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[infantrycak]

the texans problem is pass blocking, you cant really gauge run blocking as a team unless you know what play is being called and everyones assignment....

Talk about being simplistic. The Texans OL's worst problem is pass blocking--that doesn't mean it is the only problem.

The only way you can judge a teams run blocking is to look at where the running backs typically have their first contact, and DD doesn't get hit too many times before he gets two yards...

No, you can look at that, the size of the holes opened, how well blockers are getting down field to make second level blocks, how well teams in zone blocking seal off the cut back lane (something the Texans are particularly poor at). Try watching Denver and Atlanta and tell us they are not clearly superior run blocking lines employing the same zone blocking scheme.

The underlined statement is just blatantly wrong.

I almost get the vibe that you are trying to tell me that if he were on the chargers, broncos, seahawks, chiefs, bears, bengals, falcons, giants or colts...Then he would be better than those teams running backs....or if any of those guys were on our team then they wouldn't be doing better than him...

Well you got your vibe on wrong, close, but wrong. Pretty simple assertion really--better blocking equals better production from the RB whoever he is and worse blocking equals less production from the RB. Yes it is reasonable to expect that if DD were running behind the Denver, KC, Atlanta or Seatle OL's that his ypc and overall stats would go up--in some instances that would not catch him up to the current RB in others it would.

It seems from your posts that you don't think the OL has anything to do with the performance of the RB. Best example around:

Clinton Portis
Denver 2002--5.5 ypc (11 carries of 20+), 2003--5.5 ypc (13 carries of 20+)
Washington 2004--3.8 ypc (5 carries of 20+), 2005--4.3 ypc (5 carries of 20+)

Hmmm, same RB--over 25% reduction in ypc and huge cutoff in home run threat (Bush fanatics take note here--the OL ceratinly does affect home run potential and getting a RB clean thru the hole). I'll stick with the OL has something to do with it.

 

[MikeMc]

Pot meet kettle. Railing against people and then pulls out a Conference USA homer rant.

You think I am talking about DeAngelo as a CUSA homer? Please! He has been one of the best if not THE best the past 3 years!

And how is it "pot meet kettle"? Maybe pot meet microwave? CUSA gets no love from the media because it is no a BCS conf. Maybe if you had seen DW play over the past 3 years you could comment. As a Coogs fan, I can comment and make a good opinion on what he is capable of.

BTW, he is rated as Mel Kiper #1 RB among the seniors and #7 on his Big Board. So I guess I have some validity to my comments!

 

[Kaiser Toro]

BTW, he is rated as Mel Kiper #1 RB among the seniors and #7 on his Big Board. So I guess I have some validity to my comments!

Pot meet kettle, part 2.

You guys are playing into the media's hands. They feed you garbage and you spout garbage.

 

[JDizzle]

Lol

 

[MikeMc]

Anything you'd like to add to this conversation, Kaiser?

Like I said, you are in Austin, and thus are feed the UT BS everyday, and how great Bush is. Why would anyone in the Austin media give any props to a CUSA school?

You probably have never heard of DeAngelo Williams until my mentioning. That is true example of media BS only focusing on the BCS conf schools and their players.

I guess the MAC Conf has yet to produce a decent QB! Where are all of the great UT QBs that have played in the NFL? Hell, UH has had two! UT???? one - Chris Simms!

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Anything you'd like to add to this conversation, Kaiser?

Like I said, you are in Austin, and thus are feed the UT BS everyday, and how great Bush is. Why would anyone in the Austin media give any props to a CUSA school?

You probably have never heard of DeAngelo Williams until my mentioning. That is true example of media BS only focusing on the BCS conf schools and their players.

I guess the MAC Conf has yet to produce a decent QB! Where are all of the great UT QBs that have played in the NFL? Hell, UH has had two! UT???? one - Chris Simms!

Do not assume you know me, because you do not. I went to a small school in upstate NY and represented many small college players in Europe. So I do not have any prejudice against smaller schools.

Go back and read my post and see what I said about Williams. I saw him earlier this year on Espn against UAB. As far as CUSA goes admittedly I do not watch alot of their games as it is difficult to find programming, but when they are on weekday night games I watch.

I watch college football because I like to see prospects for my team and do not buy into talking heads. I am a Texans fan. When it comes to UT I am a fan as well because I was born in Austin. I do not go to the games as I really do not like our fans either.

 

[real]

so now DD is clinton portis

 

[infantrycak]

so now DD is clinton portis

Seriously, if you can't understand the direct application of that example (try looking that word up) to the discussion at hand, well...

 

[real]

No I understand it perfectly... but what I am trying to get you to understand, is that O-line doesn't have as much to do with it as you are trying to tell me...IMO Barry Sanders...If you are talented then you will be talented anywhere...There is no x-factor...If you have talent it shouldn't be.."well if he had a better line"...he'll never be a 1500 yard rusher..period...and yeah he gets 1000 but that aint what it used to be

 

[real]

and of course you would use denver's line...anyone would have a drop of coming from denver....IMO portis will still get 1500 this season...DD would have to almost kill himself to smell 1350...

 

[infantrycak]

and of course you would use denver's line...anyone would have a drop of coming from denver...

Thank you. OL does matter--case closed.

IMO portis will still get 1500 this season

He is on pace for 1450 on get this 60 extra carries. But we already concluded the OL matters so you already knew that.

 

[real]

Thank you. OL does matter--case closed.



He is on pace for 1450 on get this 60 extra carries. But we already concluded the OL matters so you already knew that.

More carries+less injuries+better ypc average= better than ya boy DD

I never said OL didn't matter just not as much of a crutch you all are trying to give DD...

 

[real]

More carries+ less injuries+ better ypc average = better and more durable than ya boy DD

I never said OL didn't matter just not as much of a crutch you all are trying to give DD...

 

[LORK 88]

More carries+ less injuries+ better ypc average = better and more durable than ya boy DD

I never said OL didn't matter just not as much of a crutch you all are trying to give DD...

Clinton's YPC is 4.3 and Davis' is 4.2 so if you gave Davis the extra 45 carries that Portis got, there wouldnt be much difference. Davis has missed 5 games in his career compared to Clinton's 3.

You need to quit searching for reasons to call DD bad and give credit where its due. How many people have averaged over 4 YPC before or after Davis got here? NONE. How many 1000 yard rushers? ONLY DAVIS. Give him a good OL and he'll get your 1800 yard season.

 

[real]

1800 thats funny...everyone else thinks he's a 2000 kinda guy

 

[ccdude730]

with a good Oline DD can consistenly get 1500-1700 yards. as of now, our best weapon at run blocker is norris...the FB! 2000 total yards is something he can do as well.

his power and vision are underrated. he has questionable durability but when he accounts for so much of our offense, its not hard to see why. every offseason we hear about how we try to limit his touches so he can last longer but we continue to use him time and time again.

back to the dolphin game, mike, i remember him pushin zach thomas out of his way. thats his strength. if you remember the run against the jets using his vision and quickness. thats his strength.

i like DD and sure he isnt that bruiser back we need. but neither is bush...

 

[royce1054]

one 1 good thing about DD is i always see him get yards after contact.

Bush doesnt like to run between the tackles... what gonna happen when he gets hit by an NFL quality player not the PAC10. He will wish we traded him thats what.

 

[infantrycak]

better than ya boy DD

I never said OL didn't matter just not as much of a crutch you all are trying to give DD...

Try reading back thru the thread and catching my drift again instead of reading things into it.

1st you said DD doesn't get met in the backfield and make anything out of it--basically, DD doesn't get yards after contact. That is pretty patently untrue regardless of whether DD is a top 5 or top 50 RB. He is a tough interior runner as can easily be seen from his 1st game against Miami thru to the last game.

Then you asserted he rarely even makes it past one defender, i.e. DD gets tackled the majority of the time by the 1st guy--clearly wrong by even a cursory review of actual game film once again. Keep with me here--no assertion that DD is LT, but your statement is still wrong.

Your next assertion was there were at least 15 RB's with better ypc. I asked a question (not an assertion, a question) for you to name which of those RB's had OL's worse than the Texans. You asserted basically that OL quality basically can't be judged (although you certainly recognize it in Denver) and DD rarely gets hit before 2 yds down field. The 1st assertion is subject to opinion, the 2nd is demonstrably wrong. Staying with me--still no assertion DD is LT.

Then in your self vibe quote we get into OL's and come to the conclusion you actually do admit they make a difference. I don't see the assertions of DD's hall of fame running, but I see several incorrect assertions about what he and the Texans OL do accomplish.