Kaiser Toro
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BigBull17 said:
Well there are many fans out there who are not caught up in the VY man crush, like myself, who think we can spend 7 million dollars in better places.
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David Carr deserves to start here 1 more year
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Well there are many fans out there who are not caught up in the VY man crush, like myself, who think we can spend 7 million dollars in better places.
BigBull17 said:
Pay the man.
The sportsworld always pays on potential. That's what we paid DC on, so what's the big difference. Since when has the top 3 in any sport coming out of college not been paid a small fortune on potential?!
This is not an exception case, this guy could be the top 3 in the draft,
what do u expect.
texan279
Hall of Fame
Dennis007 said:Pay the man.
The sportsworld always pays on potential. That's what we paid DC on, so what's the big difference. Since when has the top 3 in any sport coming out of college not been paid a small fortune on potential?!
This is not an exception case, this guy could be the top 3 in the draft,
what do u expect.
We paid Carr on the 46 TD's and 4839 yards he threw for, which led the nation in his senior season as well as his 62.8 completion percentage. He was also only the 6th player to throw for over 4,000 yards and over 40 TD's. He also won four awards his senior season, including the Johnny Unitas award, and was named the WAC offensive player of the year and first team All-WAC.
texan279 said:
You're right though, he's WAC-k, ALL WAC-k.
The Rosebowl 2005 - Arguably the best college bowl in history.
BEST in the WAC -BEST IN THE NATION ??? - Hmm Hard choice huh?
Let me break it down further - Who has more power, the Mayor or the President?! Easy enough? -
texan279
Hall of Fame
Dennis007 said:You're right though, he's WAC-k, ALL WAC-k.
The Rosebowl 2006 - Arguably the best college bowl in history.
BEST in the WAC -BEST IN THE NATION ??? - Hmm Hard choice huh?
Let me break it down further - Who has more power, the Mayor or the President?! Easy enough? -
Carr was the best QB in the country his senior year...
TheOgre said:
Good points, and I agree. Bad coaching can drive a team into the ground quicker than anything. And if anyone wants to disagree that this team was horribly coached, then explain firing our OC two games into a season, and explain why none of them are no longer here.
I'll support the Texans regardless if Carr or Young is at QB. I don't blindly support any one player, because valid arguments can be made on both sides of the debate.
But to ignore the FACT that this entire 2005 Texans SUCKED beyond anything I've had to endure while pinning it all on one man is ludicrous. It amazes me how completely rational human beings can turn off logic because of a personal agenda.
The truth of the matter is that nothing about the 2005 Texans, at 2-14, was worth a dime (save for Mathis).
You could pretty much fire 95% of the team and start over from scratch for all I care.
But don't be so dense to blame ONE PLAYER for it all, because it was a TEAM meltdown, plain and simple.
And ONE PLAYER, be it Young or Bush, will not make a darn bit of difference unless there are fundamental changes in the way this franchise operates. Four freakin' years to get a consistent offensive line, and here we sit still waiting. It's clear that the front office of this team, from Mr. McNair to Casserly to the scouts to the coaching staff has failed to put together a TEAM, but instead have focussed on individual players.
Hopefully things are changing. Only time will tell. But Vince Young is NOT Jesus Christ, and he will NOT perform miracles on the worst team in football unless many things are upgraded soon. Why anyone expects David Carr to do the same is beyond me. He's one player, one position, on a team sport.
texplayer2
Waterboy
texan279 said:
Lots of people around here seem to have those things.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Double Barrel said:
DB good post. The only thing I would add is that when you are 2-14 in sports, much like a corporation missing their number for the year, you start looking at the costly expenses. As you know I am not for ever drafting a QB at the #1, due to historicals in the salary cap era showing that it is not prudent for Super Bowl Champions.
Does the first four years of ineptness rest on Carr? Absolutley not. But his contract is where we should start in trying to right this ship.
Very Good Post.Double Barrel said:
I pray that Casserly and his Cronies were trying to boost the Value of the #1 pick, by saying we'll definitely take Regie Bush. I hope he means to do the smart thing, and get us an offensive line, and a pass rush. If he is serious about using the pick, then I've got to fight for, and demand Vince Young. If that means I have to be against David Carr, then I'm against David Carr.
If we trade down, and make good picks in the Draft, and FA, to fix our lines, I'll be happy, and I believe the majority of Fans will be...... But it has got to translate into wins. If we do the right thing, and end up with 6 wins, trying to win our 7th in week 17, I, and I'll assume the rest of us Vince Supporters... will be in a hoot.
If we Pick Reggie Bush We had better win a SuperBowl.
If we pick Vince, we can go 2-14 again,(we know we won't, but we could).....
texplayer2
Waterboy
thunderkyss said:
I want the Texans to win, and giving Vince a couple Years because he went to UT is not an acceptable line of logic to me.
I would definitely expect results out of our #1 pick no matter who he is.
CaptainPatriot
Waterboy
eriadoc said:
Why you attacking me? I`m just giving an opinion about the facts I have seen in the past 4 yrs! So what you are saying that all these scouts and coaches never make a mistake? What does SMARTS have to do about drafting? The Draft is a crap shoot. 1 more thing the NFL is not FAIR. NFL also stands for (Not for Long).Players come and players go! Maybe you should find another sport that is fair that will make you feel all warm and fuzzy?
eriadoc
Texan-American
CaptainPatriot said:
I'm not attacking you at all. I don't know you well enough to have a beef with you. Your statement alluding that Carr has had four years of fair treatment is totally fair game, however. I never said the NFL is fair, and I understand how things go in the NFL. If you think that Carr should toughen up because life isn't fair, I have no quarrel with that opinion. But YOU said that he's had four years of fair treatment, which is pretty blatantly wrong, IMO.
texplayer2
Waterboy
stevo3883 said:
At the Very top #1 pick, their needs to be an impact.
I would have been real disgruntled if we would have gotten him #1 overall.
Mightymike
Waterboy
gtexan02 said:
the first year he might not, but wait until 3-4 years from now he'll be lightyears ahead of carr
bdiddy
Waterboy
TexansTrueFan said:
I hate this argument. Reggie Bush always runs to the outside in college because this is all he needs to do.
This is like saying, in college all Olajuwon did was dunk on people. Well, yeah thats true, but he had no need to do anything else. Once he got to the pros and realized he needed to do more he did more. If you are a great athlete, coaching can cure bad habits learned by dominating at a lower level of competition.
Reggie Bush is very coachable and has tremendous talent, with proper coaching he will have no problem executing inside runs in the zone blocking scheme. He will never be an every down RB, or our man inside runner, but this does not mean he cannot do it at all. Have you looked at Denver's running backs? Not all of them have been exactly huge, sure some have and some haven't. In the zone blocking scheme it is all about running against the grain - make one cut and accelerate. We all know that Bush can accelerate with the best backs in the NFL, once gets his reads down lookout.
CaptainPatriot
Waterboy
eriadoc said:
Oh Ok understood. Look what happen to Brooks at N.O. this year.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Just fetched this near season's end list of Texans needs with an unbiased opinion, not great stuff but at least it does take us back to some root issues before the end of season. http://football.about.com/od/teamneeds/a/teamneeds_HOU.htm
David Carr has not quite lived up to the expectations of being a No.1 overall pick. Carr is not the perfect quarterback and he still has some flaws, but he is not at all fully responsible for the offensive woes in Houston. Carr's accuracy is not exceptional, as he has consistently overthrown his receivers, but has often thrown on the run. His unique delivery leaves him susceptible to batted down passes and his interception totals are unimpressive. Carr has been error-prone in his early career and his game management skills still need to be sharpened, but he has the tools and talent to eventually develop into an elite NFL Quarterback.
David Carr has not quite lived up to the expectations of being a No.1 overall pick. Carr is not the perfect quarterback and he still has some flaws, but he is not at all fully responsible for the offensive woes in Houston. Carr's accuracy is not exceptional, as he has consistently overthrown his receivers, but has often thrown on the run. His unique delivery leaves him susceptible to batted down passes and his interception totals are unimpressive. Carr has been error-prone in his early career and his game management skills still need to be sharpened, but he has the tools and talent to eventually develop into an elite NFL Quarterback.
texplayer2
Waterboy
Mightymike said:
In 3-4 yrs. the price of gas could be 4-5 $ a gallon. The National Championship Game of 2006, will be a fading memory and the Texans MIGHT be in a Superbowl with Carr, Reggie, and that awesome line we developed along the way. Kubiak Might be coach of the year that year also.
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
Waterboy
I Do Agree We Need To Give David One More Year, Let's Face It People Young Is Good In College But This Is The Nfl Only The Best Of The Best, I Do Not Believe Playing Baylor, Rice And Texas A&m Are Even Close To Nfl Standards. When Are You People Going To Give David Carr Any Credit, He Has Taking A Beating For The Team And The Fans Of Houston. Give Him A O-line And Let's See How He Does, Vince Young Is Good, But We Already Have A Great Qb, Let's Pass On Him And Give Our Qb One More Chance. Please Back Up The Players We Already Have And Stop Looking For Just One Man That Win's The Rose Bowl To Make All The Difference.
texplayer2 said:I want the Texans to win, and giving Vince a couple Years because he went to UT is not an acceptable line of logic to me.
I'm just saying Fans will give management a break.......... With Vince, we'll win at least 6 games.......if you can honestly see Carr winning 6 games next year, and think that is fine, and good, then by all means....... support your quarterback.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
DB, I liked your post above. When you are 2-14 and have been unsuccessful for 4 years well then NOBODY DESERVEs to be on the team because it is obvious that you don't have the talent to win. Is it all Carr's fault?No, but I don't see why people don't think he is blameless and that the team let him down. He caused many of his own problems and IMO I don't have faith in the guy. Right now no one deserves anything and we need to get to the point in the franchise where people have to beat out or earn their time.
HoustonFrog said:
I think........ Honestly, that Domanick deserves to be on this team. We've got no passing offense, we are one dimensional, and he nearly got 1000 yards. He get's hurt, true. I'm willing to give him at least one year, to see if he can stay healthy. Of course, if Wells, or Morency comes in, and get the job done, they deserve to start, and DD will have to take his carries when he can get them, and make the most of them. But there is no way, I'd use a #1 overall for any running back, it just doesn't make sense to me.
thunderkyss said:
What's so funny is how the DC suppoters use the excuse of the OL but want to draft Reggie as if we don't have a solid RB in DD....
If everyone is going to make excuses for DC about why he is sooooo unsuccessful then DD needs to be praised that much more for having a solid year with no OL.
The RB needs an OL just like the QB..
Excuses, excuses for DC-
Trade em!
TheOgre
All Pro
beerlover said:
Good find. I agree with his take. Basically as far as starters go on defense we DEFINITELY need to sign good to great veterans to play LDE and at least one of our safety positions. I think we can survive with Babin at RDE and CC Brown starting at one of the safety positions for at least one year. I'd like to see if Babin can return to his college pass rushing skills if he is on the line (remember some of his best games in college were against BCS conference teams). We could also take a safety with a 3rd-4th round selection to give CC competition and add depth. Glenn Earl isn't starting material, but he is good enough to be our backup SS. Depth might be an issue at MLB and DE, but we cannot fix everything in one offseason.
Offensively we will likely add Bush (but potentially Young). We should draft a OL and TE with our 2nd and one of our 3rd's. Depending on how many of our starters on the line leave or are cut, will dictate how many FA's we have to sign. Since the guys Kubiak wants need to be lighter and quicker, I wouldn't be surprised to see us let Wiegert, Wade (lots of dead money though), and/or McKinney go. I don't see Pitts going anywhere though. We should sign wait until late in the FA period and snatch up an undervalued WR to compete with Mathis for our #2 slot. I'd like to see Gaffney come back as our #3 guy, but I don't know if he wants that.
Lots of decisions. I do wonder if Kris Brown "missed" those kicks or was manuveuring to get us the #1 pick. I guess if he is cut, we know our answer.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
Dennis007 said:What's so funny is how the DC suppoters use the excuse of the OL but want to draft Reggie as if we don't have a solid RB in DD....
If everyone is going to make excuses for DC about why he is sooooo unsuccessful then DD needs to be praised that much more for having a solid year with no OL.
The RB needs an OL just like the QB..
Excuses, excuses for DC-
Pass blocking and run blocking are very different. An OL can be good at one and bad at the other. We have a good run blocking line, but a bad pass blocking line.
Dennis007 said:What's so funny is how the DC suppoters use the excuse of the OL but want to draft Reggie as if we don't have a solid RB in DD....
If everyone is going to make excuses for DC about why he is sooooo unsuccessful then DD needs to be praised that much more for having a solid year with no OL.
The RB needs an OL just like the QB..
Excuses, excuses for DC-
That is even when you acknowledge RunBlocking is not the same as Pass protection. Look at Denver, those guys are great at Pass Protection. Why shouldn't we think David should be having the kind of season Jake is having??
David is a fine QB, but he needs a pocket to pass from. These guys won't give it to him, and you won't transform them over one offseason. We need a guy who can pass on the move...
TexansTrue#1Fan
Practice Squad
Watching the texans this season made me wonder, is the problem really our offensive line or is it David Carr? Our OL almost had a 1000yd runner (due to injury DD missed it by 24yds), and two other rb that had a combine yds of 509, almost getting 1500yds is really good. Carr, watching him all year, he held the ball to long (they are called 3 step drops for a reason), when he audible to a quick slant, he held the ball too long and got sacked, a quick slant needs the freakin ball thrown quickly, and he also has trouble throwing the deep ball accurately. And I'm sure you all saw the 49ers v. Texans game, first half stats Carr was 4/11 for 23yds, 23YARDS!!! that's ridiculous. It was a good thing he got hurt, on the first play banks was there he completed a 31 yard pass, on his first pass completion he already had more yards than Carr did in the first HALF. I think Carr has been given to much leverage because of his mechanics, the thing is he's a terrible quarterback, the last game Banks showed that it's not the O-Line, but rather Carr.HoustonFan said: