David Carr's Performance !

[infantrycak]

Why do you think that Aikman is a good measuring stick. In his career he had 165 TD's and 141 Int's, far from a great QB. Just because Aikman has some superbowl rings makes him the best QB??? He's not better than Marino or Manning, yet he has the rings. So you are basically saying that you need the rings to be considered a great QB.

On a little side note here--greatness can be defined in different ways. Like AT says, he looks at it and sees it rather than relies on the stats as much. One thing which was obvious about Aikman was his game massively elevated once he was in the post-season. When opposing D's were greater, when O's were sticking up points, Aikman would perform virtually flawlessly. He had some otherworldly streak of quarters of post-season play without an INT at one point. Playing your greatest when it counts the most is a measuring stick of greatness IMO.

On the flip side, although this is overstated to a degree, look at Manning. I don't give two flips if you have 150 TD's in the regular season if you can't figure out a way to win playoff games except against Denver.

 

[dalemurphy]

We are going in circles and nothing new is being gained. Pretty much you defending two sets of stats as the most important and I am just watching him play. Both are subjective acts. I would like to tract this comparison going forward this year, but I have a question or two. What do these elite guys do in the fourth year in these categories? Is it another leap forward or do they maintain the level of performance?

expect another significant leap forward... at least that is my contention and it is what history dictates should happen.

 

[Diehardtexan]

Let's Not Forget The Bottom Line As Well Carr Only Had One Break Out Season At Fresno, Face It Most Of Us Never Even Heard About Carr Until He Was Drafted. I Guess Only Time Will Tell, With Him I Hope He Is Truely A Diamond In The Ruff, And Leads Our Team To The Playoff's In The Near Future.

Most QBs only have one break out year in college, no one heard of Carlson Palmer either until the year he got drafted. I think they are product of the system that they played in that hyped them up to be a top pick.

 

[SESupergenius]

well of these QBs in their third years:

PManning
Brady
McNair
McNabb
Vick
TGreen
CPennington
BFavre
Culpepper


only Manning had a higher Y/att... Manning 7.7, Carr 7.6

So David Carr is better than all of those QB's? Wow. I can just say...wow.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

expect another significant leap forward... at least that is my contention and it is what history dictates should happen.

Okay, makes sense...here's hoping you're correct.

 

[Lucky]

... according to my source, Cunningham was about .2% higher.

Stats.com has Cunningham at 81.6, Aikman at 81.5.

 

[WWJD]

Troy Aikman was a great QB.

His first few years were futile but once the team got built he was great.

Hey it's all about winning Super Bowl's. Troy was in 3 and won all three.

He was the most accurate post season QB ever I think.

As a Cowboy fan I wouldn't have traded Troy for anybody the years he played.

 

[ROYDESTROY]

Troy Aikman was a great QB.

His first few years were futile but once the team got built he was great.

Hey it's all about winning Super Bowl's. Troy was in 3 and won all three.

He was the most accurate post season QB ever I think.

As a Cowboy fan I wouldn't have traded Troy for anybody the years he played.

Carr picked off again already...ouch

 

[Ihategeeks]

I see alot of harrington bashing in this thread.

91.9 is his QB rating for the past 3 games

I think Carr is about 13 for 4 of them

The both have the same amount of attempts.

 

[Corrosion]

I cant and wont defend his play tonight .... it was HORRIBLE

 

[Ihategeeks]

I am not trying to start and Joey vs David spat.

Hell, I don't even take his miserable preseason seriously.

But come on, lets just leave Joey out of it, for your own sake.

 

[Corrosion]

lets just leave Joey out of it, for your own sake.

Good idea

 

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Carr ranks 4th in fewest INT/att:
1. Brady
2. McNabb
3. Manning

Harrington would be 3rd on this list with an INT/att of .0245, ahead of PM's .026 and right behind McNabb's .0243.

Cherry picking stats is fun!

 

[MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS]

After watching David Carr tonight and listened to his remarks after the game it is like licking salt off an old wound. David and Charlie both sound like broken records every week, saying they need to excute better. well I wonder just how much more Bob Mcnair can watch this. It was like watching Nimitz High School Versus USC . At least Dave Ragone brought it to the table tonight, I do hope he is #2 in the rotation. I hope Carr and the rest of the Texans show up next week in Buffalo.

 

[TexHorns]

My analysis: Over the last couple of weeks our first team offense has for the most part stunk it up. Surprise, it wasn't the Oline!

Carr needs to check off his recievers and I am not too sure about this three step drop timing thing? He seems to drop quick and throw without really looking at what he is throwing to. I know his WRs are suppossed to be in the right place and time when running the routes but nothing is developing? But I don't think that most of our problems are coming from Carr. I think that our wrs have not been doing their jobs. Is it just me or have there been way too many dropped balls? I always heard that if the ball touches your hands then it should be a catch 99 times out of 100. Bradford had some ridiculous drops and seemed lost on the field. Dre had one bounce off his shoulder pads and a few others go through and off his hands. I am not downing Dre I think he will recover his form from last year but those things can kill a teams mometum. Any other thoughts?

 

[TexHorns]

After watching David Carr tonight and listened to his remarks after the game it is like licking salt off an old wound. David and Charlie both sound like broken records every week, saying they need to excute better. well I wonder just how much more Bob Mcnair can watch this. It was like watching Nimitz High School Versus USC . At least Dave Ragone brought it to the table tonight, I do hope he is #2 in the rotation. I hope Carr and the rest of the Texans show up next week in Buffalo.

Have you ever heard anything worth listen to from athlete's comments? It is like watching Sports Center or NFL Live where they just blabber about T.O. for half an hour. They rarely give any real insight. The fact is they are working to fix the problems they're just not telling us what they are doing. It's all for entertainment. The most your going to hear is 'we're gonna do better nex time' and 'we need to be more focused'. It's all garbage IMO. They all sound like that.

 

[lucky13]

carr reminds me of a poor man's donovan mcnabb. mediocre in terms of pure throwing the ball, and needing some good receivers. and a good tight end.

elite wide receivers can be expensive. they can also be volatile. neither of these fits mcnair's under-the-cap "family values" ways very well.

the texans have yet to sign a truly premier FA, despite being way under the cap. it seems to be a business to mcnair. i think the only hope for the team to win a SB is for the fans in houston to demand more. i'm certainly not holding my breath.

 

[Ihategeeks]

The Lions are built full of "good" family image guys just like your team.
Our owner refuses to get cheerlearders even!

And you know what happened a few days ago, we got blasted on the Radio by Chris Mortenson (mr. all knowning ESPN breaking news guy) He called the Lions soft, the coaches soft, he even called our excerise equipment soft.

He's right, the team is soft, we have no hardarses on the team. YOu need these people to win.

This isn't Disney, knock this mickey mouse bs off NFL, and get our team some MEAN KILLING MACHINES!!!

 

[infantrycak]

After watching David Carr tonight and listened to his remarks after the game it is like licking salt off an old wound. David and Charlie both sound like broken records every week, saying they need to excute better. well I wonder just how much more Bob Mcnair can watch this. It was like watching Nimitz High School Versus USC . At least Dave Ragone brought it to the table tonight, I do hope he is #2 in the rotation. I hope Carr and the rest of the Texans show up next week in Buffalo.

You watched that performance and the complaint you came up with was his post game comments? C'mon--think back to Bull Durham where they mocked player comments. There is plenty of room for real complaints, no need to just make them up.

 

[Doug]

I would be curious to see how Ragone would fare with the first team offense.

 

[Runner]

You watched that performance and the complaint you came up with was his post game comments?

Well, at least we've been spared body language interpretations on Carr so far.

It looks like the posters here have diversified their offense too - we usually don't see such vitriolic posts except against the offensive line. So here is what I expect to happen:

1) Place all team problems on Carr - OL example: our defense is looked bad because they are always tired because our O-line is bad.

2) Give Carr a catchy nickname - OL example: Steve push-me-back McKinney. Carr could be David what-color-are-we-wearing Carr

3) Demand Carr be cut as an example because of somebody's interpretation of his body language. OL example: "I can tell by the way Wand stands he has given up". Carr was shown smiling after his second interception, for crying out loud!

4) Demand to start an inferior player in his spot, to show the coaches listening to the fans. OL example: Riley (8 years in the league, on the downhill side) vs. Wand 3 year project (actually started in second year, don't let him make that 2nd to 3rd year jump).

And then after dumping on Carr for half a season, move on to 'Dre!


p.s. I think we've played poorly, and it worries me. However, I am absolutely not down on Carr, nor have I ever considered our O-line the root of all evil. I'm just pointing out that posters here can be rather excessive in their comments and evaluations.

 

[Runner]

I would be curious to see how Ragone would fare with the first team offense.

Probably pretty well - he seemed very collected out there - sliding to open spots when he got under pressure and still making good throws. He seems to understand the offense and is on the same page with his receivers.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

The scary thing with QBs is can they handle the speed of the game . The road is littered with high 1st round choices who did'nt pan out . The reasons were not arm strength , mobility , size or injury it was they just did'nt have it mentally .
Then you have the Tom Brady's or Joe Montana's of the world who you'd mistake for the punter . They're skinny guys with average arms but make the game look easy .
After the first year I thought Carr was a good prospect . In 2005 I'm not so sure . The best thing for Carr would be getting benched for Ragone . This would cut the apron strings and maybe we'll find out how he really ticks .
For you big time Carr supporters remember Terry Bradshaw was benched for Joe Gilliam , Aikman was benched for Steve Walsh , its a wake up call . It is said a hunting dog will either hunt or he won't . I believe its the same with QBs they either have IT or they don't .

 

[the wonger need food]

You watched that performance and the complaint you came up with was his post game comments? C'mon--think back to Bull Durham where they mocked player comments. There is plenty of room for real complaints, no need to just make them up.

"We gotta play them one game at a time"

"I'm just happy to be here. Hope I can help the ball club"

"I just want to give it my best shot, and the good Lord willing, things will work out."

 

[Exascor]

"We gotta play them one game at a time"

"I'm just happy to be here. Hope I can help the ball club"

"I just want to give it my best shot, and the good Lord willing, things will work out."

Where have I heard those before? hehe

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

Where have I heard those before? hehe

We don't understand how seemingly intelligent players can talk without saying anything.

Sincerely,

Jeff Bagwell & Craig Biggio

 

[Cjeremy635]

I concur.."that dog won't hunt." There are some serious issues and us hoping that they get fixed is just some grand illusion. I had high hopes for the team this year, but when you see how the preseason ended it is quite discouraging as a fan. I honestly am tired of the "we just have to go out there and execute/perform better. I know we are capable of it, we just need to do it" comments. I would not have near as much leadway in my career. If I screwed up that bad at my job I would certainly be fired. Some serious things need to change, mainly the mentality and fire in this team.

 

[jr0ck]

If I screwed up that bad at my job I would certainly be fired.

since the equivalent for me is taking a test, as i am still a student, let me give you my metaphor. i've never failed a class because of a pre-test. period. if i do well, i feel a little better about myself and wish it would have counted. if i don't do so hot, i try and recognize my weaknesses and am thankful it wasn't a real test. nothing more and nothing less.

i see nothing in my line of thinking that doesn't apply to pre-season football, especially the fact that pre-test's give you no concrete bearing on your performance on the subsequent test that counts.