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And Demeco Ryans is 4th in tackles. I'd consider this a positive sign.
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David Carr is 2nd.
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And Demeco Ryans is 4th in tackles. I'd consider this a positive sign.
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
Waterboy
David will only get better when the O line can start controling the line of scrimage....Demeco is a animal, Pro-bowler in the making.............
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS said:
I bet the NYG fans are happy Eli isn't waiting around for his OL to start controlling the line of scrimage.......
HJam72
Hall of Fame
He's doing a lot better, but his numbers are a little inflated from throwing shorter passes. He did also have the snap fumble. I find it really irritating that people think our losses are his fault, but he's no Pro Bowler yet. Let's keep things in perspective. He could start on a lot more teams than a lot of people think, but he's still not at all a top 5 QB. He's not our problem, nor is he the only answer we need. He's one player.
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
Waterboy
thunderkyss said:
Very True thunderkyss..........very true......
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
I agree, Ryans is a stud for a rookie and I hope he keeps building off of that in the future. He has an uncanny ability to sniff out the ball and make plays. As for Carr, everyone keeps saying the teams goes as Carr goes, so I think the team should start not making serious mistakes that cost the us the game and put us in compromising situations.... 
Just kidding, I think they all can get better and build off of the last two weeks.
Just kidding, I think they all can get better and build off of the last two weeks.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
thunderkyss said:
I bet NYG fans are happy their defense contributes to their team. And duh--the Giants OL is already controlling things to the tune of 136 yards per game at a 5 ypa clip. Wow, talk about being off target.
infantrycak said:
Wow, they gave up 9 sacks, 7 in regulation..... we only gave up 5.... wow, talk about missing the boat........
I really had thought your offense would be impressive this year with a healthy DD and the addition of Moulds, but we see how that went (in terms of DD). At this stage of his career, I think Moulds is still a #1 WR, who just happened to have terrible Qb's throwing to him the last few years in a system bent on running the ball and controlling the clock. Yes, I realize you have traditionally been a run oriented team, but with AJ taking on the #1 Wr role, Moulds can really flourish without facing the oppositions top corner. You have Carr throwing to two #1's. I'd look for Carr to continue doing well, assuming the line can keep him on his feet. One can't help to wonder though how having DD and his pass catching from out of the backfield, how that could have taken your offense the next step forward and really put Carr's numbers through the roof. Hopefully if DC continues to do well statistically, that somewhere down the road it can translate into wins. AJ stretching the D with Moulds working underneath and intermediate has loads of potential.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
Chawky1 said:
Thanks for your input CHAWKY. I would have liked to see us this year with a healthy DD as well, but things like this always seem to happen and it's how you handle the adversity that shows the character of your team. I have to say that Kubes & Co. have been active in finding a suitable replacement on short notice. No one would have thought that he wouldn't be able to play this year, it's a crying shame. As far as AJ & Moulds, I think that they have the ability to be an elite tandem in this league as long as Carr can get the ball to them and has time in the pocket.
bigTEXan8
Rookie
thunderkyss said:
and that's because carr has had 4 years of learning how to scramble, and carr has learned to accept that the o-line will never block consistently for him...as to where eli will just stand there and try and make a throw, which is the other reason eli will have more int's than carr at the end of the season...imho. besides, they were playing the eagles. they blitz on every day that ends in "y". eli isn't that mobile.
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
Keep in mind that half his stats were earned against the Colts second stringers.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
PowerfulDragon said:
Yeah, I've heard that as well. I also remember hearing at the beginning of the game that we only had one starter out there as well. Maybe they meant a returning starter from last year, but I do remember hearing the announcer say something along those lines. (not that it makes it any easier to swallow)
HJam72 said:
Nice balanced post on David Carr.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Good for Carr. Hopefully this goodness will help the team along the way. We need players that make other players better.
In the first two games of last year,
David Carr
@ Buffalo, Passing: 0 TD, 3 INT, QB rating 12.1 with 5 sacks
Pittsburg, Passing: 1 TD, 0 INT, QB rating 92.9 with 8 sacks
The next two games that year, David Carr was sack 14 times. If the sack count continues to drop and the passer rating hold, we will see some good thing from him. I think he is much better this year.
David Carr
@ Buffalo, Passing: 0 TD, 3 INT, QB rating 12.1 with 5 sacks
Pittsburg, Passing: 1 TD, 0 INT, QB rating 92.9 with 8 sacks
The next two games that year, David Carr was sack 14 times. If the sack count continues to drop and the passer rating hold, we will see some good thing from him. I think he is much better this year.
CarrIsFine
Noob
Let's get the facts straight, Carr is really 3rd. Ryan Longwell has a rating of 158.3. 
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Carr has been improving while Plummer has looked like Jake 1.0 pre-Kubiak. I think it is obvious Kubiak is a heck of a QB coach. Those stats really don't mean much because those are the same stats that said Carr had a better game than Manning did Sunday. If Carr can get the ball upfield in the seams early in the game it will open up the running game as teams can't keep squatting on the run and zoning the middle. If he can, we will go .500 this year. If he can't we are a 4 win team at best.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
thunderkyss said:
Geez, as long as we keep turning the ball over and getting blown out in the first half of all of our games, maybe Carr can have the #1 QB rating and get invited to the Pro Bowl with a 0-16 record. Oh and Thunderkyss, its probably not too healthy to correct a Carr apologist moderator.....just spew the party line 'David Is Great. It's Not David's Fault. David Is Fine. Go Texans Go'.
doug ftw
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
Vinny said:
Everyone knows that the stats for yesterday were exaggerated. They were playing the prevent and Carr blazed um. Does that mean he deserves no credit? No... like you said, he just need to perform like that earlier in the game. Kubiak really wanted to get the running game going, but that didnt happen. That limited our options. Thats the only problem with his offensive scheme... you need a smart O-line and patient RBs. The QB will get playing time after the run is established.
Judging things on a play by play basis, Carr deserves credit for his stats. He really proved a lot with both the AJ TD and the Daniels TD. He is showing that he is improved.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
being a moderator has nothing to do with having a 'pro Texan' or 'pro Carr' opinion. Fans can think what they want...being a mod has zero to do with anything in that area.Second Honeymoon said:
No need to spew your hatred at the people who help keep this place clean enough and mature enough as most of the league has given up moderating mb's (because it really is a pain - trust me on that).....and the fans end up having to rely on private fan sites. Say what you want but the personal stuff needs to go to the side. Keep in mind that all I have to do is hit a button and I can solve any problem that doesn't include cooperation. It's hard enough keeping the rival trolls straight without fighting our fans.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Vinny said:
There was no hatred in my post so I dont have anything to worry about.
Maybe once the organization starts making positive moves there will be a lot less negative stuff to address. I am just kool aid-free and proud of it.
doug ftw
p.s. many times I have given props to moderators for the thankless work they do.
P
PeekingDuck
Guest
thunderkyss said:
There are precious few posts that will draw a response from me - as evidenced by my whopping post total.
But this is quite possibly one of the most ridiculous statements I've read on here and trust me, I've reads loads of stupid posts.
No offense intended Thunderkyss, just pass the dutchie, please.
Peek
Vinny
shiny happy fan
you can express disdain with the franchise as much as you want, but when you imply the mods are treating you (or anyone who carries your opinion) different because they reside on the other side of your argument I just view this as an agenda. People come here with various agendas from spam to just wanting to see chaotic responses, but we encourage debate about the team and can't get it with this place full of flip personal agendas. That goes from "homer guy" to "waaa my pee pee hurt guy". Most of us fall in the middle somewhere but all of us need to help keep this a place worth hosting. It just takes the smallest effort really.Second Honeymoon said:
OzzO
.. and then?
Chawky1 said:
Vinny said:
Paging Ibar.... I think you just had two people "verbally" agree with you to have the pass setup the run. (I'm sure there are many more that agree behind the scenes, m. board, as well.)
As for the original post... agree with some stats may be misleading, and there may have been some garbage time to adjust those stats.... but I tell you what - I would rather have that than the "give up" attitude or lousy stats on the team.
.... but I'd like a win as well - as I'm sure the team would.
bigTEXan8
Rookie
A4toZ said:Paging Ibar.... I think you just had two people "verbally" agree with you to have the pass setup the run. (I'm sure there are many more that agree behind the scenes, m. board, as well.)
As for the original post... agree with some stats may be misleading, and there may have been some garbage time to adjust those stats.... but I tell you what - I would rather have that than the "give up" attitude or lousy stats on the team.
.... but I'd like a win as well - as I'm sure the team would.
make that three...i think ibar is a smart guy.
bigTEXan8 said:
Eli will have more TDs & Ws than Carr as well.......
& I'm comparing Carr against Eli, both against the Eagles.
run-david-run
All Pro
For about 50 minutes against the Eagles, Carr acctually had better stats. Obviously Eli exploded in the 4th, but dont forget you need a defense to get you the ball back after you score. The Giants had that, we didnt.thunderkyss said:
blockhead83
Rookie
Vinny said:
You make it sound as if you're placing the onus for our poor running game on Carr's deficiencies. Isn't the Broncos system based on using the run to set up the pass, and not vice versa? Not trying to argue or call you out, but just generally curious as to whether it's the other way around.
You have to admit Carr is looking downfield much more often instead of dumping it off all the time, albeit not in the 'seams'. Most of his throws have been 5 or 6 yard darts, but he's shown great accuracy on his longer throws as well. I haven't seen him come out throwing our receivers uncatchable balls.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Football is a game of countermeasures. You have to do both run and pass because teams can take away any one-dimensional strength you may have unless of course you have a true superstar like Earl Campbell or John Elway that can impose their will on you. We don't have one of them.blockhead83 said:
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
PowerfulDragon said:
Yeah,
after his CENTER and two of his STARTING O-Linemen were taken out with injuries. In other words Carrs protection was deminished. What's your point again?
DH
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Vinny said:
Translation: Everything that's wrong with the Texans..ISN'T Carr's fault.
DH
CoastalTexan
Waterboy
Being winless with Carr's stats says something else is wrong, something that we have invested many many top half draft picks on.
noxiousdog
Rookie
NJ Texan said:
It means he's not throwing interceptions and that the Texans have been far enough behind that the safties are playing deep.
"He's [Carr] got to play for four quarters," Kubiak said. "I'm gonna be on his butt until he becomes a four-quarter player."
In my mind, this quote from Kubiak speaks volumes over Carr's stats in two losses.
In my mind, this quote from Kubiak speaks volumes over Carr's stats in two losses.
indeed, something else is wrong witht the texans, the defense isn't as good as it was the first three years, still doesn't mean that david carr is any good, the stats are inflated because in both games the opposing team had no worry of losing the game, true the two teams are playoff bound, but the texans didn't even look like worthy opponents, that says alot about where this franchise is in it fifth year