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Vinny said:
Is this Coachspeak for "the cap is mismanaged, but I can't say that....I gotta coach what they give me"

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Kubes says the free agency period has been tough on the Texans? That is sooooo weird. He should read these boards; every time I say that it gets explained to me that this free agency period has been good for the Texans.
 
Runner said:
Kubes says the free agency period has been tough on the Texans? That is sooooo weird. He should read these boards; every time I say that it gets explained to me that this free agency period has been good for the Texans.
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There is a differnt between saying the FA period has been tough on the Texans and we will likely suck next year because of it.

I'm pretty sure Kubiak thinks that a couple of the guys already on the team will be able to step up and replace some of the guys we have lost. He may be completely wrong, but I doubt Kubiak would express his views like anyone here on the MB has.
 
mussop said:
really??? What make you think this???
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Umm the fact that he's a receiving TE, has better athleticism, and has reliable hands/can catch the ball in traffic..

Better question here is what makes you think he can't??? (See the three question marks suggests that I'm just as confused as you were) The kid was drafted for a reason and the only thing he's been lacking here is a opportunity... well he has that now.

Also.. for all of those who choose to ***** and moan about this offseason, mismanaged cap or not... will you please explain to the rest of us how the hell we were supposed to sign this year's FA class and still have the ability to even attempt to sign next year's FA class (which is FAR more important.) even if we had our books in order? Next year we have to sign a franchise QB, a franchise LT, and two of our best defenders...

Are we losing players? Yes.. but we've managed to keep our core players which os what we did this offseason with Foster and Myers... even with all the players that we've lost, the only area I'm concerned about is the right side of the Oline and who's going to be our swing tackle? With Dreessen, Mario, and Ryans... all of their replacements were already on the roster and the only their loss effects is the depth with their backups becoming permanent starters. That will have to be adressed, but it isn't undoable.
 
Runner said:
Kubes says the free agency period has been tough on the Texans? That is sooooo weird. He should read these boards; every time I say that it gets explained to me that this free agency period has been good for the Texans.
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I think it hurts but that's the business at hand . The real question is did they develop the backups to take their place .
 
Rey said:
There is a differnt between saying the FA period has been tough on the Texans and we will likely suck next year because of it.

I'm pretty sure Kubiak thinks that a couple of the guys already on the team will be able to step up and replace some of the guys we have lost. He may be completely wrong, but I doubt Kubiak would express his views like anyone here on the MB has.
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I've been saying they will be less competitive than last year, not that they will suck. I think that might be more realistic than thinking they will be better because:

1) The backups were better than the players above them on the depth chart
2) There is no doubt the team will have a stellar draft
3) Injuries won't expose the new lack of depth
 
Runner said:
Kubes says the free agency period has been tough on the Texans? That is sooooo weird. He should read these boards; every time I say that it gets explained to me that this free agency period has been good for the Texans.
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Like you said how it was explained to you that losing all of these players makes the Texans better?
Can you please pull up all the posts where people said either, because I haven't seen it posted or people say that around here.
 
The sky is not falling. Everyone seems to forget we resigned two HUGE needs in the off season: Foster and Myers.

-We all knew Mario was pretty much gone and after last season and not needed.
-Dreesen? He is a back up TE, I feel Graham will step in just fine.
-Winston while surprising, isnt a complete shock. Guy just can not handle speed rushers at all. You have a capable back up in Butler who will step in.
-Jason Allen. I trust in Wade after the Miracle Worker job he did last year. I suspect we will see a Jackson/Brandon "No fly zone" Harris combo next year in the same vein as Jackson/Allen. With Harris pushing KJ hard.
-Demeco. While the leadership issue hurts, physically he just did not do much to warrant what we are paying him. He is a MLB in a 4-3. I GUARANTEE Demeco talked to Cushing and told him it was his D now and to be the leader which Cush will do a great job being the leader.

Briesel-This one is the only one that stings. Underrated guy who just goes out weekly and plays his ass off. But the Raiders over paid and we shouldnt get into that game. I would much rather spend the money on myers. the guy only calls out the assignments on EVERY offensive snap...

We will be fine.
 
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Carr Bombed said:
Like you said how it was explained to you that losing all of these players makes the Texans better?
Can you please pull up all the posts where people said either, because I haven't seen it posted or people say that around here.
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I think you'll find those posts in the Free Agency - The Big Picture thread. Granted the "they will be better" is usually followed by a big "if" or assumption, but better nonetheless.

Some are buried in the big Demeco thread, but that's a lot to sift through.

Of course the big win comes in salary cap room and major re-signings in 2013.

Just win the-season-after-next, baby.
 
Sorry, one more

Fake John McClain ‏ @FakeJohnMcClain Dreessen told me over a cup of Folgers that he trusts Manning more b/c his head is taller & he can see him over the line better than Schaub.
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Runner said:
Granted the better is usually followed by a big "if" or assumption, but better nonetheless.

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So basically, to prove a lot of people are saying the Texans are better for letting these players walk or trading them, you make sure.to include that these people said "if" after "better"... Pretty sure you just disproved your point... You're something else...
 
Rebecca Haarlow ‏ @RebeccaHaarlow
Jeff Saturday skips Manning reunion 4 Packers, Broncos agree to terms w TE Joel Dreessen & CB Tracy Porter; details next on @nflnetwork
 
drunkcookie said:
So basically, to prove a lot of people are saying the Texans are better for letting these players walk or trading them, you make sure.to include that these people said "if" after "better"... Pretty sure you just disproved your point... You're something else...
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Actually it was to show that even when they point out that I am wrong for being concerned, they are acknowledging that the cards have to fall just right to eliminate that concern. It strengthens my argument.

I know people get irritated with what they consider "bitching and moaning", but this is a discussion board, and there are opposing viewpoints. Each poster has to make their own decision how they handle viewpoints different from their own. Complaining because people don't agree with a person's viewpoint is one approach. Another is to enter the discussion. Ignoring some posters works too.
 
Runner said:
I've been saying they will be less competitive than last year, not that they will suck. I think that might be more realistic than thinking they will be better because:

1) The backups were better than the players above them on the depth chart
2) There is no doubt the team will have a stellar draft
3) Injuries won't expose the new lack of depth
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1) haven't seen posted.. just seen people say we already have players that can step up and replace their production... We already saw that last year with Mario so his loss doesn't even factor into this equation. DeMeco's last year's production is easily replaceable (granted a new locker room alpha will have to emerge. The Oline is a question mark and people have admitted as much. Dreesen is not going to be that hard to replace.. if they really wanted him back and felt he was a significant peice or felt they didn't already have a guy to replace him with, he'd still be here.. they had the money if they really wanted him.

2) I haven't seen anybody claim Houston is gauranteed to have a steller draft, if they did they're stupid.

3) Have seen plenty of people acknowledge the current lack of depth now.. even from those who aren't freaking out about our FA loses. That's where we're mostly effected (not the starting lineup) and that's what we'll have to address in FA agency and the draft, but there's still plenty of time to do it.
 
Carr Bombed said:
1) haven't seen posted.. just seen people say we already have players that can step up and replace their production... We already saw that last year with Mario so his loss doesn't even factor into this equation. DeMeco's last year's production is easily replaceable (granted a new locker room alpha will have to emerge. The Oline is a question mark and people have admitted as much. Dreesen is not going to be that hard to replace.. if they really wanted him back and felt he was a significant peice or felt they didn't already have a guy to replace him with, he'd still be here.. they had the money if they really wanted him.

2) I haven't seen anybody claim Houston is gauranteed to have a steller draft, if they did they're stupid.

If seen plenty of people acknowledge the current lack of depth now.. even from those who aren't freaking out about our FA loses. That's where we're mostly effected (not the starting lineup) and that's what we'll have to address in FA agency and the draft, but there's still plenty of time to do it.
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Yes, there are some arguments that can be made that the players leaving do not effect the team that much and may be mitigated. I can see that, believe it or not. I repped many of them on the previously mentioned thread.

I still think it is likely the team isn't as good as last year, and my arguments merit the same consideration.

I get irritated with posts just as you do. The chicken little, whiner, quit bitching and moaning, freaking out posts bother me because I enjoy the discussion this board supports.
 
DX-TEX said:
The sky is not falling. Everyone seems to forget we resigned two HUGE needs in the off season: Foster and Myers.

-We all knew Mario was pretty much gone and after last season and not needed.
-Dreesen? He is a back up TE, I feel Graham will step in just fine.
-Winston while surprising, isnt a complete shock. Guy just can not handle speed rushers at all. You have a capable back up in Butler who will step in.
-Jason Allen. I trust in Wade after the Miracle Worker job he did last year. I suspect we will see a Jackson/Brandon "No fly zone" Harris combo next year in the same vein as Jackson/Allen. With Harris pushing KJ hard.
-Demeco. While the leadership issue hurts, physically he just did not do much to warrant what we are paying him. He is a MLB in a 4-3. I GUARANTEE Demeco talked to Cushing and told him it was his D now and to be the leader which Cush will do a great job being the leader.

Briesel-This one is the only one that stings. Underrated guy who just goes out weekly and plays his ass off. But the Raiders over paid and we shouldnt get into that game. I would much rather spend the money on myers. the guy only calls out the assignments on EVERY offensive snap...

We will be fine.
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I rep'd you.

Solid statements, DX-TEX.
 
So long Joel, good luck with the Broncos...

Anyone else think the Broncos won't make the playoffs this season? And not because Manning will get injured, but because the rest of the team just isn't that good.
 
Runner said:
I think you'll find those posts in the Free Agency - The Big Picture thread. Granted the "they will be better" is usually followed by a big "if" or assumption, but better nonetheless.

Some are buried in the big Demeco thread, but that's a lot to sift through.

Of course the big win comes in salary cap room and major re-signings in 2013.

Just win the-season-after-next, baby.
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Oh I'm sorry.. you see when you post things like "every time I say that somebody tells me how tells me this FA period has been good for the Texans and these losses will make the team better".. I figured you'd have a lot of different examples to pull from and wouldn't tell me it's a lot to "sift through". Hmm maybe you don't have people telling you this has been a good FA period or how these losses will make the Texans better every time you post something different? That could also be why your different view point comes off as a little whiney, IDK
 
Carr Bombed said:
Oh I'm sorry.. you see when you post things like "every time I say that somebody tells me how tells me this FA period has been good for the Texans and these losses will make the team better".. I figured you'd have a lot of different examples to pull from and wouldn't tell me it's a lot to "sift through". Hmm maybe you don't have people telling you this has been a good FA period or how these losses will make the Texans better every time you post something different? That could also be why your different view point comes off as a little whiney.. IDK.
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So you object to my hyperbole. Next time I'll say "sometimes" and put a smiley after an attempted witticism, not that some people won't find that just as irritating.
 
Runner said:
I've been saying they will be less competitive than last year, not that they will suck. I think that might be more realistic than thinking they will be better because:

1) The backups were better than the players above them on the depth chart
2) There is no doubt the team will have a stellar draft
3) Injuries won't expose the new lack of depth
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I think more than anything, hope is what you are seeing.

Some of the same things could have been said about the team last year. Hell, lets not forget that there weren't very many people excited about Wade last off-season. Many people even coined the term Wary. (I don't recall if you were one of them, but I know you were not thrilled about Kubiak's return)

Personally, I did not want Kubiak back at all and I was weary or Wary, but I still thought that it could work for various reasons.

But my point is that no one has a crystal ball. Everyone here has been wrong about something regarding this team or football in general (except me of course :lion:)...

I don't really disagree that there aren't areas for concern. There are always area for concern. What I do disagree with though is that the moves that we've made (or haven't made) will ultimately lead to us having a bad season. I just think the meat of the team/most important pieces are still here.

It's kind of like a car....Lots of important pieces to a car, but if you have a good engine and a good transmission all that other stuff can be replaced and the car still works.

Honestly, I'm more worried about the stronger schedule than I am about the players that we've lost.
 
DX-TEX said:
The sky is not falling. Everyone seems to forget we resigned two HUGE needs in the off season: Foster and Myers.

-We all knew Mario was pretty much gone and after last season and not needed.
-Dreesen? He is a back up TE, I feel Graham will step in just fine.
-Winston while surprising, isnt a complete shock. Guy just can not handle speed rushers at all. You have a capable back up in Butler who will step in.
-Jason Allen. I trust in Wade after the Miracle Worker job he did last year. I suspect we will see a Jackson/Brandon "No fly zone" Harris combo next year in the same vein as Jackson/Allen. With Harris pushing KJ hard.
-Demeco. While the leadership issue hurts, physically he just did not do much to warrant what we are paying him. He is a MLB in a 4-3. I GUARANTEE Demeco talked to Cushing and told him it was his D now and to be the leader which Cush will do a great job being the leader.

Briesel-This one is the only one that stings. Underrated guy who just goes out weekly and plays his ass off. But the Raiders over paid and we shouldnt get into that game. I would much rather spend the money on myers. the guy only calls out the assignments on EVERY offensive snap...

We will be fine.
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And none of that takes into effect continuity. There is a reason many of the players have taken to twitter to lament alot of these moves....they know how the lockerroom is made up and who does what. We don't. So the idea that losing guys is no big deal when there is a warm body behind them doesn't cut it. How do you know Graham is just fine? From what I heard he isn't as good a blocker. So little things like that play in to the week to week of assignments missed and plays made. I'm not being negative but there is something to be said for core groups and what guy teammates listen to. Just some thoughts.
 
Not a shock. I'd wish luck to Dreesen, met him once he's a nice fella but I'm not a Broncos fan. So.....


The Texans are better off with him moving on though. TE is absolutely stacked right now and though their depth has earned more playing time they were caught up behind Dreesen because JD never did a thing to lose his spot. Dreesen has a helluva deal going for him now and the Texans have opened up a spot to feature their younger, higher ceiling potential having backups. No stagnating talent and wasting guys careers on special teams, it's time for Casey and Graham to make a splash in the deep end.
 
Rey said:
I think more than anything, hope is what you are seeing.

Some of the same things could have been said about the team last year. Hell, lets not forget that there weren't very many people excited about Wade last off-season. Many people even coined the term Wary. (I don't recall if you were one of them, but I know you were not thrilled about Kubiak's return)

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Honestly, I'm more worried about the stronger schedule than I am about the players that we've lost.
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I haven't been thrilled about Kubiak's return for four years now. If I remember correctly, those year's gave us (record-wise) no improvement, a winning season (9-7 whoop-whoop!), regression, and a play-off appearance. I'm still not sold on him, because of what you touch on in your last line - the team was aided by an easy schedule and the collapse of the division last year. Were the years of "averageness" or last year the real Kubiak. Time will tell.

I was on the positive side of neutral with Philips. He was easily the best defensive mind the team has had since Capers, but I wasn't sure how having what could have been seen as "two head coaches" would work out. To both of their credit it looks like it worked out well (from an outsider perspective anyway).

I know hope is what I've been seeing. That's a fine emotion for a fan to have, but it will take more than hope to make a deep playoff run next year. I'm looking more at the nuts and bolts of the machine right now.
 
TimeKiller said:
Not a shock. I'd wish luck to Dreesen, met him once he's a nice fella but I'm not a Broncos fan. So.....


The Texans are better off with him moving on though. TE is absolutely stacked right now and though their depth has earned more playing time they were caught up behind Dreesen because JD never did a thing to lose his spot. Dreesen has a helluva deal going for him now and the Texans have opened up a spot to feature their younger, higher ceiling potential having backups. No stagnating talent and wasting guys careers on special teams, it's time for Casey and Graham to make a splash in the deep end.
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absolutely stacked? Graham the Jed Putzier clone and Casey who has been more of a talking point than a difference maker? I don't think Dreesen has much of a higher ceiling since I think that nobody in that entire group is a legit NFL starter. The Gif Neilson of TE's is more like it for this bunch.
 
Vinny said:
absolutely stacked? Graham the Jed Putzier clone and Casey who has been more of a talking point than a difference maker? I don't think Dreesen has much of a higher ceiling since I think that nobody in that entire group is a legit NFL starter. The Gif Neilson of TE's is more like it for this bunch.
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I'd like to see Fleener or Ladarius Green . Tall athletic guys who pose a length issue as well as speed .
 
Vinny said:
I'd like to see a guy with more upside too.

Jacob Tamme just signed with the Donkeys so Dreesen backs him up.
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I saw Brees and Brady just throw it up and let Gronkowski and Graham go get it . Our guys have to find a soft spot in the zone .

The Texans need weapons on offense . They don't have to come from any one position or mold . Kubiak is creative , he could line up Fleener in the slot and block down like Walter .
 
SheTexan said:
Because I CHOOSE to be a fan of the Houston Texans!! I might detest some of the decisions they make, but, I'm still a fan, and will be until the day I die!! PLUS, I don't really give a crap what EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL does!! WHY? Because I'm a TEXAN fan, and what they do affects me to my core!! IF I was a Texan player right now, I'd find it very difficult to be loyal to this franchise! Loyalty gets you nothing but a kick out the door! SURE, it happens all over the NFL, that's why Dreessen should pack his duds and head to Colorado. At least the Broncos are going forward, not backward!!

YES, I'm very pissed off at what's happened this past week. I've read EVERY damn thread concerning Demeco's trade, and believe it or not, I DO understand the theory behind the trade. Right now I'm still working on the "acceptance" phase of my grieving period, and I have NO sympathy for the evil SOBs that run this franchise. It's my opinion, and I have a right to voice it. Tomorrow I might feel different, but, today I'm still venting!!
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Not that I disagree with most of this offseasons moves.

But, This is What I've been saying for yrs about Billionaire BoBBy and his henchmen Smith/Olsen. They signed FA's last yr because they were about to lose a large portion of their fanbase. (Not you/Blue Crew) Not suprisingly they made the playoffs for the 1st time in franchise history.

Fast forward to this offseason, it appears that Billionaire BoBBy wants to make his $$$$ back. But I'm willing to let the offseason and draft play out before I make a final judgement on the Texans FO. So far it's not looking good.

Tell me how a team like the Eagles can make big FA moves yr after yr, but the Texans are a pkayer in FA 1 yr and the next yr they have to cut half the team to get under the salary cap? Are BoBBy/Rick/Olsen that inept at their jobs? Or is there a more deep seeded problem with the way the Texans organization is being run?
 
steelbtexan said:
Not that I disagree with most of this offseasons moves.

But, This is What I've been saying for yrs about Billionaire BoBBy and his henchmen Smith/Olsen. They signed FA's last yr because they were about to lose a large portion of their fanbase. (Not you/Blue Crew) Not suprisingly they made the playoffs for the 1st time in franchise history.

Fast forward to this offseason, it appears that Billionaire BoBBy wants to make his $$$$ back. But I'm willing to let the offseason and draft play out before I make a final judgement on the Texans FO. So far it's not looking good.

Tell me how a team like the Eagles can make big FA moves yr after yr, but the Texans are a pkayer in FA 1 yr and the next yr they have to cut half the team to get under the salary cap? Are BoBBy/Rick/Olsen that inept at their jobs? Or is there a more deep seeded problem with the way the Texans organization is being run?
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I don't think this is just about last year. Last year sure was exciting and it's probably the first time we've been in the race for the #1 overall FA player (Nnamdi) and decided on getting 2 really really good FA's instead (Joseph + Manning) as well as add Wade Phillips. There was excitement to that, where previous offseasons had little.

But look at what we've done the past few offseasons to get us to the point we're at right now:
*Matt Schaub - He's making coin and lots of it.
*Andre Johnson - He's making coin and lots of it (Highest paid WR at time of contract).
*Mario Williams - Had been making ridiculous coin since being #1 overall pick.
*Demeco Ryans - Extended him a contract making him one of the highest paid LBs at time of contract.
*Owen Daniels - Extended him a contract making him one of the highest paid TEs at time of contract.
*Antonio Smith - "Big" FA signing with not an insignificant contract, getting paid very well.
*On top of that, think of all our 1st round draft picks that have been making +/- $2M per season.

It adds up. My point is we can't be players every single year to keep giving out contracts to the top free agents, including our own. There's only a handful of players on a team that can be paid as tops in the NFL. We simply can't have the Top 5 paid WR, DE, LT, C, TE, OLB, CB, S, etc.

As for the Eagles... all I have to say is "wait and watch". Their Top 5 highest paid guys will roughly count towards 50% of their cap next season. I wouldn't be envious of the Eagles right now.
 
Cosell on Twitter. One of the best evaluators out there

Greg Cosell ‏ @gregcosell 2 under radar signings that are big: TEs Tamme + Dreessen to Broncos with Manning. Dreessen a better player than people might think.
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We lost a guy only one team in the NFL could afford, we traded a worn-down LB and cut a poor pass protecting RT, and we lost a few guys who are being overpaid because the Texans actually made the playoffs last year.

I know that it seems like I'm puffing up our team and minimizing the loss of the guys we lost. But it's not like Arian Foster walked out the door. We didn't lose Joseph and Manning. Or Cushing. Or Watt. Or A. Smith. Or Casey, OD, Brown, Myers, W. Smith, AJ, Walter, on and on and on. We have a strong enough core to replace the parts we lost. In so many people's minds, it's as if we've already lost the AFC South before even OTAs have begun.

Do I think Dreessen is about to blow up? He's been dependable for at least the past two seasons, lots of teams out there would want him now. So if he "blows up" then so be it. We can't keep everybody. If we did, we'd be a pre-2011 Texans team with nobody wanting our players in the first place and wondering why we weren't making moves to get better.

Good luck to Dreessen, as long as his interests do not conflict with our interests. - Texan_Don Corleone
 
GP said:
In so many people's minds, it's as if we've already lost the AFC South before even OTAs have begun.
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I, and most posts I've seen, acknowledge the Texans are still good enough to win the weak AFC South again. In my case, and I think I've seen others state this also, there is some doubt if the Texans will be able to repeat or exceed last year's playoff performance.
 
Runner said:
I, and most posts I've seen, acknowledge the Texans are still good enough to win the weak AFC South again. In my case, and I think I've seen others state this also, there is some doubt if the Texans will be able to repeat or exceed last year's playoff performance.
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While I understand the concern by many and personally dislike the DeMeco trade, I think the biggest factor for next season is Schaub's health and whether he heads onto another 46+ game healthy streak. TJ mania that was going on around here aside the reality is the team was carrying him. A healthy Schaub would make a bigger difference to this team than everyone lost so far but is of course a great unknown.
 
infantrycak said:
While I understand the concern by many and personally dislike the DeMeco trade, I think the biggest factor for next season is Schaub's health and whether he heads onto another 46+ game healthy streak. TJ mania that was going on around here aside the reality is the team was carrying him. A healthy Schaub would make a bigger difference to this team than everyone lost so far but is of course a great unknown.
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Yes, it would be great to have Schaub back all season. I've never blamed this team's woes on him.
 
infantrycak said:
While I understand the concern by many and personally dislike the DeMeco trade, I think the biggest factor for next season is Schaub's health and whether he heads onto another 46+ game healthy streak. TJ mania that was going on around here aside the reality is the team was carrying him. A healthy Schaub would make a bigger difference to this team than everyone lost so far but is of course a great unknown.
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none of these moves, resignings, trade, addition by subtraction... none of them matter if Schaub isn't back to form this coming season.

Yates ain't ready.
 
This could easily go down as the Texan's worst offseason loss. Dreesen was under utilized because of OD.
 
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