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What has he given away?Not this early and not giving up next years third. Saw him as value pick. Passed on Sampson for Woody Marks?
This is the most reaching for need, giveaway, under DeMeco regime. Round off value every round.
Caserio is being used and abused with no checks or balances. He’s impatient and other teams sense it and extract blood/draft capital. Give it away, Give it away now, Give it away now. Honestly feel bad for him and mostly fans.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
I agree. BPA is subjective. Need is a basic human condition. Draft the BPA at your position of need. BPA being subjective then means drafting the needed player that best suits your scheme. A great draft is one that best
executes that plan…Steelers and Ravens for example. So NC stating he doesn’t know what need means I guess means he looks only at player pieces that lock the whole puzzle together.
TejasTom
All Pro
That describes the entire oline from last season.
Texian
Hall of Fame
The brigade is either missing the point or does not understand it. The Drafts before the Bill O'Brien/Nick Caserio were respectable and handled with a plan. In a draft that was deepest in the middle, with players, O'Brien went 3 rounds without a draft pick. In Nick's first year introduction to the Texans, he traded draft picks for 3 different players who were all cut in training camp. That pretty much explains the Caserio Texans era. AKA flying by the seat of your pants. THE POINT is, it is not as much as the players that you draft, but how you get to the point of picking the player, THAT IS.
Since 2014, the Texans' draft boards have been disappointing at best. If the brigade were honest and lived in the real world, they would know that their deaf and blind dog could crap on a piece of paper listed with first RD draft picks and have a respectable draft. Also in the Caserio era, the Head Coaches and their staff have had control of the draft picks. Nick is there to facilitate and administer their directives. This has not changed.
The other thing the brigade is either missing or denying is the scoreboard. In their 20+ years, the Houston Texans' drafts have produced teams that have difficulty beating teams over .500, and when they do make the playoffs, they lose the first game, or at best, they win one, and then they are done. The Houston Texans' drafts are a reason why they are one of four teams that have never played in the Super Bowl. This has not changed.
When you trade away your first-round draft pick, you should get a first-round draft pick in return, if you do not, you have been played. Getting played seems to happen a lot to the Master Trader. That said, Caserio is not the problem; it is the people who hired him. One of them is gone, but the spirit of Jack Easterby still lives on in the halls of the Houston Texans. Keep Calm and Carry ON.
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Texian
Hall of Fame
Correct. Most teams see Caserio as an easy target. This aside, when you look under the covers, it is easy to see that Caserio was in DeMeco's ear to fire Bobby Slowik and to hire Nick Caley. You know, a John Carroll and New England Patriots alum. So what does that get you? A new offense, a new playbook, in with Erhardt-Perkins, out with WCO passing game and the Zone Blocking running game. That brings a need to change out the Oline and bring in a new one. I don't think there is any question that Nick Caley had a BIG hand in this draft and his fellow John Carroll and Patriots alum was all too glad to help him. Besties do that. Welcome Back Bill O'Brien. In his 3rd year, CJ gets his 2nd OC. So, you got all of this to look forward to. Sorry to say, but it is going to be another 2 to 3 years before the Houston Texans can start all over again. However, the spirit of Jack Easterby and the New England Patriots are ALIVE and Well at Two NRG Park!Not this early and not giving up next years third. Saw him as value pick. Passed on Sampson for Woody Marks?
This is the most reaching for need, giveaway, under DeMeco regime. Round off value every round.
Caserio is being used and abused with no checks or balances. He’s impatient and other teams sense it and extract blood/draft capital. Give it away, Give it away now, Give it away now. Honestly feel bad for him and mostly fans.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
Sometimes reporters say stuff to get fans hung up about the topic to create attention for the reporter.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Are you still a Nick Caserio fanboy? I think he was referring to Nick's propensity and pattern of behavior to piss away draft picks. Remember in Nick's first year when he traded a handful of draft picks for players that were either cut or traded for less before the end of training camp?
He's done a great job rebuilding this team and he also setup next years draft. Does that make me a fanboy?
What pick did he piss away?
I remember Caserio's first year when he pissed away picks trading up for Collins.
Texian
Hall of Fame
He traded away the first-round pick and did not get a first-round pick in return. He got played, which has become his MO. If you think this was the best trade in the draft, look no further than the trade immediately after the Texans' #25 pick. Then there was the trade of a next year 3rd round pick to move up to the 4th round to draft a backup RB. This is not surprising, this is your typical Nick flying by the seat of his pants.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
That's a lot to unpack and project, however based on this past draft there is an apparent U-Turn in evaluation, fit & player acquisition.
How many ol coaches, different schemes has he drafted for?
Wasting your time amigo
He’ll scurry under his rock again when we start winning and never admit he’s wrong.
I like the fact that he's got these picks in next years draft .
1st
Two 2nds
3rd
Two 4ths
I also don't have a problem with Caserio using a 2026 3rd for Marks. Although Marks isn't the RB I would have picked.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
First Round was a complete debacle. He worked harder for less than probably anything he's ever experienced before. Even the trade up for Will Anderson, Jr. At least in that case he got a blue chipper.
Know he tried to trade up and probably offered more than fair trade value, but at the very minimum, it was imperative he get ahead of Minnesota.
No offensive guards?
Reaching for developmental OT instead of taking one in first?
Trading away all extra draft capital both this year and next for players projected rounds later?
Never in a thousand years did I imagine agreeing with Texian, instead on you my friend, this is a sad day indeed & probably end of me doing any further draft work as it relates to Texans.
TxnsJuggernaut1
All Pro
I bet you dollars to doughnuts British Brooks will be a star in the NFL!
It is too soon to know if this is a terrible offensive line draft imo.
cland
Rookie
First Round was a complete debacle. He worked harder for less than probably anything he's ever experienced before. Even the trade up for Will Anderson, Jr. At least in that case he got a blue chipper.
Know he tried to trade up and probably offered more than fair trade value, but at the very minimum, it was imperative he get ahead of Minnesota.
No offensive guards?
Reaching for developmental OT instead of taking one in first?
Trading away all extra draft capital both this year and next for players projected rounds later?
Never in a thousand years did I imagine agreeing with Texian, instead on you my friend, this is a sad day indeed & probably end of me doing any further draft work as it relates to Texans.
No guard is probably my biggest criticism. But Caserio still has post-draft FA and I wouldn't be surprised if another vet was brought in to compete.
Texian
Hall of Fame
First Round was a complete debacle. He worked harder for less than probably anything he's ever experienced before. Even the trade up for Will Anderson, Jr. At least in that case he got a blue chipper.
Know he tried to trade up and probably offered more than fair trade value, but at the very minimum, it was imperative he get ahead of Minnesota.
No offensive guards?
Reaching for developmental OT instead of taking one in first?
Trading away all extra draft capital both this year and next for players projected rounds later?
Never in a thousand years did I imagine agreeing with Texian, instead on you my friend, this is a sad day indeed & probably end of me doing any further draft work as it relates to Texans.
In hindsight, this very much looks like a Nick Caley draft for his new offense.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
First Round was a complete debacle. He worked harder for less than probably anything he's ever experienced before. Even the trade up for Will Anderson, Jr. At least in that case he got a blue chipper.
Know he tried to trade up and probably offered more than fair trade value, but at the very minimum, it was imperative he get ahead of Minnesota.
No offensive guards?
Reaching for developmental OT instead of taking one in first?
Trading away all extra draft capital both this year and next for players projected rounds later?
Never in a thousand years did I imagine agreeing with Texian, instead on you my friend, this is a sad day indeed & probably end of me doing any further draft work as it relates to Texans.
I felt similar day one, albeit I thought they missed on a WR. I liked Connerly, but he is also a developmental guy. Simmons was never on their board apparently.
I don't see the point of wasting draft capital to go up and draft a guard. I've never been big on drafting guards in the first anyways, unless it is a freak talent.
There was no way to jump up in the top 10 to get a polished OT
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Very true! But no one else was drafting guards either. I think two centers were drafted in total. IOL was just not there
Texian
Hall of Fame
You do know that without doing anything at all, a team gets a pick in seven rounds? So, instead of two twos, it could have been two ones. Now imagine for moment, that you package the two ones together and move up into the Top 10, and draft a premier franchise LT.
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Mariotexan
Noob
I agree, he should of received a 2026 1st in return, seemed desperate. Especially ATL and LA trade on the 26TH, much rather have a 1st next year.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Casserio rebuilt the team, got a franchise QB, and built a team that went from a dumpster fire to the playoffs. But he sucks because he didn't maximize imaginary draft points on a chart that no one has taken seriously since the 90s.
Texian is Mel Kiper. He wants his big white QB that every team needs to win a Super Bowl. Such legends as Blake Bortels, Spenser Rattler, and Will Levis.
Texian
Hall of Fame
You are right, I won't be here long. I'll be back next year for next year's draft. I do not come for the picks. I come to see the clown show known as the Houston Texans' draft. Rest assured we will start next year with what could the Texans have done with the Falcons 1st RD draft pick. I'll also be talking about the clown show and a team that still finds it difficult to beat teams over .500, and if they make the playoffs, they might beat a team without a QB, and if they do, then it will be one and done. You will still be talking about and praising whatever smoke Nick Caserio is blowing up your skirt. In the meantime, I am lamenting how the Texans could've had the Super Bowl Champions, the Philadelphia Eagles Defense.
Off the Colts and jumpin onto the Eagles bandwagon!
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Mike linebacker was probably the biggest hole that wasn't addressed in the offseason (so far). A DE/OLB tweener to help rush the passer and an interior rusher would have been cool.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
So Caley was the one who wanted to pass on Josh Conerly Jr, best feet, most athletic OT of the 2025 draft class. Your welcome Commanders, now you can bookend him with Larmey Tunsil to protect your franchise, rookie of 2024 QB Jayden Daniels.
Did acquire WR weapons but passed on a single interior offensive linemen, a line that yielded 48 sacks with Tunsil, not great both Nicks
Draft grades are laughable, especially this one. Texans are not for everyone and everyone is not right for the Texans. Have a good offseason & season with that.
This is the only point I'm going to disagree with you on. Lots of players went higher than the "experts" projected & a lot went later. These "experts" aren't compiling the lists that count.
It's good for off-season chatter, but they don't take into account the interviews the coaches & scouts have with players & coaches.
TheRealJoker V2
Veteran
People have to be reminded of this after every draft. I would love to see what makes NFL front office angry on draft night. I could see them getting mad in round 4 because a player on a media draft gurus board projected in round 6 was taken in front of them… but on the team’s board he was a 3, Different teams place a value on different skillsets more than a catch all media big board. And like you said, we don’t have access to player interviews or medical red flags which tank prospects every year.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
I remember all the experts bashed the Lions for reaching for Gibbs a few years ago. The GM basically said "Who gives a **** about grades?" Worked out pretty well for them.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
The Texans are a good team. This is such a rare occurrence that people don't know how to react to it. You don't need 8000 draft picks in 2026, you need the right players now.
Yeah, the Texans didn't draft a lot of O-line. No one else did either.
My biggest ***** is getting rid of Tunsil in a year where you couldn't replace him.
Yeah, the Texans didn't draft a lot of O-line. No one else did either.
My biggest ***** is getting rid of Tunsil in a year where you couldn't replace him.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
At some point you have to accept that the projections are inaccurate. Every team goes against the experts and their projections and more often than not the teams are correct.First Round was a complete debacle. He worked harder for less than probably anything he's ever experienced before. Even the trade up for Will Anderson, Jr. At least in that case he got a blue chipper.
Know he tried to trade up and probably offered more than fair trade value, but at the very minimum, it was imperative he get ahead of Minnesota.
No offensive guards?
Reaching for developmental OT instead of taking one in first?
Trading away all extra draft capital both this year and next for players projected rounds later?
Never in a thousand years did I imagine agreeing with Texian, instead on you my friend, this is a sad day indeed & probably end of me doing any further draft work as it relates to Texans.
I would think that after the last two drafts Caserio would have built up a little trust, but I guess not.
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Didn't replace him longterm. Cam Robinson is a good LT. He's not the future & the guys in this draft were most likely not either.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
By moving down the Texans basically traded Connerly for Wiggins.
That is if the Texans even wanted him. They were obviously wanting to land Donovan Jackson, since they traded out as soon as he was off the board. If they tyhought he was a possible franchise tackle, they would have stayed put and taken him IMO
Connerly was my favorite realistic target lineman in the draft, and I was pissed day one.
That is if the Texans even wanted him. They were obviously wanting to land Donovan Jackson, since they traded out as soon as he was off the board. If they tyhought he was a possible franchise tackle, they would have stayed put and taken him IMO
Connerly was my favorite realistic target lineman in the draft, and I was pissed day one.
TheRealJoker V2
Veteran
I wanted Jackson at 25. Happy the Packers got Golden before I had to find out if the Texans wanted him at 25. My WR board was Egbuka then Higgins in that range of players.
Satisfied with the trade down and Higgins. Conerly is a fine prospect, but he was in that “band of players” with Higgins imo. Jackson was the last player I had in the higher band of players i’d take at 25.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Nick Caley is no Alex Gibbs. Caley is a TE coach and a passing game coordinator. It might explain his focus on WRs and an RB who can catch checkdowns. Same to you.So Caley was the one who wanted to pass on Josh Conerly Jr, best feet, most athletic OT of the 2025 draft class. Your welcome Commanders, now you can bookend him with Larmey Tunsil to protect your franchise, rookie of 2024 QB Jayden Daniels.
Did acquire WR weapons but passed on a single interior offensive linemen, a line that yielded 48 sacks with Tunsil, not great both Nicks
Draft grades are laughable, especially this one. Texans are not for everyone and everyone is not right for the Texans. Have a good offseason & season with that.
Texian
Hall of Fame
No, I do not. I do hate it when they fail because of incompetence. BIG difference. I'm not going to cheer for premeditated average and ordinary.
Texian
Hall of Fame
My comments show that I was all in for several Georgia players, and I even picked them in my live draft before they became Eagles. But you are going to do what you do.
He hasn't built this team like some wanted and they're wanting/hoping Caserio fails. He addressed the OL as an example. But many had Conerly over Ersery. Caserio wanted Ersery over Conerly. Time will tell who's correct.
Have they failed over the last 3 yrs?
beerlover
Hall of Fame
That’s privileged information for sure, yet does not dissuade what my eyes see watching tape. I’ve made it abundantly clear, anyone going off PFF draft grades will be missing value unless verified with your own evaluation.
I’ll bet (without inside knowledge) Caserio had been in contact with the Cowboys, probably for Banks. When New Orleans selected Banks, Texan board room went right back to work to trade up for Booker (don’t know this for fact, just gut feeling). So when Dallas took Booker off the board, Texans were reeling, call it plan C. Plan C didn’t work out either as none of the teams selecting ahead were willing to trade picks. So we ended up with plan D. Trade down, take Higgins. It happens, this draft did not fall the Texans or Caserio way.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
OMG so Woody Marks is now Josh Gibbs?
What intel suggested Woody was going early in the 4th? I’ve watched his tape, he was well rounded on the College level but JAG on the NFL level and to make matters worse you gave up a 3rd in addition. One of the Texans all time head scratching moves and that’s saying something.
Depends on what they think of Ersery?
beerlover
Hall of Fame
While Conerly is way higher on my board than Donovan Jackson or what the Texans believed, if that was their evaluation, give up that 3rd pick you gave up for Woody just to move up one spot for Jackson.
calishung7717
Waterboy
First Round was a complete debacle. He worked harder for less than probably anything he's ever experienced before. Even the trade up for Will Anderson, Jr. At least in that case he got a blue chipper.
Know he tried to trade up and probably offered more than fair trade value, but at the very minimum, it was imperative he get ahead of Minnesota.
No offensive guards?
Reaching for developmental OT instead of taking one in first?
Trading away all extra draft capital both this year and next for players projected rounds later?
Never in a thousand years did I imagine agreeing with Texian, instead on you my friend, this is a sad day indeed & probably end of me doing any further draft work as it relates to Texans.
Still have two 2nds and two 4ths next year along with NYG's 3rd. Seems like the only interior lineman they were truly in love with was Booker. Dallas wanted a haul for 12 and just ended up taking him instead. Not really sure how developmental Ersery is? I haven't watched enough of him. He's played a lot at lt and some nfl teams had round one grades on him.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Funny, did you listen to stream couple days before the draft on S&L with John Harris? Check it out, see what his initial reaction to Ersery was then how he flipped post selection.
calishung7717
Waterboy
Caserio mentioned a guy late Thursday night that was still on the board after round one that they were considering at 25. All signs point to it being Higgins. I think they knew Banks was a long shot and that they had Booker as their main target coming into draft night. Dallas wanted way too much apparently to give up 12. Have seen other rumors that they were sniffing around on moving up for Egbuka as well but no one would trade and he went 19. You also have Breer mentioning the Texans and another team making calls about trading up from the 2nd round for Conerly so who knows?