in for Luck and stuck him behind a horrid O-Line. They seem to be doing fine.

 

[The1ApplePie]

Try to trade down and fix alot of the holes this yr. Get a #1 pick in 2015 and use it plus your own 2015 1st rd pick and a 2016 pick if you have to to pick one of Winston/Hogan/Petty, all of whom I like better than Bridgewater.

Lets hope we learned something from the Carr experience and put a great OL around the new QB that should be drafted in the 2015 draft. No need to get Bridgewater killed the way Carr did.

Hopefully the Texans learned to build a strong Foundation 1st, instead of going for the glitz and glamour pick.

The Texans have no QB

I doubt the new head coach is going to suffer through their first year with bums at the most important position in football

 

[badboy]

Try to trade down and fix alot of the holes this yr. Get a #1 pick in 2015 and use it plus your own 2015 1st rd pick and a 2016 pick if you have to to pick one of Winston/Hogan/Petty, all of whom I like better than Bridgewater.

Lets hope we learned something from the Carr experience and put a great OL around the new QB that should be drafted in the 2015 draft. No need to get Bridgewater killed the way Carr did.

Hopefully the Texans learned to build a strong Foundation 1st, instead of going for the glitz and glamour pick.

You think one of Winston/Hogan/Petty are worth Bridgewater or Mariota + two #1 starters? I don't and Petty is only one that has to come out. Bad move imo.

 

[steelbtexan]

You think one of Winston/Hogan/Petty are worth Bridgewater or Mariota + two #1 starters? I don't and Petty is only one that has to come out. Bad move imo.

After the OL is fixed and the DL/LB's are fixed, then yes I do think Winston/Hogan/Petty are better by alot over Bridgewater.

If you're a trade down kinda guy, do you trade down with Cleveland for a RG3 type trade? I do, and there are better QB options in 2015.

 

[steelbtexan]

The Texans have no QB

I doubt the new head coach is going to suffer through their first year with bums at the most important position in football

Not disagreeing with you.

But after the Carr experience you hope the Texans learned their lesson on how to build a team.

 

[bhsman]

Colts went all in for Luck and stuck him behind a horrid O-Line. They seem to be doing fine.

"Doing fine" meant being flukey-as-hell statistically last year and having it catch up to them over the last two weeks.

 

[badboy]

After the OL is fixed and the DL/LB's are fixed, then yes I do think Winston/Hogan/Petty are better by alot over Bridgewater.

If you're a trade down kinda guy, do you trade down with Cleveland for a RG3 type trade? I do, and there are better QB options in 2015.

Well I have already posted my trade mock so that answers that but I'd be stunned if anyone else bought your scenario. What happens if Petty is only one coming out and we can't buy a trade to get him? I will have to think hard about passing up Mariotta if available.

 

[eriadoc]

The team has no QB or pass rush outside JJ Watt.

... Despite spending high round picks on the position every year. So having them spend yet another high round draft pick on the position does nothing to assure me they'll fix that problem, especially if Rick Smith stays.

You can fix RT in round 3. Can't really do that with QB or pass rusher (baring a Russell Wilson-like breakout)

If they could fix RT with a 3rd rounder, then they should have already. Pass rush can be fixed with a 3rd round pick if the people doing the picking don't suck. If they suck, then a 1st or 2nd rounder isn't going to help anyway. This particular year, QBs will be available in the 3rd that can be impact players.

 

[WolverineFan]

"Doing fine" meant being flukey-as-hell statistically last year and having it catch up to them over the last two weeks.

They still made the playoffs last year and will win the division this year. Not too bad for a team with almost no talent outside of the QB position.

 

[badboy]

... Despite spending high round picks on the position every year. So having them spend yet another high round draft pick on the position does nothing to assure me they'll fix that problem, especially if Rick Smith stays.



If they could fix RT with a 3rd rounder, then they should have already. Pass rush can be fixed with a 3rd round pick if the people doing the picking don't suck. If they suck, then a 1st or 2nd rounder isn't going to help anyway. This particular year, QBs will be available in the 3rd that can be impact players.

Other than Watt our pass rushers have been pretty pathetic. Merci looked good Sunday but is about avg in my view. Can we look at Trevardo Williams being the man?

 

[The1ApplePie]

... Despite spending high round picks on the position every year. So having them spend yet another high round draft pick on the position does nothing to assure me they'll fix that problem, especially if Rick Smith stays.



If they could fix RT with a 3rd rounder, then they should have already. Pass rush can be fixed with a 3rd round pick if the people doing the picking don't suck. If they suck, then a 1st or 2nd rounder isn't going to help anyway. This particular year, QBs will be available in the 3rd that can be impact players.

How many RTs in the NFL are first round picks (not counting failed LTs)?

Unless you want the Texans starting Mark Sanchez next year, they are going QB in round 1

 

[Texian]

After the OL is fixed and the DL/LB's are fixed, then yes I do think Winston/Hogan/Petty are better by alot over Bridgewater.

If you're a trade down kinda guy, do you trade down with Cleveland for a RG3 type trade? I do, and there are better QB options in 2015.

I am all in for a Wash-STL trade back with CLE. And if QB Blake Bortles declares I would give strong consideration to him being the first pick

... Despite spending high round picks on the position every year. So having them spend yet another high round draft pick on the position does nothing to assure me they'll fix that problem, especially if Rick Smith stays.

If they could fix RT with a 3rd rounder, then they should have already. Pass rush can be fixed with a 3rd round pick if the people doing the picking don't suck. If they suck, then a 1st or 2nd rounder isn't going to help anyway. This particular year, QBs will be available in the 3rd that can be impact players.

If Texans traded back w/ CLE and also got their Indy pick for Richardson, IMHO Brandon Scherff makes a lot sense there. Plays LT but can play RT. Best case scenario if Brown gets injured. I know, I know a lot of Ifs, Ands or Butts and a whole lot of Wishful Thinking.

 

[Brandon420tx]

It's not about getting a RT in the first round. It's about getting a right tackle now, and a left tackle later (and as injury insurance for the left tackle spot). I have severe doubts about any of the other lineman on this team playing left tackle should Duane Brown ever go down. We'd also have the best pair of bookends in the NFL for at least 5 years.

I honestly just want the position addressed within the first 2 rounds by a player of high caliber

 

[bhsman]

You can call it whatever you like, it's still a right tackle in the top five.

 

[beerlover]

My confidence in Texan OL performance dropped once Bruce fled back to Tennessee, that short stint proved the most fruitful in terms of a cohesive unit able to control line of scrimmage as well protect an immobile QB. His son Jake, most likely will be mis-cast in the hands of a franchise who is OT needy. To me he looks like a natural, most likely Hall of Fame capable LG. Put him next to Duane Brown & teams would have hard time stopping the run or pressuring the QB. Draft a RT top of 2nd & with the young players coming back next offseason off IR as well as Brooks, Myers & Newton that would be a formidable OL to reckon with for any team

 

[Brandon420tx]

You can call it whatever you like, it's still a right tackle in the top five.

After watching the Offensive line play the last two season, I have no problems taking a right tackle in the top five. It's been that bad

 

[steelbtexan]

My confidence in Texan OL performance dropped once Bruce fled back to Tennessee, that short stint proved the most fruitful in terms of a cohesive unit able to control line of scrimmage as well protect an immobile QB. His son Jake, most likely will be mis-cast in the hands of a franchise who is OT needy. To me he looks like a natural, most likely Hall of Fame capable LG. Put him next to Duane Brown & teams would have hard time stopping the run or pressuring the QB. Draft a RT top of 2nd & with the young players coming back next offseason off IR as well as Brooks, Myers & Newton that would be a formidable OL to reckon with for any team

Never thought about Matthews as a OG. But you're right.

John Hannah/Randel McDaniel kind of great.

 

[badboy]

You can call it whatever you like, it's still a right tackle in the top five.

I call it filling a dire need hole for a few years then same "it" moves to one of the most important positions on the team and locks it down. I call it a safe, smart move if we can['t get the trade down we want. Matthews and Mosley only two "can't miss" players in first round.

 

[ReliantTexan]

You can call it whatever you like, it's still a right tackle in the top five.

Fisher,Joeckel, and Johnson all went in the top five this past draft. And each of them are currently listed at right tackle for their teams. Not exactly unheard of.

 

[leebigeztx]

Look at the last 10 bowl winners and losers and you won't find 1 rt taken even in the top 15. You would be hard pressed to find a lt taken in the top 10 on those teams. I wouldn't waste a top 3 pick on a non impact player. Go look at the 07 joe thomas draft and look at the guys taken around him. Megatron,AD,revis,lynch,willis. The last good rt the texans had was a 3rd rd pick. I would take clowney or mike evans way before I would draft matthews.

 

[bhsman]

Fisher,Joeckel, and Johnson all went in the top five this past draft. And each of them are currently listed at right tackle for their teams. Not exactly unheard of.

Fisher went to a team who eventually franchised tagged their LT and seems unlikely to retain him next year and Jacksonville traded their LT and will probably start Joeckel next year when he's healthy. It's not an analogous situation.

 

[infantrycak]

Look at the last 10 bowl winners and losers and you won't find 1 rt taken even in the top 15. You would be hard pressed to find a lt taken in the top 10 on those teams. I wouldn't waste a top 3 pick on a non impact player.

I wouldn't call them non-impact players, but...

1st round OTs from the past 10 SB winners:

Michael Oher: 1-23 RT playing LT
Baluga: 1-23 RT
Tarik Glenn: 1-19 LT

 

[steelbtexan]

Look at the last 10 bowl winners and losers and you won't find 1 rt taken even in the top 15. You would be hard pressed to find a lt taken in the top 10 on those teams. I wouldn't waste a top 3 pick on a non impact player. Go look at the 07 joe thomas draft and look at the guys taken around him. Megatron,AD,revis,lynch,willis. The last good rt the texans had was a 3rd rd pick. I would take clowney or mike evans way before I would draft matthews.

After thinking about it I would take Clowney or Barr over Matthews. Of course I just watched 2 series of Morgan Moses dominate Jimmy Gayle. I'm moving Moses up to Rd.3 in my next mock.

 

[leebigeztx]

I wouldn't call them non-impact players, but...

1st round OTs from the past 10 SB winners:

Michael Oher: 1-23 RT playing LT
Baluga: 1-23 RT
Tarik Glenn: 1-19 LT

You proved my point. Texans have a high end lt,I think myers is solid,brooks can be good. I would insert jones at rg and quess at rt from what I saw at camp. Most important is the qb

 

[steelbtexan]

You proved my point. Texans have a high end lt,I think myers is solid,brooks can be good. I would insert jones at rg and quess at rt from what I saw at camp. Most important is the qb

If there was a QB worth taking at 1-1.

In my mind there isn't one worthy.

In yours I'm sure you think Bridgewater is worth 1-1. Can you say HWNSNBM part deaux.

 

[leebigeztx]

After thinking about it I would take Clowney or Barr over Matthews. Of course I just watched 2 series of Morgan Moses dominate Jimmy Gayle. I'm moving Moses up to Rd.3 in my next mock.

Contrary to our disagreements on qbs, I agree with what you post about the trench warfare. Now maybe we disagree about the value of when to draft the guys,but overrall I. Agree the need for these guys. I think all in all, I want playmakers in the 1st 3 rounds. I need guys who can make game altering plays. In the early 1st I see bridgewater,clowney,mike evans,cj mosely,barr, in the top as splash guys. There will be high quality ol and dt depth in the 2nd,3rd rds.

 

[leebigeztx]

If there was a QB worth taking at 1-1.

In my mind there isn't one worthy.

In yours I'm sure you think Bridgewater is worth 1-1. Can you say HWNSNBM part deaux.

Where are u getting ur info from. Bridgewater is a way better prospect than carr ever was. Its not even close. A lot of the texans line issue come from the limited rt tree by the qbs and lack of poise. Schaub stays on schedule but has 0 mobility and keenum can't stay on schedule and panics.

 

[steelbtexan]

Contrary to our disagreements on qbs, I agree with what you post about the trench warfare. Now maybe we disagree about the value of when to draft the guys,but overrall I. Agree the need for these guys. I think all in all, I want playmakers in the 1st 3 rounds. I need guys who can make game altering plays. In the early 1st I see bridgewater,clowney,mike evans,cj mosely,barr, in the top as splash guys. There will be high quality ol and dt depth in the 2nd,3rd rds.

The thought of pairing Watt with Clowney or Barr is more appealing than drafting Bridgewater and watching his career get killed like Carr.

Clowney with Watt and a guy like Ego Ferguson in the 3rd means pass rush problems solved for the next 10 yrs. I would draft these guys switch to a 4-3 since the LB corps stinks so bad.

 

[leebigeztx]

The thought of pairing Watt with Clowney or Barr is more appealing than drafting Bridgewater and watching his career get killed like Carr.

Clowney with Watt and a guy like Ego Ferguson in the 3rd means pass rush problems solved for the next 10 yrs. I would draft these guys switch to a 4-3 since the LB corps stinks so bad.

The jets have the best front in football. They work teams when geno plays well or even avg.you can have watt and clowney playing with their hair on fire,but,when the qb is a liability ,it doesn't matter. Comparing bridgewater coming to a team with 2 probowl caliber players and andre to carr and coming to an expansion team isn't even aples to oranges. The line isn't as bad as you make it out to be. They have an immobile,slow footed avg arm guy and a short,erractic avg arm guy. No comparison.