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Dom Davis' career is over

oso said:
IMO, between catching and running DD did the best of any Texan of producing on the field. The problem has been getting him there. He deserves the IR and the Texans owe him a lot.

You think any back in the league wants LESS touches? Come on guys, be realistic. He lasted slightly shorter than the avg. RB in the NFL. AND he got paid AND he can still walk & talk. He gave what he was supposed to give, just like you do at work. The Texans owe him whatever the contract says it does, nothing else. All this feel good stuff is garbage. We'll all miss him, hell I'm wearing his jersey to the game next Sunday but still put it in perspective.
This is a business, not rec league at the Y.
 
Doom Capers said:
People we need to be a little more supportive than "cut him". This is a guy who was used as a workhorse the past 3 season for this team. Without him we probably wouldn't have been able to win half of our games. I think he deserves a chance to sit on IR and see how he feels. He also deserves the 800,000 bonus.

I agree. He was one of the keys to our small amount of success over the last couple of years. If I was McNair I would see he is well taken care of and then part ways if he can't play. This is why IR makes the most sense. There is a remote possibility he could be back next year so why not? The Texans are making plenty of money--all but 300 season tickets have been sold.

I think it would help the Texans' reputation about taking care of players who contribute.
 
Rightnow said:
I agree. He was one of the keys to our small amount of success over the last couple of years. If I was McNair I would see he is well taken care of and then part ways if he can't play.

I know this isnt an exact analogy (baseball v. football salary realities), but this kind of thinking has the Astros stuck paying Bagwell a gozillion dollars for doing nothing ....


Rightnow said:
The Texans are making plenty of money--all but 300 season tickets have been sold.

salary cap


Rightnow said:
I think it would help the Texans' reputation about taking care of players who contribute.

I agree
 
Tale Gator said:
Microfracture surgery DD -- microfracture...

This type of minimally invasive surgery is confined to smaller, defined areas of cartilage damage...not widely diffuse deficiency of surface cartilage joint coverage. It is performed arthroscopically as an outpatient. It's essentially drilling multiple holes in the denuded areas to stimulate the bone marrow to release cells that can cause cartilage defects to heal with neogrowth. Some studies claim a 75 percent improvement at three-to-five-year follow-up. But in the case of athletes, except in addressing smaller areas of defect, it is still one that would be advocated for an older athlete trying to be more mobile in everyday type of activities.....not returning to the football field........essentially a maneuver attempting to temporarily postopone an inevitable knee replacement.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
This type of minimally invasive surgery is confined to smaller, defined areas of cartilage damage...not widely diffuse deficiency of surface cartilage joint coverage. It is performed arthroscopically as an outpatient. It's essentially drilling multiple holes in the denuded areas to stimulate the bone marrow to release cells that can cause cartilage defects to heal with neogrowth. Some studies claim a 75 percent improvement at three-to-five-year follow-up. But in the case of athletes, except in addressing smaller areas of defect, it is still one that would be advocated for an older athlete trying to be more mobile in everyday type of activities.....not returning to the football field........essentially a maneuver attempting to temporarily postopone an inevitable knee replacement.

So basically, going on what you know about DD's knee, would surgery even help? In your opinion is his career over? One last question, isn't the meniscus the layer of tissue/muscle that fits under the kneecap and provides a layer of protection between the kneecap and knee joint? And once again, thanks for the input on this, you have posted some great information regarding DD's knee over the past several weeks.
 
Doom Capers said:
People we need to be a little more supportive than "cut him". This is a guy who was used as a workhorse the past 3 season for this team. Without him we probably wouldn't have been able to win half of our games. I think he deserves a chance to sit on IR and see how he feels. He also deserves the 800,000 bonus.

Easy for you to say when you're not the one that has to whip out $5-6 million because DD "deserves" it...
 
Doom Capers said:
People we need to be a little more supportive than "cut him". This is a guy who was used as a workhorse the past 3 season for this team. Without him we probably wouldn't have been able to win half of our games. I think he deserves a chance to sit on IR and see how he feels. He also deserves the 800,000 bonus.

He got the signing bonus (8mil?) - AND he still deserves another 800k? for nothing?

I agree it is sad he is hurt. But, its not like he got hurt on his rookie contract - then I would agree that he deserves extra. But, he pocketed 8 mil and only has played half a season (another 2 mil for that season) since. So, if its treu that this is a permanent problem, cut him. We need to build for the future, and if this is a permanent problem, he is not part of it.
 
Xman said:
He got the signing bonus (8mil?) - AND he still deserves another 800k? for nothing?

I agree it is sad he is hurt. But, its not like he got hurt on his rookie contract - then I would agree that he deserves extra. But, he pocketed 8 mil and only has played half a season (another 2 mil for that season) since. So, if its treu that this is a permanent problem, cut him. We need to build for the future, and if this is a permanent problem, he is not part of it.

I agree. Loyalty was one of Capers' downfalls.
 
Xman said:
He got the signing bonus (8mil?) - AND he still deserves another 800k? for nothing?

I agree it is sad he is hurt. But, its not like he got hurt on his rookie contract - then I would agree that he deserves extra. But, he pocketed 8 mil and only has played half a season (another 2 mil for that season) since. So, if its treu that this is a permanent problem, cut him. We need to build for the future, and if this is a permanent problem, he is not part of it.
For the upteth time, you cant cut a player when he is hurt. That would require another settelment and more money being paid out this season. They are going to wait a year, put him on IR and proabably settle the injury and cut him next offseason, assuming he dosnt make a miraculous recovery.
 
Let the guy heal and move on with somebody else this year.

I thought Smith looked good. The Texans are fine at RB.
 
WWJD said:
Let the guy heal and move on with somebody else this year.

I thought Smith looked good. The Texans are fine at RB.

He has already said that the damage is irreversible and that he will not get operated on again. He is done with his career, unfortunately. I love him but it's just the way it is.

IMHO Smith will be getting cut today. We have younger, better talent at RB right now and Antowain is far past his prime.
 
I don't understand what is going through his mind but I am getting the feeling that DD another victim of the Million Dollar Syndrome? The doctors say that he is clear to play, note to Coach Kubiak “Davis is all mental make him play or start fining the guy”. Davis has had plenty of time to return, shoot T.O. came back from a broken ankle in like 6 weeks. I get the feeling that if you start taking those Dollars out of his pocket, Million Dollar Davis will see the light.
 
Xman said:
...But, its not like he got hurt on his rookie contract - then I would agree that he deserves extra....


Then it would be easy to agree that he "deserves extra" since he wouldn't be getting it right?

To some extent the fat contract is as much a reward for what you have done as it is payment for what you will do. Relatively few rookies can demand the kind of "set for life" contract that someone like Reggie Bush* gets out of the gate. When you're picked in the fourth round to return kicks and come in on 3rd down then you have to survive your rookie contract and do enough to earn a bigger one next time around.

Don't regret the money that goes to Domanick Davis because it was well spent and honestly earned. It's one thing to get annoyed at dead money on the cap for people who didn't put out on the field and the Texans cap has plenty of them.

Domanick Davis earned his paycheck and he earned his signing bonus. It's a shame he won't be playing this year but maybe he'll come back in 2007. It is at least a possibility.

(*chosen as an example only because he was the top running back picked in the draft this year)
 
vtech9 said:
hey CND, I know I asked you before about the option of using cartilage from a cadaver, but I didn't think to ask you about using teflon or silicone? Would one of those be an option? Are there any other options? Of course, any of these options would require more surgery, which DD says is not going to happen, but I would love to here your thoughts on the subject.
Look at the $ DD is signed for. Look at the yards he has gained. If he thought there was any surgery that would allow him to play, even if it was not til 2007, i think he would choose that route. I think career is over and Kubes is respecting the guy.
 
Hes a great guy and has carried this team for a while now...Hopefully he will help up and can do it for us again some day! I really hope Morency or Lundy or Smith can stand up and do what they gotta do.
 
oso said:
IMO, between catching and running DD did the best of any Texan of producing on the field. The problem has been getting him there. He deserves the IR and the Texans owe him a lot.
Not picking on you, OSO, but what EXACTLY do the Texans owe him? He's due a ton of $$ that is owed to him, contractually. He's going to retire a wealthy, mostly healthy young man. Unfortunately, the business side of life HAS to take precedence over sentimentality. I might feel differently if he had been a MAJOR part of the sports scene in Houston(ALA Jeff Bagwell) for a decade or so.
 
texan279 said:
So basically, going on what you know about DD's knee, would surgery even help? In your opinion is his career over? One last question, isn't the meniscus the layer of tissue/muscle that fits under the kneecap and provides a layer of protection between the kneecap and knee joint? And once again, thanks for the input on this, you have posted some great information regarding DD's knee over the past several weeks.

Over the past few months, I have tried to prepare the board for the "realistic." Again, it is my opinion from all available information afforded to me that DD was allowed to "run his knee to the ground" before it was addressed appropriately. "Play through the pain," "suck it up," "act like a man." These are all things athletes are told and are programmed to accept. However, pain especially chronic pain is always a way your body is letting you know that something is wrong........usually ongoing progressive trauma. At its first appearance there needs to be thorough evaluation. If there is even the small beginnings of a problem, i.e., a meniscal tear (the menisci only account for small perimeter areas of the knee joint surface), you don't ignore it "to finish out the season" (and remember knee problems since college unaddressed) or until you "can't take it anymore," unless you are willing to take the chance that it can extend itself to a situation that is no longer amenable to reasonable correction or "longevity." For whatever reasons, the latter was apparently allowed/encouraged and the inevitable has come to be. The menisci were no longer there to cushion protect the remaining large areas of cartilagineous knee joint surfaces, and the floating meniscus particles which were not addressed in a timely fashion further traumatically eroded these surfaces................until "bone on bone." End of story........and, unfortunately, I would be shocked if not end of career.
 
Any chance, and I am just speculating, that the Texans are making sure he can't go before they cut him for our own sake and to make sure no other team takes a chance on him because we would hate to lose him?
 
El Tejano said:
Any chance, and I am just speculating, that the Texans are making sure he can't go before they cut him for our own sake and to make sure no other team takes a chance on him because we would hate to lose him?
If he won't play for the Texans (for all the money they gave him), he won't play for another team that'll pay him less because he's hurt...
 
I'm glad I'm not the one having to choose between Taylor and Smith. Taylor has more upside and speed, but Smith is proven and a good veteran. It is risky to carry three rookies. I know Morency isn't a rookie, but he nearly is when it comes to playing time. I don't think we can put Taylor on the practice squad without someone grabbing him.

If it came down to it, I'd probably pick Taylor. Since he has that break away speed he offeres something that Smith, Lundy and Morency can't. It will be later in the season before his vision is good enough to have him on the field much.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Over the past few months, I have tried to prepare the board for the "realistic." Again, it is my opinion from all available information afforded to me that DD was allowed to "run his knee to the ground" before it was addressed appropriately. "Play through the pain," "suck it up," "act like a man." These are all things athletes are told and are programmed to accept. However, pain especially chronic pain is always a way your body is letting you know that something is wrong........usually ongoing progressive trauma. At its first appearance there needs to be thorough evaluation. If there is even the small beginnings of a problem, i.e., a meniscal tear (the menisci only account for small perimeter areas of the knee joint surface), you don't ignore it "to finish out the season" (and remember knee problems since college unaddressed) or until you "can't take it anymore," unless you are willing to take the chance that it can extend itself to a situation that is no longer amenable to reasonable correction or "longevity." For whatever reasons, the latter was apparently allowed/encouraged and the inevitable has come to be. The menisci were no longer there to cushion protect the remaining large areas of cartilagineous knee joint surfaces, and the floating meniscus particles which were not addressed in a timely fashion further traumatically eroded these surfaces................until "bone on bone." End of story........and, unfortunately, I would be shocked if not end of career.

What he said!

Sounds like DD waited too long to have his surgery?

Another reason to dislike our previous regime. I suppose.

:coffee:
 
Rightnow said:
I'm glad I'm not the one having to choose between Taylor and Smith. Taylor has more upside and speed, but Smith is proven and a good veteran. It is risky to carry three rookies. I know Morency isn't a rookie, but he nearly is when it comes to playing time. I don't think we can put Taylor on the practice squad without someone grabbing him.

If it came down to it, I'd probably pick Taylor. Since he has that break away speed he offeres something that Smith, Lundy and Morency can't. It will be later in the season before his vision is good enough to have him on the field much.

Maybe I missed the answer, but w/ the possibility of DD being cut - :confused: :( - could they have kept A. Smith, Morency, Taylor, and Lundy?
 
HoustonFan said:
Maybe I missed the answer, but w/ the possibility of DD being cut - :confused: :( - could they have kept A. Smith, Morency, Taylor, and Lundy?

Not a possibility. Cant cut injured players. Must make a contract settlement with them.

We could have kept 52 RBs and 1 OL if we so desired.
 
texan279 said:
In the interview Dom said he had been dealing with this knee since college, I don't think he was "wasted" by the previous regime.

He may have said that. But when you are the one carrying 62% of the offense when the previous regime fails to put enough talent around you, my statement more than stands as resonable.

Because of the previous regimes ineptitude, a guy that deserves and probably would have prospered greatly to play for an offensive minded coach is put to pasture; that is nothing short of a freaking WASTE. No offense to you, or your opinion. It's just mine, but I don't believe I'm alone in the opinion.
 
rafterticket said:
He may have said that. But when you are the one carrying 62% of the offense when the previous regime fails to put enough talent around you, my statement more than stands as resonable.

Because of the previous regimes ineptitude, a guy that deserves and probably would have prospered greatly to play for an offensive minded coach is put to pasture; that is nothing short of a freaking WASTE. No offense to you, or your opinion. It's just mine, but I don't believe I'm alone in the opinion.

Did you mean Davis carried 62% of the rushing game? Or total offense? Are you going by yardage? Touches? Last season only or last 3 seasons?
 
I feel bad...I always liked Davis...and will always like him...great player..loads of talent...and would have gotten better...was nice having him on the team
 
I wish him the best in luck whatever goes on with him. He did a heck of a job for us despite the fact that we didnt have the best O-Line and often played from behind causing us to do a lot of passing.
 
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