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Draft Priorities

beerlover said:
Owen Daniels in the 4th (clearly a Kubiak pick) then Wali Lundy in 6th (no longer on the team) & David Anderson barely haning in there.
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It's been mentioned, but it is a FACT that Owen wasn't "clearly" a Kubiak pick and Casserly is the one who sold him to the team...

David Anderson isn't "barely" hanging in there either....And just in case you didn't know David Anderson WAS a Kubiak pick...

I think he played ball with his son...
 
real said:
It's been mentioned, but it is a FACT that Owen wasn't "clearly" a Kubiak pick and Casserly is the one who sold him to the team...

David Anderson isn't "barely" hanging in there either....And just in case you didn't know David Anderson WAS a Kubiak pick...

I think he played ball with his son...
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even if Casserly gets credit for Owen Daniels it hardley supports 06 as the best draft in Texans history under the circumstances. pretty damn sad if you have to nit pick later rd. selections when you have the #1 overall pick not once but twice :gun:
 
beerlover said:
even if Casserly gets credit for Owen Daniels it hardley supports 06 as the best draft in Texans history under the circumstances. pretty damn sad if you have to nit pick later rd. selections when you have the #1 overall pick not once but twice :gun:
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Huh?

The 1st time we had the first overall was because of the expansion draft...You realize that right ?

And if 06 wasn't our best draft then I don't know which one was...
 
real said:
Huh?

The 1st time we had the first overall was because of the expansion draft...You realize that right ?

And if 06 wasn't our best draft then I don't know which one was...
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The expansion draft and regular draft are two totally different issues. But yes 06 was a fantastic draft.
 
real said:
Huh?

The 1st time we had the first overall was because of the expansion draft...You realize that right ?

And if 06 wasn't our best draft then I don't know which one was...
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its funny (not) how sometimes you find yourself on the other side of the fence defending something your not 100% behind, regardless it was Casserlys best draft & a good draft for the Texans I'll give you that :ok: howEVER I maintain it could have been a whole lot better if Rick Smith had been the GM & don't make me bring out the trump card cause I want to keep this on the level.

but since you don't respect my opinion or seemingly anyone else here who posts in the draft forum, maybe you'll at least take into consideration what draft experts/anaylsts who get paid think, then again maybe not :cool:

I think this report is about as fair as any-

draft stock report- http://www.draftstock.com/site_main/content/view/154/44/

2006 Houston Texans Draft Grade
1(1) Mario Williams DE NC State
2(33) DeMeco Ryans LB Alabama
3(65) Charles Spencer OG Pittsburgh
3(66) Eric Winston OT Miami ( Fla. )
4(98) Owen Daniels TE Wisconsin
6(170) Wali Lundy RB Virginia
7(251) David Anderson WR Colorado State

Day One Analysis: We all knew on the eve of the draft that Mario Williams was going to be #1. I applaud the Texans for laying off Reggie Bush because Williams fills a bigger need, although he will need time to develop. I still think the best thing to do would have been to trade out of the top pick but with the Texans staying put they made the best selection possible for the future. Ryans is a well-rounded prospect who would fit in almost anywhere. Houston may try him at middle linebacker, if he shows he can tackle consistently it will be a great fit. I’m not as high on Spencer or Winston but the Texans started to address their biggest area of need, the offensive line.

Day Two Analysis: Owen Daniels looks like the new Bennie Joppru without the injuries. Wali Lundy gives the Texans another option catching the football out of the backfield. David Anderson isn’t a pick that excited me. I think the Texans could have done a little better on day two but the picks weren’t totally bad.
Fantasy Impact: There will be so much pressure on Williams in his first year. To me he was worthy of the top pick but there will be other defenders that have bigger impacts on the game right out of the gate. Williams will need some time at the pro level. DeMeco Ryans would be a wise choice in your IDP draft, he isn’t as talented as some of the linebackers taken before him but he is the complete package.

Overall Grade: B

this one from SI is scathing & they give the Texans a D http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/dr_z/05/02/draft.grades/3.html


TEXANS: I'm not kidding. There are scouts who don't like DE Mario Williams because they say he takes a play off every now and then. The Reggie Bush thing will be a heavy stone they'll drag around from year to year. And the frosting on the cake was owner Bob McNair telling the New York press that it wasn't the fact that they couldn't sign Bush as much as a desire to draft for defense. Respectfully, sir, may I remind you that you were not addressing town folks. This was The Apple. Ah, why go on? He knows, we know, everyone knows, this was a bum deal all around for the folks in Houston.

you also have to take the entire package of picks over at least a three year period to access a fair grade so the jury is still out on the 2006 class, be that as it may I'm strongly of the opinion that the Texans were severly hampered with Casserly at the controls. Just look at how the Texans have done in the draft since 2004: Total picks: 22 2006 Starters: 7 2006 Backups: 7 On Other teams: 2 Out of NFL,: 5
 
After todays game against the Jags, my 1st rd pick is going to be a LT. I have given salaam every benefit of the doubt whiles he's played...but i'm not going to do that next season at the expense of Schaub, Green, etc. I think he's done a decent job of coming in and being our LT, even though we all know he's not our long term solution.

I will re-address the other concerns briefly:
RB, FS, CB are the other biggest needs on our team.

I'm excited to watch Bennet develop and he's the only reason I wouldn't spend a 1st rd pick on a CB (faggins is a decent nickle).

RB is a big need for us to. If Taylor comes back 100%, we'll have decent backs in Green & Taylor- however a guy like Jonathan Stewart would be awesome. With the paydays for RB's these days... I don't see us paying out $$ resigning a guy like Alexander or LJ if we had him. AFter his rookie contract give him up...and bring up another RB you've drafted the year before that can come in and run behind your dominant OL.

FS- Hutchins seems to be performing fairly well. I think having a ball hawking FS would do more for this secondary than anything. Dunta has been great, bennet is up and coming...but our safeties are horrible in pass coverage.


So getting a guy like Sam Baker or Barry Richardson is what I'm hoping for right now. I'd love to have a guy lock down that position for 10+ years and continue building through the trenches.
 
I would think the fact that we got absolutly murdered by running plays to the outside would have lead some to realilize that OLB is a bigger need then some initally thought.

I'd list the needs as:
1. RB
2. OLB
3. LT
4. DBs
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I would think the fact that we got absolutly murdered by running plays to the outside would have lead some to realilize that OLB is a bigger need then some initally thought.

I'd list the needs as:
1. RB
2. OLB
3. LT
4. DBs
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Dan Connor
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I would think the fact that we got absolutly murdered by running plays to the outside would have lead some to realilize that OLB is a bigger need then some initally thought.
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I will choose to be blind to this a little longer. If we choose a LB in the 1st next year, I'm going to kill myself for us not taking Willis last year. (I love Okoye)

If OLB is that big of need for us, I really really hope its because our secondary has REALLY stepped it up by the end of the season.

I'd like to see us get a good LT before we get a RB.
I am thinking that OLB is a bigger need than CB right now, but FS is big concern for me. we need COVERAGE.
 
Kubiak and Smith HAVE to look at Offensive skill positions and OL. Andre Davis proved today why he can't stick with a team. Green and Dayne are washed up. Our OL is CRAP. The DL is overpaid and CRAP.

Draft RB, OL, CB, and WR. They proved with Lundy that they can't wait until the 6th round to take a no name, so they will have to spend an earlier pick on someone who can RUN THE BALL.
 
I think folks are panicking...

Yeah we got blew out today, but it's not the end of the world let a lone the season...

Lets see how they respond next week before we start demanding guys heads....
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
After todays game against the Jags, my 1st rd pick is going to be a LT. I have given salaam every benefit of the doubt whiles he's played...but i'm not going to do that next season at the expense of Schaub, Green, etc. I think he's done a decent job of coming in and being our LT, even though we all know he's not our long term solution.

I will re-address the other concerns briefly:
RB, FS, CB are the other biggest needs on our team.

I'm excited to watch Bennet develop and he's the only reason I wouldn't spend a 1st rd pick on a CB (faggins is a decent nickle).

RB is a big need for us to. If Taylor comes back 100%, we'll have decent backs in Green & Taylor- however a guy like Jonathan Stewart would be awesome. With the paydays for RB's these days... I don't see us paying out $$ resigning a guy like Alexander or LJ if we had him. AFter his rookie contract give him up...and bring up another RB you've drafted the year before that can come in and run behind your dominant OL.

FS- Hutchins seems to be performing fairly well. I think having a ball hawking FS would do more for this secondary than anything. Dunta has been great, bennet is up and coming...but our safeties are horrible in pass coverage.


So getting a guy like Sam Baker or Barry Richardson is what I'm hoping for right now. I'd love to have a guy lock down that position for 10+ years and continue building through the trenches.
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I was going to post your first two paragraphs today myself. I know it will not happen but I would go LT or RB in first. I do not care what the reason is, our drafting RB in lower rounds is no longer working. Taylor, may work out but based on what? We need a presence in red zone and I thought this game it would be full backs and TEs. Spencer? Right. I want to begin 08 hoping he makes the team then worry about him starting. I am hopeful Bennett will continue to grow and eliminate need to use a pick on CB.
 
SteelBlueToro said:
Kubiak and Smith HAVE to look at Offensive skill positions and OL. Andre Davis proved today why he can't stick with a team. Green and Dayne are washed up. Our OL is CRAP. The DL is overpaid and CRAP.

Draft RB, OL, CB, and WR. They proved with Lundy that they can't wait until the 6th round to take a no name, so they will have to spend an earlier pick on someone who can RUN THE BALL.
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Yeah, cause our defense has proven to be so effective at stopping the other team. Jones-Drew looked like an All-Pro, Harrington looked like a real NFL QB (which he is not), Peyton and Co. had their usual fun, and lets not forget Steve Smith.

I really think the offense is still closer to being playoff caliber then the D.
 
real said:
OLB is the way to go...
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did the Texans change defensive schemes to a 3-4 :cool:

has Richard Smith used his weakside (Greenwood) or strongside (Orr) in blitz packages? if so how many times a game? the Texans need to establish fear in oppossing QB's via a legitimate pass rush :bowser:
 
beerlover said:
did the Texans change defensive schemes to a 3-4 :cool:

has Richard Smith used his weakside (Greenwood) or strongside (Orr) in blitz packages? if so how many times a game? the Texans need to establish fear in oppossing QB's via a legitimate pass rush :bowser:
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So...another D-lineman? Or maybe an OLB who has good blitz skills.

And FYI, there are 2 OLB's in both the 4-3 and the 3-4.
 
beerlover said:
OLB signifies a 3-4 defense, while weakside/mlb/strongside denote a 4-3 :bat:
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Is that something you just came up with?

OLB is OLB. Go look at all the nfl guides/draft guides, the LB are always broken down into inside and outside. Regardless of what scheme they play. But since we all know that we play a 4-3, I thought it was safe to assume that most people woul dunderstand OLB as either weakside or stongside. But I guess not.

But to make you happy we need a new SAM and a new WILL, both of whom need to have good blitzing skills. Blitzes do not work if the guys you are blitzing cannot get to the QB.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
But to make you happy we need a new SAM and a new WILL, both of whom need to have good blitzing skills. Blitzes do not work if the guys you are blitzing cannot get to the QB.
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yeah that makes me :)

the Texans spent the first four years running the 3-4 now they use the 4-3. I admit having an issue with terminology & if I have a problem with it I'm betting others are as well. so it really does help to talk the talk in regards to the positions slang, terms like WILL & SAM then what are their roles, expectations & skill sets. so when I hear OLB I automatically think of a converted DE who is a pass rushing specialist :cowboy1:
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Yeah, cause our defense has proven to be so effective at stopping the other team. Jones-Drew looked like an All-Pro, Harrington looked like a real NFL QB (which he is not), Peyton and Co. had their usual fun, and lets not forget Steve Smith.

I really think the offense is still closer to being playoff caliber then the D.
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You're kidding, right? The offense? :um:

Have you been watching the games? Can't score TDs in the red zone, can't run the ball, don't have solid receiving corps? It's been the same song every year since 2002.

There's no way the offense is anywhere near playoff caliber.

As for the defense, pouring all but 2 of the teams first round picks on defense hasn't helped. Maybe it's their def coordinator...
 
I'm quessing you missed the word closer didn't you?

I never said either unit was playoff caliber I said that the offense is closer then the defense.

ugh.

And maybe it is Smith, but I also see a lack of talent at several positions.
 
If we want a WILL, go with Keith Rivers. If we want a SAM, go with Dan Connors.

I'm hoping Kenny Phillips falls to us though.
 
SteelBlueToro said:
You're kidding, right? The offense?
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I think he's pretty spot on...

You can easily look at what is wrong with the offense...RB,C, LT....simple...We know what we need to address there...



The defense is where things get muddled...Some say it's the D-coordinator, some say it's the safeties...some say it's the corner...

Some say our D-line sucks...and a select few have voiced displeasure with the LB corps...

Personally, I think a better WLB helps us better overall..Both in pass coverage, putting pressure on the quaterback from blitzes, and making plays in the run game...

At least the D-line and DB's have made plays this year...turnovers, sacks, INT's and such...

Our linebackers have yet to make their presence felt in one single game this year....And the thing about it is that the LB's should be making the MOST plays...not the least....They are truly right in the middle of ALL the action...
 
real said:
Personally, I think a better WLB helps us better overall..Both in pass coverage, putting pressure on the quaterback from blitzes, and making plays in the run game...

At least the D-line and DB's have made plays this year...turnovers and such...

Our linebackers have yet to make their presence felt in one single game this year....And the thing about it is that the LB's should be making the MOST plays...not the least....
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what do you think about moving DeMeco Ryans to WLB & drafting a stud MIKE like Ohio State (JR.) James Laurinaitis (6-3, 250)? if in fact WLB is our biggest need I can't think of a better LB than DeMeco & Laurinaitis excells @ plugging the middle.
 
beerlover said:
what do you think about moving DeMeco Ryans to WLB & drafting a stud MLB like Ohio State (JR.) James Laurinaitis (6-3, 250)? if in fact WLB is our biggest need I can't think of a better LB than DeMeco & Laurinaitis excells @ plugging the middle.
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I think that sounds good in theory....I personally wouldn't do it just because of the chemistry, and him being the defensive leader...plus the fact that he said he likes playing mike...

But i'm not saying that it wouldn't work....If that's something they wanted to try, I could definitely understand that at this point...He'd make more plays and be more active than Morlon is...that's for sure...

But that's the great thing about football...There is more than one way to skin a cat....
 
beerlover said:
what do you think about moving DeMeco Ryans to WLB & drafting a stud MLB like Ohio State (JR.) James Laurinaitis (6-3, 250)? if in fact WLB is our biggest need I can't think of a better LB than DeMeco & Laurinaitis excells @ plugging the middle.
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I wouldn't be opposed to it, just like I was not opposed to drafting Willis last year and moving Ryans to the weakside. Then again I'd be pretty happy with Rivers playing weakside and Ryans staying in the middle.

I still think that Ryan's greatest talent is his ability to get to the QB on a blitz, and the best place to use that ability is at Will. Add to that is ability to get through traffic to make a play and you have the makings of a really good weakside linebacker. My concern with moving DeMeco to the weakside is that he will be asked to cover more often, and I'm not sold on his coverage abilities. And as real pointed out, he is he defensive leader and there is already a good chemistry there.

I also wouldn't mind seeing what Diles could do at some point this season, just to know what we may or may not have.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I wouldn't be opposed to it, just like I was not opposed to drafting Willis last year and moving Ryans to the weakside. Then again I'd be pretty happy with Rivers playing weakside and Ryans staying in the middle.

I still think that Ryan's greatest talent is his ability to get to the QB on a blitz, and the best place to use that ability is at Will. Add to that is ability to get through traffic to make a play and you have the makings of a really good weakside linebacker. My concern with moving DeMeco to the weakside is that he will be asked to cover more often, and I'm not sold on his coverage abilities. And as real pointed out, he is he defensive leader and there is already a good chemistry there.

I also wouldn't mind seeing what Diles could do at some point this season, just to know what we may or may not have.
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I suppose if they did'nt want to move DeMeco & draft Willis they probably won't move Ryans period. However because he has proven the ability to read the play, which leads to early recognition & quick reaction skills DeMeco could become a more viable component of a pass rush @ the WILL.
 
beerlover said:
I suppose if they did'nt want to move DeMeco & draft Willis they probably won't move Ryans period. However because he has proven the ability to read the play, which leads to early recognition & quick reaction skills DeMeco could become a more viable component of a pass rush @ the WILL.
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DeMeco was a great blitzer at Alabama, I'm fairly confident he could do it well in the NFL.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
DeMeco was a great blitzer at Alabama, I'm fairly confident he could do it well in the NFL.
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this could be real effective (DeMeco-WILL behind Mario Williams-RDE) until teams game plan a TE next to the Tackle & funnel plays to the strong side. The Texans could also disguise this @ MIKE by giving DeMeco the green light, read & react when the Tackle is uncover'ed attacking the edge?
 
The strange thing about switching from the 3-4 is that both Mario and Amobi would probably be better 3-4 DEs than the positions they are at now.
 
I think Mario would be better as a 3-4 DE, but I think Amobi is best in the 4-3...His skill set isn't that of a 3-4 DE....

I still think we effed up signing Weaver...
 
The1ApplePie said:
Maybe McFadden will steal a car or something and fall like 15 spots.

If not, trade down and grab Slaton (before Denver does)
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I dont want any part of Slaton. He looks to close to a Reggie Bush clone. There are good things & bad things about that, but if we are destined to take a running back in the 1st, I'm looking for Jonathan Stewart.
 
bah007 said:
I dont want any part of Slaton. He looks to close to a Reggie Bush clone. There are good things & bad things about that, but if we are destined to take a running back in the 1st, I'm looking for Jonathan Stewart.
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Slaton has his moments. I would still take him though. I want a legit runningback, and I dont know alot about Stewart
 
rmartin65 said:
Slaton has his moments. I would still take him though. I want a legit runningback, and I dont know alot about Stewart
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until they (scouts) can find a way to measure a players :heart: RB will remain a very difficult measure to weight, outside the obvious elite talent. I've watched Johnathan Stewart on occassion & he reminds me alot of a bigger version of Maruice Drew (larger bowling ball) the Ducks have transformed their offense this year because of a change in the offensive coordinator Chip Kelly so the offense is spread out & no one player will be accountable (other than the QB Dixon) with gaudy numbers. But comparing Slaton, a slotback with game brreaking speed to a smash mouth between the tackles rb is more about the system they fit into rather than pure talent since they are so different.
 
I'm with you on that Tulexan...


Slaton runs into the backs of his linemen too much for my taste...
 
We seem to be getting to the red zone frequently just not into the end zone. I can't see Slaton punching the rock in from inside the ten. Other teams TEs have been bread and butter scoring. What happened to ours?
 
beerlover said:
until they (scouts) can find a way to measure a players :heart: RB will remain a very difficult measure to weight, outside the obvious elite talent. I've watched Johnathan Stewart on occassion & he reminds me alot of a bigger version of Maruice Drew (larger bowling ball) the Ducks have transformed their offense this year because of a change in the offensive coordinator Chip Kelly so the offense is spread out & no one player will be accountable (other than the QB Dixon) with gaudy numbers. But comparing Slaton, a slotback with game brreaking speed to a smash mouth between the tackles rb is more about the system they fit into rather than pure talent since they are so different.
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That would be difficult, comparing the two different systems. But Stewart sounds like a smashmouth guy, instead of a one cut guy like Slaton

tulexan said:
I think I would take Felix Jones over Steve Slaton
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Yea, but he has to come out. He is definately a better pure back. Slaton seems like Bush. But from the games I have seen he runs inside a bit more, but that may be because the D is spread out because of the spread offense.
 
rmartin65 said:
That would be difficult, comparing the two different systems. But Stewart sounds like a smashmouth guy, instead of a one cut guy like Slaton



Yea, but he has to come out. He is definately a better pure back. Slaton seems like Bush. But from the games I have seen he runs inside a bit more, but that may be because the D is spread out because of the spread offense.
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Correct.
 
bah007 said:
I dont want any part of Slaton. He looks to close to a Reggie Bush clone. There are good things & bad things about that, but if we are destined to take a running back in the 1st, I'm looking for Jonathan Stewart.
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I'm with you there. Stewart reminds me of Frank Gore.
 
One idea I've been thinking about is to trade or cut(ouch) weaver, and get a DE that can rush the passer from the right side. Move Mario to the left.
 
beerlover said:
until they (scouts) can find a way to measure a players :heart: RB will remain a very difficult measure to weight, outside the obvious elite talent. I've watched Johnathan Stewart on occassion & he reminds me alot of a bigger version of Maruice Drew (larger bowling ball) the Ducks have transformed their offense this year because of a change in the offensive coordinator Chip Kelly so the offense is spread out & no one player will be accountable (other than the QB Dixon) with gaudy numbers. But comparing Slaton, a slotback with game brreaking speed to a smash mouth between the tackles rb is more about the system they fit into rather than pure talent since they are so different.
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I've been following Stewart since he was a blue chip HS recruit (I was in a NCAA keeper league)....he has the perfect build for a NFL RB. He's gonna be a good one.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Whatever. There are plenty of examples in the NFL were a team drafted for need and ignored the BPA, and quess what it usually fails in a manner of epic proportions. Look at the string of CB reaches/busts over the years, same at QB, same at OT, etc.

If you think the Texans are good enough to take that chance and not have it hurt the team in the long run then you need to put the Kool-Aid down and step back from the bar.

FWIW, the draft is not the only way, nor neccesarily the best, to address issues on your roster.
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Lets see how many offensive tackles in how many years ? Where's that darn list. After you choked on six of them ...I'm fairly convinced that picking up a OT via free agency isn't just a bad idea, it's a disater. Boselli, Weigert,
Young, ....missing two of them...er ... Todd Wade, Victor Rilley, sorry can't think of # 6.
 
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