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Davis Tracking for Over 1,200
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
keyfro said:
Well that certainly got a following.
How about this though--according to that standard ZERO RB's have arrived over the last two years. 5 backs reached 1500 yds in 2004, none of them were 1500 yd backs in 2003. But what about prior to that? 6 backs reached 1500 yds in 2003, two of them were 1500 yd backs in 2002. One of those was Portis who clearly was a back in an ideal system or he wouldn't have made it on his own. 4 backs reached 1500 yds in 2002, only one reached 1500 yds in 2001 (Holmes)--only 2 backs reached 1500 yds in 2001. I guess only LT has arrived as a RB.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
run-david-run said:
Right next to my statement that Davis always gains around 1,100 yards I should have added that Davis always misses a couple of games because that's automatic too and will always provide people with the "what if" scenario to use in discussions like this one.
Taking the games Davis didn't play in and working up what his numbers "woulda, coulda, shoulda" been is an excercise in futility because the day that Davis starts 16 games and is, for the most part healthy for all of them will never come. There will always be a game or two missing that would have been the game where he got the yards to make a difference.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
tulexan said:
Well evidently there is only 1 elite RB in the league right now then if you are talking about repeat, much less consistant performance. Pretty silly to set the elite status at a level which has never been achieved for 3 years running, IMO.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
infantrycak said:
There is a time and place for that and it is called College Station.
Thank you I will be here all night.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Kaiser Toro said:There is a time and place for that and it is called College Station.
Hey now--he was just helping that sheep across the fence.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
infantrycak said:
I see what you're saying but I have to think that not every "elite" player is going to have an "elite" season every year. In any given year there are usually only a couple of backs for whom everything falls into place and they perform well enough to be at the top of the rushing stats. I think the capability of busting out 1,500 yards and doing it at least once and preferably a couple of times is kind of the sign of an elite RB.
A franchise back I would accept as being able to generate that 1,280-1,300 yards on a regular basis. This should be expected out of these backs.
Beneath that group you find the guys who are legitimate starters. They're the group that Davis fits in with. Get you a thousand yards, stay healthy most of the year, and contribute to the team. Some of them have long careers and some of them only have a season or two before they're replaced but the one thing these guys have in common is that they are always going to be the object of talks just like this one. Every time their team looks to be within a whiff of being able to upgrade their position this exact debate is going to start among their fans.
Fans of teams with elite backs just live in fear that their star is someday going to retire or their team will let them walk (the dreaded "retired as a Cardinal" picture pops up). Fans of teams with franchise backs just hope that the guys career lasts long enough to make some good runs at a Super Bowl and that the team assembles enough of a team around him to get it done.
Fans with teams starting servicable running backs just look with envy at the guys on top. Even if they're winning they secretly crave an upper tier running back. Sure the Patriots won a Super Bowl with Antowain Smith. It didn't stop them from getting Corey Dillon's name on a contract when they had the chance though did it? Of course it didn't and nor should the presence of Domanick Davis stop the Texans from drafting Reggie Bush if they think he really is a once every ten years kind of talent.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Hervoyel said:
Much more reasonable standard IMO. The only caveat I would have here is as with everything else the team around the player has to be judged for positive or negative influence. For example, it is pretty clear now that Portis was not the be all and end all on any team--just on the Broncos. Elsewhere he is a franchise RB.
Folks get me wrong on DD. I agree he is a solid RB who if the timing/cap/draft issues align can and should be upgraded. On the other hand, IMO the he sucks crowd urge to run him down in order to justify upgrading him is silly. May be a complete misjudgment on my part, but I don't see the once in a decade RB in Bush. When I look at LT run I see a great RB. When I see Bush run, I see a great open field runner--particularly in the man among men context of college ball. Open field runner and RB aren't the same position IMO. Plus there is the cap. But that has been discussed elsewhere.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
infantrycak said:
Good stuff. Since we are already knee deep in this rathole, I thought I would just throw it on the table that Adrian Peterson is the best back I have seen in a long time.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
infantrycak said:
Oh absolutely I agree with that.
An offense is either going to run or throw the ball when it's snapped and they had damned sure better be able to do one or the other with enough proficiency that they can "likely" advance the ball on any given play. Either you're a running team first or a passing team first. Used to be that everyone went by the "rule" that you had to establish the run to "open up" the pass though I don't know what in the world that meant because plenty of teams do the exact opposite of that.
Regardless I look at the Texans and I see that they are nowhere near being able to pass at will on other teams. On the other hand they can run some and when the line is playing well (which should be something of a constant by this point but that's a rant about Capers & Co. for another thread) they can run Davis for well over a hundred yards. I've been as guilty as anyone of saying that defenses "give" Davis his yards and that's not really fair. It's not like they're spotting him 5 yards before they bother to try and bring him down or anything like that. He runs hard and the line run blocks well.
I see Bush in that same scenario and I think we've got a team that can run first and open up the pass. I see Bush in DD's place and I see a running game that's far more dangerous than anything we've had up until now.
It's all about whether the Texans see that though. they'll probably trade down, twice, and draft another DE soon to be OLB from Eastern West Idaho Potato College or something and collect a half dozen 3rd round picks in the process (all in next years draft) that Charlie will trade away for various malcontents and underachievers who just need better coaching up to be all they can be.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
Don't you think there must be something to Bush if everyone is saying that he has the potential to be one of the greatest? Not just USC fans or other fans in general, but people who really know football (former players, scouts, coaches) everyone is saying that he is going to be a highly productive professional player. I haven't heard any experts say that he will not succeed because he can't run inside. I also don't believe that he will never be able to run inside. He has improved every single year and is really working on his inside running.
Davis is a good serviceable back, but are you telling me that if you had the choice between Dominack Davis and Reggie Bush you would pick Dominack Davis? I know it would be a lot of money at one position, but if you think of it as him playing multiple positions you are spreading the hit across the board. Let's say he makes about $8 million a year (which i don't think he will). You could say that $4 million is for RB, $3 million is for WR, and $1 million is for PR.
Davis is a good serviceable back, but are you telling me that if you had the choice between Dominack Davis and Reggie Bush you would pick Dominack Davis? I know it would be a lot of money at one position, but if you think of it as him playing multiple positions you are spreading the hit across the board. Let's say he makes about $8 million a year (which i don't think he will). You could say that $4 million is for RB, $3 million is for WR, and $1 million is for PR.
MorKnolle
All Pro
Aside from arguing the "everyone thinks he'll be great" because you can always find someone that won't, as a #1 pick in the draft Bush is most likely going to get a 5 year, $45 million or so contract, even if the base salary is backloaded he will earn at least $7 million his first year, and I would not want my franchise RB/WR, whatever he is on full-time punt return where he is more likely to get hurt. Maybe that's just me though.
JDizzle
I'm a dude
tulexan said:
That's what you call hype. I'm not sure if you roamed the boards 2 years ago, but there was a similar over-hyping going on with Sean Taylor. You'd hear comparisons to Ronnie Lott and Steve Atwater constantly. Only then everyone wanted to trade "whatever it took" in order to move up. We ended up drafting D-Rob and tossing the rest of our 1st day picks away on an unproductive OLB. Go figure.
Texas_Thrill
Veteran
I was a Sean Taylorite and I admit am much happier with DROB but that's hindsight. Playing wise Sean Taylor has been a very good safety just the offfield u have to watch out for. Whooooo shot ya. lol
I think having two good backs would benefit us well honestly. I mean it would allow us a lot of flexibility on offense with formations and such.
But honestly can we really even decide on this until we figure out who are coach is going to be. I mean if we get a light up the scoreboard kind of coach then bush makes sense. If we get a grind it out bill cowher type then ferguson makes more sense and keep the DD, J wells combo.
We are getting way ahead of ourselves when we don't know what kind of coach or philosophy he wants to mold the team into.
I think having two good backs would benefit us well honestly. I mean it would allow us a lot of flexibility on offense with formations and such.
But honestly can we really even decide on this until we figure out who are coach is going to be. I mean if we get a light up the scoreboard kind of coach then bush makes sense. If we get a grind it out bill cowher type then ferguson makes more sense and keep the DD, J wells combo.
We are getting way ahead of ourselves when we don't know what kind of coach or philosophy he wants to mold the team into.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
infantrycak said:
Exactly. That's where I am at with this. Wish it were a only a 64K question.
Really interested to see how Bush plays against Texas.
DD had a really nice game last week. Agree with the posters that say that you can like DD but still can be interested in what Bush can do for you.
MorKnolle
All Pro
Texas_Thrill said:
Actually if we got a truly-Cowher type that wanted to grind it out on the run, Ferguson would not be the best choice because he isn't that good of a run blocker, he's more of a pure pass-blocker. Someone like Winston, McNeil, Joseph, or one of the other, bigger OL would be a better choice in that case.
PapaL
Loose Screw
We also have to remember here that Bush could end pulling a Willis McGahee and get injured in the championship game. While chances are good he will come out, not certain yet. Were we not suppose to draft Willis instead on AJ had it not been for the injury? So who would you prefer Willis or DD?
rafterticket
Waterboy
HardKnockTexan said:
DD reminds me of Emmitt Smith. I am not saying he is the heir apparrent to the rushing record - just saying his style and speed are similar. Also, no one really thought he was the guy early in his career, either. Emmitt had to hold out the second year the Cowboys beat Buffalo to get the contract he deserved.
Put a great line and a decent TE in front of DD, and he could be amazing. Right now he's only darn good.
This thread is such a load of horse ****.
Edgerrin James longest run this season is 33 yards.
Thomas Jones is 42
Rudi Johnson is 26
Willis McGahee is 27
Julius Jones is 25
LaMont Jordan is 26
Deuce MacAllister is 26
Priest Holmes is 35
Brian Westbrook is 31
and Domanick Davis' longest was 44 yards.. not 29.
Davis is ranked as 12th in the league with an average of 20.8 carries a game for 83.7 yards.
You people are incredible.. seriously. You dont think our lack of a passing game has an effect on the number of long runs Davis gets? How often do we go down field? almost never. Carr has NO time in the pocket... which means he has NO time to throw for 20+ yards.. which means the opposing defense has no reason to drop back.. which means that Davis isnt gonna get many 20+ yard carries. Elementary freakin logic.
Comparing him to Tiki Barber? Barber is great.. and he does have better break away speed.. but Davis has better cut back ability..better power running.. and is better at breaking tackles. And how many TDs did Davis have last year?
WE...DO...NOT...NEED...A...NEW..RB... the only reason to take Bush is if you subscribe to the idea that he will be one of the greatest RBs of all time, and so you cant afford NOT to take him. I dont beleive that. I think he COULD be great.. or he COULD be a bust.. or..most likely..he will be a pretty good RB but not the best.
This whole "he doesnt have break away speed" is just a BAD excuse to try and get the player you are convinced will be the second coming of jesus christ. Davis gets yards.. he may not get them in 70 yard chunks..but he gets em well enough..and will do even better when we have a passing game.
I am absolutely amazed that Houston Texan "fans" would turn on one of our best and hardest working players because they have a man crush on a college player. Im not one to point fingers and claim other people arent "real" fans.. but its real hard not to in this case. Davis has worked damn hard for us and has gotten better EVERY SEASON.. he has never had an ego, or a bad attitude.. he is exactly the kind of player that you WANT on your team.. a hard worker who makes plays and understands its about the team, not the individual.
Come draft day.. I think we would do alot better for ourselves by trading down a few spots to someone who needs Bush.. pick up a couple more first day picks... and grab ourselves an elite LT.
The man-love for Taylor was bad..and the worshipping of Derrick Johnson was annoying.. but the difference then was that we were looking at elite college prospects to fill a weakness in our team.. this Bush crud is just unforgivable. After the effort that Davis has put into this team.. if we replace him now when we have SO MANY more important needs.. I hope he leaves the first chance he gets. That would just be a knife in his back from our organization... it shows a complete lack of loyalty towards our players. We are supposed to be a classy organization that takes care of, and is loyal, to our players... that would go completely against that.
That would just be unforgivable.. id be so disgusted with our front office if that happened.
Edgerrin James longest run this season is 33 yards.
Thomas Jones is 42
Rudi Johnson is 26
Willis McGahee is 27
Julius Jones is 25
LaMont Jordan is 26
Deuce MacAllister is 26
Priest Holmes is 35
Brian Westbrook is 31
and Domanick Davis' longest was 44 yards.. not 29.
Davis is ranked as 12th in the league with an average of 20.8 carries a game for 83.7 yards.
You people are incredible.. seriously. You dont think our lack of a passing game has an effect on the number of long runs Davis gets? How often do we go down field? almost never. Carr has NO time in the pocket... which means he has NO time to throw for 20+ yards.. which means the opposing defense has no reason to drop back.. which means that Davis isnt gonna get many 20+ yard carries. Elementary freakin logic.
Comparing him to Tiki Barber? Barber is great.. and he does have better break away speed.. but Davis has better cut back ability..better power running.. and is better at breaking tackles. And how many TDs did Davis have last year?
WE...DO...NOT...NEED...A...NEW..RB... the only reason to take Bush is if you subscribe to the idea that he will be one of the greatest RBs of all time, and so you cant afford NOT to take him. I dont beleive that. I think he COULD be great.. or he COULD be a bust.. or..most likely..he will be a pretty good RB but not the best.
This whole "he doesnt have break away speed" is just a BAD excuse to try and get the player you are convinced will be the second coming of jesus christ. Davis gets yards.. he may not get them in 70 yard chunks..but he gets em well enough..and will do even better when we have a passing game.
I am absolutely amazed that Houston Texan "fans" would turn on one of our best and hardest working players because they have a man crush on a college player. Im not one to point fingers and claim other people arent "real" fans.. but its real hard not to in this case. Davis has worked damn hard for us and has gotten better EVERY SEASON.. he has never had an ego, or a bad attitude.. he is exactly the kind of player that you WANT on your team.. a hard worker who makes plays and understands its about the team, not the individual.
Come draft day.. I think we would do alot better for ourselves by trading down a few spots to someone who needs Bush.. pick up a couple more first day picks... and grab ourselves an elite LT.
The man-love for Taylor was bad..and the worshipping of Derrick Johnson was annoying.. but the difference then was that we were looking at elite college prospects to fill a weakness in our team.. this Bush crud is just unforgivable. After the effort that Davis has put into this team.. if we replace him now when we have SO MANY more important needs.. I hope he leaves the first chance he gets. That would just be a knife in his back from our organization... it shows a complete lack of loyalty towards our players. We are supposed to be a classy organization that takes care of, and is loyal, to our players... that would go completely against that.
That would just be unforgivable.. id be so disgusted with our front office if that happened.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
How many touchdowns does Davis have?
Our workhorse needs to be getting into the endzone and this year he is showing that he can't do it. Dominack Davis is a good running back. I'm not saying that we should get rid of him, I think that our team could use another playmaker because we have such an anemic offense. Luckily for us we are at the top of the draft right now and have a chance to get one of the best playmakers to enter the draft in several years. I think both Davis and Bush would benefit from playing with each other and we would have the chance to have one of the best running attacks in the NFL (especially if Kubiak is our coach).
Our workhorse needs to be getting into the endzone and this year he is showing that he can't do it. Dominack Davis is a good running back. I'm not saying that we should get rid of him, I think that our team could use another playmaker because we have such an anemic offense. Luckily for us we are at the top of the draft right now and have a chance to get one of the best playmakers to enter the draft in several years. I think both Davis and Bush would benefit from playing with each other and we would have the chance to have one of the best running attacks in the NFL (especially if Kubiak is our coach).
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
tulexan said:
This is the kind of statement that just looks like someone bashing DD to justify another play, say maybe drafting Bush, or at least ignoring reality wilfully. DD has 2 TD's this year on the ground (plus 3 in the air). AJ has one TD--does that prove he can't do it? Hey, Bradford has 3, maybe the Texans should promote him to #1 because he has proven more than anyone else on the team that he can do it. Seriously, try taking a slight step back from the active bashing campaign and looking back to just last year where the O as a whole functioned semi-decently and you find DD tied for 4th most rushing TD's by a RB last year.
infantrycak said:
I sure miss that offense we ran last year, and I admit that I was all for mixing in some 3 and 5 step drop type pass plays this year. I didn't realize how good we had it then.
Last year we could run and pass adequately during the same game in a lot of cases. We thought it was boring and predictable then, but look what we have now. Now we damn near celebrate if we get a rare 100 yards rushing from an RB, throw 2 deep balls a game, or score more than two touchdowns. What was our net passing yards in that game against Indy this year - 6 or 8 yards or something? But we did cut down on sacks that game - we're improving!
Could it be that part of Palmer's problem this year is that he was made to change away from his offense and install something he wasn't comfortable with? Apparently our players aren't comfortable with it either.
To think we did all this to protect the QB, who was then getting sacked at a record pace the first few games this year. Now we've castrated the offense in the name of max protect and are still nowhere near what we were last year.
This post isn't to place blame on any unit or player on the field for this season's debacle on offense. The problems are obviously deeper than that.
Now somebody may break out some stats and "prove" we haven't regressed, but it seems the old saying is true, even for a pro football offense - absence makes the heart grow fonder.
we i'm going to offer a scenario which is the main reason i am all for the texans selecting reggie bush...you have carr under center...bush and davis split in pro formation...two receivers one tight end...ok...the defense crowds the line of scrimage...so carr seeing this audibles and reggie bush takes off to the slot...and davis lines up behind carr...in this scenario we still have a really good runningback back there to run the ball if the defense changes into a pass defense...or we have bush in the slot who is just as good as a reciever as he is a runningback where carr can easily to a quick slant to him and watch him do his thing
we could even trade up and get Adrian Peterson.. line him up at TE.. then we put in Wells at QB, Morency at Center, Hollings at WR... grab a few more RBs this year and throw them out there too.. that way we can insure that we always have the ball in an RBs hands.. making it veritably impossible for us not to score a touchdown on every play.
OR.. we can just get some freaking Olinemen for once and try having a FULLY functioning offense. Its crazy...but it just might work.
OR.. we can just get some freaking Olinemen for once and try having a FULLY functioning offense. Its crazy...but it just might work.
MorKnolle
All Pro
tulexan said:
How many times has the offense been in a position to score, and when there how many times have they given Davis a legitimate chance at scoring a TD? Drafting Bush isn't going to mean we will magically have two 50+ TDs every game just because he's fast. Look how many wildly fast WRs the Saints have (Donte Stallworth, Devery Henderson, Michael Lewis, Az-Zahir Hakim, not to mention Joe Horn in there too) and look how little they score when they have no OL to block for a running game or protect the QB and when their defense can't get off the field to give the ball back to their offense?
tulexan
Hall of Fame
The Saints have their own issues. They have a bad quarterback, Donte Stallworth has never lived up to his potential and doesn't have good hands, the Beer Man is starting to get a little old and is like a Dante Hall (good return man but not a great receiver), Az Hakim had one good year in his career (1999 with the Rams, but who didn't) and is a #3 receiver at best, Devery Henderson doesn't get to play much because he is in the same boat as Az Hakim, and Joe Horn is a route running WR not really a speed guy. They also don't have Deuce McAlister playing this year who is by far their best player.
I would say that the Texans haven't really had a problem moving the ball, but once they get to the red zone or just outside of the red zone, they can't capitalize on the short field. That is why we have so many field goals. They don't have any playmakers besides Andre Johnson that can spread the defense out and open the field up. This is where a playaction would be really good because if we had someone who the defense would bite on playactions for, it would open up our slot receivers and allow us to move the ball easier. That is a big factor in the Colts success. They use the playaction more than anyone. I'm sure Dominack is a great guy and a model team player, but this is a business and when you have a chance to upgrade to a player who is much better than what you currently have and are in need of another play maker, then you take him no questions asked.
There are three things that you can do, 1) trade Dominack Davis for what ever you can get for him, take the cap hit because next year is another rebuilding year anyways. 2) keep Davis and trade him next season because 2007 is an uncapped year due to the CBA. 3) keep Davis and have a good one-two punch of Davis and Bush.
I would say that the Texans haven't really had a problem moving the ball, but once they get to the red zone or just outside of the red zone, they can't capitalize on the short field. That is why we have so many field goals. They don't have any playmakers besides Andre Johnson that can spread the defense out and open the field up. This is where a playaction would be really good because if we had someone who the defense would bite on playactions for, it would open up our slot receivers and allow us to move the ball easier. That is a big factor in the Colts success. They use the playaction more than anyone. I'm sure Dominack is a great guy and a model team player, but this is a business and when you have a chance to upgrade to a player who is much better than what you currently have and are in need of another play maker, then you take him no questions asked.
There are three things that you can do, 1) trade Dominack Davis for what ever you can get for him, take the cap hit because next year is another rebuilding year anyways. 2) keep Davis and trade him next season because 2007 is an uncapped year due to the CBA. 3) keep Davis and have a good one-two punch of Davis and Bush.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
rmartin65 said:
Signed,
Blair Thomas, Darrell Thompson, Steve Broussard, Rodney Hampton and Dexter Carter.
not fast enough my ***.
this speed issue is being blown WAY WAY WAY out of proportion. His speed is GOOD ENOUGH... the important thing is that he gets good yardage.. if he is a good RB he will get in the endzone either way.
You give him a good passing attack to keep the defense honest.. and he may not wow you with 70 yard runs.. but he will pick up great yardage with his cutback ability, and his power running.
screw speed.. ill take tried and true positive yardage.
this speed issue is being blown WAY WAY WAY out of proportion. His speed is GOOD ENOUGH... the important thing is that he gets good yardage.. if he is a good RB he will get in the endzone either way.
You give him a good passing attack to keep the defense honest.. and he may not wow you with 70 yard runs.. but he will pick up great yardage with his cutback ability, and his power running.
screw speed.. ill take tried and true positive yardage.
R
real
Guest
speed this speed that...look DD is mediocre and his stats show it...he's 15th in rushing which is is about..mediocre....he's averaging 4.0 yards per carry...mediocre...in the top 15 there is only one player averaging less than he and that is lamont jordan....
R
real
Guest
are you saying DD is equal to or better than LT......
no i didn't think you were...who is dd equal to ? how many starting running backs is he better than ? or as good as ? ...Look DD is average... he's not better or as good as many starting running backs...there are some backups that would give him a run for his money...
no i didn't think you were...who is dd equal to ? how many starting running backs is he better than ? or as good as ? ...Look DD is average... he's not better or as good as many starting running backs...there are some backups that would give him a run for his money...
mean mark8
Waterboy
I'm sorry but do you really think any defensive coordinators really need to gameplan for anyone or anything in regards to the Texans offense? Here's the gameplan: stop the run to the left, stop the 7 yard out or 7 yard slant pattern, and stop the rollout to the right by Carr. My 4 year-old can come up with a defensive "gameplan" to shut down our O. Don't blame DD for the stupidity of our offensive scheme, all 4 plays of it.Wolf said:
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Wolf said:
All evidence to the contrary this year. If the passing game was not dysfunctional, yes every team would game plan AJ (of course this year it is and most teams have game planned DD, not AJ)--shocker, he is a #3 overall pick and in anything but a dysfunctional O should be a top 3 AFC WR every year. That means every single team is going to game plan against him unless the Texans get a top 1 or 2 rusher. So let's say they do--does that make AJ an average WR because teams are now focusing on the RB?--of course not. Balanced, overall effective O wins games.
Wolf
100% Texan
I give ya that on our playcalling, but a 7 yard slant to AJ can turn into a TD.. AJ is a gamebreaker ... DD isn't and teams know that.
I personally .. when I see DD with the ball don't get the feeling that he can take it to the distance.. with AJ I do get that feeling that something special can happen
I personally .. when I see DD with the ball don't get the feeling that he can take it to the distance.. with AJ I do get that feeling that something special can happen
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Wolf said:
AJ is a potential/underutilized star, but teams worry about DD when playing the Texans. Over three years--AJ 11 TD's, DD 27 TD's. Doesn't take away from AJ (he is vastly underutilized), but reality is teams are much more likely to get beat by DD.
Wolf
100% Texan
you may be absolutely right on that.. but I have a feeling teams look at the texans and say " who will beat us" and it is AJ so they double AJ and know they can single coverage DD in the flats and he isn't going to beat us.. for 2 years I have felt that teams "give" us that option .. knowing Carr looks to AJ and immediately dumps to DD.. I just think they give us DD because his YAC couldn't compare to AJ .. AJ can break it open..infantrycak said:
I am thinking more of the lines of who can be a superstar if utilized correctly and who (and nothing taking away from them) is making the most out of their talents (and OL)