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Demaryius Thomas is MAD!

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Super Sic #58
Is his beef legit or is he being a prima donna?

Demaryius Thomas had a lot more to say about his former team than a one-off comment after Sunday's win.

The new Houston Texans receiver went on Orange & Blue radio, 760 AM in Denver, on Monday to expound on his feelings of being traded from the Broncos.

Thomas repeatedly said management, from coach Vance Joseph to GM John Elway, gave him the run-around on the trade rumors this season.


"It was so tough," Thomas said of the trade, via 9News.com. "Even leading up to the Kansas City game (Oct. 28) it was tough, because that one day, I didn't say anything to anybody. I walk into the job and Vance Joseph walks up to me and says, 'Don't listen to the trade talks, it's not true.'

"Before the season started, the trade talk was still going, and nobody said anything to me. Why come to me Monday when it's the same talk? When he said that to me, I said, 'How is it not true? My agent (Todd France) called me today and said Elway wanted a fifth-round pick for me.'"

Thomas seemed peeved that the Broncos wouldn't be open and honest about where they saw his future with the organization.

"So, we're telling stories to each other now? I thought we were going to be men about this. Leading up to the Kansas City game, that's when this all started -- the emotional everything, because I knew it was something. I knew something was going to happen, but I still had to grind it out, play their game and get through it, because I didn't know.

"I played the game like I was going to be here, but I didn't know. Listening to that from him, and then another couple coaches coming up to me and saying, 'Oh yeah, it's all fake.' Then it really happens, it's like, 'Man, it is what it is.'"

One reason the Broncos traded Thomas was to open snaps for younger players, like rookie Courtland Sutton. Thomas took issue with other rumors he's heard about the reason for being shipped out from the organization he'd known for nine seasons.

"You know what bothers me -- I don't want to stir any pot -- but it bothers me ... I had people from Denver saying like, 'They really said they got rid of you because you were the problem on offense and they said they wanted to better the offense,'" Thomas said. "I'm like, 'Really, bro?' People just kept stirring it on.

"I heard they were saying that Vance was saying something, and Elway was saying something. I did so much for this organization and never had nothing bad to say about anybody -- none of the players I played with. I just did my job and kept it as professional as I could. For you all to say that I was one of the reasons that the offense wasn't going, and say this and that, man, that hurt."

Thomas added that he took offense to being asked to give up snaps to rookie DaeSean Hamilton.

"My receiver coach came to me and said -- he could've said this to either Courtland (Sutton) or Emmanuel (Sanders), but he came to me and said it -- he said, 'I want to get DaeSean in the game more than one rep. I want to get him going 4 to 6 plays of reps.'

"I'm like, 'Bro, I've been here nine years and you ask me besides anybody else?' I'm like, 'That's so disrespectful to me, because I've put so much into this game, but you want me to come out for a rookie.'

"I don't have anything against it, because he's a great player, I love DaeSean Hamilton to death. When I knew it was that, I was like, 'I'm out here just to be out here.' It was tough."

Thomas concluded by thanking the organization and all of Broncos Country for supporting him during his time in Denver. The 30-year-old, however, obviously still needs time for the wounds to heal.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000985228/article/texans-wr-demaryius-thomas-rips-broncos-brass
 
JB said:
I think his beef is legit. Why keep yanking his chain like that? Be a professional and man up. Either don't say anything or be truthful
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Remember when O'Brien did that to Andre Johnson? Some guys here were saying Dre was wrong for wanting to be more involved, and that he had declined etc.. Im not sure I feel much empathy for Thomas, I get it he got his feelings hurt, but its time to put on your big boy pants and move forward.
 
I think it’s somewhere in between. Yeah why keep yanking his chain. Own it. Trading him impacts his life significantly. At the same time... his “but im the vet and he’s the rookie so ask someone else to give up playing time”... was whiny.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Remember when O'Brien did that to Andre Johnson? Some guys here were saying Dre was wrong for wanting to be more involved, and that he had declined etc.. Im not sure I feel much empathy for Thomas, I get it he got his feelings hurt, but its time to put on your big boy pants and move forward.
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BOB was honest with AJ.

He told AJ he would probably only catch around 40 balls.

AJ didn't like it and moved to Indy where he caught 40 balls.

This is a totally different situation with DT and the Broncos.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Remember when O'Brien did that to Andre Johnson? Some guys here were saying Dre was wrong for wanting to be more involved, and that he had declined etc.. Im not sure I feel much empathy for Thomas, I get it he got his feelings hurt, but its time to put on your big boy pants and move forward.
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I don't think OB ever walked up to AJ out of the blue and told him he would not be traded. And didn't AJ leave as a free agent? He wasn't traded mid-season was he?
 
beerlover said:
Is what it is, here's hoping DT plays rest of season with chip on his shoulder so Texans extend his contract one more year. I approve this post :uprights:
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His contract already goes one more year, but it's cost-prohibitive. It'll be re-done by the Texans or someone else.
 
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steelbtexan said:
BOB was honest with AJ.

He told AJ he would probably only catch around 40 balls.

AJ didn't like it and moved to Indy where he caught 40 balls.

This is a totally different situation with DT and the Broncos.
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So explain to me the difference in saying "DT I need to give the rook some more time, I need to reduce your role" VS "Andre I need to reduce your role, you will only catch around 40 balls in this offense"

Promises, shmomises .. who knows what Dre was told behind closed doors other than that. Dre never went public with any grievance simply said "trade me or release me" and the team granted his wish. What he did away from here is incidental because year 10 Andre Johnson is so ridiculously much better than year 10 Demaryious Thomas it doesnt really matter what DT is able to do here, hopefully he stays onsides and continues an upward trajection, well as much as a guy who is declining in year 10 can at least.
 
give us 6 catches for 120 yards per game and he will get new deal with reworked 2019 and some bunches of guaranteed money. As with AJ, D Brown and Clowney, earn it and it will be given here on earth as it is in -- uh almost got carried away.
 
Uncle Rico said:
So explain to me the difference in saying "DT I need to give the rook some more time, I need to reduce your role" VS "Andre I need to reduce your role, you will only catch around 40 balls in this offense"

Promises, shmomises .. who knows what Dre was told behind closed doors other than that. Dre never went public with any grievance simply said "trade me or release me" and the team granted his wish. What he did away from here is incidental because year 10 Andre Johnson is so ridiculously much better than year 10 Demaryious Thomas it doesnt really matter what DT is able to do here, hopefully he stays onsides and continues an upward trajection, well as much as a guy who is declining in year 10 can at least.
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Because BOB told AJ in the offseason and out of deference cut AJ to allow AJ to catch on with the Colts. That's not what happened with DT/VJ/Elway and the Broncos.
 
steelbtexan said:
Because BOB told AJ in the offseason and out of deference cut AJ to allow AJ to catch on with the Colts. That's not what happened with DT/VJ/Elway and the Broncos.
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At least in DT's perspective, will you be surprised if the team comes out and says the opposite?
 
Uncle Rico said:
At least in DT's perspective, will you be surprised if the team comes out and says the opposite?
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Why would DT come out against the team that one day he will be in their ring of honor if what he was saying wasn't true?
 
PapaL said:
I think DT knew Broncos FO and Coaches were being shaddy and he's calling them out on it. The shine on Elway is dulling rather quickly.
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absolutely the writing was on the wall way before any backhand promises were made. DT wasnt producing for that team, and the young guys were breathing down his neck. I just cringe a little bit on how DT is handling the exit he's coming across mega butt hurt and almost like he wishes he was still there and telling them what they should have been doing, and what they should do moving forward. Just wierd. I get the human aspect of it, hopefully venting helps him heal.
 
steelbtexan said:
Why would DT come out against the team that one day he will be in their ring of honor if what he was saying wasn't true?
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they honored him on Sunday LOL ... why didnt he just bash their ass when the trade went down, why wait til after? Oh yea dont wanna be a distraction, good teammate etc.. yeah?
 
Not a fan of him complaining about rookies getting more reps at his expense. Texans need him to be a mentor to the young WR room. I don’t expect Vyncint Smith to threaten his snaps so hope he is better as a leader. But I do hope he is a good teammate and recognizes that Coutee will be on the field at his expense if the situation dictates it.
 
DT was asked a question and he answered it honestly. I don't see the big deal. It's a business on both sides, so get it out and move on with life.

I like that he's got attitude and sounds like the chip on his shoulder will be advantageous for the Texans. At least with Houston, he knows the pecking order and he's clearly no. 2.
 
Uncle Rico said:
they honored him on Sunday LOL ... why didnt he just bash their ass when the trade went down, why wait til after? Oh yea dont wanna be a distraction, good teammate etc.. yeah?
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I just assumed he didn't want it as bulletin board material, etc the week of a game with them.

IMHO - I didn't really feel the butt-hurt aspect of it, as much as stating the obvious...that there were other guys they could take reps from, rather than him. It came across more as "setting him up to fail", and then trading him.

As for the "lying to him about it" aspect? Sure. Easy answer to give him is "we're looking at all possibilities to make our team better. If we think we can get appropriate value for someone to strengthen our team down the road, we'll consider it." Instead he got bald-faced lied to AFTER Elway started shopping him...by multiple coaches.

I'm not particularly moved by it either way. Teams lie about these things all the time. Players get upset all the time. I see no lingering ill-effects for the Texans.
 
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Uncle Rico said:
So explain to me the difference in saying "DT I need to give the rook some more time, I need to reduce your role" VS "Andre I need to reduce your role, you will only catch around 40 balls in this offense"

Promises, shmomises .. who knows what Dre was told behind closed doors other than that. Dre never went public with any grievance simply said "trade me or release me" and the team granted his wish. What he did away from here is incidental because year 10 Andre Johnson is so ridiculously much better than year 10 Demaryious Thomas it doesnt really matter what DT is able to do here, hopefully he stays onsides and continues an upward trajection, well as much as a guy who is declining in year 10 can at least.
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Andre was told before the season began and could shop himself wherever he wanted. Demaryious was traded midseason after being told he wasnt being traded.

The Texans and Pats were bidding for him. Which team would he have chosen if he was a FA?

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76Texan said:
I don't think VJ cut it as a HC to begin with.
The only way he can run that team is with Elway and Kubiak shouldering the burden.
He's like a Yes Man of sort, in my observation.
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I think he may have been eventually, but I certainly didn't feel he was ready. Yes he was showing really well as a DB's coach, but only had 1 year at coordinator before jumping up to HC. Similar to Vrabel and O'Brien, he didn't have the right experience required for the job IMO.
 
DocBar said:
I dislike the public nature of the response. Say what you have to say face to face. That's being a man and tending your business.
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So you would rather have him answer 'no comment'?
 
disaacks3 said:
I just assumed he didn't want it as bulletin board material, etc the week of a game with them.

IMHO - I didn't really feel the butt-hurt aspect of it, as much as stating the obvious...that there were other guys they could take reps from, rather than him. It came across more as "setting him up to fail", and then trading him.

As for the "lying to him about it" aspect? Sure. Easy answer to give him is "we're looking at all possibilities to make our team better. If we think we can get appropriate value for someone to strengthen our team down the road, we'll consider it." Instead he got bald-faced lied to AFTER Elway started shopping him...by multiple coaches.

I'm not particularly moved by it either way. Teams lie about these things all the time. Players get upset all the time. I see no lingering ill-effects for the Texans.
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Indeed teams lie like a bearskin rug. Thomas got treated the same way we treated Dunta Robinson before we franchised him.
 
Seegara said:
Indeed teams lie like a bearskin rug. Thomas got treated the same way we treated Dunta Robinson before we franchised him.
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Wait... we told DR that we weren't gonna trade him, but told his agent we were looking for a mid-round pick for him and then didn't so we franchised him?
 
badboy said:
give us 6 catches for 120 yards per game and he will get new deal with reworked 2019 and some bunches of guaranteed money. As with AJ, D Brown and Clowney, earn it and it will be given here on earth as it is in -- uh almost got carried away.
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That's 96 catches for 1,920 (20yd avg/catch) per season.
That's first ballot hall of fame numbers.
That's just a tiny bit way way way over the top, expectation wise.
 
JB said:
If only the media would let it go at that
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Yep. They were going to keep poking this bear until it growled a little.

The simple fact of the matter is DT is a human-being and this is about basic respect for a franchise player. He probably had higher expectations of John Elway. Heat of the moment and all that jazz, I don't see anything but a molehill here. Something that will be quickly forgotten. He'll be honored in Denver one day and his name on their ring of honor.
 
Demaryius is still only 30, when Texans shopped Andre and could find no takers he was turning 34. Mention this as there are some similarities, bottom line its a business of what have you done for me lately.
 
beerlover said:
Demaryius is still only 30, when Texans shopped Andre and could find no takers he was turning 34. Mention this as there are some similarities, bottom line its a business of what have you done for me lately.
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If only we were so lucky to have a year 10 Andre Johnson in a year 10 Demaryious Thomas, but if they were really contemporaries and close in skill and production then DT doesnt leave DEN .. fact is he wasnt producing up there. I hope he can at least be a net positive down here. We shall see.
 
Uncle Rico said:
If only we were so lucky to have a year 10 Andre Johnson in a year 10 Demaryious Thomas, but if they were really contemporaries and close in skill and production then DT doesnt leave DEN .. fact is he wasnt producing up there. I hope he can at least be a net positive down here. We shall see.
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Why would anyone expect year 10 DT to be as good as year 10 AJ? AJ is in a different class of receiver than DT, not to disrespect DT but AJ is a future HOFer
 
Uncle Rico said:
If only we were so lucky to have a year 10 Andre Johnson in a year 10 Demaryious Thomas, but if they were really contemporaries and close in skill and production then DT doesnt leave DEN .. fact is he wasnt producing up there. I hope he can at least be a net positive down here. We shall see.
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Demaryius Thomas catch rates:
with Manning - 63.5%
w/out Manning - 57%
with Osweiler - 53.2%
2018 - 64.3%

Emmanuel Sanders catch rates:
with Manning - 64%
w/out Manning - 58%
with Osweiler - 51.6%
2018 - 75.7%

I wouldn't go so far as to say DT wasn't producing. QB matters. Just look at Hopkins with and without Watson;

with - 67%
without - 55%

And for shits and giggles:
AJ through 9 years - 706 rec, 61% catch rate, 9656 yards, 52 TD
DT through 9 years - 668 rec, 60.8% catch rate, 9116 yards, 60 TD

And there's still 7 games left in DT's 9th season.

DT wasn't brought here to be AJ, so I don't know why we're comparing them in the 1st place. I also don't get why people are trying to poo poo on DT being brought in. He's still very capable of being a very solid and productive #2, especially with a better than halfway decent QB now. And he's a thousand times better than what Sammie Coates or Vyncint Smith would have given you.

And money matters too. DT is not a Bronco anymore not because he's not producing, but because they don't want to pay that $14M salary next year.
 
Speedy said:
Demaryius Thomas catch rates:
with Manning - 63.5%
w/out Manning - 57%
with Osweiler - 53.2%
2018 - 64.3%

Emmanuel Sanders catch rates:
with Manning - 64%
w/out Manning - 58%
with Osweiler - 51.6%
2018 - 75.7%

I wouldn't go so far as to say DT wasn't producing. QB matters. Just look at Hopkins with and without Watson;

with - 67%
without - 55%

And for shits and giggles:
AJ through 9 years - 706 rec, 61% catch rate, 9656 yards, 52 TD
DT through 9 years - 668 rec, 60.8% catch rate, 9116 yards, 60 TD

And there's still 7 games left in DT's 9th season.

DT wasn't brought here to be AJ, so I don't know why we're comparing them in the 1st place. I also don't get why people are trying to poo poo on DT being brought in. He's still very capable of being a very solid and productive #2, especially with a better than halfway decent QB now. And he's a thousand times better than what Sammie Coates or Vyncint Smith would have given you.

And money matters too. DT is not a Bronco anymore not because he's not producing, but because they don't want to pay that $14M salary next year.
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DT is also prone to drops. Why are we comparing catch rates from Manning? If bringing up Dre is wierd... Hopkins hasn't slowed down much with the circus at QB but DT did have the Mile High Messiah for a couple years. Also years 10 & 11 for Dre were great, DT is on the decline. Yes I agree he can be valuable, but he doesn't stretch the field, he's near the top in drops, but he's a great locker room guy. I don't dislike the pickup he's better than Sammie Coates and Vincent Smyth without a doubt. I brought up how Dre was kicked off the team in regards to how DT was and have just kept rambling my bad.

PS: were you implying Emmanuel Sanders a better receiver than DT? Because I would disagree.
 
Uncle Rico said:
PS: were you implying Emmanuel Sanders a better receiver than DT? Because I would disagree
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Nope. Just showing the difference a QB makes. Both receivers rates were down when the QB level dropped, not just DT. Both really bad with Brock. And that DT's decline might be due to that. Not saying he's going for 1500 yards in year 10 like AJ did, those numbers are going to Nuk, but DT getting around 1000 or so as a #2 (2b depending on Fuller), and being a good red zone threat, I'll take in a heartbeat.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Remember when O'Brien did that to Andre Johnson? Some guys here were saying Dre was wrong for wanting to be more involved, and that he had declined etc.. Im not sure I feel much empathy for Thomas, I get it he got his feelings hurt, but its time to put on your big boy pants and move forward.
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He did decline after that and had a disappointing season in Tenn. and his career was pretty much a wrap.after that.
 
infantrycak said:
Ummm, maybe. He went to be 3rd WR to a star in the making Luck. What he got was a dinged, barely performing and then out Luxk.
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He had aged and everybody knew it. He had a great run. It comes to an end. To be honest, I always wanted to see AJ tearing it up for another team towards the end of his career where he'd have had a much better chance to compete for a SB. I hate the fact that AJ really only had like one real playoff season in his top prime, and that was when Yates was throwing the ball. I still feel cheated that we never got to see AJ enough in post season form where he likely would have taken his game to the next level similar to how Fitzgerald did when he finally got his big opportunity in the playoffs or to how young T.O performed in some of his early years in the post season.
 
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