Dallas Cowboy Draft Board Revealed.

[beerlover]

If you are comparing all of those players then you really are a long ways off...a really long ways. All different situations. TO produced. He never got arrested or in trouble really. Did he wear out his welcome..sure. But he did it in SF and Philly too. Roy Williams....no trouble. Bad move for the picks but not a problem. Pac-Man Jones was trouble but he was given a short, incentive laced contract where they wasted no money. He was gone after his screw up. Dez Bryant is a good kid who has never been in trouble with the law, etc. He was late and hung out with Deion. Do we need to go through the bad FA moves and picks from around here too?No team is immune. All of those guys have nothing in common. You have to have more than that.

As far as UDFA. Your statement makes zero sense. You bring in guys for competition and for training camp bodies. Many teams do it. It has no bearing on a teams standings. Your either baiting or your arse is showing. Cleveland signed 1. The Super Bowl champs 14. The Chargers 20. Really?There is a correlation?

Imperial Beer sounds interesting? maybe we have more in common there

bottom line is I'm not buying how the Cowboys choose to operate. simple as that. they overspend, thats not a good buisness practice in general. they choose to be in the spotlight, having their war room televised, really, & the character of the teams make-up is 180 degree different than the Texans who despite lack of history or longevity appear to me at least to put things in proper prospective. Explain how this benefits the players or organization to sign a bunch of kids like its a big play on moneyball strength in numbers game who have close to zero shot making roster? I like the fact, the Texans signed a concise number @ need postions who actually have an outside chance. I'll track it, going to fun to revisit this thread in a couple years

 

[HoustonFrog]

Imperial Beer sounds interesting? maybe we have more in common there

bottom line is I'm not buying how the Cowboys choose to operate. simple as that. they overspend, thats not a good buisness practice in general. they choose to be in the spotlight, having their war room televised, really, & the character of the teams make-up is 180 degree different than the Texans who despite lack of history or longevity appear to me at least to put things in proper prospective. Explain how this benefits the players or organization to sign a bunch of kids like its a big play on moneyball strength in numbers game who have close to zero shot making roster? I like the fact, the Texans signed a concise number @ need postions who actually have an outside chance. I'll track it, going to fun to revisit this thread in a couple years

Imperial is the beer of Costa Rica. I like it alot!

First off they don't overspend. The Cowboys signed zero big FAs this year. Last year they signed Brooking and a few other pieces. It is a very big misconception. They aren't out there trying to buy up guys. So that is wrong. As far as the war room. They have had that with ESPN for over a decade. It isn't a big deal. Other teams have done it too. Go look at the UDFA list. Almost every team signed 10 or more guys. The Cowboys have had guys make the roster that were UDFAs. . The WR Ogletree is a great example. WWJD also reminded me that Miles Austin and Romo were UDFA also. It is how alot of teams do business. They target guys who fall in the draft and who can compete. The Texans aren't doing anything special. Again, I don't come here to rip the Texans. I've supported them. But you are acting like for their history that they are this model of excellence with FAs and drafts when that isn't true.

Have a good one!

 

[WWJD]

Imperial Beer sounds interesting? maybe we have more in common there

bottom line is I'm not buying how the Cowboys choose to operate. simple as that. they overspend, thats not a good buisness practice in general. they choose to be in the spotlight, having their war room televised, really, & the character of the teams make-up is 180 degree different than the Texans who despite lack of history or longevity appear to me at least to put things in proper prospective. Explain how this benefits the players or organization to sign a bunch of kids like its a big play on moneyball strength in numbers game who have close to zero shot making roster? I like the fact, the Texans signed a concise number @ need postions who actually have an outside chance. I'll track it, going to fun to revisit this thread in a couple years

Yea they choose to be in the spotlight! The Cowboys are a product. It's good for business. Money. Cha-ching!

 

[beerlover]

Imperial is the beer of Costa Rica. I like it alot!

never tried it, which is saying something, so I checked a source I trust Beer Advocate -

BA OVERALL
C
mediocre
w/ 106 Reviews

this seems like a pretty fair review -

rallison ( Long Beach, California )

C / 2.95
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | drink: 3.5
rDev: +2.4%

Bought and tasted in Costa Rica - compared side to side with Pilsen and Bavaria Gold.

A: All were fine for the style with good carbonation that produced a nice head. 4s all around.

S: Imperial had a strong cooked corn smell with other vegetal notes - 2.5. Pilsen had light vegetal notes but mostly a simple grainy aroma - 3.0. Bavaria had no discernable vegetal or off notes and had a simple grainy aroma.

T: Imperial was a touch harsh at the front with bitterness and hotness. Refreshing the rest of the way through. 2.5. Pilsen was simple throughout, but refreshing. Light bitterness. 3.0. Bavaria was the least bitter and had a touch more focus on bready malts (just barely). 3.5.

M: Imperial came on slightly strong but was otherwise fine. 3.0. Pilsen - 3.5. Bavaria - 3.5.

D: Given that these are meant for a hot Costa Rican day, they all drink well. I'll give a slight nod to Pilsen and Bavaria. Imperial - 3.5. Pilsen and Bavaria - 4.0.

Serving type: bottle

Reviewed on: 09-10-2009 03:35:39

why do I bring this up? because it tells me alot about the man who drinks it. hence gives me something to work with. key point is best drank on a hot day, thirst quenching. you like all things light, you prefer quanity over quality. you are easily refreshed/entertained. you don't trust anything that you can't see through. In summary as long as you feel good about things, that you received what was expected your OK with an average product.

First off they don't overspend. The Cowboys signed zero big FAs this year. Last year they signed Brooking and a few other pieces. It is a very big misconception. They aren't out there trying to buy up guys. So that is wrong. As far as the war room. They have had that with ESPN for over a decade. It isn't a big deal. Other teams have done it too. Go look at the UDFA list. Almost every team signed 10 or more guys. The Cowboys have had guys make the roster that were UDFAs. . The WR Ogletree is a great example. WWJD also reminded me that Miles Austin and Romo were UDFA also. It is how alot of teams do business. They target guys who fall in the draft and who can compete. The Texans aren't doing anything special. Again, I don't come here to rip the Texans. I've supported them. But you are acting like for their history that they are this model of excellence with FAs and drafts when that isn't true.

Have a good one!

The Texans transformation has not happened overnight, that's for sure its been very painful & dissapointing at times but yes they have turned the tables by first cutting ties with Capers then releasing Casserly into the wild. Kubiak inherited a mess, but didn't help matters by extending Carr one more year or made desperate free agent moves like Ahman Green. He finally turned the corner when Rick Smith stepped up his game & suggested a chance meeting with Matt Schaub. Then they moved defensive coordinators, elevating Frank Bush & drafting Brian Cushing . The Addition of Alex Gibbs along with his son David was some more cement for the foundation. Now young Shanahan has moved on & made way for a really good Offensive Coordinator in Dennison who adds stability/expereince before free agency & draft decisions made so he could input his two cents. Now the offesnive line is completely remade with above average depth, along with the LB's, DT's, CB's & RB's. Lets just compare the last two drafts to see excatly how they stack up.

Cowboys 2010

#24 Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma State -expected starter
# 55 Sean Lee LB Penn State -expected starter
# 126 Akwasi Owusu-Ansah DB Indiana (PA) -special teams, 3rd string CB
# 179 Sam Young T Notre Dame -2nd/3rd string OT
# 196 Jamar Wall DB Texas Tech -practice squad/special teams
# 234 Sean Lissemore DT William & Mary -practice squad/cut

cream at the top but after that all developmental

Cowboys 2009

# 69 Jason Williams LB Western Illinois -2nd string RILB
# 75 Robert Brewster T Ball State -no longer listed
# 101 Stephen McGee QB Texas A&M -3rd string
# 110 Victor Butler DE Oregon State -2nd string LOLB
# 120 Brandon Williams DE Texas Tech -3rd string LOLB
# 143 DeAngelo Smith DB Cincinnati -no longer listed
# 166 Michael Hamlin DB Clemson -starter FS
# 172 David Buehler K USC -starter PK
# 197 Stephen Hodge DB Texas Christian -3rd string ROLB
# 208 John Phillips TE Virginia -3rd string TE
# 227 Mike Mickens DB Cincinnati -no longer listed
# 229 Manuel Johnson WR Oklahoma -3rd string RWR

added alot of depth, two starters

Texans 2010

# 20 Kareem Jackson DB Alabama -expected starter RCB
# 58 Ben Tate RB Auburn -expected starter RB
# 81 Earl Mitchell DT Arizona -2nd string RDT
# 102 Darryl Sharpton LB Miami (FL) -2nd string WILL/special teams
# 118 Garrett Graham TE Wisconsin -3rd string TE/special teams
# 144 Sherrick McManis DB Northwestern - 3rd string either CB
# 187 Shelley Smith G Colorado State - 2nd string Center/OG
# 197 Trindon Holliday RB Louisiana State - expected starting KR
# 227 Dorin Dickerson TE Pittsburgh -2nd string LWR/special teams

three starters for starters as I'm thinking a couple more will become starters by seasons end (Sharpton/Smith)

Texans 2009

# 15 Brian Cushing LB USC -starter (Pro Bowl)# 46 Connor Barwin DE Cincinnati -2nd string RDE
# 77 Antoine Caldwell C Alabama -2nd string RG
# 112 Glover Quin DB New Mexico - starter LCB
# 122 Anthony Hill TE North Carolina State -3rd string TE
# 152 James Casey TE Rice -2nd string FB/special teams
# 188 Brice McCain DB Utah -2nd string RCB
# 223 Troy Nolan DB Arizona State -IR

two starters, rest (except for Nolan) fighting for starting positions, depth

 

[HoustonFrog]

never tried it, which is saying something, so I checked a source I trust Beer Advocate -

this seems like a pretty fair review -

why do I bring this up? because it tells me alot about the man who drinks it. hence gives me something to work with. key point is best drank on a hot day, thirst quenching. you like all things light, you prefer quanity over quality. you are easily refreshed/entertained. you don't trust anything that you can't see through. In summary as long as you feel good about things, that you received what was expected your OK with an average product.



The Texans transformation has not happened overnight, that's for sure its been very painful & dissapointing at times but yes they have turned the tables by first cutting ties with Capers then releasing Casserly into the wild. Kubiak inherited a mess, but didn't help matters by extending Carr one more year or made desperate free agent moves like Ahman Green. He finally turned the corner when Rick Smith stepped up his game & suggested a chance meeting with Matt Schaub. Then they moved defensive coordinators, elevating Frank Bush & drafting Brian Cushing . The Addition of Alex Gibbs along with his son David was some more cement for the foundation. Now young Shanahan has moved on & made way for a really good Offensive Coordinator in Dennison who adds stability/expereince before free agency & draft decisions made so he could input his two cents. Now the offesnive line is completely remade with above average depth, along with the LB's, DT's, CB's & RB's. Lets just compare the last two drafts to see excatly how they stack up.

Cowboys 2010

#24 Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma State -expected starter
# 55 Sean Lee LB Penn State -expected starter
# 126 Akwasi Owusu-Ansah DB Indiana (PA) -special teams, 3rd string CB
# 179 Sam Young T Notre Dame -2nd/3rd string OT
# 196 Jamar Wall DB Texas Tech -practice squad/special teams
# 234 Sean Lissemore DT William & Mary -practice squad/cut

cream at the top but after that all developmental

Cowboys 2009

# 69 Jason Williams LB Western Illinois -2nd string RILB
# 75 Robert Brewster T Ball State -no longer listed
# 101 Stephen McGee QB Texas A&M -3rd string
# 110 Victor Butler DE Oregon State -2nd string LOLB
# 120 Brandon Williams DE Texas Tech -3rd string LOLB
# 143 DeAngelo Smith DB Cincinnati -no longer listed
# 166 Michael Hamlin DB Clemson -starter FS
# 172 David Buehler K USC -starter PK
# 197 Stephen Hodge DB Texas Christian -3rd string ROLB
# 208 John Phillips TE Virginia -3rd string TE
# 227 Mike Mickens DB Cincinnati -no longer listed
# 229 Manuel Johnson WR Oklahoma -3rd string RWR

added alot of depth, two starters

Texans 2010

# 20 Kareem Jackson DB Alabama -expected starter RCB
# 58 Ben Tate RB Auburn -expected starter RB
# 81 Earl Mitchell DT Arizona -2nd string RDT
# 102 Darryl Sharpton LB Miami (FL) -2nd string WILL/special teams
# 118 Garrett Graham TE Wisconsin -3rd string TE/special teams
# 144 Sherrick McManis DB Northwestern - 3rd string either CB
# 187 Shelley Smith G Colorado State - 2nd string Center/OG
# 197 Trindon Holliday RB Louisiana State - expected starting KR
# 227 Dorin Dickerson TE Pittsburgh -2nd string LWR/special teams

three starters for starters as I'm thinking a couple more will become starters by seasons end (Sharpton/Smith)

Texans 2009

# 15 Brian Cushing LB USC -starter (Pro Bowl)# 46 Connor Barwin DE Cincinnati -2nd string RDE
# 77 Antoine Caldwell C Alabama -2nd string RG
# 112 Glover Quin DB New Mexico - starter LCB
# 122 Anthony Hill TE North Carolina State -3rd string TE
# 152 James Casey TE Rice -2nd string FB/special teams
# 188 Brice McCain DB Utah -2nd string RCB
# 223 Troy Nolan DB Arizona State -IR

two starters, rest (except for Nolan) fighting for starting positions, depth

1) Imperial isn't a beer I drink everyday or every week. I've really only had it on two trips, despite it being at Specs. Both times were in Costa Rica. Once at an all inclusive with my wife where they served only that...mostly in Chelada form. The last time was this past early March when I was there for one of my best friends bachelor party. We had a house on a hill that was one of the nicest places I've been to and they we had all inclusive booze and beer. Again, Imperial it was since it is the national beer. When I got back I changed my thing on here.

Here is our place...so yes...it was refreshing from our infinity pool with swim up bar and bartender that dropped into another pool.





2) With only 2 years under the belt, those two draft observation are purely speculation. The 2009 draft for the Cowboys can't even be observed completely because of injuries. Brewster blew out a pec while lifting in July and was on IR for the year. 3 overall were on IR to start the season. Neither of these guys ever had injuries in college...Brewster, Hodges from TCU and Branson Williams from Tech. Victor Butler played in every game last year. So this is the year where we will see what happens.

Also, with this years draft. Many experts said that the ST/return guy to get who can later play safety was Akwasi Owusu-Ansah. Some had him as a steal for the Cowboys there because of his speed and what he could do later at DB/safety. I also wouldn't rule out Sean Lissemore. The guy has speed...was a track athlete who ran an 11.2 100 for his size.. and was also considered a great pick for the 7th round. He had predraft workouts with the NY teams. He is supposed to be like their last 7th rounder to succeed and make a PB, Jay Ratliff.

Again, teams sign UDFA for depth and because their draft boards had them ranked where they give them a shot. If you found guys like Austin, Romo and Ogletree, you would too. It's smart.

Most say that it takes 3 years to see where a draft went. If you look at 2008, that is where the Cowboys young talent comes from.

 

[beerlover]

1) Imperial isn't a beer I drink everyday or every week. I've really only had it on two trips, despite it being at Specs. Both times were in Costa Rica. Once at an all inclusive with my wife where they served only that...mostly in Chelada form. The last time was this past early March when I was there for one of my best friends bachelor party. We had a house on a hill that was one of the nicest places I've been to and they we had all inclusive booze and beer. Again, Imperial it was since it is the national beer. When I got back I changes my thing on here.

Here is our place...so yes...it was refreshing from our infinity pool with swim up bar and bartender that dropped into another pool.





2) With only 2 years under the belt, those two draft observation are purely speculation. The 2009 draft for the Cowboys can't even be observed completely because of injuries. Brewster blew out a pec while lifting in July and was on IR for the year. 3 overall were on IR to start the season. Neither of these guys ever had injuries in college...Brewster, Hodges from TCU and Branson Williams from Tech. Victor Butler played in every game last year. So this is the year where we will see what happens.

Also, with this years draft. Many experts said that the ST/return guy to get who can later play safety was Akwasi Owusu-Ansah. Some had him as a steal for the Cowboys there because of his speed and what he could do later at DB/safety. I also wouldn't rule out Sean Lissemore. The guy has speed...was a teachk athlete who ran an 11.2 100 for his size.. and was also considered a great pick for the 7th round. He had predraft workouts with the NY teams. He is supposed to be like their last 7th rounder to succeed and make a PB, Jay Ratliff.

Again, teams sign UDFA for depth and because their draft boards had them ranked where they give them a shot. If you found guys like Austin, Romo and Ogletree, you would too. It's smart.

Most say that it takes 3 years to see where a draft went. If you look at 2008, that is where the Cowboys young talent comes from.

1. very nice. thanks for sharing that

2. Akwasi is a player many of us wanted to see drafted by the Texans. 4th rd. is excellent value as most thought he should be taken in the 3rd. Had surgery to repair his shoulder but still competed @ combine then ran that fast time @ Ohio States Pro-Day. really big for a CB, may be moved to safety but I think he can compete for Cowboys as returner.

3. you proved another point I have made repeatedly. nobody knows their own team better than fans of said team. I don't follow the Cowboys so I arrived with position ratings directly off impartial outside agency, ourlads depth chart. I do follow the draft & after the first few picks Cowboy drafts really get wild & crazy with a bunch of thier own projections, more power to them which also supports my theory they like to play numbers game & hope a couple transition to next level. the appeal to many of these types of players has to give them extra incentive to want to be on the famed Cowboys. this also makes it real hard to grade, so I'll give you that.

BL