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Does Anybody still BELIEVE in Case Keenum?

Do you s still believe Case Keenum can be a SUCCESSFUL NFL QB?

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revan said:
Oh my gawd!!! What is your problem?! We are talking about a third string QB who didn't win a dam game and you go on a rampage giving negative rep and putting a comment to make sure I come back and see your reply?!. Dude get over yourself, the Texans are not going to build around Keenum to give him the perfect offense he needs to "succeed" and be "given a chance". And yeah I was a fan of Schaub, because he was part of the team, what am I supposed to do watch a Texans game and be in a pissed off mood the whole time because Schaub is at QB and not someone else??!!. The only difference between me and you is that I put away my #8 jersey and I'm ready for a change, you are still clinging to Keenum.
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thanks for admitting who you are.

what are yo suppose to do? cheer on the texans but not defend to the death a player who is obviously stinking it up despite having loaded rosters.

That makes you a homer and a delusional fan = bad fan.

To use that same critique of schaub on keenum is truly downright dirty and dishonest. And nowhere in my support for keenum did you see me say we should build around keenum or any of the nonsense you spouted daily on the texans main message board defending schaub as if you got paid by him to defend his honor online.

I want the texans to draft a QB because im not delusional enough to think keenum is the answer but at least im honest enough to look at the entire picture and see that he came into a bad situation with injured players on both sides of the ball and a bad head coach along with bad oline play.

Do I believe keenum can be successful in the nfl?

yes.

Am I 100% sure?

No.

I want Obrien to see what he can do with keenum. I want them to draft a qb with the first pick. Let them battle it out in the offseason, training camp etc.. and whoever wins, wins. I didnt go to UofH. I dont have a vested interest in keenum. I just want to make sure the kid gets a proper chance to prove himself. Him jumping yates and being thrust into the strating lineup in a lost sorry season where the texans ended up as the worst team in the nfl is not a proper chance.
 
Keenum can be a successful QB in the NFL if he lands on
a team that runs a more modern "spread them out" type of
offense.

He's never going to be a pure 2 tights, 2 wides, pocket passer.
He's not cut out for that.

He's a better fit for the type of systems that NO, GB and NE run
than he is for a traditional West Coast (which I think is now
arcane and obsolete)

I would not be surprised to see Case end up serving as a
backup for Seattle either..

Either way, anyone that thinks he can't pick up a blitz is a
complete imbecille.

The guy ran a college offense that required reads (pre and post snap)
and he was blitzed by every single team that he played against.
(sometimes for entire games!)

You do not accumulate the kind of numbers he did without being
able to read a defense and beat the blitz.

He was just a bad fit for the offense this team ran last year..
But, then again, so were Schaub and Yates...

West Coast the way Gary and Shanny ran it is a relic. And that
is why both of them are currently unemployed..
 
speedfreek said:
Keenum can be a successful QB in the NFL if he lands on
a team that runs a more modern "spread them out" type of
offense.

He's never going to be a pure 2 tights, 2 wides, pocket passer.
He's not cut out for that.

He's a better fit for the type of systems that NO, GB and NE run
than he is for a traditional West Coast (which I think is now
arcane and obsolete)

I would not be surprised to see Case end up serving as a
backup for Seattle either..

Either way, anyone that thinks he can't pick up a blitz is a
complete imbecille.

The guy ran a college offense that required reads (pre and post snap)
and he was blitzed by every single team that he played against.
(sometimes for entire games!)

You do not accumulate the kind of numbers he did without being
able to read a defense and beat the blitz.

He was just a bad fit for the offense this team ran last year..
But, then again, so were Schaub and Yates...

West Coast the way Gary and Shanny ran it is a relic. And that
is why both of them are currently unemployed..
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1. Case isn't a fit in the WCO, but Seattle who runs a WCO should sign him?

2. If he'd be better off in a NE like offense, wouldn't hiring B'OB be a good thing for the texans?

3. That's great that he beat all those blitzes in college, didn't see much evidence of his ability to do it in the NFL though.
 
sometexansfan said:
2. If he'd be better off in a NE like offense, wouldn't hiring B'OB be a good thing for the texans?
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I'm betting McNair learned his lesson from the Carr extension. He didn't demand that O'Brien make Keenum work, just to give him an opportunity to compete.
 
Yaky said:
You believe a QB can beat the blitz all by himself? Where were the hot routes when everyone knew the blitz was coming?
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I don't know what the Texans plays are, so I couldn't tell you. All I know is I saw a guy who would constantly run backwards and take 20 yard sacks.
 
Lord Bills said:
thanks for admitting who you are.

what are yo suppose to do? cheer on the texans but not defend to the death a player who is obviously stinking it up despite having loaded rosters.

That makes you a homer and a delusional fan = bad fan.

To use that same critique of schaub on keenum is truly downright dirty and dishonest. And nowhere in my support for keenum did you see me say we should build around keenum or any of the nonsense you spouted daily on the texans main message board defending schaub as if you got paid by him to defend his honor online.

I want the texans to draft a QB because im not delusional enough to think keenum is the answer but at least im honest enough to look at the entire picture and see that he came into a bad situation with injured players on both sides of the ball and a bad head coach along with bad oline play.

Do I believe keenum can be successful in the nfl?

yes.

Am I 100% sure?

No.

I want Obrien to see what he can do with keenum. I want them to draft a qb with the first pick. Let them battle it out in the offseason, training camp etc.. and whoever wins, wins. I didnt go to UofH. I dont have a vested interest in keenum. I just want to make sure the kid gets a proper chance to prove himself. Him jumping yates and being thrust into the strating lineup in a lost sorry season where the texans ended up as the worst team in the nfl is not a proper chance.
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That's twice now you mention my activity on the other board. Thanks for trolling me. I like this board better so I'll be here more, seems like you got some stuff to say to me about my old posts on Schaub so go ahead let's beat an old dead horse if you want. Plain and simple we don't agree on Keenum.......anymore. Let it be and stop taking comments about other people so personal.
 
Hervoyel said:
I'm unsure but I think it's unlikely and more important than that I think that the window for learning whether he could ever be that guy is closed. Did he get a fair shot? Probably not but in the NFL almost no one ever gets to walk into a perfectly optimal situation. Everyone else makes do with the chance they've been given.

Nobody has time to wait for Case to develop some more. If he isn't just outright released and makes it into OTA's he'd better impress the hell out of BOB. If he does that then he'd better learn that offense inside and out before again impressing him in camp and preseason. Even then it will all more than likely be for nothing because BOB's going to bring in a starter either through the draft or free agency (and maybe both).

There should be a fourth option in the poll. "It doesn't really matter anymore".
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Will you feel the same way about our #1 overall QB if he struggles in 2014 with what ought to be an infinitely better situation than what Keenum was working with in 2013? Or do expensive hype machines get more time to develop?
 
burro said:
Will you feel the same way about our #1 overall QB if he struggles in 2014 with what ought to be an infinitely better situation than what Keenum was working with in 2013? Or do expensive hype machines get more time to develop?
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Will the "expensive hype machine" get a year on a playoff team to sit and learn the system before being asked half way through the next year to produce?
 
Number19 said:
Has he proven it to O'Brian, or do you think O'Brian should just read the forums and make his coaching decisions from the posts?
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O'Brien, not O'Brian. LOL. I did the same at first.

Yeah, O'Brien will make up his own mind. Maybe Case makes it, maybe he doesn't. I just want to see a Houston team in the super bowl before I die.
 
Thorn said:
O'Brien, not O'Brian. LOL. I did the same at first.

Yeah, O'Brien will make up his own mind. Maybe Case makes it, maybe he doesn't. I just want to see a Houston team in the super bowl before I die.
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Dang, I think I've been spelling it wrong for weeks. It's going to take a conscience thought to get it right.
 
burro said:
Will you feel the same way about our #1 overall QB if he struggles in 2014 with what ought to be an infinitely better situation than what Keenum was working with in 2013? Or do expensive hype machines get more time to develop?
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This...

PapaL said:
Will the "expensive hype machine" get a year on a playoff team to sit and learn the system before being asked half way through the next year to produce?
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I like Case. I wanted him to succeed. He did not. In fact he got worse as the year went on. If it was up to me I'd keep him around to see if he improves but it isn't. It's up to BOB and BOB is going to probably do what most incoming HC's would do in his situation. He's going to draft a highly touted prospect and try to win with him.

As much as I like Case I can't fault BOB for what he's most likely going to do. Case got a better audition than most UDFA QB's could ever imagine. Now we move on.
 
Peyton Manning went 3-13 in his first season starting should the Colts have bailed on him?\

Let's face reality here. Case was not placed in and "ideal" or even realistic situation to succeed. The O'line was crap the coaching staff called crap plays while he was in there. And before you say conspiricy theory, You don't call 5-7 step drops, long developing plays, and you don't stop using any hotreads when you know the team is blitzing constantly. Which is exactly what happened to Case this season.

Now am I saying he will be the next Joe Montana or Tom Brady NO, I'm not even saying he will be the next Trent Dilfer or Frank Reich. What I am saying is that he was not given a realistic chance to succeed. Take it as you will.
 
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Oz Texan said:
Peyton Manning went 3-13 in his first season starting should the Colts have bailed on him?\

Let's face reality here. Case was not placed in and "ideal" or even realistic situation to succeed. The O'line was crap the coaching staff called crap plays while he was in there. And before you say conspiricy theory, You don't call 5-7 step drops, long developing plays, and you don't stop using any hotreads when you know the team is blitzing constantly. Which is exactly what happened to Case this season.

Now am I saying he will be the next Joe Montana or Tom Brady NO, I'm not even saying he will be the next Trent Dilfer or Frank Reich. What I am saying is that he was not given a realistic chance to succeed. Take it as you will.
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It is the QB's responsibility to make those adjustments at the line. Keenum could not recognize those situations.


Before you go off on a tangent about no audibles - those adjustments are built in - He had the ability to make those adjustments and just didn't do it.
Take a look at the same late season crap offense with Schaub under center , for the most part he recognized those situations and got into the proper protection schemes with the proper hot routes. Keenum Did Not.
 
Hervoyel said:
BOB is going to probably do what most incoming HC's would do in his situation. He's going to draft a highly touted prospect and try to win with him.
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I think this is a very realistic view. Keenum is a project. Like it or not he is Kubiak's project. I don't think BOB is going to invest into someone else's project. In my opinion, he'll draft his own guy to invest in.

It's impossible to guess who they'll draft, but there are definitely some dotted lines between BOB and the Bortles kid.

This is going to be a very interesting off season.
 
I origianlly put this in another thread. Thought it made more sense here.

Corrosion said:
Teams are going to blitz & create pressure with overloads on a regular basis in the NFL .... getting the ball out rapidly & on target are key in beating those situations.
This was one of the reasons Keenum failed so miserably .... failure to get the ball out quickly , along with defenses catching on to how to stop him - pressure.
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This was also supposed to be one of his strong suits. & playing from the spread, you'd think he was pretty good at making quick decisions. They simply didn't materialize in live NFL situations.

However, something else had to have been going on. Keenum was in a lot of situations he should have known he blitz was coming, or situations he should have known to get rid of the ball quickly. Like those sacks in the end zone... QB 101 tells you not to hold onto the ball when you're in the end zone. Throw it away if your play isn't there. But time & time again he made bad decisions. Decisions that the lack of a running game, or a TE, or a competent RT does not exonerate.

If we drafted Cam Newton with the #1 overall selection out of Brigham Young & he was sacked/stripped in the end zone twice in an 8 week period, continues to scramble backwards taking us out of field goal range, fail to understand the other team is going to blitz on 3rd down... I'm not making excuses for him.
 
Rockville said:
It's impossible to guess who they'll draft, but there are definitely some dotted lines between BOB and the Bortles kid.

This is going to be a very interesting off season.
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There were several dots between Matt Lienart & Pete Carrol when Carrol was in need of a QB.
 
Rockville said:
I think this is a very realistic view. Keenum is a project. Like it or not he is Kubiak's project. I don't think BOB is going to invest into someone else's project. In my opinion, he'll draft his own guy to invest in.

It's impossible to guess who they'll draft, but there are definitely some dotted lines between BOB and the Bortles kid.

This is going to be a very interesting off season.
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Keenum wasn't a project , he was more of a last resort ..... Schaub wasn't getting it done , Yates hadn't improved .... Keenum was a relative unknown and had some redeeming qualities .... It was likely the only chance to save his job ....
 
Was it him that defenses figured out or was it our predictable checkdown offense? I'm still wondering if it would of mattered who QB'ed this offense. Case fits what O'brian is looking for in a QB. I'm looking forward to seeing how that all turns out.

I'm not willing to gamble on it. I'm getting a QB but I think there is a chance his career could be salvaged. I'm not 100 % giving up on him.
 
Corrosion said:
It is the QB's responsibility to make those adjustments at the line. Keenum could not recognize those situations.


Before you go off on a tangent about no audibles - those adjustments are built in - He had the ability to make those adjustments and just didn't do it.
Take a look at the same late season crap offense with Schaub under center , for the most part he recognized those situations and got into the proper protection schemes with the proper hot routes. Keenum Did Not.
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how can it be an adjustment/audible if its built in?

it pretty much defeats the purpose of an audible.

What's worse is after that seahawks game, kubiak's answers were completely wishy washy.

He says once we have selected a play its the play we go into but he says like you said there are audibles built in probably trying to soothe fears or trying not to look bad considering its 2013 in the nfl and he doesnt let his quarterbacks audibles and if they do (allegedly) there's restrictions on it.
 
Lord Bills said:
how can it be an adjustment/audible if its built in?

it pretty much defeats the purpose of an audible.

What's worse is after that seahawks game, kubiak's answers were completely wishy washy.

He says once we have selected a play its the play we go into but he says like you said there are audibles built in probably trying to soothe fears or trying not to look bad considering its 2013 in the nfl and he doesnt let his quarterbacks audibles and if they do (allegedly) there's restrictions on it.
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Meaning that there is a built in audible if Keenum gets a certain look from the defense. Problem is that Case can't correctly identify what's he is seeing, thus negating his ability to make the correct changes.

I'm not going to sit here and say that Kubiak gives his QBs complete authority at the line of scrimmage, but there's no doubt in my mind that during the week the offense comes up with certain hots or adjustments based on a specific look they expect to get during the game.
 
Lord Bills said:
how can it be an adjustment/audible if its built in?

it pretty much defeats the purpose of an audible.
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This is simple:

They line up with a specific play , the defense shows a look that is likely to counter the original play. The QB makes the proper adjustments to that play to make it successful against the defense he see's. There may be a dozen variations within that same play , depending upon what the defense shows.

That's the definition of an audible , making adjustments .... the fact that the adjustments are scripted matters not , what matters is that the correct adjustments are made.


You don't necessarily have to change the entire play to make it a successful one .....

Lets say we have a deep route combination with a 7 step drop called and the QB reads an overload of pressure from one side or the other - you simply adjust the deep route to a short route and the 7 step to a 3 step to counter the pressure overload and make a positive play - pending execution.

We don't really see these adjustments being made as we don't have a clue what play was called before they left the huddle but rest assured , the adjustments are at the QB's disposal - Its up to him to make them.

We've had this conversation before , some just don't seem to grasp the concept. They just hear that "we don't audible." That doesn't mean "we don't make adjustments."


What's worse is after that seahawks game, kubiak's answers were completely wishy washy.

He says once we have selected a play its the play we go into but he says like you said there are audibles built in probably trying to soothe fears or trying not to look bad considering its 2013 in the nfl and he doesnt let his quarterbacks audibles and if they do (allegedly) there's restrictions on it.
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Kubiak was falling on the knife for his QB .... he took the heat for their ineptitude.
 
say what you want about keenum and all the coaching instabilities, offensive line woes, and the rest of the team failures mixed in with case's blitzing vision, the new draft of qb's including manziel isn't an upgrade imo.

next years draft is a diff story though. I believe case could work if he starts with a new scheme that fits his ability.
 
legacy_gt said:
say what you want about keenum and all the coaching instabilities, offensive line woes, and the rest of the team failures mixed in with case's blitzing vision, the new draft of qb's including manziel isn't an upgrade imo.

next years draft is a diff story though.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
 
Lord Bills said:
Does anybody still think he can be a successful NFL qb? Or did his play and inability to win a game for a 2-14 team enough evidence to know that that he is no good? Or do you think he still has a chance to be successful with a proper head coach and a proper team?

My personal opinion is that Keenum was placed in a bad situation with a lame duck coach, with a flawed offensive philosophy, and a bad team saddled with injuries on both sides of the ball.

I want to see what he can do with a full off season and a new coaching staff.
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He's done. Sorry to say :clap:
 
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