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Draft a RB thread

If we cant get a RB early, I want Danny Woodhead from Chadron State on the second day. Legit 4.4 speed (could probably get faster), and 5'7" 200 pounds. Jones-Drew is 5'7" 208 pounds. He would be a good back for the "system" we seem to be running. He also has good hands out of the backfield.
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rmartin65 said:
If we cant get a RB early, I want Danny Woodhead from Chadron State on the second day. Legit 4.4 speed (could probably get faster), and 5'7" 200 pounds. Jones-Drew is 5'7" 208 pounds. He would be a good back for the "system" we seem to be running. He also has good hands out of the backfield.
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thats excatly what I'm afraid of. bypassing elite 1st rd. talent & addressing need in the 6th or 7th rd. its not anything against this or any other late rd. RB prospect its more about the odds of them actually panning out, not just making the roster or practice squad but becoming the starter- bottom line a clear upgrade over what we have.
 
beerlover said:
thats excatly what I'm afraid of. bypassing elite 1st rd. talent & addressing need in the 6th or 7th rd. its not anything against this or any other late rd. RB prospect its more about the odds of them actually panning out, not just making the roster or practice squad but becoming the starter- bottom line a clear upgrade over what we have.
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Oh, I agree. I definately want a first round guy. Slaton or Stewart it sounds like. But if they pass on the first round or two, that is who I want.


76Texan said:
Well, Gil Brandt seems to like him.
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Really? Where did you see that? I have heard other people, but not Brandt. Cool
 
USA Today, NY Times, looks like they both quote from the same source:

"He's just a phenomenal player," Gil Brandt, a former Dallas Cowboys vice president of player personnel and an analyst for NFL.com, says of Woodhead. "I feel certain that somebody will draft him."

Because of his size, Woodhead is most likely to get NFL consideration as a third-down back and/or kick returner, although he hasn't returned kicks at Chadron State.
 
If we go with a LT or a FS in the 1st round....what RB's should we be looking at for the 3rd round?

There seems to be a decent # of guys that are interesting. McFadden and Stewart seem like the only guys that are 1st round locks at this point. Then there's Slaton, Hart, etc.

Dontrell Savage from Ok St is a guy i've been impressed with. What about allen patrick from oklahoma? Any chance these guys make it past the 2nd for our pick in the 3rd?

There just seems to be a lot of RB's this year that the first DAY will be littered with decent backs....and only 2 superb guys that we may not have a shot at either of them.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
If we go with a LT or a FS in the 1st round....what RB's should we be looking at for the 3rd round?

There seems to be a decent # of guys that are interesting. McFadden and Stewart seem like the only guys that are 1st round locks at this point. Then there's Slaton, Hart, etc.
Dontrell Savage from Ok St is a guy i've been impressed with. What about allen patrick from oklahoma? Any chance these guys make it past the 2nd for our pick in the 3rd?

There just seems to be a lot of RB's this year that the first DAY will be littered with decent backs....and only 2 superb guys that we may not have a shot at either of them.
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Hart and Rice will go in the 1st round as well, as could Slaton.
 
76Texan said:
USA Today, NY Times, looks like they both quote from the same source:

"He's just a phenomenal player," Gil Brandt, a former Dallas Cowboys vice president of player personnel and an analyst for NFL.com, says of Woodhead. "I feel certain that somebody will draft him."

Because of his size, Woodhead is most likely to get NFL consideration as a third-down back and/or kick returner, although he hasn't returned kicks at Chadron State.
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Cool. On a side note, he got injured last night.
http://www.theindependent.com/stories/10192007/spo_spowoodhead19.shtml
 
Hoth-Boy said:
He's played in a 3-4, which puts it's Cbs on an island. He would be a good #2 CB. Cost, because Samuel is going to want to be the highest paid DB in the NFL and I don't think he is worth it.

I've just been looking over who might be available in the offseason, and who might come at a reasonable price.

I think Samuel is a pipe-dream.

Nevermind. Ricardo isn't free till next year. :gun:
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Concerning Samuel
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6456
He has 3 ints in 6 games projected to 8 ints. Is that worth $15m/year? How would having him opposite Dunte effect Mr. R? Teams go away from him now but with a Samuel sitting over there? I think you could easily reduce seven points against you from every game. That I agree is a lot of coin, but we have $30m for 2008. Now will GM ok the expediture? That may be another story.
 
76Texan said:
USA Today, NY Times, looks like they both quote from the same source:

"He's just a phenomenal player," Gil Brandt, a former Dallas Cowboys vice president of player personnel and an analyst for NFL.com, says of Woodhead. "I feel certain that somebody will draft him."

Because of his size, Woodhead is most likely to get NFL consideration as a third-down back and/or kick returner, although he hasn't returned kicks at Chadron State.
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I do not want anymore 3rd down backs who can return. How about stepping up and drafting a go to RB?
 
rmartin65 said:
Cool. On a side note, he got injured last night.
http://www.theindependent.com/stories/10192007/spo_spowoodhead19.shtml
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I know! It so happened that I caught the game to see of there's any chance he can be like Newhouse of the old Cowboys or MJD. Only one play, but it doesn't seem like his built and running style is like either one of them.

So, like badboy says, I don't think we can use him.

If we need to replace Mathis, we'd probably be better off with Anthony Alridge (Houston Cougars). He's good at returning KO, sub 4.30 speed.
Good hands, can catch the ball out of the backfield or as a receiver.
Has good second burst, and can make people miss.
They are starting to run him between tackles some, with good results.
(Last year, the Cougars use jackie Battle for uphill running).

He had good games against Oregon and Alabama already.
Ducks: 22-224 yds, TD; 3 catches-88 yds, TD; 1 KO RT 32 yd
Tides: 17-106 yds; 7 catches-94 yds, TD; 1 KO RT 17 yd (short kick).

Currently he's #8 nationally in rushing (748 yds, 6.39 ave), and #7 in all-purpose.
He's currently projected to go between round 3-4 on a couple of boards.

Here's a 60-yd run up the middle against Oregon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG7fOH8T3GM&mode=related&search=

An 85-yd screen pass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ff7fS06deQ
 
I've said it a few times, and I will continue to say it.

Matt Forte

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=161747

Currently fifth in the nation in rushing and should be even higher after this week against SMU. He started off a little slow, but his last four games have been 303 against SELU, 75 against LSU, 202 against Army, and 209 against UAB.

He is big (6'1" 224), has breakaway speed, and can catch the ball out of the backfield.

Currently has 151 carries for 919 yards and 9 touchdowns (6.1 ypc) and 21 catches for 182 yards and 0 touchdowns (8.7 ypc)
 
tulexan said:
I've said it a few times, and I will continue to say it.

Matt Forte

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=161747

Currently fifth in the nation in rushing and should be even higher after this week against SMU. He started off a little slow, but his last four games have been 303 against SELU, 75 against LSU, 202 against Army, and 209 against UAB.

He is big (6'1" 224), has breakaway speed, and can catch the ball out of the backfield.

Currently has 151 carries for 919 yards and 9 touchdowns (6.1 ypc) and 21 catches for 182 yards and 0 touchdowns (8.7 ypc)
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I will try to catch him tomorrow night, but I'm afraid I will have to switch over to the LSU/Auburn game later on.

Thing is, I haven't seen him run against a quality team.
The LSU was OK, but not impressive.

Right now, for example, NFL Draft Scout rated Alridge at #91 (3-4 round) and Matt Forte (6 round). He could very well be a steal in the 6th rd.
I'll give my opinion after I watch him some more tomorrow, K!
 
76Texan said:
I know! It so happened that I caught the game to see of there's any chance he can be like Newhouse of the old Cowboys or MJD. Only one play, but it doesn't seem like his built and running style is like either one of them.

So, like badboy says, I don't think we can use him.
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We might be able to use him though. Before the season people were talking about wanting a small, fast back. He can do it, and I think he can be an every down player. Just cause he is short does not mean he cant carry the load.

His height to weight ratio is actually pretty good, he is pretty thick in his lower body.
Danny Woodhead- 2.9 lbs per inch (5'7" 200)
Shaun Alexander- 3.2 lbs per inch (5'11" 228)
Maurice Jones-Drew- 3.1 lbs per inch (5'7" 208)
LT- 3.15 lbs per inch (5'10" 221)
Adrian Peterson- 3 lbs per inch (6'1" 217)
Reggie Bush- 2.8 lbs per inch (6' 203)
Joseph Addai- 3 lbs per inch (5'11" 214)
LJ- 3.15 lbs per inch (6'1" 230)

I tried to be pretty even in the backs I chose to look at. Heights and weights off of NFL.com

Here are some highlight vids I found
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5867103654859090949&q=Danny+Woodhead+football&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3276129322956382405&q=Danny+Woodhead+football&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
 
76Texan said:
I will try to catch him tomorrow night, but I'm afraid I will have to switch over to the LSU/Auburn game later on.

Thing is, I haven't seen him run against a quality team.
The LSU was OK, but not impressive.

Right now, for example, NFL Draft Scout rated Alridge at #91 (3-4 round) and Matt Forte (6 round). He could very well be a steal in the 6th rd.
I'll give my opinion after I watch him some more tomorrow, K!
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38 rushes for 343 yards and 4 touchdowns. Had a 77 yard touchdown and a 65 yard run where he was tackled at the 1.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
You need to stop confussing Ourlads'/any draft service's rankings with team's draftboards.

It's been pretty obvious over the years that the teams are much, much better at evaluating talent then the draft service's are.
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Com'on Hoth boy, Ourlad has been doing this for a while. Teams reach. Owners want to sell tickets. Our lads is just a scout evaluating based on his scouting experence. 20 plus years btw.

http://www.ourlads.com/about.cfm

and he is very good at sloting players based on there athletic ablity. Throw away the team needs...who has the best combine...just raw who is the best athlete and how do they compare to what's already in the league. Wanna bang on someone who throws up a mock and is talking out of their arse, that' s one thing...you can bet every team's war room is reading his mail. There is a reason he is very good at what he does. All he does is watch film on guys every day, all year long.
 
tulexan said:
I've said it a few times, and I will continue to say it.

Matt Forte

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=161747

Currently fifth in the nation in rushing and should be even higher after this week against SMU. He started off a little slow, but his last four games have been 303 against SELU, 75 against LSU, 202 against Army, and 209 against UAB.

He is big (6'1" 224), has breakaway speed, and can catch the ball out of the backfield.

Currently has 151 carries for 919 yards and 9 touchdowns (6.1 ypc) and 21 catches for 182 yards and 0 touchdowns (8.7 ypc)
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The kid from UCF has good games when his o-line comes across someone they can compete against. He has the size and production. This board will be loaded with smurf backs. Aldridge will always, as great of an athlete a he is, be a liablity in the pocket blocking. And anyone who says he won't doesn't know what they are talking about. Where are you going to play him ? in the slot ? What do you do with J.J. then ? I'm all for the playmaker but you take him you'll suck up two roster spots for him. We're not good enough yet for this icing.
 
I know I'm a 'thick Brit' whose knowledge is surpassed by most of you, but it seems to me that our one #1 pick HAS TO BE the best RB left in the pot, surely?

I think we should stick with our corps of WR's into next season, because, imho, I think they're beginning to develop well - good games from Jacoby, a good spell for the other Andre as stand-in and a recent monster game from Walter.

The secondary needs help, but I think if we're willing to go with some vets, FA will help us there.

We need a franchise RB - to share carries with AG at first, and eventually replace him. We have got to use our first pick on a quality RB. I have no idea who's looking good......anyone?:fans:
 
threetoedpete said:
The kid from UCF has good games when his o-line comes across someone they can compete against. He has the size and production. This board will be loaded with smurf backs. Aldridge will always, as great of an athlete a he is, be a liablity in the pocket blocking. And anyone who says he won't doesn't know what they are talking about. Where are you going to play him ? in the slot ? What do you do with J.J. then ? I'm all for the playmaker but you take him you'll suck up two roster spots for him. We're not good enough yet for this icing.
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I never brought up anyone from UCF or Aldridge and Forte is far from a smurf back.
 
Oregon Runs Over Washington, 55-34

10/20/2007 - Associated Press http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=500&ATCLID=1284861

SEATTLE (AP) -- After waiting so long to be the featured guy in Oregon's backfield, Jonathan Stewart didn't need the speech.

Still, Oregon coach Mike Bellotti made sure Stewart was comfortable carrying the load with backfield mate Jeremiah Johnson out for the season with a knee injury.

Stewart, who waited 2 1/2 seasons for this moment, gave his coach an emphatic answer Saturday night with the second-best rushing performance in Oregon history. Stewart ran for a career-high 251 yards and two touchdowns, Andre Crenshaw added 113 yards and two second-half scores, and No. 7 Oregon pulled away late for a 55-34 win over Washington.

"When somebody goes down like Jeremiah last week, somebody has to step up," Stewart said. "Right now we're not missing a beat."

The Ducks finished with a school-record 465 rushing yards and 661 total yards. The final numbers even staggered some of Oregon's offensive linemen, who bullied Washington's defense.

"It's really, really unbelievable," Oregon left tackle Max Unger said. "It's a pretty unbelievable feeling when you see the (defensive) line and you can choose what runs you want to do. That's never really happened before."

Whether it was pounding runs inside or stretching the Huskies to the perimeter, Stewart and the Ducks were never stopped. Stewart rushed for 144 yards at halftime, had 198 at the end of the three quarters, and became the first Oregon back to rush for 200 yards since Ontario Smith set a school record with 285 yards against Washington State in 2001.

The Seattle-area native who spurned Washington, finished with 32 carries, seven more than his previous high.
 
Texans might draft between #8-11
I say why not go for an every-down RB in the first and a change of pace RB, or a bruiser in the 4th or later rounds.
 
76Texan said:
I say why not go for an every-down RB in the first and a change of pace RB, or a bruiser in the 4th or later rounds.
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I would not be unhappy with that. The running game is bad enough to warrent two picks. I just dont see it happening though, there are too many holes.
 
I like Stewart even before the season started, and I also like Ray Rice and J. Lane (A&M).
McFadden probably will be gone by the time we pick.

I'm starting to like Forte, and of course I always root for Alridge (both as later round picks)

I haven't had the chance to watch other guys much so I can't give my .02 cents.
 
rmartin65 said:
I would not be unhappy with that. The running game is bad enough to warrent to picks. I just dont see it happening though, there are too many holes.
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True that. I'd like to see if we can find an O-linemen in the 3rd (probably a center). I'm really hoping that Spencer can come back healthy. That will help us from not having to look for another LT in the draft.
 
76Texan said:
Texans might draft between #8-11
I say why not go for an every-down RB in the first and a change of pace RB, or a bruiser in the 4th or later rounds.
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Are you saying we should use 2 picks on running backs? We have way too many needs (even with free agency) to spend multiple picks on one position.
 
tulexan said:
Are you saying we should use 2 picks on running backs? We have way too many needs (even with free agency) to spend multiple picks on one position.
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It's not that crazy, I don't think.
Kubiak wants to control the clock, and we need good RBs to do that.

I'm assuming that we can find a center in the 3rd, Spencer comes back 100%.
Studdard improves enough to back up at guard, or maybe somebody else, or a FA.

Earl & Simmons come back should help the D and I believe Bennett will be a solid NFL player. We may also be able to find a backup in certain area via FA and the 5th round if we're lucky.
 
Our schedule looks pretty tough coming up. With 4 out of our next 5 games on the road, we might end up with a record that Darren McFadden might be a posibilty.
 
it might be a good idea to catch Oregon vs. USC this weekend to see what Jonathan can do against future NFL talent especially USC LB's :cool:
 
76Texan said:
Slaton looks pretty good as well. Strong, quick burst and have multi gears.
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He had a fumbling problem last year. I dont know if its been corrected or not.

Its hard to tell how good he really is cuz Pat White is such a threat to run.
 
I was watching a NY station that shows a Rutgers show.
They talked about Slaton, and showed some clips.
They think he has improved from last year, faster, stronger.
We'll see some more of him this weekend.
 
rollinstone18 said:
Does Oregon have a good o-line?
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average @ best but they're pretty athletic & spread it out. the upgrade has been new offensive Coordinator Chip Kelly. Dixion has flourished & teams cannot stack the box & key on Stewart although thats what I expect from the Trojans this week. force Dixion to beat them with his arm & decision making, so we'll see both how Chip adjusts the offesnsive sets & how good Jonathan does up against several future NFL defensive prospects.


vote for Jonathan Stewart- http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3383&SPID=233&ATCLID=1286006&DB_OEM_ID=500
 
Forte had another huge game this week. 278 yards 2 TDs. If he gets at least 200 yards next week, he will only be the fourth running back ever to have 5 consecutive 200+ yard rushing games.

What is amazing about him is that he is the only real weapon that Tulane has, other teams know that and still can't stop him.
 
Saw Ray Rice play today - looked very good. Big solid guy with some speed. Didn't see homerun speed but he has enough to be a good back.
 
beerlover said:
the upgrade has been new offensive Coordinator Chip Kelly. Dixion has flourished & teams cannot stack the box & key on Stewart although thats what I expect from the Trojans this week. force Dixion to beat them with his arm & decision making, so we'll see both how Chip adjusts the offesnsive sets & how good Jonathan does up against several future NFL defensive prospects.
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very impressive outing for Stewart (103 yds. 2 TD's & 4.1 avg. per carry) I think thats pretty close to what you can expect from him in the NFL. while that doesn't sound like that much its still 1600 yards & 32 TD's :cool:

Jonathan is the total package, has a low center of gravity, durable frame, hits the hole quickly, is deceisive, will dish out punishment & gives second effort- every down. exceptional balance, good footwork, instincts, has hands & vertical leaping ability to pluck the ball. very good in the red zone, has a nose for getting across goal line. reminds me of a slightly bigger, more powerful, explosive version of DeAngelo Williams. If he declare's for the 08 draft I see him worth a top 20 pick.
 
Looks like all the candidates are making a case for themselves this weekend.

If the Texans decide to go for a RB this year, either in the first or by trading down a little, we should be able to get a decent to very good one.
 
Jonathan Stewart was great yesterday, and has all the measurables. If he declares he is a very realistic option for you guys if Kubiak decides to go RB in the draft.
 
bah007 said:
Forte looks great but if we go RB in the 1st I want Stewart & nobody else.
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yeah buddy :thumbup

another big test this upcoming weekend for Stewart & the Ducks as they face #4 Arizona State Sun Devils. Craig Bray was just voted as National Defensive Coordinator of the week in the Sun Devils 31-20 defeat of the Cal Bears. this is a really compelling match-up of strength vs. strength & I beleive that if Mack cancels out Bray your left with a really clear picture of the athletes involved which offers football fans unusual insight into a prospects future viability: Jonathan Stewart.

Its one thing to amass huge numbers & stats against weaker foes & less talented players its quite another when you jump up as close as you can get to NFL talent, coaching & big media stages- it tends to bring out either the worst of best in a person, the utlimate test of endurance under difficult conditions. This game should go along way in confimring/changing opinion in regards to what a RB brings to a team to help win a championship :cowboy1:
 
bah007 said:
Forte looks great but if we go RB in the 1st I want Stewart & nobody else.
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I'm not pushing to draft Forte in the first. Honestly I think we should go with either an OT or a DB, but if he is available in the 3rd, we should take him. He may not be playing in the SEC or PAC 10, but there have been several running backs who put up big numbers against lesser talents in college and continued success into the NFL. When you combine that with the fact that he doesn't have a great line, has zero passing game, is the focal point of all defenses he faces, and still puts up historic numbers, you have a special player.

UAB's coach put it the best "you don't run for 300+ yards on accident"
 
Good read on Stewart:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3088547&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos2

The itty-bitty seventh grader became a physical marvel, a chiseled 5-11, 230-pound mass of speed and power and potential, with eye-popping measurables -- the most celebrated recruit in Oregon history.

This season, however, he's become something else: A running back.

The conversation about Stewart used to focus on his 4.34 40-yard dash and his 402-pound power clean, but that never entirely muzzled whispers that for all his physical ability he wasn't an instinctual ball carrier.
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