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DPAR ratings: Carr ranked 41st.
- Thread starter Wolf
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Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
Does that mean he is the greatest of all time
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
that has to be wrong as because all i hear is that david is the next troy aikman he cant be that terrible can he 41st there are one 32 starters at a time.
Stop stating facts about Carr, you guys are nothing but haters and must be tea totallers, slurpers or whatever that's called when you root for winning football at the college level. 
Wharton
Rookie
Hookem Horns said:Stop stating facts about Carr, you guys are nothing but haters and must be tea totallers, slurpers or whatever that's called when you root for winning football at the college level.
With a name like Hookem Horns, you should know what a tsipper is.
And, no, I bleed Maroon.
And, yes, I want Vince.
Wharton said:
That must be a Houston thing. The first one to ever call me that was JM. I honestly never hear that here in Austin.
disaacks3 said:I'd bet you can hear it in College Station!
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After this last Aggies season, I bet you can hear a lot of things in College Station. &#$%^#
Last season he was ranked 18th .... thats a pretty big drop off but looking back farther 27th in 03 .... 47th on 02 . The numbers dont look real good and neither do Carrs stats .... But im not sure that this ranking system is a reliable way to assess a particular player at a given position .....
Football being the ultimate TEAM sport the talent or lack there of will add to or subtract from any given players ranking ..... Carr isnt near as bad as these numbers would sugguest . (Nor does he belong near the top)
Trying to adjust baseball type stats into football just doesnt seem to be a solid concept to me . In Baseball the offensive side of the game is a one on one match-up with batter and pitcher ...Making these numbers more relivant to each individual player . In football each play is 11 men working together .... Those individual numbers mean much less .... each player on the field contributes 1/11th to each play .
To back this up .... Look at the relative value of D.Davis vs J.Wells in the same ranking system DD is 23rd and Wells 25th yet Davis avgeraged 4.2 per carry to Wells 3.6 .... compare that to M.Anderson (Denver) who had the exact same 4.2 avg as Davis yet is ranked #8 or Edgerrin James (Indy) with again the same 4.2 avg but is ranked #3 .... Then for good measure throw in Willie Parker (Pitt) who is ranked 16th but has a higher avg per carry than all of the above mentioned players with 4.7..... These numbers are skewed.
When comparing QB's Completion percentage , TD/INT ratio and Yards per attempt are still the best way to judge them .... and even these dont give all the info because other players are involved .... dropped balls and tipped passes that lead to int's can change things on paper that may not be the QB's fualt .
Football being the ultimate TEAM sport the talent or lack there of will add to or subtract from any given players ranking ..... Carr isnt near as bad as these numbers would sugguest . (Nor does he belong near the top)
Trying to adjust baseball type stats into football just doesnt seem to be a solid concept to me . In Baseball the offensive side of the game is a one on one match-up with batter and pitcher ...Making these numbers more relivant to each individual player . In football each play is 11 men working together .... Those individual numbers mean much less .... each player on the field contributes 1/11th to each play .
To back this up .... Look at the relative value of D.Davis vs J.Wells in the same ranking system DD is 23rd and Wells 25th yet Davis avgeraged 4.2 per carry to Wells 3.6 .... compare that to M.Anderson (Denver) who had the exact same 4.2 avg as Davis yet is ranked #8 or Edgerrin James (Indy) with again the same 4.2 avg but is ranked #3 .... Then for good measure throw in Willie Parker (Pitt) who is ranked 16th but has a higher avg per carry than all of the above mentioned players with 4.7..... These numbers are skewed.
When comparing QB's Completion percentage , TD/INT ratio and Yards per attempt are still the best way to judge them .... and even these dont give all the info because other players are involved .... dropped balls and tipped passes that lead to int's can change things on paper that may not be the QB's fualt .
Wolf
100% Texan
big homey said:
from what i read on it. interceptions that a player tips or isn't the qb fault doesn't count against them so that helps the QB
but hard to do the sacks thing.. some of it is the QB's fault and some isn't.
Carr isn't good at reading defenses and runs himself into trouble.
other times the OL doesn't give him time. or possibly the WR makes the wrong read on blitzes and doesn't get open
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Interesting stuff.
What struck me is how very good QBs on down teams did. (ones that had down years and played with a lot of rookies).
Steve McNair was 9th for DPAR, Favre was 15th.
Even Kerry Collins, QB of Oakland and place where Carr might be psuedo rumored to go was 11th.
It is sick to see how many non-good QBs that were ranked above Carr.
Though it is hard to say if this says more about Carr or about the bizarro offensive scheme we ran this year and the injuries the offense had.
What struck me is how very good QBs on down teams did. (ones that had down years and played with a lot of rookies).
Steve McNair was 9th for DPAR, Favre was 15th.
Even Kerry Collins, QB of Oakland and place where Carr might be psuedo rumored to go was 11th.
It is sick to see how many non-good QBs that were ranked above Carr.
Though it is hard to say if this says more about Carr or about the bizarro offensive scheme we ran this year and the injuries the offense had.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Tony Banks' DPAR for 2000 was 27, and for 2001 was 29.
Not making a point, just saying.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
I wanna know how they decide what an average QB does behind a swiss cheese O-line. I mean who are they kidding assuming they know what an "average" QB would do in the same situation? We've all seen Carr and this team play and we don't need stats that don't take everything into consideration, or jumbled and overcomplicated ones that do for that matter. For or against Carr, you've seen the games and you can make up your own mind. Football is not about calculus.
Big78
Waterboy
i'm being serious though. I think that David Carr is a good guy and a good QB. I'm a fan and he'll good things given a fair chance. and i mean a real fair chance, say one where he isnt sacked every third play, or he has a real #2 to draw some coverage away from Dre'.
Carr: MVP in '06!
Carr: MVP in '06!
brilliant