David Carr's on the right track...

[infantrycak]

Thats my point...It's nothing spectacular about Spencer Stalemating with Mario...I was just wondering why D.C even brought that up...

Well, I guess the point would be giving kudos to a 3rd round pick with very limited experience at the position for standing up to a #1 overall. While it shouldn't be taken as a negative against Mario, it does speak well to Spencer's athleticism and possibly against the conventional mindset that it will take 2-3 years before a 3rd round OLmen will contribute.

 

[Runner]

Thats my point...It's nothing spectacular about Spencer Stalemating with Mario...I was just wondering why D.C even brought that up...

And I was using your post as a jumping in point to add a little more info.

 

[nunusguy]

I'm expecting to see Spencer as the LT when the season starts. Wand just doesn't seem to have the strength or mean streak to be a great one.

Carr's remarks here were in direct response to a question about how the rookie tackles were doing, if they were getting any snaps ? To which Carr said
Winston was seeing some action, and added that Spencer was to and then made the additional comment about how Spencer impressed in some plays
against Mario, i.e. the "stalemate comment".
Those are the only three names that came up (in Carr's remarks about play
between OLine vs DLine personnel). And since Mario has been playing exclusively on the strong side, I don't think any of this even involved Wand's side of the center.
The one thing new maybe is that Spencer is getting some time in at RT (and not LT where Wand plays). If we are going to indulge ourselves and jump to conclusions, how about this one ? Maybe they see Spencer as the guy that can help them at RT more than Winston, and Winston may actually end up at guard. Alot of people feel that Spencer is more of a natural tackle than
Winston, while Winston on the other hand is more suited for guard.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Thats my point...It's nothing spectacular about Spencer Stalemating with Mario...I was just wondering why D.C even brought that up...

Maybe because DC is so used to his tackles acting like matadors, he's kinda happy when one of them holds a block.

 

[jerek]

Well, I guess the point would be giving kudos to a 3rd round pick with very limited experience at the position for standing up to a #1 overall. While it shouldn't be taken as a negative against Mario, it does speak well to Spencer's athleticism and possibly against the conventional mindset that it will take 2-3 years before a 3rd round OLmen will contribute.

I would go so far as to state that Spencer will start sometime this year, and if not, only because we [might] end up keeping two good players -- Pitts and I believe Wiegert, or McKinney -- will end up taking those places.

Personally I think Wand will be out sooner rather than later. In that case Pitts might well move to LT again, and I look for Winston to take over at RT about midway through the year.

I can't get the depth chart to load on the main site. Can anybody provide with the most recent update? (specifically the OL?)

 

[infantrycak]

I would go so far as to state that Spencer will start sometime this year, and if not, only because we [might] end up keeping two good players -- Pitts and I believe Wiegert, or McKinney -- will end up taking those places.

Personally I think Wand will be out sooner rather than later. In that case Pitts might well move to LT again, and I look for Winston to take over at RT about midway through the year.

I can't get the depth chart to load on the main site. Can anybody provide with the most recent update? (specifically the OL?)

The main site depth chart is going to be blank for a while. While I think Pitts would be a serious RT, yet another group of coaches has come in and seen him as a guard--so be it. Between Wand, Spencer, Winston and Salaam I don't see Pitts back at LT at all this year. As for Wand--I suspect people are going to be surprised.

 

[Runner]

As for Wand--I suspect people are going to be surprised.

Probably so. He was selected as a project because he had good physical skills, and he also had very good quickness numbers at the combine. He did, however go to a small college. The one thing he needed more than any other player on the roster was good coaching. He then received some of the worst position coaching available in the league.

I find it a positive that these new coaches who know what they are doing and have personally evaluated his play believe in him and are making the effort to bring him along. I've noticed that many people believe that most of our players will benefit from the new coaching staff. I think so too, especially those players who needed it the most.

 

[MorKnolle]

Carr's remarks here were in direct response to a question about how the rookie tackles were doing, if they were getting any snaps ? To which Carr said
Winston was seeing some action, and added that Spencer was to and then made the additional comment about how Spencer impressed in some plays
against Mario, i.e. the "stalemate comment".
Those are the only three names that came up (in Carr's remarks about play
between OLine vs DLine personnel). And since Mario has been playing exclusively on the strong side, I don't think any of this even involved Wand's side of the center.

Mario is playing strongside DE, but he is not staying on one particular side of the field, he is always on whatever the strong side of the offensive formation is, so if the TE is lined up on Mario's side the defensive front 7 switch around and Mario and the SLB line up on that side.

The one thing new maybe is that Spencer is getting some time in at RT (and not LT where Wand plays). If we are going to indulge ourselves and jump to conclusions, how about this one ? Maybe they see Spencer as the guy that can help them at RT more than Winston, and Winston may actually end up at guard. Alot of people feel that Spencer is more of a natural tackle than
Winston, while Winston on the other hand is more suited for guard.

Spencer has been playing LT, Winston has been playing RT. While Spencer seems more like the prototypical RT and Winston seems more like the prototypical LT, I have an idea on why they are on the sides they are on. The offense seemed to be running a lot of playaction bootlegs where the QB rolls out to the right side, so they'd generally want the quicker OT on that side. Just a thought on that, but Spencer has been at LT and Winston at RT.

 

[beerlover]

Spencer may end up being the steal of the draft if he starts, plays and solidifies the Left Side of the Texans offenensive line, should we all not agree this would be a good thing? Alot of us also thought Winston would be a RT in the NFL due to his mobility & size, but for the Texans to have drafted both is just nothing short of amazing. Carr seems impressed with all 40 new Texans in camp, now if Carr is the most improved....

 

[Runner]

Thank you. Spencer has zero potential if he is getting beat even by an exceptional rookie consistantly. Folks, a little perspective--a great, fantastic, extraordinary pass rusher in the NFL doesn't average 1 sack per game, i.e. 1 sack out of 65 or so plays. Spencer can statelmate Mario on 62 plays and lose out on 3 and have a bad day. Keep things in perspective.

Wand was asked about Mario during an interview on 790 last week. He didn't stop with the usual comments about Mario's obvious size, strength, and speed. Wand specifically added that for a rookie Mario is very good with his hands and keeps his body low during play.

It bodes well for the Texans that Mario's technique is ahead of the usual NFL learning curve.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Wand was asked about Mario during an interview on 790 last week. He didn't stop with the usual comments about Mario's obvious size, strength, and speed. Wand specifically added that for a rookie Mario is very good with his hands and keeps his body low during play.

It bodes well for the Texans that Mario's technique is ahead of the usual NFL learning curve.

Not lost on me is that Wand has either found his voice or is comfortbale once again speaking at a techinque level. I do not have my finger on the pulse, but it reeks of Sherman's influence.

 

[nunusguy]

Mario is playing strongside DE, but he is not staying on one particular side of the field, he is always on whatever the strong side of the offensive formation is, so if the TE is lined up on Mario's side the defensive front 7 switch around and Mario and the SLB line up on that side.
Spencer has been playing LT, Winston has been playing RT. While Spencer seems more like the prototypical RT and Winston seems more like the prototypical LT, I have an idea on why they are on the sides they are on. The offense seemed to be running a lot of playaction bootlegs where the QB rolls out to the right side, so they'd generally want the quicker OT on that side. Just a thought on that, but Spencer has been at LT and Winston at RT.

Morknolle, it sounds like you're privy to some info that I'm not, perhaps you've
had the opportunity to attend some of the practices the Texans just concluded ? But I appreciate your info on the subject.
At any rate, its well known that Kubiak is making widespread use of TEs in the
Texans offense, just as his former team did of which he freely admits is
the prototype offense for the Texans O. Its to include a lot of double TE sets,
and if they've got some unbalanced line formations with the TE on the left
side, guess that shouldn't surprise anybody, certainly not me.
On your observations about the rook tackles, a big knock on Winston playing
left or right tackle is his relatively short reach, which many feel would be
a significant disadvantage for him to successfully protect the edge, though others say that can be overcome by his superiory athleticism. Spencer apparently has no such disadvantage, while also being very athletic.

 

[Runner]

It was discussed during the OTAs that the Texans have been moving the TE from side to side even in one TE sets. This was during a discussion if Mario was a weak or strong side end, because he had been playing both left and right end.

Anyway, as stated Winston and Spencer have been locked into RT and LT respectively during pre-season. So far it looks like both have been excellent third round picks. Some say that Winston is a first round talent (some go so far as to say even better than Ferguson), but I think that is stretching it a bit. I don't think every team in the NFL missed him twice. Still, they are both very, very good values for where we got them.

It appears to many practice observers/participants that they both need some seasoning to be NFL ready, as many o-lineman do when they come out of college. I personally expect them to have limited playing time this year barring injury to other players and really come into their own in their second seasons. Others think one or both will earn starting spots very quickly this year.

If one steps back and looks at a 5 year plan for the Texans, our o-line looks like it could grow into a strength as our young players (Pitts, Wand, Hodgdon, Spencer, Winston) develop as a unit and our older veterans hand over the reins.

 

[nunusguy]

It was discussed during the OTAs that the Texans have been moving the TE from side to side even in one TE sets. This was during a discussion if Mario was a weak or strong side end, because he had been playing both left and right end.
If one steps back and looks at a 5 year plan for the Texans, our o-line looks like it could grow into a strength as our young players (Pitts, Wand, Hodgdon, Spencer, Winston) develop as a unit and our older veterans hand over the reins.

Well then I guess I missed that, but thanks. But yea, it would be consistant
for Mario to move to one side or the other depending on where the TE is in
an unbalanced formation. Certainly more logical than staying fixed on just one
side, ignoring TE movement.
That's a tantalizing OL for the longer term, maybe things fall in place for us and this group does come together ?

 

[NATHANHALE]

"If one steps back and looks at a 5 year plan for the Texans, our o-line looks like it could grow into a strength as our young players (Pitts, Wand, Hodgdon, Spencer, Winston) develop as a unit and our older veterans hand over the reins."

Why in the world do we want to start talking about another 5 yr plan? With the avg career of an NFL player around 6 yrs, I think few teams support the 'gel theory' anymore. Heck, the salary cap itself dictates a limitation on high paid veterans with longevity, so more than ever now 'most' players don't have the chance to develope over years and years, especially on the same team.

And, teams will always have a 'mix' of vets and newbies--that is a given--sitting around and waiting on them to 'gel' is not.

 

[TwinSisters]

On Gel:

I was thinking that at first too when I saw the 5 year plan presented, but I just changed my stance. IF Kubiak is trying to install the same type of Zone Blocking game in Houston that was in Denver, it takes time perfect with the same group of guys.

Myself I attribute most of the ZBS breakdowns in Houston to this reason. Injuries would break up practice time and waste reps.

If you look at Denver's line they do not have a lot of FA activity in it. ( for the Starters )

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1232

And the primary reason is Denver’s long-ago embrace of the zone blocking scheme. The Broncos’ five starters have never played anywhere else and have a combined 33 seasons of experience, led by 11-year veteran center Tom Nalen, who has been selected to five Pro Bowls. The star power is up front, and the Broncos know their scheme better than anyone else.

this is old, but still sheds some light on the plan ( or what the plan MIGHT be )

 

[Runner]

"If one steps back and looks at a 5 year plan for the Texans, our o-line looks like it could grow into a strength as our young players (Pitts, Wand, Hodgdon, Spencer, Winston) develop as a unit and our older veterans hand over the reins."

Why in the world do we want to start talking about another 5 yr plan? With the avg career of an NFL player around 6 yrs, I think few teams support the 'gel theory' anymore. Heck, the salary cap itself dictates a limitation on high paid veterans with longevity, so more than ever now 'most' players don't have the chance to develope over years and years, especially on the same team.

And, teams will always have a 'mix' of vets and newbies--that is a given--sitting around and waiting on them to 'gel' is not.

Who said anything about gellin' or waiting for 5 years for them to start being good? I guess I wasn't very clear or you are just spinning what I said to make your own point.

If you look at other posts by me, I have stated the line will be good this year and as they play together they will get better and better. Over the next 5 years they could easily be a very strong unit even if we lose one or two players, because we are starting to build depth. My post just indicates my belief that they will continue to get better and be a strength for our team (implied: rather than just adequate).

There will always be a mix of younger players - in just 2-3 years Pitts and Wand will be "grizzled veterans", Spencer, Winston, and Hodgdon will be starting into their primes, and we'll have new rookies to bring along. I've also stated my belief that our starters this year will remain how they are lined up now - Wand, Pitts, Flanagan, McKinney, Weigert. That sounds like a mix of old and young to me. Good o-lineman have some of the longest careers in the NFL, so building for the future isn't all that outlandish an idea.

I'd much prefer the route we are taking than getting a bunch of players with a couple of years left in the tank just because they'd be good for one year - maybe. I plan on rooting for the Texans in 5 years - I don't want to completely rebuild the line every couple of seasons. I don't think that would be effective.

If my previous post wasn't clear enough - mea culpa. Just replace "5 year plan" with "if we project what the Texans look like in 5 years".

 

[threetoedpete]

Here we go again....

Why must we continue to debate the Carr option being picked up? If you say you're going to give the guy a chance, give the guy a chance OK? And make sure you come back and GLOAT if he fails. Now that will be the epitome of it all, all the people who will proudly rejoice in Carr failing (if he fails). I really have no idea as to why people can take such a hate-filled stance against a guy who didn't ask to be traded when HE was going through so much junk as our team's QB. He just sucked it up and marched on as if he KNEW he was the man for the job.

Pick a fight, and the rocks start flying...............

Because he isn't Vince Young .
I swallowed the hook in the Atlanta game a couple of years back. The guy can barely lift his hand to his shoulder pads and he's out there ballin'. He willed his team to victory. He found a way to get it done. He's going to win a SB for someone one day is all I know. The intangibles you always hear about ? Carr has them in spades. Hopefully the SB win will be for the Texans. Carr posts in June ? Gives the bored glass half-empty something to argue about.

 

[Vinny]

The intangibles you always hear about ? Carr has them in spades. Hopefully the SB win will be for the Texans. Carr posts in June ? Gives the bored glass half-empty something to argue about.

Funny how people see things differently but but I see tons of raw talent and a physical prototype in Carr but very few intangibles so far. That said, I hope he wins the Super Bowl as well.

Carr posts in June? Sure, he is the starting QB in a football crazy state.

 

[Runner]

Oops - excuse me - I thought this was the o-line thread.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Oops - excuse me - I thought this was the o-line thread.

This was the o-line thread until Wonger got involved. If you just hit the back button you will be at the Bull Pen. Once you are there just go down about 5 posts, trust me it is #5. You may see Carr in the thread title along the way, but those are just troll bait. Depending on how many threads Bobo has gotten into the thread you are looking for could be 7 to 10 from the top. If you get to the Mathis should play CB thread you have definitely gone to far.

 

[NATHANHALE]

http://nflpa.org/AboutUs/main.asp?f...reers+last&subPage=InfoForNFLHopefuls&x=7&y=6

...sorry, I was wrong==avg career is 3 1/2 years

 

[bayoudreamn]

http://nflpa.org/AboutUs/main.asp?f...reers+last&subPage=InfoForNFLHopefuls&x=7&y=6

...sorry, I was wrong==avg career is 3 1/2 years

I think they need to take out the people who sign and never make the first season. Because of the size of preseason rosters this avg-career stat is very misleading, I think.

 

[Vinny]

I think they need to take out the people who sign and never make the first season. Because of the size of preseason rosters this avg-career stat is very misleading, I think.

How many original Texans are still on the team from the opening day roster? There is a big turnover of rosters every 5 years or so.

 

[bayoudreamn]

How many original Texans are still on the team from the opening day roster? There is a big turnover of rosters every 5 years or so.

Whether they are on this team or not doesn't affect the stat. The stat is about tenure in the nfl....regardless of team affiliation

 

[Runner]

How many original Texans are still on the team from the opening day roster? There is a big turnover of rosters every 5 years or so.

Yes, but successful teams have some stability with many - not all - of their good players. Good being defined in this case as (better than average = 3.5 year career). Successful o-lineman also tend to have longer careers than some other positions.

I could be wrong - I'm to lazy to look up stats right now - is infantrycak around?

 

[Vinny]

Whether they are on this team or not doesn't affect the stat. The stat is about tenure in the nfl....regardless of team affiliation

I just know that the turnover rate is faster than most people think since the fans tend to latch on to the stars. For every star there are a ton of marginal players who come and go.

 

[bayoudreamn]

For every star there are a ton of marginal players who come and go.

That's all I'm saying.....right there. I think the 3.5 yr stat is heavily weighted by that point. The rest of what was said I'm fine with.

 

[the wonger need food]

This was the o-line thread until Wonger got involved.

I thought that we needed a little more discussion around the face of the franchise. I'm putting a self-imposed moratorium on myself... no more comments on Davey Franchise until August 13. Well, maybe August 12, depending on how late I leave Reliant that night.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I thought that we needed a little more discussion around the face of the franchise. I'm putting a self-imposed moratorium on myself... no more comments on Davey Franchise until August 13. Well, maybe August 12, depending on how late I leave Reliant that night.

That was not a dig on you, you just got wrapped in a message board soliloquy. I do not know if I have started a Carr thread in over a year, but when people start spouting off Elway and Favre comparisions it is just to hard to resist not to get back in the ring. They just keep pulling me back in.

 

[TwinSisters]

they just updated the "face of the Franchise" in the Academy Sports Texans Select Player Highlight section.

gone is the stoner west coast "Bush" look for a more strong chinned full body hair executive presentation.

Obviously proof that Kubiak is turning Carr around.

 

[bigbrewster2000]

Has everyone forgotten the Man Law so quickly? I will fix this um, ok David Carr blah blah blah blah blah...... We shall see....

 

[Runner]

This was the o-line thread until Wonger got involved. If you just hit the back button you will be at the Bull Pen. Once you are there just go down about 5 posts, trust me it is #5. You may see Carr in the thread title along the way, but those are just troll bait. Depending on how many threads Bobo has gotten into the thread you are looking for could be 7 to 10 from the top. If you get to the Mathis should play CB thread you have definitely gone to far.

Ok. Found it. I think.

 

[thunderkyss]

This is silly....... here, on the messageboard, we can criticize the president of the united states, but not the team QB.....

 

[New_Texans]

This is silly....... here, on the messageboard, we can criticize the president of the united states, but not the team QB.....

Well the President does control a lot of factors in our lives and we vote to have him in their while with the Texan's QB hes just a football player on a team that had no offensive line and has had a losing record for his 4 years now on an expansion team that had some little things go wrong for them.

 

[Double Barrel]

This is silly....... here, on the messageboard, we can criticize the president of the united states, but not the team QB.....

Well, you can criticize both, but you just have to be prepard to defend your criticism.

Plus, at least we have the illusion of getting to pick our President. No such luck with our QB. That's a dictatorial process where King Kubiak reigns supreme.

 

[texan279]

Well, you can criticize both, but you just have to be prepard to defend your criticism.

Plus, at least we have the illusion of getting to pick our President. No such luck with our QB. That's a dictatorial process where King Kubiak reigns supreme.

All hail King Kubiak!

 

[bigTEXan8]

I hope DC can put together a season that most people kind of hoped for when he was drafted. Maybe with an improved defense to give them the ball in better field position...? You never know.

 

[bayoudreamn]

I hope DC can put together a season that most people kind of hoped for when he was drafted. Maybe with an improved defense to give them the ball in better field position...? You never know.

There's a video on the news page of an interview with Carr about a month after Kubiak came onboard. I watched it at that time, but I played it again a few minutes ago. It's a good video to see again right now because if you pay attention closely to all the questions and Carr's responses you'll find yourself getting a much better feel for these coaches and how they run this thing. Especially with all the transactions and information we've gotten since the video was made.

The one thing Carr said that was really vague was a comment about the 2-14 season and "effort." He didn't actually say the team wasn't making an effort but he said something about not being able to have a 2-14 record if you're giving 110% everyday. He also say the team "played well below their ability" last year. I replayed that part to make sure I heard what he said accurately. I just really got a feeling that there's alot he felt about last year he won't say and I think the whole team is that way. It just gives you a glimpse inside.

 

[bayoudreamn]

There's a video on the news page of an interview with Carr about a month after Kubiak came onboard. I watched it at that time, but I played it again a few minutes ago. It's a good video to see again right now because if you pay attention closely to all the questions and Carr's responses you'll find yourself getting a much better feel for these coaches and how they run this thing. Especially with all the transactions and information we've gotten since the video was made.

The one thing Carr said that was really vague was a comment about the 2-14 season and "effort." He didn't actually say the team wasn't making an effort but he said something about not being able to have a 2-14 record if you're giving 110% everyday. He also say the team "played well below their ability" last year. I replayed that part to make sure I heard what he said accurately. I just really got a feeling that there's alot he felt about last year he won't say and I think the whole team is that way. It just gives you a glimpse inside.

The title of the video is "Carr showing confidence...." or something like that

 

[GP]

This is silly....... here, on the messageboard, we can criticize the president of the united states, but not the team QB.....

We have almost 500 posts on a topic that is clearly "debating/criticizing/defending" the QB.

Sorry, but your attempt to martyr yourself is laughable.

Oh, I forgot. You're not "criticizing" Carr. You're "glad" that Kubiak and a few of the fans here are finally seeing that Carr hasn't played to his potential and needs to improve to where he should be.

 

[GP]

Can we lock this thread up?

I think it's reached its end.

Anytime President Bush gets mixed into a thread, I think that's a good clue that we're all tapped out.

 

[Brandon420tx]

Finally a Carr thread I wanted to post on but got halfway through the 3rd page when I realized it was 23 pages long..... Damn my freaking new job that takes me away from my precious texans news.... oh well, kill thread

 

[TEXANRED]

Can we lock this thread up?

I think it's reached its end.

Anytime President Bush gets mixed into a thread, I think that's a good clue that we're all tapped out.

Why? Another one would pop up later. Just like roach's.

Thanks Tkyss.

 

[thunderkyss]

We have almost 500 posts on a topic that is clearly "debating/criticizing/defending" the QB.

Sorry, but your attempt to martyr yourself is laughable.

Oh, I forgot. You're not "criticizing" Carr. You're "glad" that Kubiak and a few of the fans here are finally seeing that Carr hasn't played to his potential and needs to improve to where he should be.

martyr myself??

& make no mistake about it, I am, criticizing Carr... no quotation marks.

Can we lock this thread up?

I think it's reached its end.

Anytime President Bush gets mixed into a thread, I think that's a good clue that we're all tapped out.

but you don't have a problem posting in it....

it would have made more sense, if you'd have posted this before your post previous to it...... even more sense, to have edited your previous post, and replace it's contents with this one........ but it's not the same unless you can take a shot at me first right??

Why? Another one would pop up later. Just like roach's.

Thanks Tkyss.

You're welcome....... or are you being Sarcastic....

23 pages.....

hmmmmmm...... I wonder what the fans want to talk about??

including you guys......

 

[infantrycak]

martyr myself??

Yes. It is ridiculous for you to keep on making posts like the one above acting as if the MB doesn't tolerate criticism of Carr. Carr has received criticism each of the last couple off-seasons and had a thread dedicated to the subject after every game last year. There have been dozens of threads of debate over Carr in the last few months alone with about an equal number of optimistic and pessimistic Carr opinions. For goodness sake, the subject is so beat to death people are making jokes about it. It is silly to put up a pretense of "poor little ole me, the lone (or in a very slim minority) and oh so oppressed Carr pessimist."

There have been folks in the optimistic Carr camp who have tried the same thing, acting like the whole MB was against Carr--that's equally as silly.

 

[NATHANHALE]

I'm trying to understand a few things I've read, so I figured this board is the best place to get some help. First, there have been several statements that Carr ran one of the most complicated offenses in the NFL, that more was asked of Carr than virtually every other QB. Complicated offense? Carr (first 12 games) had 2 primary receivers in AJ and DD and-over a 16 game season-DD probally would have been the teams leading receiver or close to it. We ran 1 back at a time and we had virtually no audibles and everyone knew what those audibles were--we avg 4.2 rushing (not bad) and a about a yd more than that per pass. So, would someone please explain to me what was so complicated about this offense that is supposed to have asked so much more of Carr than other QBs?

Too, Carr has never run an offense before like Kubiak is installing this year. Carr has always been a drop back passer (except in the pros when forced to run), avg not even a yd rushing his SR yr and even had over 30 sacks that yr.
I woukd think this offense will asked much more of Carr because it will be his job to read the defense and find the open receiver that has been touted that will be there on every play. Too, he will be asked to move around to throw by design instead of by necessity. Certainly, this is not an offense IMO that has been designed around anything Carr has done in the past, but the bonus for Carr should come from the upgrade in players around him and-most of all-the coaching. However, more than ever, good play from Carr is crucial...

 

[hollywood_texan]

There have been dozens of threads of debate over Carr in the last few months alone with about an equal number of optimistic and pessimistic Carr opinions. For goodness sake, the subject is so beat to death people are making jokes about it.

This is why we need the Men of the Square Table to issue a "Man Law."

 

[TEXANRED]

You're welcome....... or are you being Sarcastic....

23 pages.....

hmmmmmm...... I wonder what the fans want to talk about??

including you guys......

Sarcastic.................is a fun, playfull, non mean, non hurtfull kinda way. My brand of humor. Grew up a big Carlin fan. I think that is were I get it from.

 

[GP]