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Defensive Ends

In previous years, Brian Orakpo has been held back by defensive coordinators who wanted to play run first & pass second.

This year, with Will Muschamp calling the games for the defense, Orakpo has 5.5 sacks & 7 hurries through four games.

He looked unstoppable today against Arkansas.
 
LonerATO said:
I am also feeling Orakpo right now
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Muschamp has brought something new to that defense. Team is averaging four sacks per game & is only giving up 10 points per game.

Of course, they haven't exactly been playing top ranked teams every week...
 
TexansSeminole said:
Everette Brown 6-4 250 out of Florida State is a good defensive end. He is a redshirt junior.

64 tackles, 25 TFL, 9.5 sacks, 1 FF, and 1 blocked kick over the last 2 years.

Should be great this year.
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Another update on Everette Brown.

Just drove back to Tallahassee from Jacksonville from the FSU vs. Colorado game. We won. E. Brown had a fantastic game. He forced a fumble on the QB in the beginning of the game and FSU recovered. It led to points, however it didn't count as a sack. It's ok though because he got one later in the game.

He had 3 tackles, 2 TFL (-9yds), 1 forced fumble, 1 sack (-7yds).

That gives him 10 tackles, 6.5 TFL (48 yards lost), 3 sacks, and 1 forced fumble. This is after 4 games.

He had this one spin move that was amazingly fast. He literally put the OL on his ass with the spin move. He ended up getting the sack on that play.
 
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Everette Brown had a big game against Virginia Tech on Saturday: 5 tackles, 4 tackles for loss, and 3 sacks.

For the year through 7 games: 16 tackles, 11 TFL, 6 sacks and 1 FF.

I'm curious to see where this guy is projected. Kiper has him as the #5 JUNIOR defensive end. If he were rated there, it's hard for me to see him in the first round.

I would think he was a first rounder, but he could slip into the second. He was hard to find in the 2 games before this game on Saturday. He got alot of double teams, but he needs to fight out of those.

Anybody else have an idea?

My Top DEs:

1. Brian Orakpo, Texas
2. George Selvie, South Florida
3. Everette Brown, Florida St
4. Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
5. Greg Hardy, Mississippi
6. Tyson Jackson, LSU

Amazing how Orakpo has jumped up over Selvie on most people's boards. I guess Selvie hasn't helped himself too much this year. Here are Selvie's season stats through 6 games:

25 tackles, 6 tackles for loss, and 3.0 sacks.

To compare here is Orakpo's numbers through 8 games:

33 tackles, 14 tackles for loss, and 9.0 sacks and 3 FF.
 
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I'm not familiar with Everette Brown so I can't comment on him but Michael Johnson has been falling down many peoples mock drafts for lack of production. He's got all the physical attributes but he doesn't seem to have the heart. I watched some of the GT/Clemson game last week and he seems to just go through the motions and take many plays off giving a half hearted effort. You'd think that he knows everyone in the country is watching him and play better but he sure didn't seem to be putting much effort into his game.
 
My problem with Johnson is that he doesn't fight when he is beat.

He goes full motor if he gets the jump on the tackle, but as soon as the tackle attacks him he quits.

Either he doesn't care or he doesn't like contact. Either one of those is a bad thing for a DE prospect.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Everette Brown had a big game against Virginia Tech on Saturday: 5 tackles, 4 tackles for loss, and 3 sacks.

For the year through 7 games: 16 tackles, 11 TFL, 6 sacks and 1 FF.

I'm curious to see where this guy is projected. Kiper has him as the #5 JUNIOR defensive end. If he were rated there, it's hard for me to see him in the first round.

I would think he was a first rounder, but he could slip into the second. He was hard to find in the 2 games before this game on Saturday. He got alot of double teams, but he needs to fight out of those.

Anybody else have an idea?

My Top DEs:

1. Brian Orakpo, Texas
2. George Selvie, South Florida
3. Everette Brown, Florida St
4. Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
5. Greg Hardy, Mississippi
6. Tyson Jackson, LSU

Amazing how Orakpo has jumped up over Selvie on most people's boards. I guess Selvie hasn't helped himself too much this year. Here are Selvie's season stats through 6 games:

25 tackles, 6 tackles for loss, and 3.0 sacks.

To compare here is Orakpo's numbers through 8 games:

33 tackles, 14 tackles for loss, and 9.0 sacks and 3 FF.
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I like Brown, but Orakpo has another stat that shows just how dominant he has been:

Orakpo has 11 QB Hurries. Brown has 1.

That's no knock on Brown. But it shows that Orakpo has pretty much been living in offensive backfields this season.
 
bah007 said:
I like Brown, but Orakpo has another stat that shows just how dominant he has been:

Orakpo has 11 QB Hurries. Brown has 1.

That's no knock on Brown. But it shows that Orakpo has pretty much been living in offensive backfields this season.
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Some teams don't count this stat.

In the VT game alone he had 2 or 3 hurries, but they didn't count them. Same goes for like every other team stats I have found.

Texas is the only school that actually counts the hurried stat that I have seen. Look at the number of hurries for all of the Texas defense and compare that to the other stats you've seen. They are much different. For example, Orakpo alone actually has 21 according to link which is texassports.com. The whole Texas team has 94! 94! Their opponents have 8. FSU as a team has 8. Seems a bit skewed. JMO

I don't think FSU does because of how often we blitz. Practically every passing play is a hurry. We blitz like 85% of the time, it's just the Mickey Andrews style of defense. You'd just be giving hurries every pass play. It'd be pointless.

Teams calculate stats differently.

Some teams may count every tackle on the quarterback behind the LOS as a sack, but I know other teams do not, like FSU and GA Tech. If it's a designated QB run then they only count it as a TFL. It's happened numerous times this year.

I go mostly by what I have seen when I watch the teams, and I would say that Orakpo should be higher rated than Brown and he should be the highest rated DE.

Michael Johnson is really not impressive IMO.
 
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TexansSeminole said:
Some teams don't count this stat.

In the VT game alone he had 2 or 3 hurries, but they didn't count them. Same goes for like every other team stats I have found.

Texas is the only school that actually counts the hurried stat that I have seen. Look at the number of hurries for all of the Texas defense and compare that to the other stats you've seen. They are much different. For example, Orakpo alone actually has 21 according to link which is texassports.com. The whole Texas team has 94! 94! Their opponents have 8. FSU as a team has 8. Seems a bit skewed. JMO

I don't think FSU does because of how often we blitz. Practically every passing play is a hurry. We blitz like 85% of the time, it's just the Mickey Andrews style of defense. You'd just be giving hurries every pass play. It'd be pointless.

Teams calculate stats differently.

Some teams may count every tackle on the quarterback behind the LOS as a sack, but I know other teams do not, like FSU and GA Tech. If it's a designated QB run then they only count it as a TFL. It's happened numerous times this year.

I go mostly by what I have seen when I watch the teams, and I would say that Orakpo should be higher rated than Brown and he should be the highest rated DE.

Michael Johnson is really not impressive IMO.
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Hmm...

You may be right about the hurries. I get my stats from the official NCAA statistics but I guess if a team didn't calculate those & send them in then all their players would "officially" have zero. I didn't think about that.

I know Texas doesn't count tackling the QB for a loss as a sack though. The play has to be designated as a pass.
 
bah007 said:
I know Texas doesn't count tackling the QB for a loss as a sack though. The play has to be designated as a pass.
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I think most teams do it that way.

As for the hurry thing I noticed it a few years ago. Just a difference in how some teams count hurries. Some may say it's a hurry if the guy is behind the LOS. Some may say it's a hurry only if the defender touches the quarterback as he throws. Who knows. But you look at the stats for different teams, and see 94 for one and 8 for the other, you get the idea that they are counting that particular stat very differently.

Where do you have Michael Johnson as far as round? I really don't even think he is first round material, production wise.
 
Johnson should still finish with 5-6 sacks. That will be enough to make some team overlook how lazy he is, and take him pretty high based on potential.

He's probably still a top 20 pick. Mayby top 10 if he does well at the senior bowl, and has a great combine. I just hope it isn't Houston who bites.

Orakpo and Hardy are the only DE the Texans should be looking at in round one. If they're not there look at DT, FS, OLB, before Johnson.

However, if he flops at the Senior bowl, and can't put up a 4.6 and 20 reps on the combine he could drop into round 2. There's also the idea some folks are floating that he's too tall to play OLB in a 3-4 which reduces the pool of potential teams that will look at him, and he could drop further.

My view is that he will be a good situational pass rusher, but I wouldn't bite on a part time guy in the first round.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I think most teams do it that way.

As for the hurry thing I noticed it a few years ago. Just a difference in how some teams count hurries. Some may say it's a hurry if the guy is behind the LOS. Some may say it's a hurry only if the defender touches the quarterback as he throws. Who knows. But you look at the stats for different teams, and see 94 for one and 8 for the other, you get the idea that they are counting that particular stat very differently.

Where do you have Michael Johnson as far as round? I really don't even think he is first round material, production wise.
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He doesn't sniff the 1st based on production this season.

But because of his athleticism & potential, I think he could go anywhere from 15-30. It won't become clear until the season is over and even after the combine.

I wouldn't draft him though. I question his motor and his dedication. Give me Orakpo, Selvie, or Brown first.
 
Another 4 tackles for loss and 3 sacks for Everette Brown.

Season through 9 games: 23 tackles, 15 TFL for -91 yards, 9 sacks, 2 FF.

Defense was dominating, except our secondary was a bit off today. Refs were absolutely horrible for both sides.

Everette Brown is starting to hit his stride. I think he is first round caliber. I would take him 20+ anyday. Chris Crane of Boston College is the next target.

Other Top DEs:

Brian Orakpo through 9 of 10 games (missed a game): 35 tackles, 15 TFL for -90 yards, 9 sacks, 3 FFs.

George Selvie through 8 of 9 games (missed a game): 35 tackles, 11 TFL for -61 yards, 5 sacks, 1 FR.

Tyson Jackson through 9 games: 27 tackles, 7.5 TFL for -31 yards, 4.5 sacks, 1 FR.

Michael Johnson through 10 games: 35 tackles, 12 TFL for -72 yards, 6 sacks, 2 FFs, 1 FR.

Jerry Hughes through 11 games: 43 tackles, 17.5 TFL for -120 yards, 14 sacks, 5 FFs, 3 FR.

Jerry Hughes is #98 for TCU. He went to Austin High School in Sugar Land. 6-2 248 pound Junior. Anybody catch a glimpse of this guy this year?

Last year stats for Jerry Hughes: 30 tackles, 3.5 TFL for -18 yards, and 1 sack.
 
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I've seen Hughes play three times.

He was the best player on the field in every game.

Converted running back in only his second year at DE.
 
bah007 said:
Greg Hardy is lights out for Ole Miss.
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Hardy smardy, the guy who really impress'es me is Jerry Peria DT 6-3 300. put him next to Amobi & trade Travis for a 3rd or 4th rd. pick. this guy has great explosion for his size & high motor to chase down the QB once the pocket is compromised. pressure from the inside is a higher need & Peria has a higher ceiling than teammate Greg Hardy.
 
Everette Brown put on a clinic today in the 37-3 win over Maryland.

3.5 sacks and 4.5 tackles for loss tonight. He also added a FF.

He now has 12.5 sacks with 20.5 tackles for loss on the season.
 
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TexansSeminole said:
Another update on Everette Brown.

Just drove back to Tallahassee from Jacksonville from the FSU vs. Colorado game. We won. E. Brown had a fantastic game. He forced a fumble on the QB in the beginning of the game and FSU recovered. It led to points, however it didn't count as a sack. It's ok though because he got one later in the game.

He had 3 tackles, 2 TFL (-9yds), 1 forced fumble, 1 sack (-7yds).

That gives him 10 tackles, 6.5 TFL (48 yards lost), 3 sacks, and 1 forced fumble. This is after 4 games.

He had this one spin move that was amazingly fast. He literally put the OL on his ass with the spin move. He ended up getting the sack on that play.
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i'm sold on Everette Brown. he was UNBLOCKABLE in the Maryland game.
 
Im not sold on E Brown just yet. I was watching some clips of him since I havent watched a FSU game yet, but he seems to only get his pressure/tackle/sacks when he jumps the snap count. I just dont think he will get that type of jump on any team who knows how to mix it up. And what is that weird shoulder dip thing he does? Looks strange.

Ill take Orakpophobia first, but IMO we need to focus on our secondary.
 
Also im going to toot Brandon Grahams horn until the draft because he is going to be a fine NFL player. Possible 3-4 OLB like LaMarr Woodley.

Dont be surprised to see a 3-4 team like the Dolphins to take him in the top 2 rounds.
 
Super Mario said:
Im not sold on E Brown just yet. I was watching some clips of him since I havent watched a FSU game yet, but he seems to only get his pressure/tackle/sacks when he jumps the snap count. I just dont think he will get that type of jump on any team who knows how to mix it up. And what is that weird shoulder dip thing he does? Looks strange.
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I think you need to watch a game. Who cares if a shoulder dip move looks strange? If he gets to the qb then he gets to the qb. To say he gets all his sacks by jumping the snap count is uninformed at best.

Best argument I have heard for us not drafting him is by threetoadpete because it actually has some validity. He may be better suited for a 3-4 because of his speed, athleticism, and weight (254). So he may get picked up by a 3-4 team early as he seems to be the best OLB in a 3-4 scheme prospect. Him and Stintim from virginia.

I personally think he can play DE in a 4-3 in the NFL. If we put mario at strongside defensive end, and brown at weakside defensive end I think we would be more than fine.

Thing about it is that if we pick in the top 10 it may be a reach to take any DE in this draft.
 
I will take Brown any day @ 6'4 he can add weight if he needs to but I like him the way he is. Charles Haley & Dwight Freeney clones are good enough for me.

Opposite MW we would have a pass rush second to none. IMO
 
TexansSeminole said:
I think you need to watch a game. Who cares if a shoulder dip move looks strange? If he gets to the qb then he gets to the qb. To say he gets all his sacks by jumping the snap count is uninformed at best.

Best argument I have heard for us not drafting him is by threetoadpete because it actually has some validity. He may be better suited for a 3-4 because of his speed, athleticism, and weight (254). So he may get picked up by a 3-4 team early as he seems to be the best OLB in a 3-4 scheme prospect. Him and Stintim from virginia.

I personally think he can play DE in a 4-3 in the NFL. If we put mario at strongside defensive end, and brown at weakside defensive end I think we would be more than fine.

Thing about it is that if we pick in the top 10 it may be a reach to take any DE in this draft.
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Orakpo will be a top 5 lock after the combine.

That is going to be a hell of a show.
 
bah007 said:
Orakpo will be a top 5 lock after the combine.

That is going to be a hell of a show.
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Orakpo would be a reach in the top 5... should be more like a Top 15 pick depending on individual teams boards. don't forget there is gonna be a serious injection of the top underclassmen coming out to get that big guarenteed money before the new collective bargaining agreement :money:
 
beerlover said:
Orakpo would be a reach in the top 5... should be more like a Top 15 pick depending on individual teams boards. don't forget there is gonna be a serious injection of the top underclassmen coming out to get that big guarenteed money before the new collective bargaining agreement :money:
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I'm not saying that I would necesarilly take Orakpo at 5, but he is gonna be one of those guys that gets taken a little higher than he should because of his combine numbers.
 
bah007 said:
I'm not saying that I would necesarilly take Orakpo at 5, but he is gonna be one of those guys that gets taken a little higher than he should because of his combine numbers.
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Yeah everything I have heard about him and seen leads me to believe this. Saw an interesting blurb on Zierlein's blog the other day about him:

"I like Orakpo, but not until later in the first. I know one scout who likes him and compares him to Matt Forte in that "he'll be solid in this league, but not great" and he puts a 3rd round grade on him because "he's not a deluxe athlete, deluxe pass rusher or deluxe run-stuffer by NFL standards."

3rd round grade? I don't see it, even if I didn't read stuff like:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?id=3420212
I mean he is one of those guys that just jumps out on defense, to me at least. If he isn't a deluxe athlete/pass rusher then who is?
 
bah007 said:
I'm not saying that I would necesarilly take Orakpo at 5, but he is gonna be one of those guys that gets taken a little higher than he should because of his combine numbers.
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im not against orakpo or anything but after gholston teams might be a little more wary of combine monsters/weightlifters
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Defensive End may be a critical position for us to draft next year, enough to where we could spend a 1st rounder again. Below is a generic list of some of the top DE's that could be in the draft (* denotes underclassmen)

I have a question for those great at scouting college talent that's really important to keep in mind when watching the college football season. What's the best way to determine a 4-3 DE vs. a 3-4 DE vs. a 3-4 OLB???? Other questions that would be great if they could be answered: What should we look for in a DE to compliment Mario? (speed rusher?) What's the best way to scout for speed, how quick they are off the snap, their motor, run stopping, coverage, etc.?

Mainly, I don't want to be watching a lot of George Sylvie (for example) to see if he'd be a good fit on the Texans if he's just going to end up being a 3-4 outside linebacker in the NFL. Thanks for the help guys.

a list:
Defensive Ends:
1. George Selvie, South Florida*
2. Tyson Jackson, LSU
3. Greg Hardy, Ole Miss*
4. Greg Middleton, Indiana*
5. Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
6. Maurice Evans, Penn State*
7. Brian Orakpo, Texas
8. Auston English, Oklahoma*
9. Tim Jamison, Michigan
10. Ricky Sapp, Clemson*
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Michael Johnson is our guy. He should be there when we pick. Excellent speed, size and strength to go opposite Mario.
 
Super Mario said:
Im not sold on E Brown just yet. I was watching some clips of him since I havent watched a FSU game yet, but he seems to only get his pressure/tackle/sacks when he jumps the snap count. I just dont think he will get that type of jump on any team who knows how to mix it up. And what is that weird shoulder dip thing he does? Looks strange.

Ill take Orakpophobia first, but IMO we need to focus on our secondary.
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NO, Defensive end is the most pressing need. I don't see anything wrong with the secondary except for youth and inexperience and the star in the secondary coming back from a devastating injury. Hopefully with all the money we have under the cap this offseason we can find a nasty free agent safety. If you like Orakpo you will like Michael Johnson DE from GA Tech even better. Thats the guy I hope we take.
 
ubecool454 said:
NO, Defensive end is the most pressing need. I don't see anything wrong with the secondary except for youth and inexperience and the star in the secondary coming back from a devastating injury. Hopefully with all the money we have under the cap this offseason we can find a nasty free agent safety. If you like Orakpo you will like Michael Johnson DE from GA Tech even better. Thats the guy I hope we take.
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That's a good description of our CB situation but our S situation is ugly. At the very least we have to re-sign Wilson and draft a SS with some coverage ability. We may have a lot of guys but it's useless depth for the most part. I agree with DE in the first, be it Orakpo, Johnson, Brown, or Selvie, but we should be looking at S in the second. Thankfully, there will be more S with 2nd round grade than 1st round grade. I'm guessing Chacellor, Chung, Nic Harris, Hamlin, and Rashad Johnson will all get 2nd round grades.
 
bah007 said:
I'm not saying that I would necessarily take Orakpo at 5, but he is gonna be one of those guys that gets taken a little higher than he should because of his combine numbers.
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This is what I'm thinking also. I don't know how much Parcells will have to say about it....but it looks like a match to me. Selvie would work too. So far the locks I'm projecting is one of the high end tight ends to Hotlanta and a tweener to Miami. Young QBs best Friend is a great TE who can work the seems of a two deep zone.

Not saying top two picks....but Norwood from South Carolina might be a third or fourth round candidate. Will line backer....moved to DE by an aggressive DC...sounds a lot like Orakpo. Anything high end from USC, we're going to sniff for the man with the big money clips.

How many tackles for loss does he, Norwood have there Seminole ? They said on the Clemson game he's leading the SEC in TFL. Raw with the shoulder dip...you can coach that up. The guy moves like a cat who's zeroed in on the sounds of a mouse. Not tring to put Adibi on the pine just saying you can never have too many athletic LBs.

McShay's has them like this now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft


All you skill guys...I know you're out there....look where he has Wells ranked.

Why ? He's a big RB who runs with his pads way to high. If you draft him go out and hirer a wielder . Get some four inch pipe make a run, a box of four sixteen foot sections jointed by two foot cross sections every two feet. Make it three and a half feet high. Run him through the chute for six months. If they don't coach him up to run with his pads lower the guy will have a very short NFL career. One thing to run like Erick Dickerson if you have the third gear...Beaner Wells doesn't. After the third down play on the goal line in last nights game....power running back may have just trumped center or DE as a position of need. Slaton has to have a soul mate.
 
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beerlover said:
indifferent :specnatz:
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It may end up that he is the best of the bunch....just on numbers. However, I've never seen a high end guy throw forty millions bucks away quicker than Mr. Johnson. You'd think the brass ring would have him highly motivated ? If you can't get up for forty million bucks....the question I have is what or who the heck will get you up ? I've had danger Will Robinson all over the guy for a few weeks now. I could be wrong. I see the world through orange glasses for sure...I've got no problem with Everett. High end guy at what he does and it slams a position of need. That does it for me. Rather have Orakpo...whatever.
 
threetoedpete said:
Not saying top two picks....but Norwood from South Carolina might be a third or fourth round candidate. Will line backer....moved to DE by an aggressive DC...sounds a lot like Orakpo. Anything high end from USC, we're going to sniff for the man with the big money clips.

How many tackles for loss does he, Norwood have there Seminole ? They said on the Clemson game he's leading the SEC in TFL. Raw with the shoulder dip...you can coach that up. The guy moves like a cat who's zeroed in on the sounds of a mouse. Not tring to put Adibi on the pine just saying you can never have too many athletic LBs.
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Looks like Norwood's stats on the season are as follows:

66 tackles, 13.5 TFL, 9 sacks, 1 FF, and 1 FR.

Last year's stats:

69 tackles, 19.5 TFL, 6 sacks, 3 FR, and a blocked kick.

I haven't seen Norwood play much. I normally key on Emanuel Cook when I watch the Gamecocks. Cook did not have a very good game against Clemson, but I still would take him at the top of the 2nd round.
 
threetoedpete said:
...How many tackles for loss does he, Norwood have there Seminole ? They said on the Clemson game he's leading the SEC in TFL...
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Malcolm Sheppard, Arkansas, actually leads the SEC with 16. Seminole is right, Norwood has 13.5

Weren't you the one that brought up Jarron Gilbert from San Jose St a few weeks ago. If you were, good call. He is leading the country with 22 TFLs.

Our friends Brown (4th in the nation with 20.5) & Orakpo (leads the Big XII with 15.5) are doing well too.
 
bah007 said:
Malcolm Sheppard, Arkansas, actually leads the SEC with 16. Seminole is right, Norwood has 13.5

Weren't you the one that brought up Jarron Gilbert from San Jose St a few weeks ago. If you were, good call. He is leading the country with 22 TFLs.

Our friends Brown (4th in the nation with 20.5) & Orakpo (leads the Big XII with 15.5) are doing well too.
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They've got that kid playing out of position Bah....He's at least a De in a 3-4. I'd draft him for our 4-3 as a rotation guy in a heart beat. Parsells took the kid from hampton in the fourth last year. You can bet money parcells has Gillbert tagerted too. They get that beast in with what they already have and a speed guy at OLB...they're going to be an awesome defense.
 
Grams said:
Just WOW. No way he is there at 15 tho.
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unlikely but you never know.. there seem to be alot of really good LT's and orakpo and other de's etc ahead of him at the moment

i think we'll get a good player either way. william moore would be a nice addition also at safety
 
E Brown had another sack and a forced fumble in the bowl game against Wisconson. A linebacker picked the fumble up and returned it for a TD.

Season stats: 36 tackles, 21.5 TFL, 13.5 sacks, 4 FF, 1 FR.

Career stats: 100 tackles, 46.5 TFL, 23 sacks.
 
So many of the ends and tackles were dissapointing last year, at least as rookies. Glenn Dorsey - 46 tackles, 1 sack. Vernon Gholston - 13 tackles, 0 sacks. Derrick Harvey - 19 tackles, 3 and a half sacks. Kentwan Balmer - 7 tackles, 0 sacks. It seems like defensive end's and tackles are as big a risk as quarterbacks in the 1st round.
 
Spled said:
So many of the ends and tackles were dissapointing last year, at least as rookies. Glenn Dorsey - 46 tackles, 1 sack. Vernon Gholston - 13 tackles, 0 sacks. Derrick Harvey - 19 tackles, 3 and a half sacks. Kentwan Balmer - 7 tackles, 0 sacks. It seems like defensive end's and tackles are as big a risk as quarterbacks in the 1st round.
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I think alot of DL have a hard time at first because their used to being physically superior than their opponent . Like a QB they have to adapt somewhat ... some can't do it .
 
Spled said:
So many of the ends and tackles were dissapointing last year, at least as rookies. Glenn Dorsey - 46 tackles, 1 sack. Vernon Gholston - 13 tackles, 0 sacks. Derrick Harvey - 19 tackles, 3 and a half sacks. Kentwan Balmer - 7 tackles, 0 sacks. It seems like defensive end's and tackles are as big a risk as quarterbacks in the 1st round.
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How is Glenn Dorsey's 46 Tackles 1 sack a dissappointment? He's a 3technique tackle with no help at DE.
 
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