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Dayne a Texan

Ron Dayne is a huge draft bust. Any time someone uses the words "Ron Dayne" and "NFL" in the same sentence, usually there's a "lol" in there somewhere.

Yeah, he had some good carries in Denver, but Ron Dayne is usually stated as one of the primary examples of how Denver can make any crappy RB look like a star behind that line.

I just hope we didn't pay much for him.
 
TheOgre said:
For a #3 back, Dayne is fine. Lets not try to turn this acquisition into anything else.
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Exactly, it is what it is, a roster selection for a 3rd string back that has some use and power.
 
I dont know why, but I'm excited to see the pick up of Dayne. Someone that I think could pick up the short yardage situations and goal line TDs. That's all I think.
 
I think Ron Dayne is a nice pick up, a 245lbs veteran RB who knows the system & thrived under coach Kubiak! Now, put C. Taylor in the practice squad along wit D. Andersen ( hope clears waivers)!:) :yikes:
 
PowerfulDragon said:
i wouldn't say he thrived under kubes.
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I think he's just a nice pick up, nothing to jump up & down, but if he can help during short yardage situation or just to wear down the opposing D than I'm all for it!:) Plus Coach K & Smith must like him to sign him! we shall see!
 
I personnally don't like the pickup. But I remind myself that he'll likely not see the field behing Lundy and Morency. Mostly because I don't see him very much as a high character guy.
 
phan1 said:
I personnally don't like the pickup. But I remind myself that he'll likely not see the field behing Lundy and Morency. Mostly because I don't see him very much as a high character guy.
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I didn't know there was ever any question about his character. Can you elaborate?
 
michaelm said:
I didn't know there was ever any question about his character. Can you elaborate?
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I can only speak to my own experience in between him finishing his season with Wisconsin and getting prepared for the NFL draft. He was not exactly the type of guy a reputable agency looking to diversify its clientele (basketball to football) would want to take on as one of its first football clients. Outside of that his play on the field given his expectations, based upon his collegiate results, fell right in line where I thought he would end up in the NFL, a back up journeyman.

I hope he succeeds as a Texan on the field, off the field and in the locker room, but I am not holding my breath.
 
While with the Broncos, Dayne rushed for 270 yards on 53 carries (5.1 average). At 245 pounds, he becomes the heaviest tailback on the roster, an attribute that may give him playing time in short yardage and goalline situations.
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I am not thrilled with the signing, but maybe he will prove me wrong
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I can only speak to my own experience in between him finishing his season with Wisconsin and getting prepared for the NFL draft. He was not exactly the type of guy a reputable agency looking to diversify its clientele (basketball to football) would want to take on as one of its first football clients. Outside of that his play on the field given his expectations, based upon his collegiate results, fell right in line where I thought he would end up in the NFL, a back up journeyman.

I hope he succeeds as a Texan on the field, off the field and in the locker room, but I am not holding my breath.
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You clearly don't know anything about Dayne personally or professionally. Do some research and get back to the boards. You are vague because you don't know anything about him. By the way it is the end of 2006!
 
brncoz1fan said:
You clearly don't know anything about Dayne personally or professionally. Do some research and get back to the boards. You are vague because you don't know anything about him. By the way it is the end of 2006!
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Props to you for giving him your blessing. I'm sure if Kubiak thinks we need him, then we need him. Especially since he KNOWS him. I am a total Kubiak homer, he is my hero, and I BELIEVE!

I kind of feel a kindred spirit with you guys, since we have several of your coaches, your players, your scheme. Hope we can do as much with it as you all have. Kubes has brought our spirit back here to Houston. We are excited and expecting GREAT things!!!

Have a great year!!!
 
Just browse the Bronco's boards and you'll see why Dayne, while not a bad guy, isn't really a good locker-room type of guy. I mean he was given the starting job in Denver and totally blew it. Also, draft busts are usually known for their lack of character or maturity. I'm probably reaching hear, but I just really don't like the thought of picking up Denver's trash. You are talking about going from the #1 RB to being waivered. That's pretty low. And have you seen Denver's RB situation lately? They're situation is probably worse than ours! The thought that just any Denver RB can get 1000 yds have been really overrated, cause they've had pretty backs. It's just not worth the price to keep them. Tatum Bell is a 2nd round pick, so I think they've had some good RBs come through. Heck, I think they're still out looking for backs right now.

But like I said, he's a 3rd string RB and it's not going to affect this team any I hope.
 
phan1 said:
I mean he was given the starting job in Denver and totally blew it.
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The dude is not going to transform the franchise, but c'mon--he had turf toe and got caught up in a numbers game--he didn't "blow it."
 
infantrycak said:
The dude is not going to transform the franchise, but c'mon--he had turf toe and got caught up in a numbers game--he didn't "blow it."
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Isn't that the same thing that happened to Stacey Mack when he was here? Mack had turf toe in preseason, and it basically lingered long enough for DD to take over the starting job. Mack is out of the league now, and he had a much better history as a short yardage/power back than Dayne has. The turf toe in essence ended Macks season, and ultimately his carreer, since it kept him out long enough to lose the starting job. It is rumored that Dayne is still having problems with turf toe. If it is true or not, I don't know. What I do know is that I have never been impressed with Dayne, and would much rather have Chris Taylor on the roster.
 
vtech9 said:
I am less than excited about this pick also. One of the knocks against Dayne while he was with the Giants was that despite his size, he did not run heavy. Basically the same thing Vinny has been harping on about J. Wells.
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Some running backs take time to develop. Take the Bus, Jerome Bettis. Three years in the league and the Rams let him go. He was all washed up :).
 
I think what it comes down to is that Houston is the right place for Ron Dayne and Ron Dayne is the right guy for Houston right now. No coach is going to want to start a season without any experience in the backfield. "Rookie, Rookie, Second Year" is not what they want to see on the depth chart. They want to see someone back there who has played at this level and not completely screwed the pooch. Remember when Wells was a rookie and he started putting the rock on the ground?

In 2002 we went out and got James Allen for the exact same reason we signed Ron Dayne; experience. It's the only reason Antowain Smith was even in camp. He's a nice guy and all but even with Domanick Davis injured nobody really thought Smith would win the starting spot did they?

Ron Dayne may still have some turf toe bothering him and more than likely that's fine. Lundy and Morency are going to be given every opportunity to be the "Denver-esque 1200 yard back of the year" and whichever one of them seizes the opportunity and makes the most of it will get the majority of carries.

In the very unlikely event that neither one of them is able to get it done then there sits Ron Dayne. He's well versed in the offense, had time to heal is turf toe, and he can fill the role if need be.

Thinking about this for a moment I'm not entirely certain that Ron Dayne is the hopeless case that so many people make him out to be. He's played in five seasons and missed one. The past two years he's had around 50 carries a year and switched teams once. His four years in New York look to me to be wasted time. He seems to have shown up just as Tiki Barber was blowing up.

Look a another guy who came into the league in 2000 and busted. Thomas Jones. He had his first thousand yard season in 2005 and after playing three years in Arizona he finally went somewhere that suited him. Change of scenery and suddenly this bust is averaging over four yards a carry and a marketable player in free agency.

The Saints and Eagles trolls we're seeing this week are enjoying their chance to laugh at the signing and that's fine but we shouldn't just write Dayne off completely. He's considered quality depth by us but Smith could have provided that. The more I think about it the more I believe that Kubiak believes that Dayne is a sure thing in this offense. He knows exactly what he just got by bringing him in and I believe that if Lundy and/or Morency don't go out there and get it done they'll find themselves behind Dayne pretty quickly.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Point 1..Exactly what the pro Mario vs. Bush posters on this board have been proclaiming since the draft.

Point 2..It has been a trademark of the Texans to place a premium on character. Unlike our rivals to the north, we will not compromise our principles.

I think most fans gravitate toward a favorite player or two.

We will make it to the super bowl. ..:yahoo:

Maybe not this year..but real soon. :trophy:

:twocents:

Good post, come back anytime.


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Reggie Bush was prob the best bet for Texans. We were in a jam and needed someone that we knew wouldn't hold out for more money. Williams was the best choice for us as we didn't want to spit out money for a prime RB that would boost ticket sales and merchandise.

T.O. has done very well for every team he has played for, although he has cause problems, each team has done well with him on their squad. 49ers are nothing without him and the Eagles haven't been able to match the numbers him and mcnabb put up the year he was there. They would have been the ultimate matchup that year, but Manning and his receivers outdid them.

The Texans are not on the road for a trophy in anytime soon, although it would be nice to see it, Carr is too rattled and there isn't a playmaker RB/WR. Defense is great, we know this from the Ravens (Ray Lewis), but you still need an offense that will produce.

I think Ron Dayne will do well, i even traded for him in my fantasy football league
 
nsdogg said:
The Texans are not on the road for a trophy in anytime soon, although it would be nice to see it, Carr is too rattled and there isn't a playmaker RB/WR. Defense is great, we know this from the Ravens (Ray Lewis), but you still need an offense that will produce.
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Do you believe any team without Reggie Bush has a playmaker RB/WR??

Just asking, because you've already written off two ProBowl Wide Recievers.

Just because they aren't named Bush doesn't mean they aren't playmakers.
 
I got this crazy feeling that Dayne is going to be starting for the Texans by the end of the year. He knows Kubiak's system and running style. I think that he will end up seeing 50% of the running plays by seasons end, with the other getting split between Lundy and Morency. I'd prefer to see Morency as the feature back...but that's just because I'm loyal to a fault.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
I got this crazy feeling that Dayne is going to be starting for the Texans by the end of the year. He knows Kubiak's system and running style. I think that he will end up seeing 50% of the running plays by seasons end, with the other getting split between Lundy and Morency. I'd prefer to see Morency as the feature back...but that's just because I'm loyal to a fault.
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I really hope Dayne doesn't become our starting back...Not because I think he sucks...but because I think at this point Morency and Lundy have more upside...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I really hope Dayne doesn't become our starting back...Not because I think he sucks...but because I think at this point Morency and Lundy have more upside...
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I agree. If Dayne is the starter while Morency and Lundy come off the bench we need to draft the best back in the draft next year...because Dayne is a journeyman.
 
Vinny said:
I agree. If Dayne is the starter while Morency and Lundy come off the bench we need to draft the best back in the draft next year...because Dayne is a journeyman.
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IMO, Dayne is no more than a third and short RB. What do ya'll think?
 
HOU-TEX said:
IMO, Dayne is no more than a third and short RB. What do ya'll think?
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I don't consider him a tough inside runner. I just consider him a serviceable back that knows the system. I think Kubiak wanted a vet to back up the young guys...and when Dayne was available as a guy who knows the system and is good enough to back up a quality starter we snagged him. He is a kicked up Jon Wells imo. He has a bit quicker feet and is a bit more of a slasher than Wells is.
 
In addition, it is always better to have a vet on the roster to help mold the newbies. Eric Moulds (heheh molds) has not just helped take off pressure on the line for AJ, but helps him learn from one who was in the pro-bowl himself. Can you imagine a better teacher then someone grown u with the game? I see th same with Sage, and Dayne, and even Flahagan
 
What u guys need to know, is that Dayne is not the type of player that will be productive 2 carries every 4 series. He needs 25-30 carries a game. its what he did in college and the 3 games he was the featured back in NYG. He's probably only had 20t carries 3 or4 times in his entire NFL career. Larry Johnson said over the weekend on some radio Station that he needs 20 carries just toget warmed up. If Lundy and Morency dont produce look for Kubiak to put Dayne in with no hesitation. He's has never been used in the way he was in college at all, in but 3 games when he was with NYG. In those 3 games that he was the featured back(Tiki WAS injured) his stats were 58car 337yds 3tds, w/ a 5.3 avg......so if he gets the carries you'll see the numbers. Not 2 carries every 4 series. He wont let u down.:yahoo:
 
DayneBum said:
What u guys need to know, is that Dayne is not the type of player that will be productive 2 carries every 4 series. He needs 25-30 carries a game. its what he did in college and the 3 games he was the featured back in NYG. He's probably only had 20t carries 3 or4 times in his entire NFL career. Larry Johnson said over the weekend on some radio Station that he needs 20 carries just toget warmed up. If Lundy and Morency dont produce look for Kubiak to put Dayne in with no hesitation. He's has never been used in the way he was in college at all, in but 3 games when he was with NYG. In those 3 games that he was the featured back(Tiki WAS injured) his stats were 58car 337yds 3tds, w/ a 5.3 avg......so if he gets the carries you'll see the numbers. Not 2 carries every 4 series. He wont let u down.:yahoo:
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I agree, I think that if Dayne were available in the offseason Kubiak would have signed him right away and he may have been pushing for the starting role right now. Daynes stats are very misleading in that he rushed for short yardage a ton of times to skew that stat. He's going to get many goal line chances if his turf toe heals. But that is the thing that bothers me, he has turf toe and it won't be healed for many weeks, if at all.
 
SESupergenius said:
I agree, I think that if Dayne were available in the offseason Kubiak would have signed him right away and he may have been pushing for the starting role right now. Daynes stats are very misleading in that he rushed for short yardage a ton of times to skew that stat. He's going to get many goal line chances if his turf toe heals. But that is the thing that bothers me, he has turf toe and it won't be healed for many weeks, if at all.
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i wish it wasnt called turf toe. People get mislead by the name, and figure its a minor injury. But its so major. It should be call torn toe ligaments. He's never been ijured seriously in his nfl or college career. i really hope he can bounce back from this, so he can put all the doubters to rest. But we'll just have to seeidonno:
 
SESupergenius said:
I agree, I think that if Dayne were available in the offseason Kubiak would have signed him right away and he may have been pushing for the starting role right now. Daynes stats are very misleading in that he rushed for short yardage a ton of times to skew that stat. He's going to get many goal line chances if his turf toe heals. But that is the thing that bothers me, he has turf toe and it won't be healed for many weeks, if at all.
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Turf toe is especially worrisome in a player like a short yardage runner who has to traction "push" with his toes for that extra yard or two, not atypically against a 1000 pound wall. Turf toe is not usually "healed" in a few weeks and easily recurs.........it has taken down many a good men.........look at the classic course it took in the Tack's work horse Eddie George....he went from best thing since buttered bread to soured milk in no time. But we have to wait to see.
 
Didn't neon Deon get over turf toe ? I think he even intercepted Jake Plummer while hobbling from turf toe...
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Turf toe is not usually "healed" in a few weeks and easily recurs.........it has taken down many a good men.
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Exaclty how do you recover from this?
 
kingh99 said:
Some running backs take time to develop. Take the Bus, Jerome Bettis. Three years in the league and the Rams let him go. He was all washed up :).
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Wow. That was the worst analogy I've heard in a long time.

Jerome Bettis is a first ballot HoFer. He played well in St. Louis, where he made the Pro Bowl TWICE (in 93 and 94) and he was TRADED, not CUT, to the Steelers, which was a mistake. Jerome Bettis has never been cut. Ron Dayne has been released by two teams now.

Jerome Bettis is arguably the greatest power back of all time, the closest thing to a sure thing on 3rd and 1 that there has ever been. Ron Dayne has never been able to run hard in the pros. He's been bullied by defenders that are smaller than him, never looked even slightly like his Heisman self, and that's why the Giants gave up on him.

You said some backs take time to develop. Jerome Bettis didn't take any time to develop. He made the pro bowl in 3 of his first 4 years in the NFL. Ron Dayne is enterring his SEVENTH SEASON, and has made ZERO pro bowls. If he hasn't learned how to run by now, especially when he was playing for Denver, he never will.

There is absolutely, positively zero comparison between the pro careers of Bettis and Dayne. None.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Didn't neon Deon get over turf toe ? I think he even intercepted Jake Plummer while hobbling from turf toe...
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Deion limped through and barely made it through the 1999 season before going to surgery for repair of his turf toe. He was never able to come back after that and in 2000 was forced to retired specifically because of ongoing problems related to his turf toe.
 
SESupergenius said:
Exaclty how do you recover from this?
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Most of the time, it's rest, ice, etc..in other words conservative treatment. Then footwear, orthotics etc for foot support when "pushing off." Many times these athletes must be fitted with Metal soles so that no hyperextension of the joint is possible. But these are not a very natural feel for an RB (vs. a lineman), and weakness in the joint, supported or not, can lead to compromised performance. If the aforementioned measures fail, surgery on the ligaments must be performed. Potential problems even not uncommon after repair, are persistent weakness, instability and pain. But given enough time.........i.e., a year or 2, some of these players eventually strengthen enough to try to make it back.
 
Snapple said:
Wow. That was the worst analogy I've heard in a long time.

Jerome Bettis is a first ballot HoFer. He played well in St. Louis, where he made the Pro Bowl TWICE (in 93 and 94) and he was TRADED, not CUT, to the Steelers, which was a mistake. Jerome Bettis has never been cut. Ron Dayne has been released by two teams now.

Jerome Bettis is arguably the greatest power back of all time, the closest thing to a sure thing on 3rd and 1 that there has ever been. Ron Dayne has never been able to run hard in the pros. He's been bullied by defenders that are smaller than him, never looked even slightly like his Heisman self, and that's why the Giants gave up on him.

You said some backs take time to develop. Jerome Bettis didn't take any time to develop. He made the pro bowl in 3 of his first 4 years in the NFL. Ron Dayne is enterring his SEVENTH SEASON, and has made ZERO pro bowls. If he hasn't learned how to run by now, especially when he was playing for Denver, he never will.

There is absolutely, positively zero comparison between the pro careers of Bettis and Dayne. None.
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First off, u make some good points in your post. But i'm gonna give u some free game on Dayne. The Guy has never been used like he was in college. He's probably carried the ball 20+ times in about 3 or 4 games in his nfl career. Dayne is not a jerome Bettis/ TJ Duckett kind of guy. He may have the size, but he's not that type of runner. He needs 25-30 carries a game in order for you to see the power and talent he has. He gets better as the game goes on. Most Featured backs in this league need about 15-20 carries just to get warmed up. Dayne will run people over and run with authority but he wont do it 2 carries every 2-4 series. Like the Giants used him. Now he was the featured back in NY for 3 games due to Tiki being hurt, and his numbers were 58car, 337yds, and 3td's w/ an avg of 5.3per car. You feed him the ball you will get results. I dont understand why teams dont utilize his skills and talents in this way. He won the heisman by carrying the ball 30-35 times a game. He once carried the rock 50times in a single game during his college career. And not only does he hold the NCAA rushing title but carries as well. Hopefully he will get the fair opportutnity that he's been desparatley needing, here in Houston.:gotexans1
 
DayneBum said:
He won the heisman by carrying the ball 30-35 times a game. He once carried the rock 50times in a single game during his college career. And not only does he hold the NCAA rushing title but carries as well.
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He won the Heiman by running behind a mamoth NFL type line (Aaron Gibson and V) and being in a run first, second, and third down type offense. His skill played some role in it, but put most college RBs behind that line for 4 years and they would also win a Heisman and rushing title.
 
LCROD said:
He won the Heiman by running behind a mamoth NFL type line (Aaron Gibson and V) and being in a run first, second, and third down type offense. His skill played some role in it, but put most college RBs behind that line for 4 years and they would also win a Heisman and rushing title.
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but how many backs you think can be that durable for so long, and take all the pounding and beating done upon them. Its only about a handful i say. he didnt win the Heisman untill his Senior year so it wasnt that easy. The Conference he was in is probably the best or most dominant in college. I dont think to many backs could of worn down the defenses the way he did.:howdy:
 
DayneBum said:
but how many backs you think can be that durable for so long, and take all the pounding and beating done upon them. Its only about a handful i say. he didnt win the Heisman untill his Senior year so it wasnt that easy. The Conference he was in is probably the best or most dominant in college. I dont think to many backs could of worn down the defenses the way he did.:howdy:
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When the first person trying to tackle you is a DB, like was the case with Dayne at WIS, chances are very good.
 
LCROD said:
When the first person trying to tackle you is a DB, like was the case with Dayne at WIS, chances are very good.
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So is it your contention that Wisconsin stumbled on this formual for those 4 years, or has Wisconsin been churning out 6000 yard rushers under the radar??
 
thunderkyss said:
So is it your contention that Wisconsin stumbled on this formual for those 4 years, or has Wisconsin been churning out 6000 yard rushers under the radar??
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My contention is that running behind behind that oline, an average back could do spectacular things. Ron Dayne is a product of the WIS Oline, not the other way around.
 
LCROD said:
My contention is that running behind behind that oline, an average back could do spectacular things. Ron Dayne is a product of the WIS Oline, not the other way around.
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I have seen just about every snap of Ron Dayne's career - both college and pro - and I can tell you that the Texans may have lucked out big time by getting him.

I went to Wisconsin and as a season ticket holder, I saw him in play in person at least 2 dozen times. I also get the NFL sunday ticket. Here are some things everyone should know:

1) Despite what some others have implied here, he is a great character guy. He has always put the team ahead of himself (which has ironically hurt his NFL career somewhat). Many people have perceived that lack of ego as lack of agressiveness.

2) He needs a bunch of carries to be effective, and he gets stronger and stronger as a game proceeds.

3)Yes, he had a very good O-line in college, but the majority of his yards also came after contact. If he gets through the line he has an amazing burst and great vision.

4) The Giants never knew what to do with him and they should have never drafted him. Tiki was considered to be a mediocre back at best until they drafted Dayne. Tiki continued to get better and better and their running scheme is built for a cutback type of runner. The Broncos and now the Texans use a zone blocking scheme which is exactly what Dayne flourished in during college. (Editor's note: Jim Fassell is a moran).

5) He is NOT a short-yardage/goaline only back. That's what the Giants tried to do with him. Every time he went in, the defense knew exactly what play they Giants were going to run. And, his pass catching ability is still an unknown. The Badgers never really passed to the RBs back then, and he hasn't played enough as a pro as an every down back to know.

6) He performed very well for the Broncos last year when given the opportunity and was the key reason they beat both San Diego and Dallas.

7) He has not had any major injuries/surgeries and their is still a lot of tread on the old tires. Had this toe problem not occured during camp, he would still be a Bronco and he'd probably have gotten the bulk of the carries for them.
 
SconnieGuy said:
I have seen just about every snap of Ron Dayne's career - both college and pro - and I can tell you that the Texans may have lucked out big time by getting him.

I went to Wisconsin and as a season ticket holder, I saw him in play in person at least 2 dozen times. I also get the NFL sunday ticket. Here are some things everyone should know:

1) Despite what some others have implied here, he is a great character guy. He has always put the team ahead of himself (which has ironically hurt his NFL career somewhat). Many people have perceived that lack of ego as lack of agressiveness.

2) He needs a bunch of carries to be effective, and he gets stronger and stronger as a game proceeds.

3)Yes, he had a very good O-line in college, but the majority of his yards also came after contact. If he gets through the line he has an amazing burst and great vision.

4) The Giants never knew what to do with him and they should have never drafted him. Tiki was considered to be a mediocre back at best until they drafted Dayne. Tiki continued to get better and better and their running scheme is built for a cutback type of runner. The Broncos and now the Texans use a zone blocking scheme which is exactly what Dayne flourished in during college. (Editor's note: Jim Fassell is a moran).

5) He is NOT a short-yardage/goaline only back. That's what the Giants tried to do with him. Every time he went in, the defense knew exactly what play they Giants were going to run. And, his pass catching ability is still an unknown. The Badgers never really passed to the RBs back then, and he hasn't played enough as a pro as an every down back to know.

6) He performed very well for the Broncos last year when given the opportunity and was the key reason they beat both San Diego and Dallas.

7) He has not had any major injuries/surgeries and their is still a lot of tread on the old tires. Had this toe problem not occured during camp, he would still be a Bronco and he'd probably have gotten the bulk of the carries for them.
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1.) Wouldn't disagree with that statement

2.) In this league, you better be effective from the jump or you'll soon be looking for a new career.

3.) When your first contact is a DB and you weigh 250lbs, you better be getting some serious YAC.

4.) Wouldn't disagree with that statement

5.) That’s what I keep saying. Lots of people are saying Dayne is going to be our short yardage/power back. He has never been that type of back.

6.) Agree

7.) If the reason the Broncos let him go is because of turf toe, did it magically get healed on the day he was waived? Is this not an injury that is going to linger all season long?


Nice first post, welcome
 
This will be a great post to come back and look over to see who supported the guy and who slammed the guy. I understand there is a lot of people who can not get over the fact that we passed on WR/KR Reggie Bush, and that is how I see him as, WR because he sucks as a RB so far this preseason. Dayne is now a Texan, and he gives us the needed depth at RB plus the experience factor is a big one. The best part about taking Dayne is that he can step in day one and understand the playbook with no problems. With this element, yea he is a great addition.
 
LCROD said:
2.) In this league, you better be effective from the jump or you'll soon be looking for a new career.


7.) If the reason the Broncos let him go is because of turf toe, did it magically get healed on the day he was waived? Is this not an injury that is going to linger all season long?


Nice first post, welcome
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Thanks for the welcome.

7) If it truly is turf toe, it may be an ongoing problem, but it sounded like it was more of a bad sprain (like it got stepped on after a tackle or something like that). I think the fact that he barely played just made him the odd man out this preseason. The other guys - to their credit - stepped up when they got their chance. Shanahan may be regretting it later though.

As for 2), that's pretty much what happened to Dayne. There are only a few backs that would have been great no matter where they played (Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, etc.), but I think success is often the result of being in the right place at the right time and in a system that works for a player's particular talents. Tike blew up at the worst time for Dayne, but that is to Tiki's credit.

Dayne may or may not ever be a great NFL back, but I'd like to see him get a legitmate shot. The NY fans were ruthless (no kidding, eh), and a lot of what was written or said about him in the past was just not accurate.

I'm glad to see former Badger Owen Daniels is doing well too. He is just a good athlete with great hands. He's an excellent route runner and was always a good blocker in college too.
 
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