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David Carr?
- Thread starter BamaTexan
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Brandon420tx
Flounder
Oh dear god, you couldn't just look around for old threads and read them?, now all the Carr arguements will start up again, and we already have enough problems with a 1-man troll invasion on the forum. This could end us!BamaTexan said:
If you want some dirt on the Carr, goto the Texans website and click rosters then on David and any other players you would like to learn about, or as I suggested earlier go find previous threads about the subject, (The search option is pretty useful)
hollywood_texan
All Pro
Vinny said:
Vinny, totally agree with you.
But, do we need another thread on this?
It's getting old.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
It's really not a huge deal...but when you start a thread that has been covered many times, the regulars have to re-state their opinion over and over and the newer people could really just find this opinion if you take some time to look around a bit. Just kind of a mb etiquette thing.BamaTexan said:
Brandon420tx
Flounder
No biggie.BamaTexan said:
Hope the stuff we gave you was of help, and you can do your own research and form an opinion of David and the other players.hollywood_texan
All Pro
BamaTexan said:
Sorry Bro, it looks like your new around here.
A lot of words, time, and effort has been posted about this topic. Frankly, I think both sides are tired of it.
Nothing personal to you though, welcome to the board and looking to see you around.
BamaTexan said:
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=23620
Just go to this thread this is where you'll get most of the info
Vinny said:
Just curious, V, what you think of his delivery. He seems to have that 'side winder' thing going, which was something the coaches tried to change early in his career (with no success).
I've always read that a side delivery is tough in the NFL due to the massive size of linemen. Is this considered a 'physical weakness', or more of a mechanics issue?
Not trying to stir debate about Carr, but instead trying to offer real analysis of our starting QB. (hope people can do the same)
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Took the words right out of my mouth.Brandon420tx said:
But to show respect and a warm welcome I will share my opinion on Carr.
Strenghts: Big, strong, agile, accurate, can scramble and is a competitor, has tremendous charector to survive 18-46 in four years and getting sacked close to 200 times in the same span. Not to mention having Pendry, Palmer, and Capers as your coachs.
Weekness: Hits the panic button to quick (can't say I blame him), stares down his receiver, and the most annoying thing one human being can do with a football, run out of bounds with the football. Oh my God.
Thats pretty much it in a nutshell.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I don't have any issues with his delivery, except that it's probably tough to have touch on a ball when thrown like this. I find it easier to put air under a ball when I come over the top and tougher to do when I start to angle down to side arm. QB's throw in 'lanes' most of the time and really don't pass over the top of guys too much, so I don't think its too big a deal.Double Barrel said:
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Vinny said:
He hasn't completely demonstrated to us that he "can play" but I feel like if he can do that and does it throwing sidearm then fine by me. I'd rather have a guy who's a player with less than flawless mechanics than a guy who throws textbook but can't win games. That's what 2006 is to me when it comes to watching David Carr. I want to see growth and I want to see (towards the second half of the season) this franchise QB that we've all seen little glimpses of come to the surface.
If the man can start winning games there won't be much talk about his throwing motion IMO. I hope it turns out that way.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
Double Barrel said:
The side arm delivery isn't an issue if you are 6'-5", a native of Houston, Texas, and carried your team to the college national championship.
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
hollywood_texan said:
Texans>Colts
Waterboy
He needs to learn how to get away from defenders, until we get a good o-line
R
real
Guest
Texans>Colts said:
You don't think we've upgraded this off season ?
Texans>Colts
Waterboy
xtruroyaltyx said:
We've upgraded and i'm happy about that but it is nowhere near to being good
Hulk75
Veteran
Could not disagree more...........Here are just some things he did under preasure.Vinny said:
Jax-Great throw nice drop Corey, could have won.
Bal-Great throw nice drop Dre, could have won.
KC-Stayed in the pocket and delivered a ball, and the guy took it 40 or so yards which set up the game winner. Beat KC in KC, hardest place to play in the NFL, walked out with a win.
Jax @ home- Nice dive over the pile, for the game winner
Arz @ home- Coaches put the game in his hands(for the first time ever) for the first half, call what ever he wanted to, 24 points in one half, most in Texan history.
Vikings- Came back and throw how many TDs and almost wins the game, thanks D.
Rams- throws how many TDs, and then thanks D, way to give up a BOMB in cover 99 to get it into over time.
Pittsburg @ home- QB rating was one of the best against there D that year.
Cowboys- First Drive TD, wins his first game as a pro.
Falcons @ home- Comes in HURT and takes off for a 30 yard gain, we win.
Dom Capers and Chris Palmer----Predictable Offense, one of the most Obvouis I have ever seen, last 4 years could have been A LOT worse , one of the worst OLines in the league for the last 4 years still standing.
At Lakewood on Sunday, the power to all the music and instuments turned off, but the ladie and the choir kept singing, never stopped, did there best. I know she can sing she is won of the best I have heard, but nobody could hear her.............So I thought later on that day, thats what it might seem like to be doing your best and do to the fact of things around you you can not be heard..........
I think Carr has been trying and doing his best, NOW that he has the people around him I think he will do great things.
Just look at Dunta Robinson, the guy does not have a pass rush in front of him and look how many INTS he had.
R
real
Guest
Texans>Colts said:
Thats a first...I thought most were content with our line as of now...In my opinion I don't think the line will be an issue this season...I think they will be pretty solid once the mesh..
Vinny said:
Thanks for the answer, man. I remember the first (or second?) season where they had some crazy passing drill using ladders to make Carr pass overhand. The story seemed to indicate that the coaches had an issue with his mechanics, but I don't hear much about it these days.
I remember that particular season it became a non-issue when he was getting sacked so many times. The reasoning became survival at that point, and his throwing instincts reverted back to what is natural to him.
FSUBulldog
Practice Squad
Vinny:
I would agree with that assessment, but if all you're armed with is the three-step drop flanker screen or a quick slant, you're not going to put up big #'s. That fact always puts me at ease with YPG to date. I'm hoping that now starts to change due to a better o-line and a solid receiving corps.
I would agree with that assessment, but if all you're armed with is the three-step drop flanker screen or a quick slant, you're not going to put up big #'s. That fact always puts me at ease with YPG to date. I'm hoping that now starts to change due to a better o-line and a solid receiving corps.
S
SESupergenius
Guest
His best day was 293 yards and 3 TD's last season againt the Rams, the loss was on the defense. That was better than any day Leftwich had last season as well.Vinny said:
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Now I know I have asked you this question before, how is it Carr's fault the defense can't hold a lead when he throws three hundred plus yards and three touchdowns?Vinny said:
Last I checked Carr wasent playing DB during any of those infamous fourth quarter collapses.
Crap, he we go. Thanks BamaTexan
TexanFan881
All Pro
Vinny said:
In order to be in a shootout both sides of the ball (offense and defense) have to perform, and it has to be a close game. It's not his fault that other offensive teams have ran all over our defense. When there aren't many 'shoot out' game opportunities he's not going to have that many 'shoot out' wins.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
You can be the Carr apologist all you want but nobody fears the ball in Carr's hands at the end of any game. Hopefully that will change this year.TEXANRED said:Now I know I have asked you this question before, how is it Carr's fault the defense can't hold a lead when he throws three hundred plus yards and three touchdowns?
Last I checked Carr wasent playing DB during any of those infamous fourth quarter collapses.
Crap, he we go. Thanks BamaTexan
TexanFan881
All Pro
Vinny said:
That's because the games (especially last year) haven't been in a last game winning drive opportunity. When you have a huge lead why would anyone be worried about what the other team's QB does because it's not going to matter. We did win 7 games in '04, were none of those because of Carr?
skillz24
Noob
carr's arm strength is one of the best in the league, he is young and urable as he has proved over his first four seasons. his biggest problem has been inconsistent offensive line play.carr is a four season veteran that is going to need to be retaught like a rookie once kubiak fixes this line situation. this year i am not expecting a tremendous amount of change...if we win 6 games i think we off to a good start again.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
Carr is a Franchise Quarterback, which means you get all the all the glory and all the blame. That's the position and why he makes the coin.
If he doesn't get the blame, he shouldn't get any of the glory.
IMO, exceptional athletes put up good numbers despite the talent or position they are in.
I remember the Green Bay game two years ago on Sunday night, the defense held Brett Favre to 15 total points and lost on field at the end of the game. Carr and the offense couldn't get one first down in the fourth quarter. I am sure several other examples can be pointed out, so you take any so-called good examples and they can be offset by poor performances.
If he doesn't get the blame, he shouldn't get any of the glory.
IMO, exceptional athletes put up good numbers despite the talent or position they are in.
I remember the Green Bay game two years ago on Sunday night, the defense held Brett Favre to 15 total points and lost on field at the end of the game. Carr and the offense couldn't get one first down in the fourth quarter. I am sure several other examples can be pointed out, so you take any so-called good examples and they can be offset by poor performances.
BamaTexan said:
I think it's a good question....... and anyone not wanting to participate can opt not to.
Things change.... people change........ fans opinion change.......
I mean at least Bama didn't ask how David will wear his hair in '06.
Or worse, offer some speculation to magnify the passing on a particular QB in the '05 draft.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
thunderkyss said:
Actually, I covered it for him:
Double Barrel said:
hollywood_texan said:
hollywood_texan said:
funny........ it seemed like that was the only occasion that it was an issue.
TwinSisters
Veteran
BamaTexan said:
Strengths: good velocity and range, good control, tough body, can move it with his feet in a jam, good looking ( brings the ladies to the stadium and makes the alternative fans happy: See People magazine and Outsports ), Dan Reeves didn't call him a chump ( this says a lot )
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3520790.html
Weakness: doesn't gamble, too much of a yes man, holds on to the ball too long because of this, cannot beat you every down with his feet. Was drafted #1 overall and cannot afford to be just good ( or actually the team cannot afford for him to be just good ), carries Kerry Collins stigma
Using Bama speak:
Part of what made Namath and Stabler great QBs, as opposed to just good QBs, is that they challenged Bear Bryant. Where coaches tend to be conservative, they were not, and thus pushed from good to greatness.
Carr needs to work on pushing his yes-o-meter rating further away from Danny White, but not as far as Jeff George/Steve Spurrier. He will lose playing it safe and he will lose if a gamble doesn't pay off, therefore you must gamble if you are going to win and improve.
Don't sweat it. There's an unwritten rule here that there must be at least one David Carr thread on the front page. You just met the quota, that's all.BamaTexan said:
You know the best thing you have going for you as a new Texan fan? You can judge this team on how they play in the future and not concern yourself with the past. There have been some great moments in Texans history, but there have been many, many heartbreaks. I think the Texans are about to turn that around, and I congratulate you on your good fortune of being here when they do. Oh, and Roll Tide. Or War Eagle, as the case may be.
Hulk75
Veteran
Stats...........got to love them, I doubt that stat really worries the coaching staff right now.Vinny said:
Put the team on his back?, do you think that saying has to do with the Offense that is being ran at all?
Tom Brady,Peyton Manning, Brett Favre- I am sure these guys had some good plays being called and some good guys CATCHING the FOOTBALL.
Luckly all that stuff is done and gone with, this is going to be a great NEW season.
DominickDavisFan76
Waterboy
Since everyone is giving their opinion on this old thread I figure...why not?
well I think he could become a pro bowler, if he gets more time in the pocket.
He can do everything physically, its just his mind is always on.....running out of bounds for a 2 yard gain...jk He just needs a better o-line. I mean come on sacked almost 200 times in 5 years. (INSANE)
well I think he could become a pro bowler, if he gets more time in the pocket.
He can do everything physically, its just his mind is always on.....running out of bounds for a 2 yard gain...jk He just needs a better o-line. I mean come on sacked almost 200 times in 5 years. (INSANE)
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
I am a David Carr fan for sure. His downside is he is always on his downside. Way too many sacks in his young career. We should see a steady improvement for Mr. Carr in the years to come...:bananasplit:
BamaTexan
Practice Squad
Lucky, its ALWAYS Roll Tide and Twin Sister, thanks for the "Bama Speak". I completely understand now.
It will be fun again to judge new players and coaching staff. I'm familiar with a few coaches and players already. I appreciate the constructive analysis of my post from all angles. Good information on Carr.
BT
It will be fun again to judge new players and coaching staff. I'm familiar with a few coaches and players already. I appreciate the constructive analysis of my post from all angles. Good information on Carr.
BT
thetexanator
Veteran
just caught the thread, BUT id have to say carr's biggest weakness is between his ears.
CajunTexan
Waterboy
BamaTexan said:
Welcome BamaTexan...as Vinny (Capt. Obvious) stated earlier this is a big year for Carr. Although he and the team are learning a new offense, I really expect to see big improvement. I think one of the reasons Kubes et al stuck with Carr is the 4 years of experience whether good bad or otherwise.
IMO, what people see as his upside or potential is a Farve/Elway type of QB. That is a heavy burden/expectation to fullfill, but I believe he will.
Oh...by the way...GEAUXXXXXX TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!