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Domanick Davis, any questions?
- Thread starter supertankman
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Beastlyman2003
Waterboy
funny. i dont hear anymore of that bull**** from fiddy about "giveaway yards or whatever he called it. WE WON THE GAME BECAUSE OF DD. true the PUSSYCATS got the goose egg, but it was set up because our defense was fresh because we had double the time of posession with domanick controlling the ground and the clock. He could have had 200 rush yards if the would have let him stay in instead of J wells
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Fiddy said:
See now that is one of those "the Texans always run, run, pass" comments that doesn't bear up to reality and makes you look like a DD hater.
This has to be the nicest thing you have ever said about DD (you probably didn't mean it that way)--so a 4th round surprise won't be upgraded unless the Texans get one of three players all of whom are expected to go in the 1st round, maybe even in the top half of the 1st round. You have almost convinced me, maybe he is serviceable.
aj. said:
I am tempted to lock this thread on general principle, but someone will start some other DD thread.
Fiddy
All Pro
Could you please elaborate on that because I really am not following...infantrycak said:
Yeah, he has 2,000 rushing yards in his career. Unless I get a game breaker, I am willing to sit with Davis for another year because he is not spectacular, but he is consistent...infantrycak said:
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Fiddy said:
Let me put it this way--last year people were all over Hollings for having a such a bad average against the Jags. You and I both pointed out that when the RB gets hit 5 times in a row in for a loss it is the responsibility of the OL. Try applying the same thing to DD--actually look at the runs and not just the stats--point out a run of under 3 yds today where it was DD's fault rather than the OL's. More importantly, even if you can come up with one, really look at the short runs and say they are more the result of DD missing opportunities than mistakes by the OL.
Fiddy
All Pro
Out of Davis' 30 carries, 20 of those carries resulted in 3 yards or less. I have a hard time buying that all 20 carries that resulted for 3 yards or less were all on the O-line. And thats what I am saying about Davis taking some of those broken plays and getting 4 or 5 yards, thats what I feel franchise backs are suppose to do...
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Fiddy said:
Well not exactly responsive to my request for specific plays, but there isn't a RB in the league that doesn't have a majority of 3 yard or less runs--they average 3 or less on their normal runs and then break off longer runs (you know those ones DD can't make except for those two today) that up their average.
DD looked really impressive considering the D he was up against, and also factoring in how Carr really didn't do much to help him out. He hit the hole hard, very rarely went down on first contact and looked quite shifty and elusive. Once you guys get all the other pieces in place, there is your franchise back. I was looking at some stats...DD is on pace for about roughly 1150 yards on the ground this year. If you factor in the 1 game he missed completely, and another 2 games (possibly 3 games) where he tried to play through injury you are probably looking at a 1500 yard back on the GROUND and who knows how much more through the air. And thats behind a less than stellar O-line. Considering COMBINED yardage, this little guy is a machine. You have bigger fish to fry before RB, I say stock up on O-line and then on other D positions in the offseason. Give this O another year to gel, and allow Carr to mature with his weapons. DD, Wells, and Hollings should be more than adequate for another year as you fill positions of more pressing need. If DD can't stay healthy, or a RBBC approach doesn't work next year, reevaluate then, and look for another franchise back option.
Some interesting numbers:
Only Priest, Alexander, and Tomlinson have more rushing TD's than DD.
DD has a longest run of 44 yards, that is the SAME as Alexander (44yds) & Corey Dillon (44yds), and BETTER than E. James (40yds), Curtis Martin (25yds), Tomlinson (42 yds), McGahee (41 yds), Bettis (29 yds), Duece McAllister (28yds), Priest Holmes (33 yds), Smith (29 yds), Staley (38 yds), and Faulk (40 yds). This is running behind an O-line that has to be in the bottom 10, maybe even bottom 5 in the league, and with a young, still erratic QB.
Some interesting numbers:
Only Priest, Alexander, and Tomlinson have more rushing TD's than DD.
DD has a longest run of 44 yards, that is the SAME as Alexander (44yds) & Corey Dillon (44yds), and BETTER than E. James (40yds), Curtis Martin (25yds), Tomlinson (42 yds), McGahee (41 yds), Bettis (29 yds), Duece McAllister (28yds), Priest Holmes (33 yds), Smith (29 yds), Staley (38 yds), and Faulk (40 yds). This is running behind an O-line that has to be in the bottom 10, maybe even bottom 5 in the league, and with a young, still erratic QB.
TheOgre
All Pro
Look at what has happened to the Bills now that they replaced Henry (a decent starting back) with McGahee (a future stud). I kind of equate DD to Henry. A nice back but not a stud. If we are going to run first and pass second, I would like to see a stud. Just look at what the change has meant to the Bills.
J
JaylonW
Guest
The only thing wrong with DD is his durability. He has been hurt in his first two seasons. NOW...if he can prove to me he can stay healthy, I am more than satisfied with his ability. I read all this stuff about Edgerrin James, Ahman Green...etc...etc...Jamal Lewis...blah blah blah....THINK PEOPLE...if there were a Jamal Lewis for EVERY NFL team available, they would all have ONE!!!!!!!!!!!....
I think the Texans have a pretty good fix of from the Best of the REST. He just needs to stay healty.
- Davis Does break tackles!!!!!!!! you don't have to believe it...but he does...
- Not Tony Dorsett Speed...(But who is) He has proven to be able to break the long run and have adequate speed.
- Excellent goaline BACK....(Such and underated ability)
- Had to adjust to DIFFERENT blocking schemes his first two years...
The Line had to adjust as well.....
- I read one comment on hear that said everytime he breaks a long run, the BLOCK is what did it..... DUH!!! about 99% of long runs are like that...Don't kid yourselves. the key is reading the block, and hitting the hole fast enough.
- The Texans NEED TO THROW THE BALL MORE....when and IF THEY DO...DD will be even more effective with less carries. We have the offensive players to run a more wide open offense...eventhough the play calling suggest we are the Baltimore Ravens....If we had Jamal Lewis...I would be happier with the offensive scheme. But we dont....and we do have AJ! We need to utilize the pass more...which will FURTHER make DD a good fit for the texans!
AGAIN I SAY....If he can stay healthy for a minimum 13 games...I am COOL WITH HIM! And pay attention peeps....Running Backs are getting INJURED ALL OVER THE LEAGUE....Stop living in a BUBBLE called HOUSTON....
Duce Staley, Westbrook, Ahman Green, Travis Henry, All of Minnesota's Backs, All the Bronco Backs, Priest Holmes, Fred Taylor,
The Browns' backs, Chris Brown, Stephen Davis, DeShon Foster, Duece McCallister.....etc....ALL HAVE MISSED SEVERAL GAMES this YEAR ALONE...from injury.....No WORSE than Little Ole Double D! They are NFL running backs...! They absolutely are the most INJURY PRONE profession in the world....SO.....
LIGHTEN UP ON DD....
If you don't like him...say so...but don't make up lame excuses like Tony Hollins would serve us better....or he's not strong enough...or he catches too short of passes..LOL
GO HOUSTON...GO DOMINIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the Texans have a pretty good fix of from the Best of the REST. He just needs to stay healty.
- Davis Does break tackles!!!!!!!! you don't have to believe it...but he does...
- Not Tony Dorsett Speed...(But who is) He has proven to be able to break the long run and have adequate speed.
- Excellent goaline BACK....(Such and underated ability)
- Had to adjust to DIFFERENT blocking schemes his first two years...
The Line had to adjust as well.....
- I read one comment on hear that said everytime he breaks a long run, the BLOCK is what did it..... DUH!!! about 99% of long runs are like that...Don't kid yourselves. the key is reading the block, and hitting the hole fast enough.
- The Texans NEED TO THROW THE BALL MORE....when and IF THEY DO...DD will be even more effective with less carries. We have the offensive players to run a more wide open offense...eventhough the play calling suggest we are the Baltimore Ravens....If we had Jamal Lewis...I would be happier with the offensive scheme. But we dont....and we do have AJ! We need to utilize the pass more...which will FURTHER make DD a good fit for the texans!
AGAIN I SAY....If he can stay healthy for a minimum 13 games...I am COOL WITH HIM! And pay attention peeps....Running Backs are getting INJURED ALL OVER THE LEAGUE....Stop living in a BUBBLE called HOUSTON....
Duce Staley, Westbrook, Ahman Green, Travis Henry, All of Minnesota's Backs, All the Bronco Backs, Priest Holmes, Fred Taylor,
The Browns' backs, Chris Brown, Stephen Davis, DeShon Foster, Duece McCallister.....etc....ALL HAVE MISSED SEVERAL GAMES this YEAR ALONE...from injury.....No WORSE than Little Ole Double D! They are NFL running backs...! They absolutely are the most INJURY PRONE profession in the world....SO.....
LIGHTEN UP ON DD....
If you don't like him...say so...but don't make up lame excuses like Tony Hollins would serve us better....or he's not strong enough...or he catches too short of passes..LOL
GO HOUSTON...GO DOMINIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TRAILERPARKBOYS
Practice Squad
Hey TheOgre - did I just read you correctly... you said you would like to see a stud at running back..... ummm you have one in Double D buddy.... DD has 1600 yards from scrimmage this year - what more do you want? The guy is a stud and it is mindboggling to me that so many on this board rip into the guy and hack em up.... Davis is one of the most underrated backs in the league and is easily top 10 in the NFL..... and too go along with his impressive stats the guy has 13 TD's - once again top 10 in the entire league.... Davis is the real deal - the total package and along with Andre Johnson and D.Robinson is the foundation of the team..... against Cleveland next week Davis will end the year with a bang with another TD and 100 plus rushing yards.... congrats on an excellent season Domanick - keep it up and run wild against the Browns next weekend.
I'M OUT....
BUBBLES
I'M OUT....
BUBBLES
TexansTrueFan
All Pro
fiddy wasnt it you that was arguing with me when that guy asked if it was a good idea to bet a 100$ that D.D would get a TD, and what did i say ??? He would have a 125+ and you said theres no way he would get that with henderson and stroud on the jags D. Glad to see i was right ! I tried finding the posts and couldnt, but i'm glad to see your not beign near as critical about D.D !
Fiddy
All Pro
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=5384TexansTrueFan said:
Maybe I missed it, but you never said 125+. You said two TDs. He got 1. And I never said he had no chance, I said the odds were against him. Like all odds were against us shuting them out...
Fiddy
All Pro
In no order:TRAILERPARKBOYS said:
Jamal Lewis
Priest Holmes
Curtis Martin
LT
Ahman Green
Duece McAllister
Tiki Barber
Cory Dillion
Clinton Portis (remember, it is on the o-line) and if you dont like him in, put McGahee
Shaun Alexander
I am with TheOgre because I still havent named Edge, Westbrook, Rudi Johnson, Kevin Jones, Julius Jones, and Taylor
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Fiddy said:
DD is not a top 10 back at this point. Looking at just this year though, McAllister (who was one of my favorite backs going into the year) has not played top 10 and in fact is in a dead heat with DD for performance this year.
Deuce McAllister 241 attempts 934 yds 3.9 ypc 28 long 8 TD's 4 20+ 49 1st downs
Domanick Davis 284 attempts 1077 yds 3.8 ypc 44 long 12 TD's 5 20+ 50 1st downs
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Fiddy said:
Thanks for walking into my web said the spider to the fly. Try this statement on for size--yeah, he had that ankle sprain early that has slowed him down and playing on the Texans doesn't help, either...
And yes I think McAllister is a better RB than DD.
Fiddy
All Pro
Yeah, but Davis' injury lingered for half the season and I doubt it was as serve as a deep ankle sprain (may of been, I honestly dont know). McAllister came back 2 weeks after his injury and averaged 4.9 and 4.3 his first two weeks back. I would have to ask someone that watches the Saints to know what happened to him after that. And when you have 9 consecutive 100 yard games in a season, you can have one bad season...infantrycak said:
Sco-tai
Waterboy
Someone posted a comparison saying DD isn't Priest Holmes...so I dug into the numbers...and I'd say that if DD can remain healthy he should prove to be of the same caliber, or better.
In DD's first 2 seasons (with 1 game to go)... 3,202 (rushing & receiving) with 4.325 yards per carry.
In Priest's first 4 seasons 2,687 (rushing & receiving) with 4.579 yards per carry behind an O-line that had been together for a while.
I wouldn't pass on Cedric Benson, but since that's a non-point, I'd say we're fine on the RB depth chart. Obviously we'll bring in some FA's to create competition, but we should be fine for 2005.
In DD's first 2 seasons (with 1 game to go)... 3,202 (rushing & receiving) with 4.325 yards per carry.
In Priest's first 4 seasons 2,687 (rushing & receiving) with 4.579 yards per carry behind an O-line that had been together for a while.
I wouldn't pass on Cedric Benson, but since that's a non-point, I'd say we're fine on the RB depth chart. Obviously we'll bring in some FA's to create competition, but we should be fine for 2005.
TRAILERPARKBOYS
Practice Squad
Fiddy has named alot of top running backs on his list on the previous page but I disagree with a few:
Ahman Green this year has been a bust - nowhere close to DD.
Clinton Portis - your basing this one on reputation... this year he has been a huge disappointment in washinton.
Deuce McAllister - fewer TD's than DD and fewer total yards
Julius Jones - a one game wonder - has only played 6 games.
Kevin Jones - is this years version of DD - similar stats to DD's rookie year.
Rudi Johnson - we all have our opinions but too me I would take DD anyday of the week. DD is way more multi-dimensional than Rudi - Rudi has hands of stone.
I'm not sayin DD is the second coming of Walter Payton BUT he is definately a solid starter in this league and a back that can get you 1700 yards from scrimmage in a season can play on my team any day of the week.
Bubbles
Ahman Green this year has been a bust - nowhere close to DD.
Clinton Portis - your basing this one on reputation... this year he has been a huge disappointment in washinton.
Deuce McAllister - fewer TD's than DD and fewer total yards
Julius Jones - a one game wonder - has only played 6 games.
Kevin Jones - is this years version of DD - similar stats to DD's rookie year.
Rudi Johnson - we all have our opinions but too me I would take DD anyday of the week. DD is way more multi-dimensional than Rudi - Rudi has hands of stone.
I'm not sayin DD is the second coming of Walter Payton BUT he is definately a solid starter in this league and a back that can get you 1700 yards from scrimmage in a season can play on my team any day of the week.
Bubbles
Fiddy
All Pro
You have to take in other seasons when debating the top 10 RBs in the league.TRAILERPARKBOYS said:
Ahman Green: I didnt know a 1400 total yards season was a bust. And this after rushing for almost 1900 the year before...
Portis: No O-line (lost their best to injuries) and Gibbs is running a stone age offense, he has reasons
Rudi Johnson: Has 1355 rushing yards
Deuce McAllister: Had 9 straight games last season with 100 yards
Kevin Jones: has 196, 100 and 156 yard games and is averaging 4.8 yards a carry
Julius Jones: carried the ball 63 times in a matter of 4 days and then a week later, exploded for 198 yards and 3 TDs including the game winner but you can make a case right now that Davis should be rated higher then Jones, but niether is top 10...
texasguy346
Mod Squad
Fiddy said:
I know this doesn't involve me, but I think you need to factor in the OLine that Rudi runs behind. The Bengals don't get much credit for how good their OLine is. Levi Jones, Steinbach, Braham, Anderson. Not too bad, and most of them are high round draft picks. I think DD could be more productive than Rudi behind the Bengals OLine, but then we'd open up an endless What If debate. I think it will be interesting to see how Chris Perry does behind the Bengals OLine next season.
ledzeppelin229
Hall of Fame
Ive liked Ronnie Brown as well, but there's no reason to use a 1st rounder on a RB. If the right guy is there on the 2nd day, or MAYBE the 3rd round, pull the trigger since RB depth in a run-first offense is always important (preferably a big guy that can knock guys over, though Wells tries hard and has shown improvement so we will see) but a young DE, CB or ILB is much more important than a first day RB to me at this point.
Speaking of Wells, he looked pretty good on his small sample of runs against the Jags. Seems to keep his feet moving much better than he used to and isn't as afraid to take a shot to get the extra yard. I think we need to re-evaluate the guy and throw out everything he tried to do in 2002, because a rookie RB behind that line and an abysmal passing game is always going to look ugly. Not to mention half the runs(hell half the plays in general) were the infamous "Draw" play.
Speaking of Wells, he looked pretty good on his small sample of runs against the Jags. Seems to keep his feet moving much better than he used to and isn't as afraid to take a shot to get the extra yard. I think we need to re-evaluate the guy and throw out everything he tried to do in 2002, because a rookie RB behind that line and an abysmal passing game is always going to look ugly. Not to mention half the runs(hell half the plays in general) were the infamous "Draw" play.
ledzeppelin229
Hall of Fame
DD was hit-or-miss Sunday. Stroud and Henderson dominate the middle of the line, and I know on the first long run the Jags overloaded the Olines right side and when Davis went to the Olines left, it meant no LBers were around and once Davis got past Darius + a little downfield blocking the Jags were doomed for a long run.
Other than that it was like hurling himself into a brick wall over and over hoping it gives a little more each time. There was no room to run when the Jags guessed right and we saw the result when they guessed wrong.
Other than that it was like hurling himself into a brick wall over and over hoping it gives a little more each time. There was no room to run when the Jags guessed right and we saw the result when they guessed wrong.
snoopmeg2002
Practice Squad
This is just for miscellaneous information. Does anyone know DD's full ethnic background. Is he mixed with something else besides African-American heritage?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
HJam72 said:
If you are going to do that, at least be considerate--that would be pigmentally challenged, Japanese and Native American of Ordinary Height in a world full of vertically augmented people..
snoopmeg2002
Practice Squad
So does he really have Japanese and Albino heritage in him, or is this a joke? And, what in the world is pygmie?
Fiddy said:
This is the best argument I've seen against DD yet....
Kudos Fiddy.....
Vinny said:
I don't know about that....... if other teams are just going to give up first downs, and let us into the RedZone, then we should work on our Redzone percentages.
There are many Runningbacks that are used to get their teams to the goalline, and he is switced out for a TD specialist...... There is nothing wrong with that approach either......... but if you're telling me Defenses don't worry about Running backs who move the ball, but don't score... then we've got the perfect back that will allow us to sneak up on teams & kill the clock.... if we could only learn to score in the redzone.
......... but after 3 of such seasons....... as good as Edgerin James, better than Ricky Williams...... we need to invest a high pick in a RB??jacquescas said:
infantrycak said:
DD is a hardworking Blue Collar guy....... after reading this thread, I can see where some folks are coming from........ but before I sign off on DDs death warrant, I'd like to see sooo much more from Reggie..
I understand we can't go into the season with 2 running backs.....
I've never seen that.BornOrange said:
BornOrange said:
That's a function of the OL.... they have to move the line of scrimmage...
At the same time, if the Defense would keep the game close, they wouldn't "let" anyone get 201 yards.Wolf said:
Fiddy said:
So on this play, and any other 1st down run, DD ought to be able to pick up the first down, keep the play alive, March us into the RedZone, score us a touchdown. This particular Colts game we lost by 8 points...... I see what you're saying, but I don't think it is that simple.
More along the lines, that you don't even have to sack our QB...... just pressure him, and he'll either take a sack, make a sack, or make a mistake..
If what you are saying is correct, then Stacey Mack, James Allen, & Jonathan Wells would've been racking up the same yardage DD is getting..... heck, DD would still be on the Bench......
Fiddy said:
But DD has average 4-5 Yards/carry....... for three years running.
AndreJ said:Yesterday on his 11 yd TD run he flat out ran over R.W. McQuarters and dragged him into the endzone with R.W. hanging on to his leg. If i recall correctly he did the same thing in houston against Idianaplois on his TD run leaving a trail of defenders in his pass (Please don't make me go find any pictures). What more can the guy do this season he has 972 rushing yards and is leading the AFC running back with 515 recieving yards (1442 yards total)! Their are WR's who wish they could have the many yards recieving. Oh and not to mention his 12 TD's on the season. Who cares if he is moving the ball by running or passing a 12 yd pass is no different the a 12 yard run. The leading running back in the league (Curtis Martin) has 1690 total yards (179 passing) and 14 TD's. DD is only trailing Curtis by 248 yards and 2 TD's, who is to say he isn't getting the job done and that Defenses don't plan for him in their attack when he accounts for damn near 50% of the texans offense. And dont come back and give me that BS (empty yards excuse).
P.S As far as DD getting empty yards and nott putting points on the board, he ties Tiki Barber with 11 Rushing TD's and thats 6th in the NFL. Once again he's doing his job and it aint his fault the taxans have been losing.
Great post......... we need AndreJ to get back in here
AndreJ said:Yes clinton portis hasn't done jack **** this year i said it. Sure he has 1283 yards, but he also has the most carries in the league (333 carries) and is only avg. 3.9 yards a carry where as his previous two years he avg. 5.5. He also only has 225 passing yards. 225+1283=1508. I think that is what maybe 50 yards more than Davis has had this year not to mention he has missed a few games.
Anyways enough of Portis, what Davis lacks in the running game he makes up in the passing game. For the record, all RB's cannot catch the ball (Jamal Lewis) I have also seen Sean. Alexander drop many passes. Something we never see DD do. Just so you know DD acounts for 50% of our offense in all our games, not just the gm's we lose. And for the last time stop placing the blame on DD for losing the games, by saying when he has 50% of our offense we lose because he always has 50% of our offense. It is not his fault and football is a TEAM sport. It aint like tennis or golf in case you haven't noticed.
Damn, and i said this was gonna be sweet and short.
Ouch......... another good one.
So you're saying Carr can pass on the worst teams in the league, but not the ones with decent Defenses.....Fiddy said:
Davis accounted for 0% of the offense in the Oakland win...
Davis accounted for 9% of the offense in the Chiefs win...
Davis accounted for 7% of the offense in the Titans road win...
Davis accounted for 26% of the offense in the Jags win...
Davis accounted for 48% of the offense in the Titans home win...
Davis accounted for 37% of the offense in the Bears win...
Davis accounted for all the offense in the first half of the Vikings game and we got 0 points, Davis accounted for little offense in the second half of the Vikings game and we scored 28 points...
So what were you saying???
Frank_The_Tank
Waterboy
Man the Bush-Bandwagon is Psychotic. Man they rip and Bash on everyone, they are worse than the Young Bandwagon. man the draft cant come quick enough.
three years, total yards…….. Marshall 4372 three years, total yards…….. James 5297Grid said:
Three years, total yards…….. Domanick 4471
Rushing yards
Marshall 1282yds/yr1 1079yds/yr2 587yds/yr3 total: 2948
Domanick 1031yds/yr1 1188yds/yr2 976yds/yr3 total: 3195
James 1553yds 1709yds 662yds total: 3924
Avg YPC:
Marshall 4.1 yr1 3.7 yr2 3.0 yr3 avg: 4.0
Domanick 4.3 yr1 3.9 yr2 4.2 yr3 avg: 4.1
James 4.2yr1 4.4yr2 4.4 yr3 avg: 4.3
Longest run:
Marshall: 52 yrds 40 yrds 43 yrds
Domanick: 51yrds 44yrds 44yrds
James: 72yrds 30yrds 29yrds
TDs:
Marshall: 11 11 7 total 29
Domanick: 8 13 2 total 23
James: 13 13 3 total 29
20+ yrd runs...
in his first 3 years, Marshall had 19 runs over 20 yrds, James had 23, Domanick had 13
Recieving you say??
three years...
Marshall: 1425 yards, with only two reception going for more than 40 yards.
Domanick: 1276 yards with no receptions going for more than 40yards.
James: 1373 yards with 3 receptions of more than 40 yards.
Before this season, I've heard people compare Domonick Davis to Emmitt Smith, and Marshall Faulk. The only real knock on him, is that he's missed a few games.
games played:
Marshall 16 yr1 16 yr2 13 yr3 45 total
Domanick 14 yr1 15 yr2 11 yr3 40 total
James 16yr1 16yr2 6 yr 3 38 total
Domanick only missed 5 more games than Marshall did his first three years. He has more rushing yards, 150 yards less recieving.
He's played 2 games more than Edgerin James.
Ronnie Brown.. 15games
RushingYards: 907 on 207 carries(13.8/game) 4 for touchdowns, 5 longer than 20 yards, and 41 first downs......
Recieving yards: 232 on 32 catches(2.1/game)....... 7.3avg..... 1 TD, 12 Firstdowns....
That's 1139 total yards.... on 15.9 touches/game.(4.7 yards/touch)
Ladainian Tomlinson 16games, started
Rushing Yards: 1236 on 339 carries(21/game).. 10 TDs, 7 runs over 20, 67 First downs....
Recieving yards: 367 on 59(3/game) catches, 6.2 avg........ 0 TDs....... 12 FDs
That's 1603 total yards from scrimmage. on 24 touches/game.(4.2yards/touch)
DD 14 games......... 10 started
Rushing Yards: 1031 on 238 carries(17/game).... 8 TDs...5 runs over 20, 47 first downs....
Recieving Yards: 351 on 47 catches(3.35/game).... 7.5avg..... 0 TDs..... 15 first downs.
That's 1382 total yards from scrimmage, on 20 touches/game.(4.9 yards/touch)
IF you had a guy who had a better rookie year than one of those two, and came up 221yards shy of the best Running back to come out of college in the last decade(110.5 yards per game, 14 vs 16) when LT started all 16 games, would you still draft Reggie Bush??
I originally did a search, trying to find good posts about DD from way back, See if I can get the DD bandwagon rolling again. Instead I've found..... more of the same.... People have been wanting to "upgrade" the position from way back.
Still, I've noticed most comparisons...... DD isn't like Edge.... DD isn't like Faulk.... DD isn't like so-and-so, usually compare DD to people who've been in the league more than three years..... or to people who are coming off a particularly good year.
I don't think those are fair comparisons, even though DD isn't exactly like this player, or that player, he's been just as productive as most, if not all of the "franchise" backs we take for granted nowadays.
I was surprised to see that Edgerin James bested DD in both rushing & passing yards, while playing 2 less games than Domanick. I doubt, however, that their are many more examples of such.
Thanks to Fiddy's arguments, I can see a little better, where many of you guys are coming from.... that DD is allowed to pick up his little bit.... Defenses aren't scared of him scoring...... I don't buy it, but I understand it. If DD can get our team into the RedZone, and we can't score with a ProBowl reciever, and a 1000 yard RB......... then we've got other problems. more serious still, than Runnig back. Much of which has been addressed, with a TE who can be split out, and a FB that can catch the ball.
I'll be upset(like that matters) if we draft Reggie, and end up loosing DD in 2 years....
I look at it like this..... if we are going to say we can win a SuperBowl with David Carr, therefore we don't need Vince Young....... we should look at DD the same way.
Can we win a SuperBowl with Dommanick Davis?? I think so, therefore, we don't need Reggie.
Still, I've noticed most comparisons...... DD isn't like Edge.... DD isn't like Faulk.... DD isn't like so-and-so, usually compare DD to people who've been in the league more than three years..... or to people who are coming off a particularly good year.
I don't think those are fair comparisons, even though DD isn't exactly like this player, or that player, he's been just as productive as most, if not all of the "franchise" backs we take for granted nowadays.
I was surprised to see that Edgerin James bested DD in both rushing & passing yards, while playing 2 less games than Domanick. I doubt, however, that their are many more examples of such.
Thanks to Fiddy's arguments, I can see a little better, where many of you guys are coming from.... that DD is allowed to pick up his little bit.... Defenses aren't scared of him scoring...... I don't buy it, but I understand it. If DD can get our team into the RedZone, and we can't score with a ProBowl reciever, and a 1000 yard RB......... then we've got other problems. more serious still, than Runnig back. Much of which has been addressed, with a TE who can be split out, and a FB that can catch the ball.
I'll be upset(like that matters) if we draft Reggie, and end up loosing DD in 2 years....
I look at it like this..... if we are going to say we can win a SuperBowl with David Carr, therefore we don't need Vince Young....... we should look at DD the same way.
Can we win a SuperBowl with Dommanick Davis?? I think so, therefore, we don't need Reggie.
MasterC25 said:
Anyone expecting Reggie to get 1600yrds rushing, 400 yards recieving his rookie year??
I don't.
I expect DD to get that with Kubiak......
IMHO, drafting Reggie, reducing DDs role, is going to hurt our running game more than help it...
While I don't expect any designed QB runs, I expect Vince to double Carr's rushing TDs the first year he plays, and match if not exceed his passing TDs..
DominickDavisFan76
Waterboy
Dominick Davis is a good back, but when it all happens and we draft reggie, he should go back to a 3rd down back, and let reggie take over.
chuckm
Veteran
thunderkyss said:
long shot but I believe that 1200 rushing, 500 receiving is realistic
thunderkyss said:
No doubt about that ... but will the sum of Bush's yards + DD's yards be greater than DD's yards alone (assuming Bush isn't drafted)?
thunderkyss said:
Dunno but we'll worry about that towards the end of this decade
The problem with the exercise is that the Texans don't think of it as an argument of Bush versus DomDavis. They think of it as Bush plus DomDavis versus improving the team in some other aspect. Casserly has said numerous times in numerous ways that the Texans believe that Bush is 12-15 touch per game guy what can score on any play. That is what they value from Bush not his ability (or inability) to line-up behind the QB and run the zone stretch play 25 times a game.
ArlingtonTexan said:
I can't fathom any team filling this role with a #1 overall pick.....
it does not compute.
tulexan said:
doubt it, there are just as many questions about his work ethic, attitude, and personality now, as there were then.
20 teams passed on Moss then, I'm sure twenty will pass on him today.......
thunderkyss said:
Your crazy, 20 teams pass on a future Hall of Fame Reciever. Like him or not Moss is the most explosive downfield threat every in this league when healthy, and you actually think 20 teams would pass on him again. Put your personal feelings aside he is a all time great.
thunderkyss said:
I assume that you would not draft a WR very high either. The very best in the league touch the ball 7 times a game. The problem for many is that they are trying to force Bush into a traditional RB role, because for lack of a better term he is called that. His function at USC really was an offensive player maker who lined up all over the place and caused confusion for the defense and made the life of the other offensive players easier. He has never been a traditional RB and evaluating him as such will lead to negative conclusion in terms of his value. TheTexans are projecting him to do what he has always done, not in a new role (a feture RB).
Your concern is warranted and one of the reasons I believe that the Texans pursuit of Mario williams and tradedowns over the last week or so,are more than mere smokescreens.
outofhnd
Rookie
To be honest the NFL has changed on us the last 3 years gentleman. I think the time of the everydown back can be officially regarded as extinct. Everything is now so situational in this league.
I mean last year in Denver who was Denvers main running back? bith players statistics were comparable..
We are all fooling ourselves thinking we will have a primary running back when there really isnt a primary back anymore. I honestly think there will be no rhyme or reason to our RB by committee next year. I think it will be play whoever is hot. If DD is picking up 100 yds and a couple tds the first 3 games he starts the 4th, if in the 4th hes contained and Bush breaks out for 140 and 2 scores, he starts week 5. sure we will have designed plays where they are both back there, but you cant confine both backs to being primarys and backups. Bush is unproven at the NFL level you cant automatically proclaim him to be your feature back without him surving camp and preseason. Its rare a RB performs as well in his first year like cadillac did and dont look for that to be repeated by bush. I think you take the McGahee approach in buffalo you play them both ride whoever is hot that week into the next one. then after a year or 2 of sharing you then make your decision.
I mean last year in Denver who was Denvers main running back? bith players statistics were comparable..
We are all fooling ourselves thinking we will have a primary running back when there really isnt a primary back anymore. I honestly think there will be no rhyme or reason to our RB by committee next year. I think it will be play whoever is hot. If DD is picking up 100 yds and a couple tds the first 3 games he starts the 4th, if in the 4th hes contained and Bush breaks out for 140 and 2 scores, he starts week 5. sure we will have designed plays where they are both back there, but you cant confine both backs to being primarys and backups. Bush is unproven at the NFL level you cant automatically proclaim him to be your feature back without him surving camp and preseason. Its rare a RB performs as well in his first year like cadillac did and dont look for that to be repeated by bush. I think you take the McGahee approach in buffalo you play them both ride whoever is hot that week into the next one. then after a year or 2 of sharing you then make your decision.
