David Carr's on the right track...

[TwinSisters]

Ahh yes... David Carr.

Dave-ID Carr.

Id slave.

According to Freud, we are born with our Id. The id is an important part of our personality because as newborns, it allows us to get our basic needs met. Freud believed that the id is based on our pleasure principle. In other words, the id wants whatever feels good at the time, with no consideration for the reality of the situation.

The id doesn't care about reality, about the needs of anyone else, only its own satisfaction. If you think about it, babies are not real considerate of their parents' wishes.

I think I could be on to something new here!

 

[TheCD]

Ahh yes... David Carr.

Dave-ID Carr.

Id slave.




I think I could be on to something new here!

As a psych. major I can tell you that Sigmund Freud was a total crackpot. Today, we don't take anything he suggested seriously. But rather, we see him as a leader in the psychology/psychiatry field. The two men who studied under him, Alfred Adler and Carl Jung (Pronounced Young), are seen as the first two who really contributed significant knowledge towards our field.


P.S. Sigmund Freud was a Coke addict and also tried to treat his patients with it, too!

 

[TwinSisters]

As a psych. major I can tell you that Sigmund Freud was a total crackpot.

Ah very good then! You know then that pyschology is far from a unified field of study? Hope so.

But let us not debate psychology, but rather the patient. As a student, what do you believe makes the Carr mind tick? What is missing? What does the Carr mind need to get back on track? Cocaine is forbidden, so we will have to strike that one off the list.

Would you concur that we have a Dave-Id mind that needs to develop into Dav-Ego? What happened to the Super-Dave-ego?

Actually let's ask another question... Why do you think Dave never asked to be traded?

 

[texan279]

 

[TheCD]

Ah very good then! You know then that pyschology is far from a unified field of study? Hope so.

But let us not debate psychology, but rather the patient. As a student, what do you believe makes the Carr mind tick? What is missing? What does the Carr mind need to get back on track? Cocaine is forbidden, so we will have to strike that one off the list.

Would you concur that we have a Dave-Id mind that needs to develop into Dav-Ego? What happened to the Super-Dave-ego?

Actually let's ask another question... Why do you think Dave never asked to be traded?

I agree...I hope you're just doing this to end this thread, because if so...It works. Because you're lack of understanding of psychology is quite laughable.

 

[nunusguy]

As a psych. major I can tell you that Sigmund Freud was a total crackpot.

Psychoanalysis isn't a big deal anymore ?

 

[NATHANHALE]

Ah very good then! You know then that pyschology is far from a unified field of study? Hope so.

But let us not debate psychology, but rather the patient. As a student, what do you believe makes the Carr mind tick? What is missing? What does the Carr mind need to get back on track? Cocaine is forbidden, so we will have to strike that one off the list.

Would you concur that we have a Dave-Id mind that needs to develop into Dav-Ego? What happened to the Super-Dave-ego?

Actually let's ask another question... Why do you think Dave never asked to be traded?

Traded!! You've got to be kidding. He's got a 'cake walk' here. What would he gain by asking to be traded? 16 QBs were drafted in '02, with 8 still in the league and only 2 of those 8 with the same team (Carr,Garrard). So, Carr is the only starting QB from the '02 draft with the team that drafted him, meaning most other teams put their QBs on a 'short leash.' I think Carr was smart to stay put, greatly increasing his chances for longetivity despite so-so numbers.

 

[thunderkyss]

Traded!! You've got to be kidding. He's got a 'cake walk' here. What would he gain by asking to be traded? 16 QBs were drafted in '02, with 8 still in the league and only 2 of those 8 with the same team (Carr,Garrard). So, Carr is the only starting QB from the '02 draft with the team that drafted him, meaning most other teams put their QBs on a 'short leash.' I think Carr was smart to stay put, greatly increasing his chances for longetivity despite so-so numbers.

That Garard had a heck of a year didn't he??

 

[texan279]

Traded!! You've got to be kidding. He's got a 'cake walk' here. What would he gain by asking to be traded? 16 QBs were drafted in '02, with 8 still in the league and only 2 of those 8 with the same team (Carr,Garrard). So, Carr is the only starting QB from the '02 draft with the team that drafted him, meaning most other teams put their QBs on a 'short leash.' I think Carr was smart to stay put, greatly increasing his chances for longetivity despite so-so numbers.

You think the pounding Carr has taken the last 4 years was a cake walk?

 

[NATHANHALE]

You think the pounding Carr has taken the last 4 years was a cake walk?

...about a third of the pounding was Carrs fault and he was paid $30 million plus for less than stellar production that has been blamed on that pounding and everything else people can think of--would other teams have kept him and bought into the 'excuse' game? Now, he gets a nice extension that is based on potential, though some on the board argue the money is not "Peyton's" kind of money (and why should it be). This has got to be the year we see what we have in Carr...Yeah, you're right, he's taken a pounding with the Texans---took one in college, too.

 

[TwinSisters]

I agree...I hope you're just doing this to end this thread, because if so...It works. Because you're lack of understanding of psychology is quite laughable.

Not really wanting to end the thread as much as push it in a new direction. Maybe I need to start another Carr thread just for 'why Dave hasn't asked to be traded?'. If you were David Carr, would you ask to be traded?

As for the rest of it... I would say I pretty much consider everyone that hangs out here sorta like family. From Hulk to Vinny to the inlaw Cowboy lovers ( not that there is anything wrong with that ), each is afforded a certain seat in the Houston Texans' arena. And to each there is a certain particular view and vantage point. While I am not exactly what you would call an old cooter, I can lay claim to having a steady shooting hand. So as an upper classman to a freshman major, take this pearl for what it is worth little brother; It is usually wiser to know what you are laughing at, before you laugh at it.

Psyschology in the NFL is alive and well

NFL teams rely on psychological testing to varying degrees when evaluating draft prospects. Some just don't believe in them. Others swear by them. Colts President Bill Polian credits the Missouri-based Troutwine & Associates psychological consulting firm for helping the Colts pick Peyton Manning instead of Ryan Leaf with the No. 1 pick in the 1998 draft. Manning is a potential Hall of Famer while Leaf, the No. 2 pick in 1998, is one of the biggest busts in the history of the draft.

Troutwine & Associates has developed psychological profiles for about 20 teams over the past 20 years. Most teams share the services of psychological consulting firms.

http://www.johnfmurray.com/News.aspx?id=437

Wannstedt hired one to turn his team around... if we start see Carr refusing to remove his helmet during an interview after a game, we can say we might have a problem!

So it's not exactly what you would call a dead issue.

 

[TheCD]

So as an upper classman to a freshman major, take this pearl for what it is worth little brother; It is usually wiser to know what you are laughing at, before you laugh at it.

Psyschology in the NFL is alive and well

Thank you for ridiculing the field of Psychology and then turning around and saying it's a good thing to have in the NFL. You make a lot of sense.


P.S. I'm obviously not a freshmen, just look at my age in my info...Jr. going strong and soon to be in Grad School, thank you very much. I assure you that when I finally get to open my practice in Houston you'll be the first person I treat, if you so desire...

 

[infantrycak]

Maybe I need to start another Carr thread just for 'why Dave hasn't asked to be traded?'. If you were David Carr, would you ask to be traded?

You can if you want, but there really isn't any information to base an opinion on (for example we don't know that he didn't--in fact he did exercise his option to void the last 3 years of his contract--the $8 mil bought those years back)--what you are going to get is folks who are anti-Carr saying because he knew he sucked and couldn't get a job elsewhere and pro-Carr people saying because he is loyal and believes in himself and this team. In the absense of anything to go on--folks are going to fill in their existing beliefs.

 

[TwinSisters]

TheCD,

I am not saying it is good or bad. I pulled that article out just to validate talking about psychology with football and David Carr. As to say ... Look, you cannot knock pyschology off as a non-football issue that ends a thread. The underlying meaning, that I am feeding along with it, is that pyschology is a deeply divided field in study and in public opinion. You see two points presented in the article... the Colts and Manning and then the coach at the end talking about what rubbish it is.

For myself I was just "typing out loud"... I saw David and then keyed on the ID to find something new. It's funny. ( I think so )
---

Mr.Infantrycak

yes.

yes.

And yes.

Let me think about it some more then...

AH! I wonder if one of his incentives or options was 'games started'? ... or maybe not. That's alright though... with another FULL MONTH to go, I imagine I will think of something.

 

[NATHANHALE]

I may be wrong (not the first time) but I think most posters fail to realize that Carr's problems/bad habits were not developed in the NFL but-instead-existed before he became a pro. These include (1) propensity for sacks (2) holding onto the ball too long (3) focusing on his target (4) not spreading the ball around (5) poor pocket management and (6) not throwing the ball away. In college, Carr had one 'big' year-his senior year-with numbers that helped to hide these problems but the clues are still there. First, not too many QB's are sacked over 30 times in one season but there is more-what do you think Carr was doing when he rushed 94 times for 67 yds his sr yr? IMO, he was avoiding the pass rush/getting sacked. Why didn't he just throw the ball away? Carr completed 344 passes in '01, with 189 of those passes going to 2 receivers (55%) and those same rec accounting for 62% of his passing yds (3000/4839) and over 54% of his passing TDs (25/46). Manning had 5 receivers with over 100 receptions during his college career, which-of course-was longer than Carrs.

In the pros,however-with the much better athletes-Carrs college tendencies are magnified. And, without question, Capers and his bunch did little to 'steer' Carr in a better direction. Now, Kubiak enters the picture with his new (to the Texans) offense. Ironically, this new offense is dependent upon Carr's 'historical' weaknesses (outlined above) being eliminated. The QB in this offense is (1) not just a pocket passer (2) must make quick decions reading the defense (3) determine the open receiver (4) release the ball quickly to that receiver (4) avoid the rush/sacks (5) manage the time of the play/clock, etc. These are not Carr's strength, so it will be interesting to see if Carr can succeed in this offense. Kubuak made a comment that is beginning to make more and more sense when he said (1) Carr is the most improved player on the team but (2) still has a long way to go to get ready. Kubiak also said he likes to coach to a 'players strength,' but I'm not sure how this will play out in Carr's situation.

Absolutely, Carr has the biggest challenge of his football career this year and here's hoping he can pull it off..