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Domanick Davis, any questions?

I would like to see LaMont Jordan, Najeh Davenport or Anthony Thomas as our starting RB next season. Someone that can be the workhorse back Capers is looking for.
 
Fiddy said:
Where did you hear Fisher deny it???
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Monday press conference by Fisher:

(on if there was any consideration to let them score in order to get the ball back in the fourth quarter)

There was consideration but not at this point. It came up in the Jacksonville game. It was a different situation obviously we were ahead and this case we were behind. There was consideration there but no. We had people out of position. We were lined up in a front coverage and just had some younger players out of position and just didn’t get in the right gaps. It did give us a chance though.
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They have it on the Titans' webpage but however their page works doesn't differentiate the articles to link directly to it--it is dated 11/29/04.
 
Fiddy said:
Davis always gets caught from behind.
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Yeah, but here lately they have to do it alot.

This past game though did show to me that we don't have that back that can get the real hard yards (Davis sometimes confuses me with this though because you will see him rip off a nice 15 yarder or so and get in the endzone.) Anyone else notice how our sweep never really works. You look at DDs # and all I can help but think is, man what if he was our 3rd down back and had half that productivity?
 
Anyone else notice how our sweep never really works.
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Go back and look at the Texans third play from scrimmage against Chicago. It was a thing of beauty with Wand, Pitts, and Norris out front hammering people. Davis gained 1/4 of his rushing yards for the game on that one play.
 
TheOgre said:
1000 yards became the benchmark back when teams played 12-game seasons. That comes to about 83 yards a game. To approximate that in a 16-game schedule, you need 1333 yards a season. It isn't as clean of a number as "1000" so the media still makes a big deal out of 1000 yard seasons. When Davis is routinely topping 1333 yards, then I will give him some props. I don't think he has the stamina, speed, or power to do that though.
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It's probably 133.333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333...

I did want to bring up something, though. Remember back to those first two games this season when DD had the 4 fumbles. I now remember saying that he was trying too hard to fight for extra yardage and not concentrating on holding onto the ball. Now, he's not getting that same extra yardage. He's not breaking tackles and putting any fear into the defenses. At least that's what some of us think, anyway. Could it be that he's STILL worrying about those first 2 games? Maybe it's a subconscience thing. I don't think this has already come up on this thread. Sorry, if it has.

On the Fisher thing. I don't care what Fisher says, I still think he gave up that touchdown. That whole defense just suddenly got shoved out of the way. It was way too beautiful. Besides, that's one of the reasons I think Fisher is such a great coach. He will try anything to win and he comes up with amazing stuff. I know that it's possible we just kicked butt on that play, but I REALLY doubt it.
 
aj. said:
Go back and look at the Texans third play from scrimmage against Chicago. It was a thing of beauty with Wand, Pitts, and Norris out front hammering people. Davis gained 1/4 of his rushing yards for the game on that one play.
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also, two key runs on that late drive were sweeps. Basically the same play twice in a row. The first one came to the right and the 2nd went to the left.
 
Seems to me that after the early season fumbleitis, players are still more intent on trying to strip the ball from DD than trying to tackle him. He's making the runs now and holding unto the ball. :whew
 
Hey everyone...I'm a Seahawks fan (I bleed blue) who happens to enjoy watching Texans football. I think a lot of it stems from the fact that we are almost always the 4pm game and I need something to do at 1pm, so I began casually following your team when our games don't conflict. But anyway, my two cents on your DD issue.

The biggest issue in the case of your running game is your O-line. The Seahawks have Walter Jones, Hutchinson, and Tobeck, from center to left tackle and they maul people in the running game. Fast, strong, big with a good scheme that always seems to open holes. If you put the Seahawks 2nd or 3rd Rb behind the line they will still put up excellent numbers. Are their back-ups talented? Well, yes...but I wouldn't say they have elite skills. If we had DD back there, he wouldn't be too far off from Alexander in production in my humble opinion. PLUS, DD is a much more natural pass catcher than SA, who seems to fight the ball in. Comparing the two, DD wins on heart, and SA would win (but not by much) in talent. Any and all Seahawk fans know about SA's willingness to slide at the first sign of trouble, as not to get his pretty mug messed up. They may as well put a dress on him, he ONLY runs hard inside the red zone when he knows its stat padding time. Watching DD, he simply doesnt take plays off, and appears to be a high effort guy. SA behind your line would be abysmal.

Does DD have elite skills, well no...but I don't think elite skills are needed to be an excellent RB so long as you have a great O-line (which you don't), tons of other offensive talent (you may in the future, but still young) as AJ is not a TO or Holt or Harrison as of yet plus Carr is not a Manning or Brady or Favre, or superior offensive planning (which I dont see either). DD looks to have a quick burst, excellent short range acceleration, decent power, and is a high effort guy with a lot of heart. Does he have top tier break away speed of a Portis ... no. But neither does someone like a SA who is surely regarded as at least a top five RB in this league. I think SA is comparable to DD in overall speed, but DD is much quicker. In terms of SKILLS, SA has amazing body control, elusiveness, and has the power to maul people like a Jamal Lewis, but he doesnt like contact.

IF DD had a real O-line and a high power offense he could put up SA type numbers, look at his TD and yardage totals in your offense, behind that line, with a young QB, and young wr's. In a west coast type offense with better players around him DD could be lethal. If I were your GM, I'd not look at RB at all for the next few years. Hollings has potential if he were ever healthy, and Wells does well enough as the punisher with DD the feature back. I think you guys are one year away from playoffs, assuming you take care of line issues (both sides of the ball) this offseason, and maybe 2-3 years away from a deep playoff run once all your young talent has some time to mature and gel. Oh, but in closing, I think many of you are way too hard on DD, and I think his biggest problem is your offense, and the O-line itself. You can probably also factor in his psyche from being hurt and having the fumbling issue. The best way to evaluate DD would be to think of how other "blue chip" RB's would do in YOUR offense. I doubt their results would be all that much different.
 
Chawky1 said:
Hey everyone...I'm a Seahawks fan (I bleed blue) who happens to enjoy watching Texans football. I think a lot of it stems from the fact that we are almost always the 4pm game and I need something to do at 1pm, so I began casually following your team when our games don't conflict. But anyway, my two cents on your DD issue.

The biggest issue in the case of your running game is your O-line. The Seahawks have Walter Jones, Hutchinson, and Tobeck, from center to left tackle and they maul people in the running game. Fast, strong, big with a good scheme that always seems to open holes. If you put the Seahawks 2nd or 3rd Rb behind the line they will still put up excellent numbers. Are their back-ups talented? Well, yes...but I wouldn't say they have elite skills. If we had DD back there, he wouldn't be too far off from Alexander in production in my humble opinion. PLUS, DD is a much more natural pass catcher than SA, who seems to fight the ball in. Comparing the two, DD wins on heart, and SA would win (but not by much) in talent. Any and all Seahawk fans know about SA's willingness to slide at the first sign of trouble, as not to get his pretty mug messed up. They may as well put a dress on him, he ONLY runs hard inside the red zone when he knows its stat padding time. Watching DD, he simply doesnt take plays off, and appears to be a high effort guy. SA behind your line would be abysmal.

Does DD have elite skills, well no...but I don't think elite skills are needed to be an excellent RB so long as you have a great O-line (which you don't), tons of other offensive talent (you may in the future, but still young) as AJ is not a TO or Holt or Harrison as of yet plus Carr is not a Manning or Brady or Favre, or superior offensive planning (which I dont see either). DD looks to have a quick burst, excellent short range acceleration, decent power, and is a high effort guy with a lot of heart. Does he have top tier break away speed of a Portis ... no. But neither does someone like a SA who is surely regarded as at least a top five RB in this league. I think SA is comparable to DD in overall speed, but DD is much quicker. In terms of SKILLS, SA has amazing body control, elusiveness, and has the power to maul people like a Jamal Lewis, but he doesnt like contact.

IF DD had a real O-line and a high power offense he could put up SA type numbers, look at his TD and yardage totals in your offense, behind that line, with a young QB, and young wr's. In a west coast type offense with better players around him DD could be lethal. If I were your GM, I'd not look at RB at all for the next few years. Hollings has potential if he were ever healthy, and Wells does well enough as the punisher with DD the feature back. I think you guys are one year away from playoffs, assuming you take care of line issues (both sides of the ball) this offseason, and maybe 2-3 years away from a deep playoff run once all your young talent has some time to mature and gel. Oh, but in closing, I think many of you are way too hard on DD, and I think his biggest problem is your offense, and the O-line itself. You can probably also factor in his psyche from being hurt and having the fumbling issue. The best way to evaluate DD would be to think of how other "blue chip" RB's would do in YOUR offense. I doubt their results would be all that much different.
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Shaun Alexander is going to put up a 1500 rushing yard season while averaging 4.8 yards per carry, so I really dont mind a RB sliding at the first sign of trouble when he puts up 1500 yards.

AJ - 73 receptions, 1083 yards, 18 rec. over 20 yards, 3 rec. over 40
Holt - 80 receptions, 1183 yards, 20 rec. over 20, 3 rec. over 40

AJ is in Holt's class....

On speed and being able to make things happen: Alexander has 13 runs over 20 yards, Davis has 3 runs over 20. After you get by the front 4 and front 7, it is the RBs job to make things happen. Alexander makes it happen, Davis doesnt (And there have been plenty of times where Davis has gotten pass the front four and seven but gets taken down)

On the run blocking: In the 4th game of the season, Wells had 105 yards at 4 yards a carry. And through 3 games, Davis was averaging around 2.9 or something absurd like that...

And when was the last time Alexander missed a game??? Davis cant even get through a training camp without getting injured...
 
He slides when the Seahawks need him to make a play. DD always looks like he is running hard for you guys. Those long runs you mention are a product of scheme and O-line ability as much as SA's own ability. SA is NOT that great...trust me, I watch EVERY Seahawks game and have since the Sunday ticket thing started back when. He is grossly overrated, and everyone will see that when SA is on a diff team next year. He cannot, or should I say, WILL not block to protect his QB. He is an enigma....I dont feel he is in it for the money per se, but he likes attention...fame and all that. Won't block, slides, no heart, meager receiving skills, not elite RB fast.....he probably has as many drawbacks as DD, but scheme and the offense cover those up. He would be HORRID on the Texans. The worst thing about DD is lack of top end speed as I said earlier, and that is not a requirement to be a great, featured, every down back.

I think AJ is a pure talent, and has the natural ability of someone like a Moss or a TO, but until he strings together a few seasons of elite performance, then he has not arrived. I would probably grade him at a high top ten WR, but more like top 15 at this point of his career. I would put Moss, TO, Harrison, Holt and others ahead of him at this time in terms of consistent reliable production. Next year or the following I see him as top five, but not quite yet.

I will agree with you on durability...but SA pretty much goes through the motions and takes a lot of dives which is why he is never hurt. He has no heart what-so-ever, and is just not one to give it up for the team. SA gets by on purely athletics and instinct, if he actually gave half the effort that DD gives, he would have all world numbers.
 
Chawky1 said:
He slides when the Seahawks need him to make a play. DD always looks like he is running hard for you guys. Those long runs you mention are a product of scheme and O-line ability as much as SA's own ability. SA is NOT that great...trust me, I watch EVERY Seahawks game and have since the Sunday ticket thing started back when. He is grossly overrated, and everyone will see that when SA is on a diff team next year. He cannot, or should I say, WILL not block to protect his QB. He is an enigma....I dont feel he is in it for the money per se, but he likes attention...fame and all that. Won't block, slides, no heart, meager receiving skills, not elite RB fast.....he probably has as many drawbacks as DD, but scheme and the offense cover those up. He would be HORRID on the Texans. The worst thing about DD is lack of top end speed as I said earlier, and that is not a requirement to be a great, featured, every down back.

I think AJ is a pure talent, and has the natural ability of someone like a Moss or a TO, but until he strings together a few seasons of elite performance, then he has not arrived. I would probably grade him at a high top ten WR, but more like top 15 at this point of his career. I would put Moss, TO, Harrison, Holt and others ahead of him at this time in terms of consistent reliable production. Next year or the following I see him as top five, but not quite yet.

I will agree with you on durability...but SA pretty much goes through the motions and takes a lot of dives which is why he is never hurt. He has no heart what-so-ever, and is just not one to give it up for the team. SA gets by on purely athletics and instinct, if he actually gave half the effort that DD gives, he would have all world numbers.
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Fair enough, but sometimes it is better to go down on the first hit as a RB and live to play another down. LT does it more then people think. I read an article about him and he said that sometimes it is better to jump out of bounds or go down with the first hit because the RB position is the most grueling position on the field. You get hit every play, so you prolong your career by doing that. Ask Curtis Martin...
 
thanks for the outsider perspective Chawky1. hopefully it will at least give alot of the houston naysayers an idea, from an unikely source might i add, of the value DD has to the texans right now. and you did a good job at reinforcing the theory that our modest running game is due to the lacking of our o-line v DD's ability as a RB...
 
I didn't really want to step on any toes in here....I mean we all take our football very seriously. In my opinion, we are often more critical of our own team due to our own personal expectations and bias. I'm sure I am overly critical of my own team. And probably even moreso this year since they have taken a collective dump and will back into the playoffs only to get the boot in the first round. This is assuming that they can beat either Ariz or Atl of course.

I really do enjoy watching your team though...maybe it started out for me as the underdog thing, but you guys have some high end skill players. What has been bugging me for a long time, as I lurked here, was the DD bashing. He is no where near as bad as some people here make him out to be. I cannot stress enough how bad your O-line looks in comparison to other O-lines out there. I honestly feel DD would be a stud RB running behind the left side of the Seahawks line, or even the Chiefs, or Ravens O-line. As I said earlier, home run speed is not the end all thing for a marquee RB. No doubt it helps....look at LT or Portis, but many others have had highly productive careers with speed limitations. Someone like a Rickey Watters or Roger Craig in the past ... or someone like Edge, Deuce, or Curtis Martin now. All these successful RB's have been on winning teams with an above average to excellent O-line and good systems for the offensive personnel in the systems.

So while DD doesnt have that one golden asset, speed, I think he brings a lot of other premier back qualities to the table. Throw in some stud O-line guys, a Gonzalez/Gates/Shockey/Heap type TE, and you are good to go. I think you have pretty good WR depth, but Carr needs more time to be able to get the ball to them. Your line is the issue for both your running and your passing issues in my opinion.....alright, done rambling for a bit.
 
For a perfect demonstration of the difference the OL and blocking schemes make for a RB, see:

Clinton Portis
2002 Denver 1508 yds, 5.5 ypc, 15 TD's, 11 runs over 20+ yds
2003 Denver 1591 yds, 5.5 ypc, 14 TD's, 13 runs 20+

2004 Skins 1283 yds, 3.9 ypc, 5 TD's, 5 Runs 20+

He may get to 1500 yds this year, but it is going to take a hundred extra carries to get there. And somebody going to tell us that Portis is not an explosive back? So why only 5 runs over 20+ yards?
 
Holy **** is everyone here a moderator? It seems like every post I see it's a mod posting! Is there somewhere I can sign up and be a mod? :)

Edit: you guys filter *-*-*-*!? What is this, the Romper Room? :rofl:


Just joshin guys.

Oh yeah to stay on topic, I don't think much of Davis. I think he played well last year, but has come back down to earth this year, even with your zone blocking scheme that was going to make him a 2000 yard rusher. :rolleyes:
 
jagsfanincanada said:
Holy **** is everyone here a moderator? It seems like every post I see it's a mod posting! Is there somewhere I can sign up and be a mod? :)
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**** has disqualified you for the application. this is from another moderator. :neener:

and yes we are nerdy, I mean "family oriented" on this board. :lipseal
 
STEEL BLUE TEXANS said:
Teams stack the box against the Redskins in order to stop Portis. DD does not get that much respect from opposing teams.
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That completely misses the point which was the affect blocking schemes have on RB's which is well demonstrated by the results of the same RB (who in his 3rd year should be peaking) in two different systems. Are you going to argue teams didn't stack against him in Denver when he was gashing them for even more yardage?

As for stacking the box against the Texans--whether opposing teams do that or not doesn't add anything to the DD vs. the OL, who is more responsible, debate because to a D coordinator it doesn't matter what is causing a running attack to be poor--bad OL or bad RB or both--it just means they don't have to stack to stop it and can concentrate on the biggest threat--AJ.
 
infantrycak said:
As for stacking the box against the Texans--whether opposing teams do that or not doesn't add anything to the DD vs. the OL, who is more responsible, debate because to a D coordinator it doesn't matter what is causing a running attack to be poor--bad OL or bad RB or both--it just means they don't have to stack to stop it and can concentrate on the biggest threat--AJ.
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There you have it. Thats exactly what I was getting at in my usual long winded way. The problem is the OOOOOOOOOOO - LINE....and secondarily, the offense itself.
 
one thing that jumped out at me was in this stat line

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every person who thinks we desperately need an upgrade at RB would gladly take portis over DD. yes, better avg this year, more yards, and has the invaluable "home run speed" that we, again, desperately need. well, believe it or not, there is one area DD trumps portis in. a stat that could easily be argued as the most important (maybe a close second behind apc)....touchdowns!!!

if the arguement for empty yards was made with DD and portis in mind, i would be a hardpressed to think that DD's yards are "empty" relative to a "bigger threat" back that has higher yds, apc and # of 20+ runs but fewer scores. if scoring doesn't fill the "void" of empty yards, i don't know what does.......

i think what it comes down to is DD is doing his job adeqautely enough to not be questioned. with the other more pressing needs of this team, it's very unfair to blame all of the teams offensive shortcomings on a player who is playing succesfully (if anything, relative to many of his teamates).
 
The question of this thread is "Can Domanick Davis be our feature back?"

Yes, he can be as he has been the past 2 seasons.

Should he be? No, not if we want to become legitimate playoff contenders.
 
Davis has opened his career with 2 1,000 yard seasons, very few running backs have done that. He has potential to be our feature back, and will allow us to not be forced to draft at that position until later in the draft.

In a couple years if we need to we can use an early pick for a back, but for now we are set.
 
Our team can become a legitimate playoff contender with Davis as it's feature back. New England hasn't exactly had the "dream backfield" in it's two Super Bowl runs and you can count the number of teams who had a feature back but didn't make it to the Super Bowl. It's a very long list. Likewise you can sit there all day and talk about superstar QB's who don't have a title. The formula for being a legit playoff team doesn't require the addition of a superstar back. A competent one will do and Davis is more than competent.

If the Texans will get their pass protection act together then Davis is plenty of weapon out of the backfield. The problem we're experiencing right now is a result of teams knowing that Domanick Davis isn't going to beat you all by himself AND knowing that David Carr isn't going to get enough time to beat you. The passing game has to get better for the Texans to be able to use a mid to upper-mid range back like Davis and beat people. It's not an impossiblity though. It's not even all that uncommon.

All I'm saying is that the Davis question isn't a black and white, this or that type of issue. Knowing what Davis "is" and accepting that doesn't mean you can't win with him or that you deny that the Texans can be succesfull with him as the starter. The Patriots won two Super Bowls with what I consider to be upper-mid range running backs. They had other weapons to compensate and yeah, when they got a chance to nab a real running threat in Corey Dillon they grabbed him. The Texans may very well do that. Until then Davis can be the back and do well.
 
A better line still may not answer the durability problems though.


However I agree that the Oline is the biggest hurdle for Davis. He has the skills, just doesnt get the opportunity. Will be interesting to see if we stick with Zone blocking and if we are better at it next season, or if we go back to the old way and see if Davis can repeat his rookie year.
 
Hervoyel said:
Our team can become a legitimate playoff contender with Davis as it's feature back. New England hasn't exactly had the "dream backfield" in it's two Super Bowl runs and you can count the number of teams who had a feature back but didn't make it to the Super Bowl. It's a very long list. Likewise you can sit there all day and talk about superstar QB's who don't have a title. The formula for being a legit playoff team doesn't require the addition of a superstar back. A competent one will do and Davis is more than competent...
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All I can say is this may be the wisest post ever. Durability is the biggest question mark on DD for me--of course Fragile Fred had a problem with that he seemed to get over as well. If DD had repetitive problems with the same area I would worry more, but right now it is broken hand, cracked rib, tweaked thigh, twisted ankle, i.e. playing football. In the meantime C, LB, TE, DT, CB strike me as higher priorities. I don't mind if the Texans use their 1st round pick on a RB (cough, Ronnie Brown, cough) but other drafts may produce better results next year.
 
Herdof said:
Ugh. Can we PLEASE turn off the "Ronnie Brown is God" hype machine.
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Do you have some actual feedback on him? At this point, the reason he is intriguing to me is size (better than Benson or Williams), speed (better than Benson or Williams) and ability to catch out of the back field (better than Benson or Williams) and likely to be available without moving up in the draft. What is your review of him?
 
When healthy, Davis is a great RB. He can run and catch passes out of the backfield.
 
Grid said:
A better line still may not answer the durability problems though.


However I agree that the Oline is the biggest hurdle for Davis. He has the skills, just doesnt get the opportunity. Will be interesting to see if we stick with Zone blocking and if we are better at it next season, or if we go back to the old way and see if Davis can repeat his rookie year.
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If DD is making it into the secondary with improved O-line play, you'd have to think he would have physics on his side then. Better to get smacked by, and then have fall on you a guy who is 220lbs than someone who is 340lbs....maybe that could help with durability.
 
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Do you have some actual feedback on him? At this point, the reason he is intriguing to me is size (better than Benson or Williams), speed (better than Benson or Williams) and ability to catch out of the back field (better than Benson or Williams) and likely to be available without moving up in the draft. What is your review of him?
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I think that Ronnie is a very good prospect off his physical measurables alone. I've watched Auburn from the bushes a couple times and I like what I've seen. Something gives me a feeling that he's kind of a faster Stephen Jackson from last years draft. I'm just getting an odd feeling, though. I'm just not completely sold on him like a lot people (More like 80/20 in favor of him). I'm not ready to consider him as the savior of our offense/team if we draft him, or so gun-ho to quit on Domanick Davis as a feature back either.

Get me? It's not like I'm saying that's he's a bad prospect. Quite the contrary. I believe that he has a very bright outlook, but with the rate that I keep hearing his name around Texans boards I could swear that he's a bonafide can't-miss stud a la LaDainian Tomlinson.

If his stock DOES happen to get so high through workouts and combine, he'll be gone way off the board. It wouldn't be the end of the world anyway. This is a good and underrated running back class. If we decided to go on to draft an RB, we can find a couple of more than good RBs first day. Ciatrick Fason, for example, can be found in the second round. I have a feeling that RB's are going to slide again. It's like most teams already have their young backs. I think four or five teams at most are in real need of a running back.

I STILL am on the ideology that Dom Davis is having a sophmore slump with being nicked up and all that plus the offensive line's inconsistency. He's still going to pick up 1500+ total yards, screw the "empty yards" nonsense, so he's not as bad as everyone is making him out to be - its a helluva production for a 4th rounder who was expecting to be a kick returner and "change of pace" back. I think he can be very good with a solid and consistent offensive line.

Just my .02 cents - Director's Cut.
 
i disagree with the "sophmore slump". we have seen all that DD can do. Teams know that he can't hurt them. AJ can hurt them, so they concentrate on AJ. DD gets his yards and then when we get into the red zone and the defense has a shorten field to work with, they then stack the line and pound DD. Simple.And with our offense, moving down the field is a chore,given the fact that we have a habit of getting penalties on us.
 
Teams aren't afffaid if DD handles the ball ,say, 36 times , but if LT or Priest Holmesd did..the defense would be in trouble..

someone answerr me why a defense wouldn't be in trouble?
 
after reading through this thread.. I think I am of the opinion that the problem isnt DD.. but the oline. The reason that the defense doesnt have to stack the box against us is because our Oline doesnt require them to. The opposing dline has been able to run over our Oline and that has made it hard for DD to really break through.

If we had a better Oline.. then not stacking the box against DD would lead to DD making 7-15 yard runs.. which would force them to stack the box to keep him in check, which would lead to AJ getting open.

DD has the skills.. if the Oline would give him holes then he would become a factor. As things are.. the defense doesnt have to worry to much about it cause DD isnt given the CHANCE to break big runs.

and maybe a better oline WOULD fix some of his durability problems.. since he wouldnt be getting creamed by Dlinemen quite so much.
 
I'm not so sure it's the O-line's fault either. I mean, it could be the D-line's fault . Every time our D-line has more than usual trouble getting to the QB, then DD gets fewer yards that day. In Chicago, they got to the QB, and DD had almost 100 yds. Furthermore, everytime Foreman has covered a wide-out it has hurt DDs chances of having a big game. I think most of the blame for DDs problems has been Jay Foreman's fault. It's definitely on the D. They can't stop the 3rd down conversions.

But you know, it could be referees, the announcers, Capers, Palmer, Fangio, the media, or even Fiddy and me. We hurt his feelings and he couldn't overcome it. It could be that he took too much speed before the game or not enough. They have to get it just right, you know. But I'm convinced that part of it is the way that while he's running he keeps his head pointed in the direction of the cheerleaders. I don't think he knows where he is.
 
oh bleh.. every position on the field impacts every other position in one way or another. Some more than others.

the Oline has had a HUGE effect on not only DDs production, but the WRs production as well. if ya cant agree with that, then you just aint paying attention.
 
Grid said:
oh bleh.. every position on the field impacts every other position in one way or another. Some more than others.

the Oline has had a HUGE effect on not only DDs production, but the WRs production as well. if ya cant agree with that, then you just aint paying attention.
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I wasn't really trying to be sarcastic, though I know it looks that way. I just can't resist making stupid comments sometimes. The O-line is a big problem. I know.
 
Wolf said:
we have seen all that DD can do. Teams know that he can't hurt them. AJ can hurt them, so they concentrate on AJ. DD gets his yards and then when we get into the red zone and the defense has a shorten field to work with, they then stack the line and pound DD. Simple.
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Simple--yes. Correct--no.

Domanick Davis 11 TD's--actually 12, he has one receiving as well.
Andre Johnson 5 TD's.

Seems DD has been hurting teams where it counts (the scoreboard) in his horrible, needs to be benched, let's put Wells in season more than twice as much as pro-bowler AJ. But then, I guess those were empty TD's, right?

[disclaimer--not a smack on AJ--he is great and deserved the pro-bowl]
 
infantrycak said:
Simple--yes. Correct--no.

Domanick Davis 11 TD's.
Andre Johnson 5 TD's.

Seems DD has been hurting teams where it counts (the scoreboard) in his horrible, needs to be benched, let's put Wells in season more than twice as much as pro-bowler AJ.
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:thumbup

Good point.
 
infantrycak said:
Simple--yes. Correct--no.

Domanick Davis 11 TD's.
Andre Johnson 5 TD's.

Seems DD has been hurting teams where it counts (the scoreboard) in his horrible, needs to be benched, let's put Wells in season more than twice as much as pro-bowler AJ. But then, I guess those were empty TD's, right?

[disclaimer--not a smack on AJ--he is great and deserved the pro-bowl]
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Thats almost like saying Greg Jones and Fred Taylor have the same number of TDs so Jones is more productive because he has done it in less carries.


Davis' TDs -
vs. San Diego
2 yard TD run
1 yard TD run
vs. Minnesota
1 yard TD run
vs. Denver
1 yard TD run
1 yard TD run
vs. Indy
1 yard TD run
1 yard TD run
vs. GB
6 yard TD catch
vs. Tenn
41 yard TD run
vs. NYJ
2 yard TD run
vs. Indy
15 yard TD run
vs Chi
11 yard TD run

So he has 8 TD runs of 2 yards of less, for some reason I think that if you put Wells in the backfield on those, we would still get the TDs.

We could try to inflate AJs TDs number by throwing him fade routes in the endzone, but running it with Davis is the smartest way. Someone has to score from the one, and the coaches chose Davis to take those duties...
 
Fiddy said:
Thats almost like saying Greg Jones and Fred Taylor have the same number of TDs so Jones is more productive because he has done it in less carries.
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Try looking back at the quote I was responding to that asserted teams stack the box once we get into the endzone and "pound Davis." Spin it how you want--that pounding evidently isn't the same as stopping Davis. And it isn't a question of "inflating" DD's TD's--getting into the endzone in short yardage situations is the job of a RB. Franchise back that he is, there is a reason the Jags pull Taylor and formerly put in Mack and now Jones--he doesn't get it done on those oh so easy 2 yd runs you cavalierly say could easily achieved by Wells. Maybe that makes Taylor's 1200+ yds so far "empty yards"--nah, his name isn't Davis.

By the way, Taylor and Jones combined have 4, count them 4 TD's.
 
Davis is the man, just face it! some of yall cant admit you were wrong ! And if i'm not mistaken TDs are what wins games and D.D gets those for us !
 
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