Does anyone actually want Kubiak to stay?

[DexmanC]

I am not a proponent of keeping Gary Kubiak. I don't mean to defend him, but the only way to get to the conclusion you have, is to ignore the good he has done here.

Even in this waste of a season, we are tops in Red Zone offense. We are tops in 3rd & short. We are tops in the run game. Even though AJ has sat out (more or less) 3 games, he's tops in the league. We have an opportunity to end the season 3-3 in the division, which is a big improvement over our divisional play over the last 4 years.

Again, he is not the head coach he should be after a lifetime in the league, part of a successful program in Denver, and five years at the helm here......

But he's not chopped liver.

I believe we've played our part in the education of Gary Kubiak.... I believe canning him is the best thing that can happen for him right now. Winning is everything, no excuses.

The only stat I care for, and really have always cared for, is wins. We
don't win against the division. We don't win against the conference.
We don't win against playoff-bound teams. Glossy stats combined
with losses mean jack squat to me. Crappy stats combined with wins,
and Kubiak could get a lifetime contract from me.

Kubiak staying here will only ruin the team, and by extension, Kubiak.
A parting of the ways is in order here. I wish him farewell. At least
he got a 2 million dollar house on San Felipe out of the deal.

 

[Big Lou]

No one who has a shred of credibility as a legit NFL analyst or fan could even begin to rationalize bringing this abject failure of a regime back for another season.

Let's call a spade a spade people who want Kubiak back and before that wanted to keep Carr despite all evidence showing their loser stripes are ****ing TERRORISTS. That's right terrorists because these sadomasochists are out to deny us Houston NFL fans from enjoying playoff football.

They did a Devils Advocate at SB Nation today. My Devils Advocate would strictly be that the Offense is Kubiaks Offense. Unless they were to bring the Shannanagans in to replace him (Not Likely or desired) the Offense will be blown up and will probably regress. At the same time th D would more than likely improve just because the "Suck" had left the room. Probably wouldn't offset enough though, so we'd be looking at 3 years of reggression/rebuilding. Are we prepared for that? I'm not, but I'm not addvocating doing nothing so that we remain a 5-10 win team for the next 10 years, but it sure will suck to have a crappy Defense and OFFENSE!!!!

I just fell of the Kubiak bandwagon mid year, I was a believer until that stretch against NY, and Dallas, and came back around a little, and then jumped off and ran.

If Kubiak stays and McNair/Smith hire a Top Notch DC (Don't know who that would be, but I mean someone spectacular, which isn't likely considering another team would make them HC if they were God's Gift to the Defensive Football) , I won't drink any Drano, but it will be tougher to get pumped up next year before the season starts. Only because I will know we have to improve from this year. However I find myself craving blood!!! There needs to be a public execution at the end of the season to satisfy my primative instincts.

:kubepalm:

 

[DexmanC]

They did a Devils Advocate at SB Nation today. My Devils Advocate would strictly be that the Offense is Kubiaks Offense. Unless they were to bring the Shannanagans in to replace him (Not Likely or desired) the Offense will be blown up and will probably regress. At the same time th D would more than likely improve just because the "Suck" had left the room. Probably wouldn't offset enough though, so we'd be looking at 3 years of reggression/rebuilding. Are we prepared for that? I'm not, but I'm not addvocating doing nothing so that we remain a 5-10 win team for the next 10 years, but it sure will suck to have a crappy Defense and OFFENSE!!!!

I just fell of the Kubiak bandwagon mid year, I was a believer until that stretch against NY, and Dallas, and came back around a little, and then jumped off and ran.

If Kubiak stays and McNair/Smith hire a Top Notch DC (Don't know who that would be, but I mean someone spectacular, which isn't likely considering another team would make them HC if they were God's Gift to the Defensive Football) , I won't drink any Drano, but it will be tougher to get pumped up next year before the season starts. Only because I will know we have to improve from this year. However I find myself craving blood!!! There needs to be a public execution at the end of the season to satisfy my primative instincts.

:kubepalm:

Kubiak's offense is a stat-padder. In tight situations, they suck. Give
me a team with the discipline to make the "key" plays, and I could
care less what their stat-ranks are.

 

[Shaft75]

Kubiak's offense is a stat-padder. In tight situations, they suck. Give
me a team with the discipline to make the "key" plays, and I could
care less what their stat-ranks are.

Somewhat agree to this. You have to remember why we succeed in tight situations. Dre keeps this team in ball games. How many spectacular catches has he had in crunch time?

But yeah, our offense sputters at least one half a game, every game. And it's usually in the first half, which = terrible gameplanning. And we found out at today's press conference who the culprit is for a bad gameplan.

 

[DexmanC]

Somewhat agree to this. You have to remember why we succeed in tight situations. Dre keeps this team in ball games. How many spectacular catches has he had in crunch time?

But yeah, our offense sputters at least one half a game, every game. And it's usually in the first half, which = terrible gameplanning. And we found out at today's press conference who the culprit is for a bad gameplan.

My post was anti-Kubiak, by the way. I left the context out of the paragraph because
I assumed my position on the subject was long understood.

 

[Mr. White]

I couldn't put it any better than my man Vinny put it here a year and a half ago.

My problem with Kubiak is that he calls his games like an overzealous offensive coordinator. Kubiak has been a poor strategist and puts the team in bad situations, over and over. Hopefully having someone else call the plays will help him see the bigger picture more readily.

I think if Kubiak becomes successful here, then he'll need to change his whole coaching philosophy. But it would be like asking a leopard to change it's spots.

 

[Shaft75]

My post was anti-Kubiak, by the way. I left the context out of the paragraph because
I assumed my position on the subject was long understood.

I can read man! I know your stance.

I was just pointing out that the main reason we are in some of those tight games is because of spectacular plays by #8 and #80. The gameplanning is what puts us in the hole. Well, and bad defense.

 

[houstonspartan]

The only stat I care for, and really have always cared for, is wins. We
don't win against the division. We don't win against the conference.
We don't win against playoff-bound teams. Glossy stats combined
with losses mean jack squat to me. Crappy stats combined with wins,
and Kubiak could get a lifetime contract from me.

Kubiak staying here will only ruin the team, and by extension, Kubiak.
A parting of the ways is in order here. I wish him farewell.

Well said, and I agree as usual.

 

[bigfan77801]

Ok. Let's kill the revisionist history right now...

I ,Pantherstang84, do hereby proclaim that I firmly believe on 12/27/2010 that Gary Kubiak, current head coach of the Houston Texans, should be dismissed from his current duties as head coach. I do not proclaim this with malice in my heart or being. I proclaim it due to my belief that both the Houston Texans and Gary Kubiak need to separate so that they may grow respectively. I also make the following stipulations:

1. If Kubiak eventually becomes a legendary head coach winning multiple Super Bowls with another organization, that I will not now or ever claim that I did not want Kubiak dismissed from his current duties as Texans head coach.

2. I am fully aware that this post and its contents will be saved for historical accuracy.

I encourage my fellow board members who want Kubiak dismissed to cosign this post so the revisionist history claims may be extinguished in the future.

Signed,

Pantherstang84
12/27/2010

Signed,
Bigfan77801
12/28/2010.

 

[TexansFight]

I'm just going to assume he meant to be sarcastically humorous with that, but hey, I sometimes assume too much :kubepalm:

DING DING, we have a winner. Unfortunately some of the dimmer bulbs didn't get it. Nevertheless, I really believe those not wanting to fire Kubiak have a screw loose or enjoy pain. There is no other legitimate explanation other than them being a member of the Kubiak family.

 

[Wolf]

DING DING, we have a winner. Unfortunately some of the dimmer bulbs didn't get it. Nevertheless, I really believe those not wanting to fire Kubiak have a screw loose or enjoy pain. There is no other legitimate explanation other than them being a member of the Kubiak family.

only thing I could think of this morning because maybe I am one of the dimmer bulbs, but I figure that over the years, I would learn your sarcasm, but I have got a clue still and I guess from what I can tell a few others more. Maybe use the sarcasm smiley when you are sarcastic ?

 

[Mr teX]

Amazing that you would actually use the Dunta Robinson release as some sort of "I told ya so" nonsense. Dunta? Really? Lol! Is that how low some of you Kubes supporters are reaching now?

That was actually one of the smarter things Smithiak has actually done here. In case you didn't notice our defense was pathetic last season when Dunta was here as well. Our secondary was torched last season, and Dunta was burnt miserably all year long. His attitude changed and he became vastly overrated. And whether you want to believe that he was some Messiah at CB or not is your perogative, but the bottom line was that it wasn't working out here for him anymore and once that's the case you have to have a divorce between both parties.

You want to actually act like Dunta's exit here is some major reason why this defense is struggling the way it is, well that's a bunch of BS. The real reason is the what you defended for years and it's Smithiak's lack of any action in free agency to fill up holes on this defense year after year in free agency with productive veteran players like every other consitently competitive team does. If you're not getting better you're getting worse in the NFL, and the Texans have never done anything to make themselves get better in the off season from year to year. They've just stood pat and said "Build through the draft, Build through the draft"!! Well now you're seeing it's ugly head form in year 5 from that. Draft picks are a roll of the dice every time. The Texans have refused to build up this secondary since Smithiak got here.

B.S. Last year, the secondary wasn't giving up record amounts of yardage in the air & after the 1st 3 games, the secondary at least looked competent back there. We are a far cry from that now. Oh yeah, that veteran leadership you're talking about...he brought that. When this regime finally got the memo & tried to replace that (albeit too late) with Jason Allen it was too late. No, i'm not using his departure as an "i told you so" type moment but trying to downplay his loss from our secondary as not being all that big of a deal......especially when his addition to ATL's pushed them over the top, quite frankly is just silly.

As far as this regime's refusal to build up the secondary, that's a fallacy. They've used draft picks & hit FA to build it up, Matt & Adam chronicled this on 790 this morning. It hasn't been so much as a refusal, more of that they just haven't panned out b/c they've been terrible talent evaluators.

 

[Surreal McCoy]

As far as this regime's refusal to build up the secondary, that's a fallacy. They've used draft picks & hit FA to build it up, Matt & Adam chronicled this on 790 this morning. It hasn't been so much as a refusal, more of that they just haven't panned out b/c they've been terrible talent evaluators.

Careful there, Pal. Facts are frowned on around here so you just better watch your step!

 

[HoustonFrog]

Kubes could also be the next Wade Phillips....nice guy, really good coordinator, horrible at game management and outcoached in many games. Probably alot closer to the truth than Bellichick or Landry.

Also, for those that might be nervous he succeeds...why? There is no corrolary that says if he learns from his mistakes and succeeds elsewhere that the Texans must then suck. They can learn from their mistakes and get the right guy in here to win also. Win/win. Gary hasn't learned in 5 years though so right now it is a good option to go the other direction. Alot of what happens to coaches down the road is opportunity/organizations/GMs.

 

[CharloTex]

B.S. Last year, the secondary wasn't giving up record amounts of yardage in the air & after the 1st 3 games, the secondary at least looked competent back there. We are a far cry from that now. Oh yeah, that veteran leadership you're talking about...he brought that. When this regime finally got the memo & tried to replace that (albeit too late) with Jason Allen it was too late. No, i'm not using his departure as an "i told you so" type moment but trying to downplay his loss from our secondary as not being all that big of a deal......especially when his addition to ATL's pushed them over the top, quite frankly is just silly.

As far as this regime's refusal to build up the secondary, that's a fallacy. They've used draft picks & hit FA to build it up, Matt & Adam chronicled this on 790 this morning. It hasn't been so much as a refusal, more of that they just haven't panned out b/c they've been terrible talent evaluators.

Dunta Robinson did not want to play in Houston any more. The only way we could have kept him here was as a disgrunt, by franchising him and paying him as though he were the 3rd best CB in the league (average of top 5). Get the frig over it. That divorce was brought on by Dunta, not Smithiak. You can love Dunta's verve all day long, he didn't want to play here - for the Texans, or for YOU.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Re: Does anyone actually want Kubiak to stay?

I do!

Signed,

Frank Bush

 

[Pantherstang84]

Dunta Robinson did not want to play in Houston any more. The only way we could have kept him here was as a disgrunt, by franchising him and paying him as though he were the 3rd best CB in the league (average of top 5). Get the frig over it. That divorce was brought on by Dunta, not Smithiak. You can love Dunta's verve all day long, he didn't want to play here - for the Texans, or for YOU.

Must spread rep yada yada.

 

[Double Barrel]

I am not a proponent of keeping Gary Kubiak. I don't mean to defend him, but the only way to get to the conclusion you have, is to ignore the good he has done here.

Even in this waste of a season, we are tops in Red Zone offense. We are tops in 3rd & short. We are tops in the run game. Even though AJ has sat out (more or less) 3 games, he's tops in the league. We have an opportunity to end the season 3-3 in the division, which is a big improvement over our divisional play over the last 4 years.

Again, he is not the head coach he should be after a lifetime in the league, part of a successful program in Denver, and five years at the helm here......

But he's not chopped liver.

I believe we've played our part in the education of Gary Kubiak.... I believe canning him is the best thing that can happen for him right now. Winning is everything, no excuses.

I don't ignore the good he has done, but when evaluating a head coach, you don't just look at one side of the ball. Matter-of-fact, you have to look at the big picture, including all three phases (offense, defense, ST), player evaluations and acquisitions, coaching hires, and the final product on the field.

80 games is a reasonable amount to evaluate any given head coach by even the most liberal of standards.

I'd love to have Kubiak as our offensive coordinator, but not as our head coach. Unfortunately, firing a head coach burns a bridge so the former is simply not possible.

But if he does get another HC with another team, I wish him nothing but the best (unless he's our opponent, of course). I have no animosity toward the guy and hope his career goes in a more positive direction than what it's been with the Texans.

I love how people interject opinion as fact... Funny as hell, really!!!

Jackasses, really!!!!!!

The only facts we really need to know is career 36-43, and four seasons in a row that the team under his leadership has been 5-7 at the 12 game mark.

Scoreboard really is all that matters, and Kubiak's record speaks for itself without the need for opinion.

 

[Rey]

Somewhat agree to this. You have to remember why we succeed in tight situations. Dre keeps this team in ball games. How many spectacular catches has he had in crunch time?

A lot...

I wonder how Matt would do if he had as many prime targets go down as some other QB's...

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

An interesting rather buried piece of info. The "eplanation" leaves this fan just shaking his head.:kubepalm:

Smith hits nail on head

After the 24-23 loss at Denver, defensive end Antonio Smith said there was confusion on defense that caused, among other things, the Texans to get caught with 10 players on the field twice.

Coach Gary Kubiak said injuries to defensive tackles Shaun Cody and Earl Mitchell contributed to the confusion.

"We suited seven defensive linemen for maybe the only game since I've been here," Kubiak said. "Then we had two get nicked up. We're trying to rotate guys because of the altitude and trying to keep guys fresh, so we got ourselves into a pickle.

"It was our fault as coaches. We got out of whack with some substitutions, and we had to waste a timeout, and another time got the wrong personnel on the field. You've got to work through those things."

 

[Rey]

Dunta Robinson did not want to play in Houston any more. The only way we could have kept him here was as a disgrunt, by franchising him and paying him as though he were the 3rd best CB in the league (average of top 5). Get the frig over it. That divorce was brought on by Dunta, not Smithiak. You can love Dunta's verve all day long, he didn't want to play here - for the Texans, or for YOU.

No...That was the organizations fault...

I do not believe that Dunta wanted to leave, just so he could leave...

He even said that he would not complain about the franchise tag the second time around...

Here is a great post by Runner about Rick Smith:

That series of negotiations was instructive about Rick Smith, GM.

Each time, a player who had been very good for the Texans wanted to renegotiate his contract. A leak is made to the press about an exorbitant, though unconfirmed, offer made by the Texans that was summarily turned down. Player gets villified by fan base for being greedy and negotiating in the press.* An impasse would be reached and Smith would use his "big stick" of free agency rules to keep the player. The fans celebrate because Smith is tough.

One of Smith's responsibilities is to negotiate contracts to lock up players the team needs to keep long term. The contract needs to be one that both the team and the player will sign. He has failed at that much more than a good GM should. Also, if the contract offers are to be believed, he: A) routinely tries to overpay players and B) can't even get a contract signed that his heavily in the player's favor.

Rick Smith is part of the problem.

*Kudos to the Texans PR department, boo to Houston media hacks, and a "C'mon, think about it" to Houston fans. The player didn't release those details; it came from the Texans because it made them look good and the player look bad.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

No...That was the organizations fault...

I do not believe that Dunta wanted to leave, just so he could leave...

He even said that he would not complain about the franchise tag the second time around...

Yes but franchising him was the wrong move because it was DRASTICALLY overpaying him.

 

[scourge]

No...That was the organizations fault...

I do not believe that Dunta wanted to leave, just so he could leave...

He even said that he would not complain about the franchise tag the second time around...
Here is a great post by Runner about Rick Smith:

That was after his fiasco the previous season where he got tagged. Once he had that subpar year he changed his attitude. He knew he wouldn't get that kind of money elsewhere and wanted to hopefully play well enough this season to warrant the money he thought he deserved before the '09 season. If he did play well he would've wanted us to give him that high dollar contract during the season, otherwise I don't think he would have signed with us once he became a free agent unless we were the highest bidder.

 

[Mr teX]

Yes but franchising him was the wrong move because it was DRASTICALLY overpaying him.

If you hit FA hard like some here want the texans to do, you're ALWAYS gonna overpay, even for the studs & in that regard it's really a moot point.

The only guys you don't overpay for in FA are the scrubs.......in other words, the guys we get. Even then you could still argue that they're overpaid b/c they suck & shouldn't be paid anything for such terrible play.

It's a damned if you do damned if you don't type thing. The great equalizer: good coaching & talent evaluation.

 

[Mr teX]

That was after his fiasco the previous season where he got tagged. Once he had that subpar year he changed his attitude. He knew he wouldn't get that kind of money elsewhere and wanted to hopefully play well enough this season to warrant the money he thought he deserved before the '09 season. If he did play well he would've wanted us to give him that high dollar contract during the season, otherwise I don't think he would have signed with us once he became a free agent unless we were the highest bidder.

This post makes no sense b/c what we know from players in all pro sports is that money talks & 90% of everything else is irrelevant. If the money was there, he would've been here. Did ATL go waaayy overboard? you could argue they did, but its paying off big time for them now.

 

[disaacks3]

I'm late to the thread, but you will be hung in effigy by the "fire kubiak or else" lynch mob in here. At this point, i just want him to be gone so this board can get back to normal & this whole thing can just end...i'm talking about the segregation of this board & the kubiak experiment in general.

This whole thing reminds me of the Dunta Robinson saga. People were foaming at the mouth to get rid of this guy & sure enough got their wish & they were estatic. Now, in the midst of putting the finishing touches on one of the worst defensive seasons in the history of the nfl where our secondary has been the main problem, i bet those same folks feel real dumb right now. They didn't think it would get this bad when we let him go...but it did.

Don't feel dumb in the least...and I watched him give up big plays last night as well. IMHO -The Secondary being worse isn't due to DR being gone, it's due to NO veterans and horrible coaching.

I am not a proponent of keeping Gary Kubiak. I don't mean to defend him, but the only way to get to the conclusion you have, is to ignore the good he has done here.

Even in this waste of a season, we are tops in Red Zone offense. We are tops in 3rd & short. We are tops in the run game. Even though AJ has sat out (more or less) 3 games, he's tops in the league. We have an opportunity to end the season 3-3 in the division, which is a big improvement over our divisional play over the last 4 years.

Again, he is not the head coach he should be after a lifetime in the league, part of a successful program in Denver, and five years at the helm here......

But he's not chopped liver.

I believe we've played our part in the education of Gary Kubiak.... I believe canning him is the best thing that can happen for him right now. Winning is everything, no excuses.

You're right, chopped liver can be GOOD for you...Kubiak isn't. Unless there's some weird stat of Day games, at sea level, played on grass preceding a full moon....Kubiak is a losing head coach in every measurable W-L column. The Texans can get (and deserve) better.

No...That was the organizations fault...

I do not believe that Dunta wanted to leave, just so he could leave...

He even said that he would not complain about the franchise tag the second time around...Here is a great post by Runner about Rick Smith:

I'd be "happy" with 11 million to NOT perform my job very well either. Anybody who though he was even "good" here last year needs to watch more tape.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

Did ATL go waaayy overboard? you could argue they did, but its paying off big time for them now.

6 pass deflections, no intercepts for the Falcons.

While I'm at it, here is an advanced stats site who ranks DBs, Robinson is way behind Quin and slightly behind Jackson in their ratings.

LINK

 

[scourge]

This post makes no sense b/c what we know from players in all pro sports is that money talks & 90% of everything else is irrelevant. If the money was there, he would've been here. Did ATL go waaayy overboard? you could argue they did, but its paying off big time for them now.

Had he played like a top 5 CB in '09 he would not have been fine with the 2nd franchise. He probably would've pulled a Revis. He was only fine with it because he hurt his value by being "meh." Like I said, he'd be paid that way far more for this season than he would've gotten anywhere else.

If he had been tagged and played like the All-Pro he thinks he is, he would've wanted us to give him a fat contract during the season. Otherwise, he knew full well that a player can't be franchised more than 2 years in a row. So he would hit the FA market whether the Texans liked it or not. The only way to retain him a that point would've been to throw him a contract bigger than any other team, and probably at least Top 3 $$$.

There's no guarantee he would've even signed a mid-season contract knowing he could possibly make even more in the off-season.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

6 pass deflections, no intercepts for the Falcons.

While I'm at it, here is an advanced stats site who ranks DBs, Robinson is way behind Quin and slightly behind Jackson in their ratings.

LINK

Allen is rated higher than Jackson too.

 

[Mr teX]

6 pass deflections, no intercepts for the Falcons.

While I'm at it, here is an advanced stats site who ranks DBs, Robinson is way behind Quin and slightly behind Jackson in their ratings.

LINK

Its funny when people try to use stats to say how good a CB is when the best don't even get thrown at enough to get any decent stats to begin with. Quinn is also way ahead of Revis & Asomugha....Do we really think he's anywhere near there level as a cb?

 

[Mr teX]

Had he played like a top 5 CB in '09 he would not have been fine with the 2nd franchise. He probably would've pulled a Revis. He was only fine with it because he hurt his value by being "meh." Like I said, he'd be paid that way far more for this season than he would've gotten anywhere else.

If he had been tagged and played like the All-Pro he thinks he is, he would've wanted us to give him a fat contract during the season. Otherwise, he knew full well that a player can't be franchised more than 2 years in a row. So he would hit the FA market whether the Texans liked it or not. The only way to retain him a that point would've been to throw him a contract bigger than any other team, and probably at least Top 3 $$$.

There's no guarantee he would've even signed a mid-season contract knowing he could possibly make even more in the off-season.

All speculation & opinion on your part.

 

[gary]

Robinson is not the same player he was in 2007. His attiude sucked the two years after this had to happen and I am happy that it did.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

I hope the Texans win the finale against the Jags despite the coaches to finish on a positive note

McNair can't justify keeping Kubiak whether its 6-10 or 5-11

But that's the difference between getting a pick in the top seven and getting pick number 12-14.

 

[Norg]

I had a dream last night that i was watching ABC13 news and they said RIck smith a Kubes had been fired Funny LOL

 

[scourge]

All speculation & opinion on your part.

Speculation that we couldn't tag him a 3rd time? Speculation that he would test the free agent market in '11 knowing that we couldn't tag him that 3rd time? Do you seriously think he would've settled for less than Top 3 if he had played well for us this season? Have you paid attention at all to how things have went down with him since the '09 off season?

Again, had he played anything close to what Gamble did in the '09 season he would not have been happy with a 2nd franchise tag knowing an injury or subpar '10 season would hurt his wallet. Especially knowing we wouldn't be able to do it again in '11, which we wouldn't had he sucked.

It's all speculation and your opinion that he really did want to stay here and was telling the media the truth about wanting to stay in Houston. Example: I could demand a contract extension and raise/bonus at work, only to be told they are just going to keep me under contract another year at a higher price. Afterwards there is no guarantee they have to keep me. If during that next year I under perform I'd be then telling my bosses, co-workers, and clients/customers that I love my job and want to stay another year. That doesn't necessarily mean it's true. It could mean that I know my lack of performance hurt my chances of getting paid more elsewhere and I don't want to cause problems for myself while still employed at that company. Then, if I out perform my contract and don't have it brought up to what I deserve before it expires I could look for a company that will.

It's not simply "I want to stay in Houston." It's "I want to stay in Houston if they pay me far more than what my abilities had shown I was worth coming off of a serious injury."

DR and AJ were my favorite players here. It wasn't until he demanded money that he wasn't worth after the '08 season and acted like a child with his silly "Pay me Rick" bs that I was fine with him leaving. If the rumors were true that he had actually offered him a contract similar to, or greater than, Gamble's and he turned it down that should tell you how he much really wanted to stay.

He's nowhere near a Top 5 cb.

"This was the main reason I came here - to win," Robinson said this week. "To have 12 wins in 14 games, that's a major deal. That's what you sign up for. I have no complaints with anything that's going on."

"When I left (Houston), I was on my third coordinator and second coach in the secondary, but there's an understanding in this building," he said. "It's not one or two people that have to deliver. Collectively as a group, everybody in this building, if you're going to contribute, you've got to step on the field and deliver. Guys here understand what they're supposed to do."

That sounds like a guy who really liked it here. Was he wrong in that second paragraph? No, not at all.

Was he being serious that this(winning) was the main reason he went to Atlanta, and not because they gave him at the time the 2nd highest contract for a CB in NFL history? I doubt it.
If Detroit had offered that contract with Atlanta offering something closer to 4th or 5th highest would he have still signed with Atlanta? I doubt it.
Had ATL offered him that contract and we offerend the 3rd highest in history would he have stayed here because he likes it so much? I doubt it.
But like you said, it's just my opinion.

 

[BetaV1]

To answer the topic creator's question: no, I would not like to see Gary remain as the Texans' head coach.

However, the next best alternative would be to have Kubes remain and have him or Smith bring in a trust defensive coordinator. While some statements of Kubiak becoming the next Bill Belichick are a bit far fetched, there is historical evidence that such a move can be the right now:

Sean Payton.

The head coach of the current defending World Champion New Orleans Saints. For his entire tenure as a Saints headcoach, the Saints have had the definition of elite offense in the NFL, always claiming a spot in the top 5 offenses (usually #1). Brees, Colston, Shockey/Graham, Reggie Bush/Pierre Thomas, Lance Moore, etc. The list of depth on the offensive side of the ball is borderline unfair to the rest of the NFL.

Yet a lot of people have quickly forgotten how Sean Payton stumbled after his debut season. The Saints went 10-6 after Hurricane Katrina and got to the NFC Championship game, but the team didn't jump to the Superbowl to beat the Colts the very next week. Immediately following that historic 2006 season, the Saints finished a disappointing 7-9. The after that let-down season, the Saints laid another egg despite the hype of a return to championship caliber football by finishing a mediocre 8-8.

After three seasons, Sean Payton had a record of 25-23, thus giving Sean Payton a winning percentage of .520. How very Gary Kubiak of him.

So what caused the dramatic turn around from mediocre to world champion?

Gregg Williams.

A former head coach in his own right and a defensive coordinator for a handful of teams. Successful defenses follow this man no matter where he goes.

The national media slowly began to pick up on Sean Payton's average performance before the start of last season, but the local media down here in New Orleans already made it no secret that Sean Payton was quickly approaching the hot seat. This is a man who had a future hall of fame quarterback in Drew Brees, who had fielded one of the best offenses of the current decade, and could only produce "meh." The NFL championship window is much narrower now than what it was even just ten years ago, and if Sean Payton didn't it together, his ship would sail without him.

For his first three seasons, Sean Payton had appointed his very good friend Gary Gibbs as the team's defensive coordinator. The result was a catastrophe. The Saints were basically dead last in nearly every category and produced one of the worst defenses in recent NFL history, and that in itself is no exaggeration. Want proof of this? Sure.

It took Drew Brees to become only the second quarterback in NFL history to throw for over 5,000 yards to get the Saints to an 8-8 record.

That's how bad that defense was.

Sean Payton wised up and made the change. He fired his friend. Sean and Co. go out with the mindset of no more favors to friends and nab Gregg Williams. You all know the rest by now.

Coaching in the NFL is not so simple as the head coach. Football is the ultimate team sport and this applies to both the players and personal; it's why you have coordinators and assistant coaches. Sean Payton will be the first to tell you he has no idea how to field a defense; Gary Kubiak will likely be no different. The key is to make the right decision as to who you pick to shore up your gray area. Sean Payton made the wrong decision, made the attempt to correct it, and was successful. Gary Kubiak could be that one correction away from a Lombardi in Reliant, and that's not an exaggeration.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

Nah. Bad example with Sean Payton and the Saints, IMO. They made the playoffs his first year, and were not making the same dumb mistakes that the Kubiak led Texans have made. For example, Payton did not have four straight seasons of going 5-7 after 12 games. Payton proved he can be a winning coach his first year. Kubiak hasn't in five. Time for Kubes to go.

 

[BetaV1]

Nah. Bad example with Sean Payton and the Saints, IMO. They made the playoffs his first year, and were not making the same dumb mistakes that the Kubiak led Texans have made. For example, Payton did not have four straight seasons of going 5-7 after 12 games. Payton proved he can be a winning coach his first year. Kubiak hasn't in five. Time for Kubes to go.

Not to give downplay Payton's accomplishment in his first year, but you really ought not to question what a man can do with a heavy heart. The Saints were playing the 2006 season for a lot more than just wins and losses that year. Emotion drove that team more than anyone or anything else. The magic wore off quickly when the next year began.

Off-topic: I notice me and you butt heads quite a bit. Always makes for good debate.

 

[Double Barrel]

After three seasons, Sean Payton had a record of 25-23, thus giving Sean Payton a winning percentage of .520. How very Gary Kubiak of him.

I had to take exception to this one sentence. Kubiak has never been over .500 as a head coach. However, he did make it to .500 for a week earlier this season.

 

[gary]

Let's stop with the what if posts in these threads. Gary should be a lame duck already.

 

[infantrycak]

Nah. Bad example with Sean Payton and the Saints, IMO. They made the playoffs his first year, and were not making the same dumb mistakes that the Kubiak led Texans have made. For example, Payton did not have four straight seasons of going 5-7 after 12 games. Payton proved he can be a winning coach his first year. Kubiak hasn't in five. Time for Kubes to go.

Well that sells the comparison short. Yeah Payton had more immediate success with his one winning season (with one more game won) but then the team was regressing two years in a row. And I think it is funny that everything in the world is Kubiak's fault but the Saints regress to 8-8 and 7-9 and there were no dumb coaching mistakes.

 

[gary]

The blame falls on the team as a whole but in the end the coaching staff gets fired. That's just the way it goes.

 

[thunderkyss]

The only stat I care for, and really have always cared for, is wins. We
don't win against the division. We don't win against the conference.
We don't win against playoff-bound teams. Glossy stats combined
with losses mean jack squat to me. Crappy stats combined with wins,
and Kubiak could get a lifetime contract from me.

Kubiak staying here will only ruin the team, and by extension, Kubiak.
A parting of the ways is in order here. I wish him farewell. At least
he got a 2 million dollar house on San Felipe out of the deal.

The post you quoted had absolutely nothing to do with whatever it is you cared for.

You don't want Kubiak here, you've been pretty clear about that.

My post was in reply to a "Kubiak hasn't done crap" post.

Which isn't true, regardless what you use as milestones.