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Darren Sharper - Rapist?

Carr Bombed said:
so you have made definitive statements.. whatever floats your boat counselor :rolleyes:
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You are jumping to some rather large conclusions about his motives. Let's face it - he's probably not going to admit guilt, which means he's certainly not going to say it was about sex, power, a fetish or a combination of all three.

In the hypothetical that it is some sort of sleeping fetish, a partner willing to act things out consensually wouldn't be that hard to come by.
 
2012Champs said:
You either can't admit you are incorrect or you simply can't see the forest for the trees.
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or you just can't argue your point any more and just move on... which is why we're now getting these one line rebuttal posts that have absolutely nothing to do with this topic or anything in general.
 
Carr Bombed said:
As soon as you change your post back to it's original form I will. It said " unlike you, I haven't made any definitive statements in this thread". (which you've done many times)
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It still does. What are you alleging?

In any event stop avoiding and show these many definitive statements. It sure isn't my 1st post:

infantrycak said:
The reports I have read agree with 2012. Women have been saying for years rape is about power more than sex. In the NSZ I posted a quote from military.com about the military having to retrain commanders and JAG officers the same thing and they specifically mentioned the majority of the time sexual assaults on male servicemembers is committed by heterosexual males as an act of hazing or dominance.
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1st off, note that both were attributed to someone else. 2nd, neither is definitive. Now prove up or shut up.
 
Carr Bombed said:
or you just can't argue your point any more and just move on... which is why we're now getting these one line rebuttal posts that have absolutely nothing to do with this topic or anything in general.
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Truth is you said you didn't get why someone with looks/money would do something like this. I tried to explain its not about getting laid, which it isn't or he would just get laid. The control and power you have over someone else is a big driving force even in your example where someone is told "no" you just continue to ignore reality and bring up silly stuff like your mom and sisters and pointing at fetishes instead of understanding what's really going on
 
infantrycak said:
It still does. What are you alleging?

In any event stop avoiding and show these many definitive statements. It sure isn't my 1st post:



1st off, note that both were attributed to someone else. 2nd, neither is definitive. Now prove up or shut up.
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First of all, I'm not a mod, I don't have the power to change what is written so I can't quote or "prove" what was originally typed and what I originally responded to.. The fact that you're now responding to "both" accounts is the only proof I can provide... unless it's changed after the fact. :rolleyes:
 
Carr Bombed said:
First of all, I'm not a mod, I don't have the power to change what is written so I can't quote or "prove" what was originally typed and what I originally responded to.. The fact that you're now responding to "both" accounts is the only proof I can provide... unless it's changed after the fact. :rolleyes:
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Guess you are admitting you can't show any definitive statements since you have once again failed to identify any.

You in fact can edit your posts but there is a time limit of either half and hour or an hour - can't remember.

I see nothing of significance different in the two versions - the 2nd made explicit what was implicit in the 1st. You've failed to identify any definitive statements AT ALL much less the host you claim so it doesn't matter.
 
2012Champs said:
Truth is you said you didn't get why someone with looks/money would do something like this. I tried to explain its not about getting laid, which it isn't or he would just get laid. The control and power you have over someone else is a big driving force even in your example where someone is told "no" you just continue to ignore reality and bring up silly stuff like your mom and sisters and pointing at fetishes instead of understanding what's really going on
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He already had complete control over the entire situation (which is why your power and control is the main driving force is complete crap).. and he still didn't stop. It wasn't good enough to just lure women up to his room.. he had to drug them to the point where they passed out. Now how many rapist who just need "power and control" do that? How many times have you listened to the evening news and heard about a drug rape (especially after the perp has his victims room and boarded) I'd really like to hear those statistics. It hardly ever happens... which is why this case goes WAY beyond simple "power and control" rape. The guy has sick sexual needs to fill... sick sexual fetishes.
 
infantrycak said:
Guess you are admitting you can't show any definitive statements since you have once again failed to identify any.

You in fact can edit your posts but there is a time limit of either half and hour or an hour - can't remember.

I see nothing of significance different in the two versions - the 2nd made explicit what was implicit in the 1st. You've failed to identify any definitive statements AT ALL much less the host you claim so it doesn't matter.
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proof :rolleyes:
 
Carr Bombed said:
Hey you asked me to provide it (proof).. and you admitted to it. You can post all the bunny pancakes that you want too. It still won't change the fact that you will rearrange posts and change talking points in order to help your argument..
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I haven't admitted jack crap. You can't prove your allegation either on definitive statements or post manipulation. The meaning remained exactly the same and you are being a tool because you have been called out and can't prove your claim. This is not one of your better moments.

I'm done on this. Post another lying claim of victory if you feel so compelled.
 
Carr Bombed said:
He already had complete control over the entire situation (which is why your power and control is the main driving force is complete crap).. and he still didn't stop. It wasn't good enough to just lure women up to his room.. he had to drug them to the point where they passed out. Now how many rapist who just need "power and control" do that? How many times have you listened to the evening news and heard about a drug rape (especially after the perp has his victims room and boarded) I'd really like to hear those statistics. It hardly ever happens... which is why this case goes WAY beyond simple "power and control" rape. The guy has sick sexual needs to fill... sick sexual fetishes.
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He didn't have control over the women until they were drugged. If I ask you to come to my room and you do that's not control. You keep going to this fetish as your out to prove something and all it proves is that's getting laid isn't what it's all about. If I knock you out I have complete control
 
2012Champs said:
He didn't have control over the women until they were drugged. If I ask you to come to my room and you do that's not control. You keep going to this fetish as your out to prove something and all it proves is that's getting laid isn't what it's all about. If I knock you out I have complete control
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You really don't have a clue at all about this. How do you know what his intentions were? How do you know if he had a fetish or not? How do you know if Sharper didn't willingly tell these girls about this stuff and they forgot about it once the drug took its effect and they didn't recall talking about it? How do you know that Sharper didn't just give it to them because he wasn't sure if he could close the deal, and just wanted a plan B to help him out? If that last question was true, than I don't think that would be control at all. I think that would be a just a dirty trick to accomplish the task he was after. Some guys will do grimy things like that in order to finish the deal if they think the girl might not be willing to go all the way at that particular time.

The fact is none of us know. You just have this story where these women have drugs in their system and it appears that they had intercourse with Sharper. On the surface it appears to be a case of rape, but you don't know what the hell he did it for or whether he is just control fanatic or not. Not sure why you are arguing so strongly about it one way or the other.
 
Texecutioner said:
How do you know that Sharper didn't just give it to them because he wasn't sure if he could close the deal, and just wanted a plan B to help him out?
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Just carrying the drugs around with him, makes it per-meditated, don't you think?

Admittedly, this argument is confusing to me. What does it matter why Sharper did what he did? If proven, he's a rapist and goes to prison. Does anyone here think their oare levels of rape that make it acceptable? No. So, what the hell?
 
Lucky said:
Just carrying the drugs around with him, makes it per-meditated, don't you think?
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Most likely. That is my first guess. However, some women take drugs like Xanex, Oxy, or Rufi's and other pain killers to intensify their alcohol consumption. When I was young and partied all of the time I remember partying with plenty of girls that did stuff like that and I always was careful if I knew they took stuff like that. I never wanted to wake up with one of them knowing they might not remember a ton of stuff they did or took the night before. Those types of drugs have a huge effect on memory loss, and one could easily forget taking a pill the night before even if they wanted it really badly and took it all on their own. When I was in HS, Rufi's were all over the place. 17 and 18 year old girls popped those things like crazy.

Lucky said:
Admittedly, this argument is confusing to me. What does it matter why Sharper did what he did? If proven, he's a rapist and goes to prison. Does anyone here think their oare levels of rape that make it acceptable? No. So, what the hell?
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Well, I hate rape just as much as anyone does, but I don't think one random article on someone that doesn't have a history of any of this kind of stuff tells all the facts as they are. Maybe, Sharper is a sick individual and it appears that way on the surface, but I'm not aware of any history that makes this completely obvious like it would if it were Pac Man Jones or Jim Brown or someone like that. But to answer your question, I do think there are worse levels of rape to some degree, but that would be a subjective conversation with differing opinions. None of them would be acceptable in any case though. I hope that answers your question.
 
Texecutioner said:
You really don't have a clue at all about this. How do you know what his intentions were? How do you know if he had a fetish or not? How do you know if Sharper didn't willingly tell these girls about this stuff and they forgot about it once the drug took its effect and they didn't recall talking about it? How do you know that Sharper didn't just give it to them because he wasn't sure if he could close the deal, and just wanted a plan B to help him out? If that last question was true, than I don't think that would be control at all. I think that would be a just a dirty trick to accomplish the task he was after. Some guys will do grimy things like that in order to finish the deal if they think the girl might not be willing to go all the way at that particular time.

The fact is none of us know. You just have this story where these women have drugs in their system and it appears that they had intercourse with Sharper. On the surface it appears to be a case of rape, but you don't know what the hell he did it for or whether he is just control fanatic or not. Not sure why you are arguing so strongly about it one way or the other.
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Well given Sharper's track record with the number of cases it doesn't appear the drugs are intentionally ingested by said women although they could be and they could have consented to sex and they are all wrong about being sexually assaulted. Clearly Sharper is innocent of all actions and these women are just trying to trap another athelet
 
Lucky said:
Just carrying the drugs around with him, makes it per-meditated, don't you think?

Admittedly, this argument is confusing to me. What does it matter why Sharper did what he did? If proven, he's a rapist and goes to prison. Does anyone here think their oare levels of rape that make it acceptable? No. So, what the hell?
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I'm not sure anyone here is arguing acceptability. A few posters brought up the fact they didn't understand why someone like sharper would do something like this as he should be able to get laid without a problem and that's when I said "rape" isn't about getting laid but involves more than that ie control, power over the victim not just simply ah I wanna get laid tonight lets go rape some folks
 
2012Champs said:
Well given Sharper's track record with the number of cases it doesn't appear the drugs are intentionally ingested by said women although they could be and they could have consented to sex and they are all wrong about being sexually assaulted. Clearly Sharper is innocent of all actions and these women are just trying to trap another athelet
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You make a ton of assumptions and conclusions without knowing squat other than one article and then come back and take a question and turn it into some other conclusion. Lol! Same typical non response from you that I expected. Enjoy those reds.
 
Texecutioner said:
You make a ton of assumptions and conclusions without knowing squat other than one article and then come back and take a question and turn it into some other conclusion. Lol! Same typical non response from you that I expected. Enjoy those reds.
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It is a little more than one article. Sharper is being investigated in 4-5 states.
 
Texecutioner said:
You make a ton of assumptions and conclusions without knowing squat other than one article and then come back and take a question and turn it into some other conclusion. Lol! Same typical non response from you that I expected. Enjoy those reds.
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**** I was about to redeem my reps for a vacation too you dick


It's more than an article smart guy and you would be better served to read the thread in its entirety prior to running your mouth and you would have known that. I might save you from looking foolish, probably not but it's possible. Don't let
 
2012Champs said:
**** I was about to redeem my reps for a vacation too you dick


It's more than an article smart guy and you would be better served to read the thread in its entirety prior to running your mouth and you would have known that. I might save you from looking foolish, probably not but it's possible. Don't let
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Maybe if you'd stop trying to so hard to act like you know stuff and telling others what they don't know then and would actually engage in a conversation instead of these non responsive posts that serve no purpose at all, you'd realize that there are more scenarios that could exist outside of your little bubble you walk around in.
 
Texecutioner said:
Maybe if you'd stop trying to so hard to act like you know stuff and telling others what they don't know then and would actually engage in a conversation instead of these non responsive posts that serve no purpose at all, you'd realize that there are more scenarios that could exist outside of your little bubble you walk around in.
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Just because you don't like my response doesn't mean it's non responsive. Believe me my view that rape isn't about just getting laid is much further from a bubble than think rape is all about getting laid.

When did you realize that sharper is being accused of this multiple times? Was it before or after you popped off?
 
infantrycak said:
It is a little more than one article. Sharper is being investigated in 4-5 states.
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Hell, he might be a serial rapist. I haven't stated he isn't or might not be. I just don't think that any person can have that strong of a conclusion based on this one article. Has Sharper been convicted or rape before? Does he have a long history of violence or something? When I hear about Mike Tyson or Jim Brown having a run in with a woman, I immediately feel like he did it based on a ton of incidents in the past and problems with self control. I've just seen a lot of athletes get their names stomped on over the years and then later it come out that there was a misunderstanding or more facts come to the table that tell more to a story. The situation with Merriman and Tila Tequila comes to mind.
 
2012Champs said:
A few posters brought up the fact they didn't understand why someone like sharper would do something like this ...
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I don't think anyone can truly "understand" why someone would do this. Unless it's the person that did it, and maybe he doesn't even understand. I'm seeing a lot of posturing on both sides of an argument that is not winnable. We don't know what was going through his head when he did this.
 
Lucky said:
I don't think anyone can truly "understand" why someone would do this. Unless it's the person that did it, and maybe he doesn't even understand. I'm seeing a lot of posturing on both sides of an argument that is not winnable. We don't know what was going through his head when he did this.
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Exactly, which is what my main point was. I illustrated several questions to the poster who keeps claiming that he does know what the intent was to show that it could potentially be several scenarios. The fact is none of us know at the moment. Not enough information. I hope that I answered your question earlier by the way. I was by no means suggesting that it was known that he was giving those drugs to them, but that maybe it could have been and that I've seen that situation before with different drugs. But people are going to assume what they want and what intent was at play regardless as you can see.
 
2012Champs said:
Just because you don't like my response doesn't mean it's non responsive. Believe me my view that rape isn't about just getting laid is much further from a bubble than think rape is all about getting laid.

When did you realize that sharper is being accused of this multiple times? Was it before or after you popped off?
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Your response was your typical exaggeration of what I said which was a series of questions that could be possibilities of what the intent was for Sharper or for what might have happened. I never suggested that any of them were likely or not likely. You just took the one you didn't like and acted like it was some sort of conclusion of mine which again is "non responsive" to what I was explaining to you. You don't know what the guy's intent was, nor do you know how everything happened based on this one article. You continuing to make this all about control is perhaps true, but that isn't fact either. You simply don't know why he did this or what his reasoning or intent might have been to execute whatever plan he had. Try having a discussion instead of taking people's posts and trying to make them mean something else all of the time. It doesn't make you seem smarter. It just makes it impossible to have a conversation about the thread with you.
 
Lucky said:
I don't think anyone can truly "understand" why someone would do this. Unless it's the person that did it, and maybe he doesn't even understand. I'm seeing a lot of posturing on both sides of an argument that is not winnable. We don't know what was going through his head when he did this.
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There seem to be two different conversations going on here - the specific incident and rape in general.

My portion of the conversation was meant to be on rape in general.
 
Texecutioner said:
Your response was your typical exaggeration of what I said which was a series of questions that could be possibilities of what the intent was for Sharper or for what might have happened. I never suggested that any of them were likely or not likely. You just took the one you didn't like and acted like it was some sort of conclusion of mine which again is "non responsive" to what I was explaining to you. You don't know what the guy's intent was, nor do you know how everything happened based on this one article. You continuing to make this all about control is perhaps true, but that isn't fact either. You simply don't know why he did this or what his reasoning or intent might have been to execute whatever plan he had. Try having a discussion instead of taking people's posts and trying to make them mean something else all of the time. It doesn't make you seem smarter. It just makes it impossible to have a conversation about the thread with you.
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There was a conversation going on prior to you entering and trying to write a book with each post. I never said I knew exactly why Sharper was doing any of this, all I said is rape isn't just about getting laid. Nonresponsive, unresponsive don't apply when someone respond to you
 
When sex is used as a weapon then it's about power. This crime is not about power or control. If it were then Sharper would have them awaken so they can acknowledge being dominated and humiliated. Acknowledgement can be expressed through the fear and tears in the victims' eyes. Or it can be the sound of their crying or trembling of their hands. And it could be the victims verbally pleading to the rapist

Without those acknowledgements of powerless, then it's not about power, it's about a specific sexual gratification.

I read all about this in a Playboy article a few years ago, can't remember what year. A husband wrote a letter asking advice on how to approach asking his wife for sex while she was asleep. Interestingly the sex expert revealed she gets tons of letter from this topics from everyday normal people.
 
Phew...this guy only is accused of raping several women. That's a relief.

I mean, it could be worse, he could be THE GAY, amirite?
 
IlliniJen said:
Phew...this guy only is accused of raping several women. That's a relief.

I mean, it could be worse, he could be THE GAY, amirite?
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No, THE GAY right now is Michael Sam. Sharper would just be "a gay" at this point. He missed his chance to cash in on the opportunity of a lifetime!
 
Dutchrudder said:
No, THE GAY right now is Michael Sam. Sharper would just be "a gay" at this point. He missed his chance to cash in on the opportunity of a lifetime!
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Everytime I write "the gay," I hear it in Margaret Cho's voice:

"Is he the gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay?"
"Yes mom, he's THE gay."
 
infantrycak said:
The reports I have read agree with 2012. Women have been saying for years rape is about power more than sex. In the NSZ I posted a quote from military.com about the military having to retrain commanders and JAG officers the same thing and they specifically mentioned the majority of the time sexual assaults on male servicemembers is committed by heterosexual males as an act of hazing or dominance.
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:eek:

Ummmm...that's kinda' gay....

Carr Bombed said:
ding ding, we have a winner. This is all I was trying to say. This had nothing to do with "power and control", it was all about feeding the beast and filling a sick need. If those women followed him up to his bedroom he could of just had a manaja twa with two women that were willing, but that wasn't good enough for him. All his actions were premeditated and planned before hand. (which is why this goes beyond being just a simple rape case.) Sharper (if guilty) is a sick individual and needs serious help.
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I disagree...about your last point. If guilty, he doesn't need serious help. He needs a bullet to the head.

I have zero tolerance for rapists. Same as cold blooded murderers and pedophiles.

Punishment should be death.
 
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Darren Sharper is the subject of a new sexual battery investigation in Miami Beach, now bringing his stats to eight cases in five states.
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Darren Sharper accused of two more rapes, arrest warrant issued
The New Orleans Police Department announced today that it has issued an arrest warrant for Sharper, who stands accused of raping two women in New Orleans on September 23. He faces two charges of aggravated rape, as does an acquaintance of Sharper’s, Erik Nunez.

One of the women said she met Sharper at an event for Saints players, and that Sharper gave her a drink. She says that after she drank it there is a gap in her memory of several hours, and that the next morning she woke up with Sharper on top of her, sexually assaulting her.

In a separate case, authorities say that after a woman accused Sharper of drugging her, the glass she said Sharper gave her was analyzed and found to contain a prescription sleep medication...
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Police: Sharper told witnesses sex was non-consensual
...The New Orleans police report says the two alleged victims were "impaired by the substance to the degree that both do not recall the entirety of the sexual intercourse."

Both alleged victims said they awoke from a stupor with Sharper "completely nude" on top of them, the report states. It said the women did not consent to sex with Sharper.

An acquaintance who had key access later arrived to find Sharper dressed in boxer shorts and Nunez exiting a bedroom, also in boxer shorts, the report states. The report does not specify whose apartment they were in, but does say Nunez was seen "exiting the bedroom known to him as Darren Sharper's bedroom."

"Through further investigation by the (detectives) it was learned that Nunez and Sharper admitted to other known witnesses that he and Sharper had… sex with victims #1 and #2 without their knowledge or permission," the report states...
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Who Is Darren Sharper? Date-Rape Allegations Raise Serious Questions
The friend would tell police she believed her drink had been spiked, with the drugging leading to her sexual assault after blacking out, she told Tempe police.

Meanwhile, the woman who awoke on that sectional couch said that she had one last drink at approximately 2:15 in the morning. That same woman later told Tempe police that she had been drugged and sexually assaulted as well, and said the last thing she remembered was a man handing her that drink.

According to her police report, she said that man was Darren Sharper.

This woman's experience was just one of a number of allegations made against Sharper by at least eight women across five states, according to police reports in New Orleans, Miami Beach, Los Angeles and Las Vegas, as well as court documents from hearings in Los Angeles and New Orleans. In the documents, each of the eight accusers says Sharper, a five-time Pro Bowler and Super Bowl champion, sexually assaulted them. A ninth woman has accused him of sexual battery, according to a Miami Beach police report.
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Around noon that day, the woman told police she drove back to the apartment to confront Sharper.

She recounted this exchange in her account to police.

“What happened?” she asked him.

“You tell me,” he responded.

Sharper, she says, was acting like he was the one drugged. “What was I drinking?” he asked. “Did I throw up?”

Sharper told the woman he couldn’t remember anything from the night before. The woman didn’t believe him.

To her, Sharper was acting like he was the victim.

“I’m going to the doctor now,” the woman told Sharper. “You know what’s coming.”
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Darren Sharper reaches agreement
Friday the former safety reached a plea agreement that will settle rape charges involving at least nine women in four states.
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His Los Angeles attorney, Blair Berk, said Sharper would enter pleas in the Los Angeles and Phoenix areas on Monday that would resolve allegations there and in New Orleans and Las Vegas. Brian Russo, his attorney in Arizona, said his client will use video conferencing from Los Angeles, where he's being held, to allow him to make a change of plea in Phoenix.

Only prosecutors in Nevada provided details of their part of the deal with Sharper. He is expected to plead guilty there Tuesday to one felony charge of attempted sexual assault, with the expectation that he'll face between 38 months and eight years in prison, Clark County District Attorney Steve Wolfson told The Associated Press. He had previously been charged in the state with two counts of felony sexual assault, each carrying a possible 10 years to life.
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Wolfson said the Nevada prison term would run concurrent with other sentences in other jurisdictions.

"I'm not sure where he's going to serve his time," Wolfson said, "But he's going to serve significant time."
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Does he still face charges in other states ?? Will they all run concurrent ?!

Seems to me he got of light if its just 9 years. Shoulda buried him under the jail for eternity.
 
Corrosion said:
Does he still face charges in other states ?? Will they all run concurrent ?!

Seems to me he got of light if its just 9 years. Shoulda buried him under the jail for eternity.
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I get the impression its all part of a deal -- 9 years federal system, concurrent. Will have to get the particulars from an attorney.

Sharper appeared in a Phoenix courtroom by video-conferencing from Los Angeles. He also is expected to change his plea on similar allegations in that city, where he has been jailed since February 2014 after pleading not guilty to drugging and raping two women there in 2013.

Similar hearings will follow in Las Vegas this week and in New Orleans in the next month. In each state, he's accused of drugging and sexually assaulting women when they were unconscious or otherwise unable to resist or consent.

Sharper's attorney announced Friday that the former player reached plea agreements with prosecutors in all the cases against him.

The 39-year-old retired from the NFL in 2011 after winning a Super Bowl with the New Orleans Saints. He had a 14-year career with three teams and later worked as an analyst for the NFL network.

The alleged sexual assaults all happened since Sharper's retirement as a player.

In Arizona, Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Warren Granville said that Sharper will serve his time in federal custody and that the Louisiana case will be resolved through a federal court...
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