SBTexans08
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David Givens a FA this off-season, what are you thoughts?
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Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I like Givens as a player. However, WR is not an immediate need in my opinion.
SBTexans08
Rookie
Spoda said:
That's one thing I don't like from what I see out of the Texans (ex-coaching staff really). They play their guys dependant on how much they were paying each guy at their respective position. It would be great and the most sound thing to do to let Mathis beat out Givens or any other WR for that spot. That makes the player hungrier, more competitive and eventually ends up being their work ethic....something that's evidently missing in this team IMO. In the end....the Texans put the best player out in the field.
For instance.....Bradford with all his drops.....they should have sat him out or let another player who looked to have more desire and will to help the team out play in his position. I look at the Armstrong/Gaffney deal as well. Gaffney would screw around a lot and we all know that Armstrong is a fantastic, sure-handed, money type route-runner from what we've seen and if Gaffney was slipping up.......Armstrong should have been put in there, no matter how much the Texans had paid for Gaffney!!
I see other teams put their best player on the field, after each player has earned their roster spot or rank in the depth chart.....not because one is paid more than the other. Hopefully under Kubiak....that's how things will be done.
HardCoreTxn
Waterboy
Kaiser Toro said:
I agree,...I wonder if he can play TE?
Coach C.
Veteran
Givens is a solid physical #2 receiver that can somewhat stretch the field. We would be a better team if we could get him at a great price. Since that is not gonna happen and we can get Gaff at a good price then I take Gaff. WR is not a huge need, but then again you really can never have enough good ones. i think WR is something we can address late in the draft and be ok. Right now we need to be concentrating on restructuring Wade, McKinney, and Carr's contracts.
SBTexans08
Rookie
It would not be crazy as you make it seem. He would be going from one NFL team to another NFL team. There's been several times where one of the worst teams has gone from pretender to contender in the league and making it to the playoffs.Holden135 said:
Last off-season....we saw Mushin Muhammad go from a contender of a team to a pretender Chicago team (what it was considered before the run they had this year). You logic debunked.
You had Santana Moss go from the Jets (playoff team at that time) go to the Redskins (considered a pretender at the time with QB controversies). Your logic debunked again.
Randy Moss did the same last off-season. Going from playoff contender last year to a weak Raiders team.
David Patten went from a dynasty of a team to the Redskins (4-12) team as well, got injured half way through the season. Your logic yet again debunked.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
SBTexans08 said:
Carolina was 7-9 last year. David Patten was an 8 year journeyman who was not going to be resigned. Debunk all you like, but bunk is as bunk does.
SBTexans08
Rookie
Where's Carolina now? I know they were 7-9 last year....but they were a deceiving 7-9 team. Remember....they lost Smith in the first game of the season. They lost offensive lineman during that off-season after the Super Bowl. But hey...I'll give ya that one....but still....there's many more that do debunk that logic. The Texans are an NFL team and pay millions. Him not wanting to come here because of their record is bull. And if anyone has half a brain....they know the Texans aren't really a 2-14 team with the talent on this team.Kaiser Toro said:
Big B Texan Fan
Veteran
Bottom line is we can't afford to let on single stone go unturned. We could use an upgrade/boost at every position on our team. Yes this means AJ and D-Rob, not to get rid of but compliment them or even drop them to a #2 status if there is a solid #1 at those positions that we're able to bring in.
To answer the thread though, if we don't draft a WR or promote a practice squad guy then I say get him unless there is a better option available. He may bring a winning attitude too.
To answer the thread though, if we don't draft a WR or promote a practice squad guy then I say get him unless there is a better option available. He may bring a winning attitude too.
SBTexans08
Rookie
Completely agree.....make every guy fight for their position....put the best players out on the field. Most def!Big B Texan Fan said:
Givens is a player that I would be interested in. Gaffney and Bradford are free agents so there is no guarantee of their return. Armstrong and Mathis have shown potential but not enough to assume that either is ready to step into a starting role next year. IMO, the Texans need to sign a veteran starting WR. he does not have be a number 1, but a guy solid guy, see Givens, is in order.
michaelm
vox nihili
SBTexans08 said:
Weren't both Santana and Randy Moss traded to their new teams?
I don't think Patten had is much choice in the matter that Givens will...
Muhammed is getting up there in age and took the highest available, which was quite a bit higher than any other offer IIRC.
Givens will most likely get similar offers from many teams with good records which is a choice I thnk neither Patten or Mush really had...
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Maybe we can get an old Troy Brown with him and he can play DB for us also
Kidding.
The only drawback I see to him was is he a legit #2 or was it a system where they spread the ball so much that it only looked that way at times. Deion Branch would go off and was considered a #1 I guess but it seemed like they all got their share. Just with the system and Brady throwing, sometimes it can be deceiving. I like him alot though.
Kidding.The only drawback I see to him was is he a legit #2 or was it a system where they spread the ball so much that it only looked that way at times. Deion Branch would go off and was considered a #1 I guess but it seemed like they all got their share. Just with the system and Brady throwing, sometimes it can be deceiving. I like him alot though.
titan hater
Waterboy
HoustonFrog said:Maybe we can get an old Troy Brown with him and he can play DB for us also
The only drawback I see to him was is he a legit #2 or was it a system where they spread the ball so much that it only looked that way at times. Deion Branch would go off and was considered a #1 I guess but it seemed like they all got their share. Just with the system and Brady throwing, sometimes it can be deceiving. I like him alot though.
Givens is good, but I'd rather gp after Reggie Wayne...
SBTexans08
Rookie
No doubt!titan hater said:
titan hater said:
I would not. Wayne has earned himself a nice paycheck over the last couple of years. The Texans will add another large contract, most likely at a "skill" position. At some point, the Texans are going to have to become better at identifying 2nd and 3rd level FAs who can contribute. Their "sexy" name is likely to come from the draft, Wayne will just have to pass on.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
I remember listening to the radio a couple weeks back, and they mentioned that David Givens, the WR from the Patriots, will be a free agent. I didn't know that he was from Humble, so maybe that'll give him some incentive to come play for us. I believe he would be a great pick up and a good WR to complement Andre Johnson. What do you guys think?
BuffSoldier
Veteran
Anyone that will give us another threat in the passing game, and doesnt cost too much I would love to see in a Texans uniform. If he gives us another threat that stops defenses from doubling AJ then bring him on, plus he is not a selfish player because none ofthe NE WRs were. The only question is... how much would he cost.
Moving thread to give you other perspective on the same question.
travfrancis
Waterboy
i would not be opposed to signing Givens as long as we don't overpay, but i'd be content with re-signing Gaffney and Armstrong. I'd like to see what Gaffney, Armstrong, and Mathis can do under a new coaching staff, because i think theres a good chance one could emerge as a legitimate #2 wr. also i'd really love to get donald driver as soon as possible, i know he wants to play here (specificaly if we draft Vince), i think hes a FA either after this season or the one after. he would be the perfect compliment to Andre Johnson.
TreWardTxn
Waterboy
If the money is right... but he is getting old and would command a veteran contract based on past performance and ability...
TreWardTxn said:
# 87 David Givens
Position: WR
Height: 6-0
Weight: 212
Born: 08/16/1980
College: Notre Dame
NFL Experience: 4
bdiddy
Waterboy
We have much bigger needs than WR. If we are going to spend FA money it will be in this order: (1) offensive line, (2) pass rushing defensive end, and (3) multipurpose tight end.
That being said I love David Givens, I am an ND guy so of course I would like to see him in a Texans uniform. If he would give us a home town discount I would do, but he is looking to make big money in this contract (which I do not play him for) and his playing for possibly the best organization in football.
That being said I love David Givens, I am an ND guy so of course I would like to see him in a Texans uniform. If he would give us a home town discount I would do, but he is looking to make big money in this contract (which I do not play him for) and his playing for possibly the best organization in football.
