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Draft a RB thread
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Ole Miss Texan
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Stewart is scheduled to be on the Rome Show, Friday November 2nd @ 12:25 pm (sports radio 610) in case anyone wants to hear the interview
I caught the tail end of it so didn't get to hear much. I tuned in right when he said Dennis and was about to change it (Thinking Franchione and ATM), but for some reason i tough of dennis dixon...which I never do. Lucky I did b/c it was Stewart and all I heard was him saying something to the likes of "well I couldn't perform or Dennis couldn't be near as successful with them....they are the real stars of this team and the ones that deserve the credit" he was talking about their Offensive line.
Again if anybody listened please let us know how the overall interview went. The little I did catch I thought he sounded like a well spoke, humble, kind of guy. this will be a great game this weekend.
Ole Miss Texan
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bully on the field coming from High School has learned to pick his holes/spots, developing patience, reading/using blocking schemes a vehicle to move in space. great kid, excellent character will be a good fit for some lucky team
I guess you pretty much summed it up..thanks beerlover.
1. learned to pick his holes/spots--->good fit for this offense
2. developed patience---->good fit for this offense
3. reading/using blocking schemes---->good fit for this offense
4. Great kid/excellent character----->good fit for this team
Uncanny. The only thing i see wrong is lucky...and we have not been so lucky lately
beerlover
Hall of Fame
well how about this for irony- it was stated before the season (did not indicate source) that the Ducks offensive line was ranked last in the Pac-10, or something to that affect. anyway he was vehement is his support of his teammates & hurled all the praise on them for the season the Ducks are having taking none of the credit for himself.
rome was quick to add that if the Ducks did win the game he would invite his entire offensive line to be on the show & Jonathan was overjoyed at that thought to say the least.
for exact comments you can access the interview via the Jim Rome show website in a day or two- http://www.jimrome.com/home.html
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I caught that...Stewarts awesome. And then Rome was like..I didn't really think that through but we'll have some sort of conference call with 5 people, we'll make it work!
I guess I'm starting to get onboard with drafting a RB in the 1st round, especially if it's Stewart. I haven't seen him play, but I heard alot of good things about him and he does seem to be a good fit for what Kubes wants to do. Still, not having a 2nd round pick, makes it tough to go that route when we need a LT and Center so bad.
One thing that does push me to go with a RB in the 1st is the fact that this is projected to be a deep draft for OT's. If we could get Stewart in the 1st and get a very good LT in the 3rd that would be ideal. And, it just so happens that one of Stewart's teammates at Oregon is Max Unger who is a 6'5", 306 lbs, OT who is projected to go in the 3rd round (if he declares). According to WalterFootball.com, Unger runs a 5.04 forty and is a possible candidate for a zone blocking team. This is all just speculation now with a lot of football left to play, but it could be one possible scenario if things play out right come April. Of course that still leaves us with trying to get a Center, FS, CB, etc......
What to do, what to do! Too many holes and not enough picks!
One thing that does push me to go with a RB in the 1st is the fact that this is projected to be a deep draft for OT's. If we could get Stewart in the 1st and get a very good LT in the 3rd that would be ideal. And, it just so happens that one of Stewart's teammates at Oregon is Max Unger who is a 6'5", 306 lbs, OT who is projected to go in the 3rd round (if he declares). According to WalterFootball.com, Unger runs a 5.04 forty and is a possible candidate for a zone blocking team. This is all just speculation now with a lot of football left to play, but it could be one possible scenario if things play out right come April. Of course that still leaves us with trying to get a Center, FS, CB, etc......
What to do, what to do! Too many holes and not enough picks!
bah007
Hall of Fame
Yes. Join us.
Ole Miss Texan
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Stewart looked really good tonight. He showed that he's got Speed (rushing, receiving, and even kick returning), great vision, is very elusive, and can BREAK tackles very well. I don't know what his Yards after Contact were but it was probably close to 80% of his total rushing yards.
Its a close one. But I am thinking Stewart. He has more of an NFL body than Jones, and has shown he can be The back. Jones may be good, dhe is not far behind, but I think Stewart is the safer pick.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
its not going to matter soon anyway, Stewart is moving himself into becoming a top 10 pick, his receiving skills are developing into elite status for a RB, he has very soft hands & plucks the ball effortlessly, not to mention he has over 30 pounds of muscle on Felix without impacting his explosive speed capability.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
The Gamecocks didnt have an answer for Arkansas last night. Jones averaged 15 yards a carry and had three TD's.
McF busted out a long run for a TD. I think it was somewhere in the seventy yard range.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
Felix is averaging an unheard of 9.3 yards per carry. For someone who gets significant carries, that is crazy. Yes, he does benefit from having McFadden on the team, but he has a lot of success when McFadden is off the field too. While I do think that Stewart is a great back and would love to have him on the Texans, part of me wonders how much of an effect that Dixon's running abilities have on Stewart's numbers.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Ian Johsnon is a little guy. But...he would fit this teams platoon system. He had a prety fair year last year. His numbers are way down this season. But if you check the record he is playing hurt this season. Which means... he should drop. Also means he will get into range as to what we can afford. Playing hurt for the team ? that's a plus in my book. Doc check him out and he tests ok...
All of this is assuming that Kubes is not going to throw Ahmen under the bus for Stewart. He'd be the first one if he does.
BTW, he posted twenty-five TDs in '06. That's a good number in anyones league. Off Years ? Will say he will have trouble blocking the larger OLBs of the 3-4 and we don't know if he has soft hands. What you do know is that if there is a crack in the line he gets through it quickly. And when he dose catch the ball he has a prety decent average. Not saying he is Robert Smith, but he looks a lot like RS the RB for Minnesota from a few seasons ago. He is an elite slasher with poor feild vision and questionable blocking and receiving skills. I like the guy. I'd give a six for him.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=170016
rollinstone18
let it bleed
Kevin Smith is putting up some impressive numbers. If a few RB and OL prospects declare I think we have no choice but to find a trade-down partner and pick up a second or third round pick.
threetoedpete
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Keep hope alive beerlover. Miami is picking ahead of us and no one thought that Okye would fall to us last off season. BJIC, might want to focus on the Fla.- South Carolina game this week end. I like curl lipped RBs.
http://www.draftinsiders.com/node/200
http://www.draftinsiders.com/taxonomy/term/5
He makes it to thirty one here.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
That's what I'm thinking also. They need to find a C, CB, and those two thingys can't be ignored...at all. They have to come up with those two this off season. I think OLT...21 games and counting, and LBs and a FS wouldn't hurt. That's a lot of stuff for one team in one off season.
And of course the trade down therom ASSumes that draft day they'll be someone on the board that someone else is willing to part with a pick worth five hundred to seven hundred points for. Far from a dun deal. Everyone want's value for their money. Everyone wants to trade down for extra high range picks. That is why the wolf in New England makes a habit of having extra picks in his pocket for the next draft. They are not affraid to take next years picks off of someone's hands and waiting. It allows them, with the extra ammo, to move around and sellect the guy(s) they have targeted. They don't HAVE to watch while their prospects they like sail off to other teams.
It's not random. And it is not kaos.
According to this mock, everyone gets healthy. Everyone hits a position of need in he first round with a high end guy. They'd have to like a guy an aweful lot to part with a pick. See where I'm going with this ?
http://www.draftinsiders.com/node/200
beerlover
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true to his word Rome is having on at least three of Jonathans offensive linemen tomorrow, one of which is SR. LT Geoff Schwartz all 6-7 335 lbs of him (second day pick).
Ole Miss Texan
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Interesting how many mocks I've seen with sam baker falling so much.
kastofsna
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welp, this appears to be one of the finest drafts as far as RB's go. McFadden's the best prospect in a while, Kevin Smith is a poor man's Adrian Peterson, Jonathan Stewart is athletically off the charts, Felix Jones is really good, Ray Rice is a horse, then you have interesting players like Steve Slaton, Mike Hart, Tashard Choice...i like Ryan Torrain from ASU a lot. what about Jamaal Charles? Rashard Mendenhall? Ian Johnson? crazy talent.
TexansSeminole
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Just to add to the interesting players you have Jacob Hester, Matt Forte, and also Rashard Mendenhall from Illinois (runs with the spread offense).
They didn't happen to mention Max Unger did they? That's the lineman (if he declares) that the Texans might be able to get in the 3rd round. He's a Jr., but already rated ahead of Schwartz. He is 6'5", 306 lbs, and runs a 5.04 forty. WalterFootball.com says he is a candidate for a Zone-Blocking team. Schwartz is too slow. He runs a 5.54 forty and is projected to go in the 7th round.
I don't normally listen to Rome, but maybe I'll have to make a special effort tomorrow.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Slaton had all of 60 yds, 1 TD, & 1 fumble lost on 17 carries (3.5 avg) against Louisville's vaunted defense.
Pat White was much more impressive (despite 4 fumbles).
Its official. Brian Brohm is the only player on Louisville's offense. He carried the team all night & his teammates messed up just enough times to lose the game.
beerlover
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They didn't happen to mention Max Unger did they? That's the lineman (if he declares) that the Texans might be able to get in the 3rd round. He's a Jr., but already rated ahead of Schwartz. He is 6'5", 306 lbs, and runs a 5.04 forty. WalterFootball.com says he is a candidate for a Zone-Blocking team. Schwartz is too slow. He runs a 5.54 forty and is projected to go in the 7th round.
I don't normally listen to Rome, but maybe I'll have to make a special effort tomorrow.
yes I think he did mention Unger, along with Schwartz & Jeff Kendall. same time as Stewart was on last week about 12:35 Central.
good catch on Unger
can play LT or Center, think the Texans could use him? Combines athleticism with an intelligence and demeanor to approach all-conference levels during the coming year after developing into one of the lines most improved last season. Prides himself in being a tough competitor who utilizes his aggression to his benefit and is very mobile.threetoedpete
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Arnold the gaurd of LSU has taken a naty dip in some mocks. Hey old miss...draft insiders has the kid going to the raiders....think Micheal Oher will by pass forty million for the good of 'ol Miss ? He gets a high ranking from the NFL guys, he's going to come out.
badboy
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As others have said, it remains to be seen if we can find a trade partner in draft but it would be sweet if we could get a LT in first, a RB in 2nd and Unger in 3rd to play center. A CB or FS in 4th and reverse in 5th. In 6th, we get a OLB and 7th BPA. I would go nuts. Especially if we can use FA successfully. Improvements by players on roster now and those coming back from IR would make this season's w/L that I expect more easy to swallow.yes I think he did mention Unger, along with Schwartz & Jeff Kendall. same time as Stewart was on last week about 12:35 Central.
good catch on Unger
Yeah that would be sweet.
Then in free agency we could go after
Faneca, Justin Smith, Micheal Boley, & Justin Fargas (the son of Huggy Bear)
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Personally, i dont think they will pull the trigger on a rb. Personally, i dont think i would do it either with players like portis,lewis,jones,bell,and turner all under 27 becoming free agents. I know peterson is having a great season, but even his backup is avg almost 5 ypc. So is it him or the line? I think with the extra money they will have this summer, they might target two guys whom he's had experience with, portis and bell with turner maybe being out of their money range. If the can get portis who can get 1300 yds and combine him with green who can get another 600-700 then the team gets 35 carries and 135 yds per game. They can take some of the money they save and get safety help. I used to think cb was a bigger need, but i think bennett is good opposite of robinson. Bob sanders is a f/a this offseason. wouldn't the team be better with portis and sanders on the team?
infantrycak
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Portis is under contract until the 2012 season. What Lewis are you referring to?--Jamal Lewis will be 29 next year.
TexansSeminole
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Lol why dont we just pick up Champ Bailey and Sean Taylor while we are at it. No problemo.
Ole Miss Texan
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I'm a huge fan of Mike Oher but obviously don't know everything he's thinking. This is a kid who went from not knowing his father or the majority of his brothers and sisters, and having a crack-head mother- to being adopted by a wealthy white family in Memphis. He has an incredible story and one that will def. be talked about extensively during the NFL draft. He's the only person in his family that got a driver's license, and the biggest thing pushing him was that nobody else had even had a chance to get one.
Personally, I don't think there is a chance in hell he's going to declare for the draft this season. And as a big fan, I don't think it would be smart for him to. The Tuohy family (adopted family) gave him everything they could and are his biggest spiritual/emotional supporters. Mike had Phil Fulmer from Tenn, Nick Saban from LSU, I believe Bob Stoops from OU, in his house recruiting him to go play for their schools. These are championship calibre teams but Mike chose Ole Miss b/c that's where the Tuohy's went as well as his step-sister. They will make him stay in school. Also, Oher will be the only member of his true family to even attend college let alone get a degree. This is the biggest thing motivating him, imo.
I will say if he's told that he will prob. be the 1st OL taken and an easy top 5- top 10 pick he might. But I don't really think that is going to be the case. I've only gotten a chance to see him a few times this season and he hasn't looked like a top 10 pick to me. He has some work to do but I definitly think he'll get there. Staying another year will really help him a lot, not to help the team do well but to get that much more experience. If he has a solid season next year it will really help his draft stock to get paid more come draft day.
bah007
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Chester Taylor isnt exactly a scrub.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Faneca a multi year probowl guard will be 32 Dec 7th 2008. He will want a three year deal worth $15 million with probably 7-8 guaranteed. Not sure if I'd do that.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
heres a pre-draft report on Adrian Peterson, whatcha think about him now 
source: http://magazine.stack.com/TheIssue/ArticleDraw/4329
Adrian Peterson
Position: RB
College: University of Oklahoma
Height: 62
Weight: 220 lbs
Scouting Report: His unbelievable combo of size, speed and power make Adrian the best running back in the nation. He loves to deliver the blow, but he can also outrun any defender on the field. His balance, patience and vision have drawn comparisons to the great Eric Dickerson. In his freshman season, Adrian scored 15 touchdowns and set the NCAAs single season rushing record for a freshman, with 1,925 yards. As a sophomore in 2004, he finished second in the Heisman balloting. Adrian totaled 4,045 career rushing yards in three yearsjust short of the Oklahoma record, which he wouldve shattered if injuries hadnt plagued him. Hes nicknamed AD, All Day, because he can run over any defense, all day long.
Richesson on Adrian: Adrian wants to wow people with his speed. And much like Patrick and Alan, he has a lot of raw horsepower. In college, your manhood is tested by how hard you continue to grind and work, and Adrian passed. Hes coming off a shoulder injury, so we made sure he stays healthy by continuing to refine his movement skills. He might be one of the fastest running backs in history if he does what we think hes capable of doing.
Adrian On:
Showing off for NFL coaches
I definitely want to show my speed. Ive got my technique down, so I am excited about getting out there and running a good 40 for the NFL coaches. Im excited about the vertical jump, too.
APs all-star class
Being around all these stars is cool; I really enjoy it. And I dont know what Patricks talking abouthes a freak, man! We all have different personalities, but the same work ethic and drive, which is cool. It makes you realize how all these guys got to this level.
Lining up together
Oh boy! That would be some all-star team.
What drives him
I definitely have the inspiration and drive I need. I think about all the hard work Ive put in since I was seven years old to get to this point. Ive been through battles and difficult times; so now at this point, when things get tough, getting through it is nothing.
The NFL Dream
Growing up watching Emmitt Smith and Eddie George, I always wanted to be in the National Football League. That was always my ultimate dream. In high school, I went through the process of getting my name out there so I could play in college. Now Im ready to take that third step.
Being a role model
Im quite comfortable in the spotlight and being a role model. Like I said, when I was little, I had guys I looked up to and tried to be like. I know how important it is, because kids do what they see on television. Now that Im in the position where kids out there want to be like me, it feels good to do right and show them how hard work makes an opportunity like this possible.
source: http://magazine.stack.com/TheIssue/ArticleDraw/4329
Adrian Peterson
Position: RB
College: University of Oklahoma
Height: 62
Weight: 220 lbs
Scouting Report: His unbelievable combo of size, speed and power make Adrian the best running back in the nation. He loves to deliver the blow, but he can also outrun any defender on the field. His balance, patience and vision have drawn comparisons to the great Eric Dickerson. In his freshman season, Adrian scored 15 touchdowns and set the NCAAs single season rushing record for a freshman, with 1,925 yards. As a sophomore in 2004, he finished second in the Heisman balloting. Adrian totaled 4,045 career rushing yards in three yearsjust short of the Oklahoma record, which he wouldve shattered if injuries hadnt plagued him. Hes nicknamed AD, All Day, because he can run over any defense, all day long.
Richesson on Adrian: Adrian wants to wow people with his speed. And much like Patrick and Alan, he has a lot of raw horsepower. In college, your manhood is tested by how hard you continue to grind and work, and Adrian passed. Hes coming off a shoulder injury, so we made sure he stays healthy by continuing to refine his movement skills. He might be one of the fastest running backs in history if he does what we think hes capable of doing.
Adrian On:
Showing off for NFL coaches
I definitely want to show my speed. Ive got my technique down, so I am excited about getting out there and running a good 40 for the NFL coaches. Im excited about the vertical jump, too.
APs all-star class
Being around all these stars is cool; I really enjoy it. And I dont know what Patricks talking abouthes a freak, man! We all have different personalities, but the same work ethic and drive, which is cool. It makes you realize how all these guys got to this level.
Lining up together
Oh boy! That would be some all-star team.
What drives him
I definitely have the inspiration and drive I need. I think about all the hard work Ive put in since I was seven years old to get to this point. Ive been through battles and difficult times; so now at this point, when things get tough, getting through it is nothing.
The NFL Dream
Growing up watching Emmitt Smith and Eddie George, I always wanted to be in the National Football League. That was always my ultimate dream. In high school, I went through the process of getting my name out there so I could play in college. Now Im ready to take that third step.
Being a role model
Im quite comfortable in the spotlight and being a role model. Like I said, when I was little, I had guys I looked up to and tried to be like. I know how important it is, because kids do what they see on television. Now that Im in the position where kids out there want to be like me, it feels good to do right and show them how hard work makes an opportunity like this possible.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
140 threads later John McClain chimes in -
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5299761.html
it really is becoming painfully obvious then
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5299761.html
it really is becoming painfully obvious then
Ole Miss Texan
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140 threads later John McClain chimes in -
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5299761.html
it really is becoming painfully obvious then
That was one of the lamest articles I've ever read...leave it to McClain.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Lame and McClain in the same sentence I am shocked, just flat out shocked.
But you do know what he was hinting at ..........
DRAFT AN O-LINEMAN!!
threetoedpete
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140 threads later John McClain chimes in -
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5299761.html
it really is becoming painfully obvious then
Yeah well he said something that was a hundred and eighty degrees out friday on his show. He said that a great running back can overcome a terrible line. But a high end line will never over come a marginal Rb. That's plain wrong. Timmy Smith behind the haugs is one example. Name most of the Oiler backs besides Earl Campbell and you'd be spot on. You got five good to great guys on the o-line, they'll make just about anyone look great. Let's reveiw. Franchise Q B. Franchise WR. Franchise CB with Supposedly Kevin Green. A DT. Franchise rush end. Another DT.
Stewart maybe the guy. But not so sure that he is the correct guy.
Well when the HC is out infront of the micro phones, a place you could clearly tell he didn't want to be, and is telling the media that his thrity something Rb whom has been rested all week and couldn't overcome one light workout....I think the hand writiing is on the wall. Last week I posted that he wouldn't throw Ahmen overboard. Today I'm not so sure about that.
I called this one BTW. Know what you get when you place your chips on the thirty somethings backs...trouble.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
he pretty much stated the obvious. Many great prospects who project well and were taken early in the NFL draft have gone on to become pretty good running backs and some guys who were picked later went on to become pretty good running backs too. Drafting a back is just like anything else...for every LaDainian Tomlinson or Joseph Addai, there are two guys like Lawrence Phillips, Blair Thomas or William Green. Thanks John!
beerlover
Hall of Fame
using ranking services effectively is a tool that sometimes can say alot about a player. sustainable excellence tracks a players performance over the years in their development & provides sound data to project future results based on past performance. case in point Adrian Peterson RB of the Minnesota Vikings, formerly Oklahoma then before that played high school football @ Palestine Texas. he was ranked #1 overall prospect in the nation (by Rival) & never looked back in College, came out early & was ranked #3 overall coming into the NFL draft. he maintained a high level of excellence for a sustained period of time @ every level (296 yds. vs Chargers) & should have been a top 3 pick based upon the evidence or body of work combined with overall ability moving forward.
now to Jonathan Stewart (yes again). while ranked the #1 RB prospect in the nation coming out of High School he dropped to #10 in the overall rankings but still ahead of McFadden @ #23. the interesting point here is that McFadden was not ranked as a RB but rather as an athlete. so my question is what changed & caused McFadden to leap frog Stewart to claim the title of #1 RB @ the college level? I'm going to check him out closely later on today when Arkansas plays (oh yeah Felix Jones) but in the past I've found him difficult to project as a pure RB because of his athletic ability in space rather than between the tackles. same height as Peterson but lacks the strength & power more of a slot back. my guess is that he benifits as much as Felix by playing off each others strengths, but as far as the RB position being well rounded lacks the complete game of a Jonathan Stewart from a positional standpoint.
while we certainly are going to disagree & have our differences these players are elite for a reason & have been so over extended period of time. the Texans have to address the RB position someday with more than just band-aids & hope it sticks
now to Jonathan Stewart (yes again). while ranked the #1 RB prospect in the nation coming out of High School he dropped to #10 in the overall rankings but still ahead of McFadden @ #23. the interesting point here is that McFadden was not ranked as a RB but rather as an athlete. so my question is what changed & caused McFadden to leap frog Stewart to claim the title of #1 RB @ the college level? I'm going to check him out closely later on today when Arkansas plays (oh yeah Felix Jones) but in the past I've found him difficult to project as a pure RB because of his athletic ability in space rather than between the tackles. same height as Peterson but lacks the strength & power more of a slot back. my guess is that he benifits as much as Felix by playing off each others strengths, but as far as the RB position being well rounded lacks the complete game of a Jonathan Stewart from a positional standpoint.
while we certainly are going to disagree & have our differences these players are elite for a reason & have been so over extended period of time. the Texans have to address the RB position someday with more than just band-aids & hope it sticks
tulexan
Hall of Fame
Some players progress faster than others. Stewart may have been more ready to play college ball than McFadden which is why he was ranked higher coming out of high school. McFadden has since shown how good he is and has the potential to be which has caused him to be ranked higher.
This isn't rocket surgery.
This isn't rocket surgery.
eriadoc
Texan-American
I believe he's been injured all year. If you watch what he's done for his career at USC, it's possible he could be the next Eric Winston, only better.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
then go tell the Browns who selected 1st overall in 1999 & 2000 netting QB Tim Couch/DE Courtney Brown then in 2001 DT Gerard Warren 3rd overall & RB William Green 16th overall in 2002