DD vs Bush

[Vinny]

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[thague]

Since this seems to be the major discusion on these boards, I figured I would start an analysis comparing what we know about Bush with what we know about DD and his abilities. The way I see it, break it down into several categories, so, here we go:

Vision : This is DD's biggest strength, most of his runs require patience and he does a very good job of developing his runs to get the most out of them. For Reggie, in the open field he is obviously very explosive and has an unparalleld cut-back ability, but between the tackles he rarely hs to "find" a hole. DD gets the edge between the tackles, Bush in the open field.

Power: Bush's most criticized weakness, he would rather go around people then through them. While DD is no Earl Campbell, he dosnt go down easly and ussually requires a couple of people to bring him down. DD wins this one.

Jukes: Obvioulsy this one goes to Bush, he is incredible in this regard. DD is no slouch, see the KC game, but this isnt close.

Blocking: DD is not a very accomplished blocker, Bush wins by default. Have not seen enough of him blocking to form a valid opinion.

Speed: Obvioulsy Bush takes this one.

Receiving: Both are accomplished receivers. Bush only has 2 catches of over 20 yards by the way. I think this is a tie because DD has proven he can catch most anything thrown at him. Bush is a solid slot receiver, that is credentials enough.

Fumbles: Both do a great of taking care of the ball, tie.

By my count its about 3-2 Bush, with two categories ennding in ties. Feel free to add anything on or challenge my opinion, just try to make it a real argument, and please, no draft trade down scenarios, just comapre the players. After all, even if we do draft Bush, there is no guarantee he will beat out DD...

As far as the comparison between DD and Bush goes, Bush is more explosive, Davis is better between the tackles. Bush is an incredible player, but why is there even a debate on whether or not Houston should draft him? Davis, Wells, and Morency are solid, the reason that Davis is injury prone is because he is not an every down back like Houston wants him to be. Give Wells and Morency a few more carries a game, and get DD back to 15 carries and 4-5 receptions and he won't get hurt so much.. Houston DOESNT NEED ANOTHER RUNNING BACK!!! We have huge problems on Defense in every position minus Robinson, we have an awful run-defense, and our safeties could possibly be the worst in the league... i say trade down and get a bunch of second and third round picks... grab a defensive player, like an AJ Hawk, or Jimmy Williams... put SOMEONE decent on the offensive line, although i am a Chester Pitts fan... and Houston could be a playoff team in a couple of years...

 

[dat_boy_yec]

Well, back to the topic at hand. On speed it is obvious that Bush has the edge the advantage where this comes in is the open field. It's frustrating when you see DD get caught from behind, I can't say this will never happen to Bush, but I don't see it happening. Power, as of right now I would think that goes to DD, he has the build to push ahead and gain yac, he is also accustomed to pushing heavier players, but I think this has put alot of strain on his knees and put his durability in question. I think Bush could improve significantly with a weight coach and reps. Blitz pickup, I think this is extremely important and something that DD lacks, I've seen Bush pick up a few blitzes nicely but not enough to know if he's consistent on it. However I think Bush has an edge in this because some of the missed blocks by DD really hurt. I think that the reason we do better when Wells is in the backfield is because he picks up the blitzes better. Receiving I think this goes to Bush simply because he can line up in the slot. I know that's probably underanalized by me, but I just can't see DD lining up there well. Vision, on this I think that they are about even but Bush has quicker reactions so it makes his vision a little more effective. Overall I think that Bush definitely has the edge.

 

[MorKnolle]

I wasn't going to post on this thread but I decided I'd go ahead and do it.

The way I see it, break it down into several categories, so, here we go:

Vision : This is DD's biggest strength, most of his runs require patience and he does a very good job of developing his runs to get the most out of them. For Reggie, in the open field he is obviously very explosive and has an unparalleld cut-back ability, but between the tackles he rarely hs to "find" a hole. DD gets the edge between the tackles, Bush in the open field.

I basically agree with you here, I think one of Davis' strengths is his vision, Bush appears to have pretty good vision but NFL defenses are different so we'll have to see how he makes the transition. I think Davis' vision in the open field is as good as Bush's, but he doesn't have the best speed in the league and with the speed of NFL DBs he will get chased down as almost everyone does.

Power: Bush's most criticized weakness, he would rather go around people then through them. While DD is no Earl Campbell, he dosnt go down easly and ussually requires a couple of people to bring him down. DD wins this one.

This isn't even close. Davis isn't a guy that is going to bowl right over LBs like Jerome Bettis but he is short and compact and runs into people and bounces off and continues going quite well. I haven't seen Bush do this very well although he usually goes around people, but again that is at the college level and won't happen as much in the NFL so we'll have to see how well he can take hits and keep going. In my opinion Davis is excellent at continuing to run after contact and finding ways to eek out extra yards.

Jukes: Obvioulsy this one goes to Bush, he is incredible in this regard. DD is no slouch, see the KC game, but this isnt close.

Bush is good at jukes, Davis is also good. Davis' obviously doesn't run quite as fast for his jukes but he does open up extra room and break tackles with his jukes too. Bush seems to run one way and switch back another and cause college defenders to overpursue him and lose their tackling angles while he dances around the outside of them, while Davis uses more of a quick-step juke while running between people to open up holes. Bush probably has a slight edge on this but I'm not sure since they use jukes differently.

Blocking: DD is not a very accomplished blocker, Bush wins by default. Have not seen enough of him blocking to form a valid opinion.

I don't really agree here. Davis doesn't block very well but he usually is just supposed to get in someone's way and then release for a pass. I haven't seen Bush sit in the pocket and pick up many blitzes either, he is usually running routes out of the backfield or lined up in the slot. I haven't seen much evidence of either being a good blocker.

Speed: Obvioulsy Bush takes this one.[/QUOTE[

Yes Bush has better straight-line speed and probably accelerates a little quicker. I think Davis is a little faster side-to-side though, or at least the same quickness as Bush.

Receiving: Both are accomplished receivers. Bush only has 2 catches of over 20 yards by the way. I think this is a tie because DD has proven he can catch most anything thrown at him. Bush is a solid slot receiver, that is credentials enough.

Both catch the ball quite well. Davis catches most passes thrown at him and has put up nice receiving numbers out of the backfield. Bush has pretty good hands too and has lined up in the slot too, but I'd say they're even.

Fumbles: Both do a great of taking care of the ball, tie.

Both are pretty good at this.

My comparison in some categories:
Speed: advantage to Bush
Agility: about even
Acceleration: advantage to Bush
Vision: slight advantage to Davis
Hands: even
Fumbling: even
Speed Moves: slight advantage to Bush
Power Moves: advantage to Davis
Blocking: both non-impressive

My rankings of some of their abilities in terms of approximate Madden ratings:
Speed: 91-92 for Davis, 96 for Bush
Agility: 93-94 for Davis, 94 for Bush
Acceleration: 92-93 for Davis, 96 for Bush
Awareness: 75-78 for Davis, 68-70 for Bush (main reason for difference is because Bush is a rookie)
Catching: 78-82 for both
Carrying: 82-85 for both
Break Tackle: 85 for Davis, 80 for Bush
Blocking: both not very good, probably in the 35-40 range

In terms of running a Madden franchise Bush is probably the more desirable pick, but in terms of the real NFL and how our team is currently built, I don't see Bush improving our team much if any, and certainly not enough to warrant $50 million and the #1 overall pick.

 

[edo783]

That Bush will likely be the better back is a BIT of a given. However, what does that really mean? He will likely gain 1500-1800 yards Vs. DDs 1200-1500 yards. Yes, that's better, but is it 30 million dollars better, because that is about how much more he will cost than DD. Bush = ~55 Mill DD= 25 Mill so we are going to be paying an additional 30 million of the cap for MAYBE 300-500 additional yards. Sounds a bit expensive to me to upgrade a position that is a LONG way from the worst one on the team.

 

[MorKnolle]

That Bush will likely be the better back is a BIT of a given. However, what does that really mean? He will likely gain 1500-1800 yards Vs. DDs 1200-1500 yards. Yes, that's better, but is it 30 million dollars better, because that is about how much more he will cost than DD. Bush = ~55 Mill DD= 25 Mill so we are going to be paying an additional 30 million of the cap for MAYBE 300-500 additional yards. Sounds a bit expensive to me to upgrade a position that is a LONG way from the worst one on the team.

The economics of it don't make sense. I also don't see Bush rushing for 1800 yards in a season, I don't see his body holding up for that much rushing and pounding he would receive. Maybe he'd have a fluke year like that, but I wouldn't expect him to average more than 1400 yards per season. All other things being equal, I'd expect Bush and Davis to average about 1300 rushing yards a season, and maybe Bush gets 700-800 receiving yards while Davis only gets 500-600, but that's about the only difference I see in their stats assuming they had an equal team built around them. Obviously differing teams and offensive systems will create a different set of statistics for both of them, so we'll have to see how Davis does in the future with our team and how Bush will do on the 49ers or Jets.

 

[royce1054]

As far as the comparison between DD and Bush goes, Bush is more explosive, Davis is better between the tackles. Bush is an incredible player, but why is there even a debate on whether or not Houston should draft him? Davis, Wells, and Morency are solid, the reason that Davis is injury prone is because he is not an every down back like Houston wants him to be. Give Wells and Morency a few more carries a game, and get DD back to 15 carries and 4-5 receptions and he won't get hurt so much.. Houston DOESNT NEED ANOTHER RUNNING BACK!!! We have huge problems on Defense in every position minus Robinson, we have an awful run-defense, and our safeties could possibly be the worst in the league... i say trade down and get a bunch of second and third round picks... grab a defensive player, like an AJ Hawk, or Jimmy Williams... put SOMEONE decent on the offensive line, although i am a Chester Pitts fan... and Houston could be a playoff team in a couple of years...

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