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Dayne a Texan

Ok...after a few Shiner Bocks...i have this to say:
Overall..getting Dayne is a good move...BUT...i feel like the Texan fans were LIED TO with all the Kubiak quotes of Taylor over Smith being such a "tough decision" when they were planning to go for Dayne all along....
 
Cruuuuuuuz said:
i feel like the Texan fans were LIED TO with all the Kubiak quotes of Taylor over Smith being such a "tough decision" when they were planning to go for Dayne all along....
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Texans' fans OR other front offices? I have absolutely no problem with our coaching staff or front office telling us lies about what they're planning to do or doing with the players if they're doing it to get some strategic or tactical effect while dealing with other front offices.

It's like being in a war and journalists asking generals what their plans are. Do you really expect them to tell you everything that a spy somewhere is working hard to discover? Do you really want them to?
 
eh...my azz....Kubiak wasnt giving counter information via the media in hopes that Denver would let Dayne go....especially when he was prolly talking to Shanahan beside the scenes the whole time....he was just lying to to Texan fans...the whole time. Plain and simple. Smith and Taylor never had a chance...we had the first waiver pick...Kubiak coulda came clear and correct by just saying what they were gonna do....
I like Kubes dont get wrong...but dont lie to me brah.
 
Now that we've cut Taylor, what do y'all think the chances are of him getting picked up by another team, or do you think he'll make it through waivers and get put on the practice squad? Being an undrafted FA I would hope the other teams pass on him, but you never know! Sure hope he and Anderson make through the waiver wire. :poker:
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
I am not excited either...BUT, he does give us a power running option in short yardage/goal line situations. And at the very least, when he's in there on short yardage/goal line situations, he can provide us a great playaction pass opportunity. You gotta' stack the line when Dayne's in the backfield, to stop the run, on short yardage/goal line situations...and that adds an element of strategy to our team.
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The knock on Dayne has always been that he is neither a power nor short yardage back. He's built like one, but doesnt run like one.

Something that doesnt make sense, he's cut because he's not healthy (turf toe). But now its reported that he is healthy? Did he get healthy in the couple of hours he was a free agent?
 
LCROD said:
The knock on Dayne has always been that he is neither a power nor short yardage back. He's built like one, but doesnt run like one.
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ala Stacey Mack.:brickwall

Something I've grown to accept as truth over the last 4 years is that there is no need to carry the so called power back specialist, you just need somebody who runs hard, low to the ground and behind his pads.

But then agian I'd love to see Dayne become that 3 yard jack hammer.
 
TexanExile said:
A truly fine 1,000th post.

Any Shiner talk is good talk! :party:
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I didn't even pay attention. That was my 1,000th post?

Well kiss my grits....

That WAS a great post for being the 1,000th.

Thunderkyss: Grrrrrrrrrrreat comment about buying used rather than off the new car lot. Almost good enough to become my signature. But I gotta' stay with the one I have.
 
Rodman91 said:
I really hope the NY Giant Dayne shows up for week one.:wild:
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Hey, if the Texans show up resembling the Giants I am sure they will beat the Eagles since the Giants have been doing that lately.
 
LCROD said:
The knock on Dayne has always been that he is neither a power nor short yardage back. He's built like one, but doesnt run like one.

Something that doesnt make sense, he's cut because he's not healthy (turf toe). But now its reported that he is healthy? Did he get healthy in the couple of hours he was a free agent?
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1st part.. ala Wells

2nd part.. that caught my attention too.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
My new signature: "Kubiak can turn water into Shiner Bock."
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Heck, I turn Shinner into water all the time! Can I be the head coach now??? Nah, that's to much like real work.
 
We needed a veteran. Dayne knows the system and can step in immediately and contribute. I doubt this move really effects the depth chart at the top too much. If Morency and Lundy play well, they'll get most of the snaps. Ron Dayne isn't a great talent, but he'll do as a third string RB... don't you think?
 
Ron Dayne is a upgrade from both Smith and Taylor and he will be in the hunt for the starting role by week two. I think people are ridding this guy off way to soon. He is going to see this as a clean slate and he is now healthy from the turf toe. I think Dayne will give those guys a run for their money. The addition of Dayne makes our team so much better. Smith was slow and old and I only could have seen us keeping him for leadership role and maybe short yardage. Taylor is another rookie but he will get more attention next year. If Kubiak want dayne in here and he feels Dayne can do the job then hey I welcome the idea. Kubiak would not make this move if it were not a upgrade.
 
The Stronger the Depth The Stronger the Competition, The Stronger The Competition The Harder they Run, equals better run production... I like the move :poker:
 
Divebomb said:
Ron Dayne is a upgrade from both Smith and Taylor and he will be in the hunt for the starting role by week two. I think people are ridding this guy off way to soon. He is going to see this as a clean slate and he is now healthy from the turf toe. I think Dayne will give those guys a run for their money. The addition of Dayne makes our team so much better. Smith was slow and old and I only could have seen us keeping him for leadership role and maybe short yardage. Taylor is another rookie but he will get more attention next year. If Kubiak want dayne in here and he feels Dayne can do the job then hey I welcome the idea. Kubiak would not make this move if it were not a upgrade.
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In reply to the "Dayne will be in the hunt to start by week two" comment:

Dayne is reportedly signing for the league minimum on a one-year contract.

Frankly, if Kubiak felt he was starter material (as you believe he is) then I think we would have traded for Dayne to get him into camp.

My theory stands: He's a decoy, a guy we bring in on short yardage/goalline situations to either pound the ball or even better: To be a great decoy in the playaction passing game.


In reply to the "Dayne is an upgrade" comment:

He is NOT an upgrade. He is, IMO, a short yardage/goal line running back. Taylor will get on the PS, and Taylor will be activated if Lundy OR Morency goes down with an injury. And Dayne will still only smell a small percentage of reps.

Kubiak said this about Dayne: "He gives us a real bruiser," Kubiak said. "He can pound the ball. He's got more size than our other two. Because we're familiar with him, he can step right into our offense on Tuesday and know exactly what we're doing. At this point that's a tremendous advantage for us."

Sure, he might get some snaps along the way when it's not short yardage/goal line scenario...but those will be far and few between, and will come as a way to either ball control the clock or spell Lundy/Morency.

It's a nice pick-up for us, but I don't think he's "in the hunt" as a starter. And "Yes" anything can happen, but logistically he's a tactical weapon at-best.
 
I fail to see the negative in picking up Dayne. He gives us a veteran and a change of pace in the backfield, as well as a player who's already accustomed with our system. He's third on the depth chart so we won't be seeing him very often anyways, so what's the big deal?
 
blockhead83 said:
I fail to see the negative in picking up Dayne. He gives us a veteran and a change of pace in the backfield, as well as a player who's already accustomed with our system. He's third on the depth chart so we won't be seeing him very often anyways, so what's the big deal?
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I do, let me tell you something right now Mr. know-it-all. he is going to kill me in fantasy football. Now its three RBs!! In all seriousness I don't see the big deal either.
 
RiotCommander said:
I do, let me tell you something right now Mr. know-it-all. he is going to kill me in fantasy football. Now its three RBs!! In all seriousness I don't see the big deal either.
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Ahaha. And guess who picked him up from the FA in your League.... :shades:
 
I don't really know how I feel about us picking up Dayne. He is a texan so you have to love the guy, but he has been nothing but a disappointment since he entered the league. Maybe Kubiak will know what to do with this guy and can get us the back that he was in college.
 
Divebomb said:
Ron Dayne is a upgrade from both Smith and Taylor and he will be in the hunt for the starting role by week two. I think people are ridding this guy off way to soon. He is going to see this as a clean slate and he is now healthy from the turf toe. I think Dayne will give those guys a run for their money. The addition of Dayne makes our team so much better. Smith was slow and old and I only could have seen us keeping him for leadership role and maybe short yardage. Taylor is another rookie but he will get more attention next year. If Kubiak want dayne in here and he feels Dayne can do the job then hey I welcome the idea. Kubiak would not make this move if it were not a upgrade.
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I don't think he'll be in the hunt to start by only the 2nd week of the season. I'm sure Lundy and Morency will get more than two weeks too prove that they can succeed in this new system. Now if they both combine for only 70 yards or so (which is doubtful), then Dayne may get a look at significant playing time. Other than that, I doubt we'll see him get more than 5-8 touches a game.
 
tburdette said:
I don't really know how I feel about us picking up Dayne. He is a texan so you have to love the guy, but he has been nothing but a disappointment since he entered the league. Maybe Kubiak will know what to do with this guy and can get us the back that he was in college.
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Let me settle your fears:

I watched him early on in NY: He was awful.

I watched him last season when he was with Denver: He is picking up some steam, making some pretty good runs here and there compared to all the previous seasons where he looked like a bust.

Kubiak calls him "A bruiser," a guy who can "Pound the ball," and IMO he will be a tactical weapon we use in certain situations.

I seriously doubt he was brough in by Kubiak to compete for the starting job...reports are in that he is signing a one-year deal for league minimum. That's a good indicator (IMO) that he's an experimental addition and we're not wrapping up long-term dollars/contract figures in Dayne.

Does that make you feel better? :dance:
 
Wow, all my draft picks are coming of value. First Morency, then Stallworth, now Ron Dayne. Next up: Cedric Cobbs :)
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
I am not excited either...BUT, he does give us a power running option in short yardage/goal line situations. And at the very least, when he's in there on short yardage/goal line situations, he can provide us a great playaction pass opportunity. You gotta' stack the line when Dayne's in the backfield, to stop the run, on short yardage/goal line situations...and that adds an element of strategy to our team.

I think Kubiak brought him in for a limited role: Decoy. Secondarily, he can run the ball with more authority than he had proven earlier in his career. Dayne, IMO, was partially a victim of the Denver RB system which produces about 12 RBs each year that they have to whittle down to 2 or 3.

Again, he's not a gamebreaker...but he provides us with a decoy option on the playaction pass, which is a huge element of the Shanahan/Kubiak system where you run bootlegs and playaction a lot. Lots of misdirection.

When you think about it, the great teams kill you with the psychology of misdirection: When Moose, Irvin, Emmitt, Novacek, and Harper lined up...which one gets the ball in short yardage/ goal line situations? Answer: Any dang one of them, and it's because the defense cannot cover all of them and it creates an open man somewhere. Pittsburgh last year had guys who could take a pitch and throw a deep pass to a WR for a long TD. Brady had offensive linemen/d-linemen who doubled as "Eligible receivers" and it gave defenses fits. I'm telling you guys and gals: The element of having a guy like Dayne, even if he's a little one-dimentional, will prove to be worthy of at least a one-year deal.

Just because Denver released the guy doesn't mean he's worthless. They are saturated with RBs.
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The one thing that you left out of the equation on the teams you've mentioned is that they commonly used the long ball to keep the defenses honest...................so far in the preseason, Carr has "hidden" the long ball from his receivers.

Although I'm not sure that Smith was not a more consistent/reliable short yardage bull runner and greater threat than Dayne, Dayne will likely be a very regrettable alternative if the Texans are "hoping" that his turf toe will not be an issue........and from recent reports, Dayne has admitted that it is still bothering him.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The one thing that you left out of the equation on the teams you've mentioned is that they commonly used the long ball to keep the defenses honest...................so far in the preseason, Carr has "hidden" the long ball from his receivers.

Although I'm not sure that Smith was not a more consistent/reliable short yardage bull runner and greater threat than Dayne, Dayne will likely be a very regrettable alternative if the Texans are "hoping" that his turf toe will not be an issue........and from recent reports, Dayne has admitted that it is still bothering him.
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Dayne is injury prone and a bust. If he couldn't make it in Denver because of turf toe, he won't make it in Houston.

:cowboy1: :fireball: :logo:
 
"Nice....not thrilling...but nice."

For those of you "History of the World" fans out there, it is probably not a treasure bath, but it isn't bad.

I had been hoping Stephen Davis, but his health is in question too. He is what he is....a waiver pickup. He can be a benefit in short yardage and he is in better shape than when he was with NYG.

Won't hurt. Hopefully will help.
 
learn to trust Kubiak and his coaches. This is not Capers (Mr. we were tied at one point in the game, so we were in it). Have you ever thought that these may not be Denver rejects as much as guys telling Shannahan that they would like to play for Kubiak and the Texans. Kubiak is well respected and these guys might be requesting their way here. It could be possible that Denver doesn't completely need these guys, so why not help a guy that has served your team so well.

Get behind your Texans for at least 5 games people. Quit hating and second guessiing for a little while.:yahoo:
 
"Get behind your Texans for at least 5 games people. Quit hating and second guessiing for a little while."

Well, many will jump off after the beating the Eagles hand out in 6 days...
 
ItsAJtime said:
learn to trust Kubiak and his coaches. This is not Capers (Mr. we were tied at one point in the game, so we were in it). Have you ever thought that these may not be Denver rejects as much as guys telling Shannahan that they would like to play for Kubiak and the Texans. Kubiak is well respected and these guys might be requesting their way here. It could be possible that Denver doesn't completely need these guys, so why not help a guy that has served your team so well.

Get behind your Texans for at least 5 games people. Quit hating and second guessiing for a little while.:yahoo:
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I disagree. Kubiak has done a terrific job to date and this signing does not put us over the top or set us back. It is transaction that takes up one of the last roster spots for a one position player (no ST for Dayne). Character, weight and lack of success running the ball have been the hallmarks of this player in the NFL. Outside of playing for the Broncos and knowing the ZBS for one year I still do not see any value in this player to this team today.
 
Rodman91 said:
Ron Dayne is washed up. If he couldn't make it in Denver, he will make it NOWHERE!

:cowboy1:
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that seals it, he will be GREAT. Eagles are ones who signed TO, so they know NOTHING about talent....LMAO
 
nunusguy said:
I dunno, but guess we'll have to trust Kubiak on this one because I've heard a lot of people say that Dayne, in spite of his size, "is not" a hard runner ?
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Yep. Imagine if a mad scientist transplanted Barry Sanders' brain into Jerome Bettis' body. That's the way Ron Dayne runs.
 
brncoz1fan said:
I heard Texans are picking up QB Van Pelt too from Denver
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I am sure that Kubiak would love to have him here, but will have a problem fitting him in.

It seems to be the trend to carry only two QBs.

I won't be suprised if he finds a way though.

:coffee:
 
SM19 said:
Yep. Imagine if a mad scientist transplanted Barry Sanders' brain into Jerome Bettis' body. That's the way Ron Dayne runs.
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Using two hall of famers to decribe the way Dayne runs is not fitting. To me, he is just a more talented Jon Wells.
 
Sorry if someone covered this on this thread or somewhere else... but can he block, pick up the blitz, etc. and can he catch the ball? Seems that with his size and experience he might be a good at picking up blitzes and if he can catch as a saftey valve, this could be a good pickup for us.

Sidenote: I would love it if he decides to play to potential this year and out performs Reggie. :yikes: Yeah, I know, fat chance, but I still like to dream.
 
SM19 said:
Yep. Imagine if a mad scientist transplanted Barry Sanders' brain into Jerome Bettis' body. That's the way Ron Dayne runs.
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i'm sorry, i know it's your first post and everything, but that's a terrible analogy.
 
Come on Texans!! Dayne is not "prone" to injuries. He recovered from turf toe by the Arizona game and yet to find any other injury in his past. He has an unbelievable amount of fans pulling for him. I was hoping he would have had the chance here to make up for all the negative people out there. Since Elway and T. Davis have been gone and the memories of our last Super Bowl win have been fading Dayne could have been a new "feel good" story. Now I find myself on a Texans board even though I have been a DIEHARD Broncos fan for 26 years. I am telling you watch any game footage with Dayne and yes it is limited but the guy doesn't fumble and gets it done. It seems more and more in the NFL that defenses are leaner, quicker and more athletic and tougher for smaller, quicker RBs to get through, especially to break out into any long runs. I am really hoping within in the next months that MasterMind Shanny is once again shaking his head for letting another great RB go. The guy is a quiet, humble man off the field and you won't be hearing about any crazy drama in his personal life. This guy has been so underused in the NFL and has played so little that even though he is 28 he has some good years left on him. Doesn't faith and hope exist anymore amongst football fans? Or have we all grown up and find it easier to be negative and pessimistic. Goodness I hate to say this and hope I don't get busted by anyone from the Bronco Boards but wouldn't it be something if the Houston Texans actully made it to the Super Bowl.
 
brncoz1fan said:
Come on Texans!! Dayne is not "prone" to injuries. He recovered from turf toe by the Arizona game and yet to find any other injury in his past. He has an unbelievable amount of fans pulling for him. I was hoping he would have had the chance here to make up for all the negative people out there. Since Elway and T. Davis have been gone and the memories of our last Super Bowl win have been fading Dayne could have been a new "feel good" story. Now I find myself on a Texans board even though I have been a DIEHARD Broncos fan for 26 years. I am telling you watch any game footage with Dayne and yes it is limited but the guy doesn't fumble and gets it done. (#1)..It seems more and more in the NFL that defenses are leaner, quicker and more athletic and tougher for smaller, quicker RBs to get through, especially to break out into any long runs. I am really hoping within in the next months that MasterMind Shanny is once again shaking his head for letting another great RB go. (#2)..The guy is a quiet, humble man off the field and you won't be hearing about any crazy drama in his personal life. This guy has been so underused in the NFL and has played so little that even though he is 28 he has some good years left on him. (#3)..Doesn't faith and hope exist anymore amongst football fans? Or have we all grown up and find it easier to be negative and pessimistic. Goodness I hate to say this and hope I don't get busted by anyone from the Bronco Boards but wouldn't it be something if the Houston Texans actully made it to the Super Bowl.
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Point 1..Exactly what the pro Mario vs. Bush posters on this board have been proclaiming since the draft.

Point 2..It has been a trademark of the Texans to place a premium on character. Unlike our rivals to the north, we will not compromise our principles.

Point 3..The sky has been falling for at least two years around here. It's really a micro-wave society now. Must... have... instant... results.
(I've been hit by a few chunks of sky myself)

I think most fans gravitate toward a favorite player or two.

I hated to see Seth Wand let go. I think the guy was fighting hard to overcome a serious lack of coaching since he got here.

We will make it to the super bowl. ..:yahoo:

Maybe not this year..but real soon. :trophy:

:twocents:

Good post, come back anytime.


:coffee:
 
To those who are willing to give Dayne a chance. You are going to have to ignore a lot of people. Most of the media has written him off long ago as a bust. Much like they write off our team. The guy has been signed as a Texan, and how ever much I may not like the idea I will cheer for him while he is here.


The thing that gives me hope is Kubiak has gotten to see the guy last year in Denver so he obviously knows what he is getting. Its not a knee jerk reaction. He has done so many things right why doubt him now?


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