D-Rob in PRO BOWL as a ROOKIE

[Beastlyman2003]

I was just submitting my pro bowl ballot on NFL.com, and i got to the cornerback category. i just want yall to look at each stat and tell me that D-Rob should not be in the probowl.

Choose up to 3
AFC Cornerback Choose up to 3
NFC Cornerback

Player Team INT TAK PassesDefensed
AFC
D. Abraham NYJ 1 40 8
C. Bailey DEN 3 66 8
D. Barrett NYJ 2 60 10
G. Baxter BAL 0 65 10
P. Buchanon OAK 3 53 7
N. Clements BUF 3 61 9
J. David IND 3 33 7
S. Davis SD 1 37 10
A. Dyson TEN 5 33 12
A. Glenn HOU 4 51 8
N. Harper IND 3 63 7
A. Henry CLE 4 57 11
K. Herndon DEN 1 56 15
T. James CIN 7 47 10
Q. Jammer SD 0 38 7
T. Law NE 1 28 3
S. Madison MIA 0 33 5
R. Mathis JAC 2 46 13
C. McAlister BAL 1 35 7
D. McCleon KC 0 26 4
D. McCutcheon CLE 2 50 9
D. O'Neal CIN 3 35 12
T. Poole NE 1 12 3
D. Robinson HOU 5 65 17
S. Rolle TEN 1 28 7
C. Scott PIT 1 24 6
P. Surtain MIA 3 45 9
D. Townsend PIT 4 48 11
T. Vincent BUF 0 12 1
E. Warfield KC 4 42 9
D. Washington JAC 1 62 7
C. Woodson OAK 1 71 9
NFC[/B]
W. Allen NYG 1 59 14
A. Ambrose NO 3 25 9
J. Azumah CHI 4 30 6
R. Barber TB 2 67 9
D. Bly DET 4 28 11
S. Brown PHI 1 72 13
F. Bryant DET 0 51 9
J. Butler STL 4 61 14
A. Carroll GB 1 40 6
T. Fisher STL 1 16 2
L. Frazier DAL 1 15 4
C. Gamble CAR 3 57 9
A. Harris GB 1 51 16
B. Kelly TB 4 43 15
K. Lucas SEA 5 49 13
D. Macklin ARI 3 59 12
R. Manning CAR 2 46 4
K. Mathis ATL 2 56 7
T. Newman DAL 2 49 9
W. Peterson NYG 2 45 8
A. Plummer SF 0 22 7
L. Sheppard PHI 4 45 12
F. Smoot WAS 3 52 11
S. Spencer SF 0 45 4
S. Springs WAS 3 49 8
D. Starks ARI 2 38 8
F. Thomas NO 0 42 3
C. Tillman CHI 0 23 0
M. Trufant SEA 3 64 11
J. Webster ATL 1 39 10
B. Williams MIN 0 51 5
A. Winfield MIN 3 81 8

Now make a case that there is a corner in the the NFL that has earned his place in the probowl more than Dunta Robinson.

 

[HJam72]

T. James from Cincinatti with 7 interceptions. That's the only possibility I see for beating out Robinson.

 

[Beastlyman2003]

Yes but there are 3 cbs going. so shouldnt Dunta still get a spot?

 

[HJam72]

IMO, he should definitely be there.

 

[georgewashington]

just because he should go, does not mean that he will. This happens every year, and it will be especially hard for a rookie to make it in. People vote very biased for the probow, including for their home teams, for veterans with marque names, and for people that are showman. Dunta is having a great season, but i doubt he will be in hawaii

 

[Wolf]

GW is right.. Dante IS deserving and I hope he does go,but outside of Houston .. We don't get much press coverage so it will be tough.
But it would be great if he could go!

 

[texasguy346]

If I'm not mistaken the Pro Bowl voting is a mix of fans, coaches, and players voting. I'm not sure of what percentage each gets, but D. Rob could get into the Pro Bowl this year if he's impressed opposing coaches and players enough. I agree that he won't get many votes outside of Houston, but I'm sure all the coaches that decided to challenge Dunta instead of Glenn have a lasting memory of him picking off their QB. It is very tough for a rookie to make it to the Pro Bowl, but Bolden made it last year for the lowly Cardinals. We could potentially have three players make the Pro Bowl from the Texans: Sharper, AJ, and Robinson. Sharper and DRob have the toughest road to get in to the Pro Bowl though. You can pencil in Ray Lewis as the starting MLB already. Hopefully they all make it to Hawaii.

 

[georgewashington]

If I'm not mistaken the Pro Bowl voting is a mix of fans, coaches, and players voting. I'm not sure of what percentage each gets, but D. Rob could get into the Pro Bowl this year if he's impressed opposing coaches and players enough. I agree that he won't get many votes outside of Houston, but I'm sure all the coaches that decided to challenge Dunta instead of Glenn have a lasting memory of him picking off their QB. It is very tough for a rookie to make it to the Pro Bowl, but Bolden made it last year for the lowly Cardinals. We could potentially have three players make the Pro Bowl from the Texans: Sharper, AJ, and Robinson. Sharper and DRob have the toughest road to get in to the Pro Bowl though. You can pencil in Ray Lewis as the starting MLB already. Hopefully they all make it to Hawaii.

I believe each has an equal 1/3 of the vote. Bolden made it because he had ridiculous numbers and some amazing catches that were all over ESPN. Dunta wont have that advantage, his interceptions have not been the most spectacular plays so people wont notice as much. He may get some of the coaches and players noticing, but it is a tough road for him to Hawaii. I would say that in a year or two, he will be feared and recognized by all. I think aside from his INTs, what i think people will see is that he goes for hits like a safety. He can lay the wood.

 

[Lucky]

Dunta wont have that advantage, his interceptions have not been the most spectacular plays so people wont notice as much. He may get some of the coaches and players noticing, but it is a tough road for him to Hawaii. I would say that in a year or two, he will be feared and recognized by all.

I agree. When the Texans start winning, Dunta will be in the Pro Bowl. Until then, Bailey, Law, & McAlister are your AFC Pro Bowl corners.

 

[Youngstown Colt]

champ, c. woodson, tory james, mccalister. they might not lead in those stats, but thats because they shut WRs down completely

 

[TexansTrueFan]

You must not have seen enough of D-Rob to know what US texans fans are talking about ! Yeah and i have seen Champ get completely blown out in games !

 

[Youngstown Colt]

im pretty sure indys recievers had their way with dunta as well. they had him pulling out the no respect card for how bad they burned him

 

[infantrycak]

champ, c. woodson, tory james, mccalister. they might not lead in those stats, but thats because they shut WRs down completely

Champ has been far from a shut down CB this year, in fact he has gotten lit up several times this year.

 

[El Tejano]

Actually, I believe Robinson has ProBowl numbers. However, because he plays in Houston and because he is part of a team that gives up many TD passes and because he is a rookie, he will not make it.

Robinson could be viewed as one of those rookies that even though he exceeded his rookie season, he also must show that he can do it next year also before they give him a ProBowl nod.

 

[Vinny]

The Pro Bowl may be out of reach but he has a real shot at defensive rookie of the year. A good game against Peyton could really help him out.

 

[TexansTrueFan]

im pretty sure indys recievers had their way with dunta as well. they had him pulling out the no respect card for how bad they burned him

haha actually i dont think you watched the last game when we faced indy, because D-Rob didnt pull out no card, oh your thinking of chad johnnson , LOL ok well he wasnt burned in that game by the way, infact we kept indy from having many BIG plays, but yall had a lot of plays so try to know what your talking about before you say it !

 

[Doug]

It's kind of hard to think that D Rob will make it to the pro bowl in his rookie season when the league leader in tackles last year, Jamie Sharper didn't even make it. Not to mention he's putting up big numbers again. Nothing would make me happier than to see D Rob and Jamie make it to Hawaii this year. Yet I don't see it happening due to the team that they play for.

 

[Youngstown Colt]

haha actually i dont think you watched the last game when we faced indy, because D-Rob didnt pull out no card, oh your thinking of chad johnnson , LOL ok well he wasnt burned in that game by the way, infact we kept indy from having many BIG plays, but yall had a lot of plays so try to know what your talking about before you say it !

well, he did pull out the "disrespect" card, you cant argue that.

 

[TexansTrueFan]

well he may have, but if a guy feels he our his team is beign disrespected than he's gonna say something. D-Rob plays with a lot of intensity and if he dont make the Pro Bowl its not because lack of talent, its cause our record ! He sure can put a hit on people though !

 

[STEEL BLUE TEXANS]

The Pro Bowl is a popularity contest. Our defense stinks so that can't help Dunta's case. Plus, how often do you see #2 CBs in the pro bowl?

 

[Reddevil63]

well, he did pull out the "disrespect" card, you cant argue that.

And you cant argue that this isnt college ball and teams shouldnt still be throwing bombs in a blowout. Things like that have a tendancy to come back and bite them in the ...

 

[Vinny]

The Pro Bowl is a popularity contest. Our defense stinks so that can't help Dunta's case. Plus, how often do you see #2 CBs in the pro bowl?

I'm not so sure he is our #2 CB at times. He out plays Glenn often.

 

[infantrycak]

well, he did pull out the "disrespect" card, you cant argue that.

Yes he did, on a completely unrelated subject--that he perceived Manning as trying to run up the score by the hurry up play and going for long throws.

 

[georgewashington]

I'm not so sure he is our #2 CB at times. He out plays Glenn often.

Exactly, there really isnt a #1 or #2 CB on this team. Glenn may theoretically get the nod because of his experience and being labeled as the top CB before the season and in the past, but I think People will be just as afraid of Dunta. Aside from being at the top in tackles on the team, he has more INTs than glenn now i believe, and he sure can hit harder than glenn. He is a number 1 CB. Unfortunately being a rookie on the loosing team wont help him get votes, from either the fans or the coaches and players.

 

[El Tejano]

He has his whole career to be a Pro Bowl CB.

 

[Nawzer]

He's a rookie and that's why he'll get shafted.

 

[TEXANS84]

Jamie Sharper led the leauge in tackles last year and he got shafted. Untill we start winning games and get on national tv...then there is little hope. Now Andre is praised nationwide...if he doesn't get it.....

 

[infantrycak]

The AFC will send 4 WR's to the pro-bowl. Right now the top 4 on yardage are:

Chad Johnson 1071 yds, 6 TD's
Andre Johnson 1018 yds, 5 TD's
Jimmy Smith 961 yds, 3 TD's
Derrick Mason 912 yds, 5 TD's

Some folks that might be able to drop 1-2 of those guys off the list because of TD's (they are 5-7 in yards)--big shock here all Colts:

Brandon Stokley 882 yds 9 TD's
Reggie Wayne 875 yds 10 TD's
Marvin Harrison 870 yds 12 TD's

Mason, Harrison and C. Johnson made it last year, along with Hines Ward, currently 13th in yardage with 800 yds and 4 TD's.

 

[Dime]

well, he did pull out the "disrespect" card, you cant argue that.

Probably wont happen, but lets make a deal. If Robinson intercepts Manning, you have to go and vote for D-Rob for the Pro-bowl. If he doesnt... I will vote Manning for the Pro-Bowl (grin)

 

[ledzeppelin229]

I don't know if Dunta is really our #2 CB anymore.

 

[Dunta_Fan_23]

I hope Robinson goes to the pro bowl that would rock!!!!

 

[HJam72]

I was just submitting my pro bowl ballot on NFL.com, and i got to the cornerback category. i just want yall to look at each stat and tell me that D-Rob should not be in the probowl.

Choose up to 3
AFC Cornerback Choose up to 3
NFC Cornerback

Player Team INT TAK PassesDefensed
AFC
D. Abraham NYJ 1 40 8
C. Bailey DEN 3 66 8
D. Barrett NYJ 2 60 10
G. Baxter BAL 0 65 10
P. Buchanon OAK 3 53 7
N. Clements BUF 3 61 9
J. David IND 3 33 7
S. Davis SD 1 37 10
A. Dyson TEN 5 33 12
A. Glenn HOU 4 51 8
N. Harper IND 3 63 7
A. Henry CLE 4 57 11
K. Herndon DEN 1 56 15
T. James CIN 7 47 10
Q. Jammer SD 0 38 7
T. Law NE 1 28 3
S. Madison MIA 0 33 5
R. Mathis JAC 2 46 13
C. McAlister BAL 1 35 7
D. McCleon KC 0 26 4
D. McCutcheon CLE 2 50 9
D. O'Neal CIN 3 35 12
T. Poole NE 1 12 3
D. Robinson HOU 5 65 17
S. Rolle TEN 1 28 7
C. Scott PIT 1 24 6
P. Surtain MIA 3 45 9
D. Townsend PIT 4 48 11
T. Vincent BUF 0 12 1
E. Warfield KC 4 42 9
D. Washington JAC 1 62 7
C. Woodson OAK 1 71 9
NFC[/B]
W. Allen NYG 1 59 14
A. Ambrose NO 3 25 9
J. Azumah CHI 4 30 6
R. Barber TB 2 67 9
D. Bly DET 4 28 11
S. Brown PHI 1 72 13
F. Bryant DET 0 51 9
J. Butler STL 4 61 14
A. Carroll GB 1 40 6
T. Fisher STL 1 16 2
L. Frazier DAL 1 15 4
C. Gamble CAR 3 57 9
A. Harris GB 1 51 16
B. Kelly TB 4 43 15
K. Lucas SEA 5 49 13
D. Macklin ARI 3 59 12
R. Manning CAR 2 46 4
K. Mathis ATL 2 56 7
T. Newman DAL 2 49 9
W. Peterson NYG 2 45 8
A. Plummer SF 0 22 7
L. Sheppard PHI 4 45 12
F. Smoot WAS 3 52 11
S. Spencer SF 0 45 4
S. Springs WAS 3 49 8
D. Starks ARI 2 38 8
F. Thomas NO 0 42 3
C. Tillman CHI 0 23 0
M. Trufant SEA 3 64 11
J. Webster ATL 1 39 10
B. Williams MIN 0 51 5
A. Winfield MIN 3 81 8

Now make a case that there is a corner in the the NFL that has earned his place in the probowl more than Dunta Robinson.

You forgot to add SACKS and FORCED FUMBLES!!! Way to go Dunta!

 

[SESupergenius]

I'm not so sure he is our #2 CB at times. He out plays Glenn often.

yea well until DROB goes up against top tiered receivers weekend and weekout, Glenn is still hands down the better player.

 

[aj.]

I wish I could find that post that I read this morning about Dunta not being a playmaker. He is one of the best rookie corners I've seen in a while. He keeps getting better with each game. There's really not that much difference in the quality of play between Glenn and Robinson right now, in fact Robinson is making plays that Aaron isn't. There's a lot that goes on in the secondary that you can't see on TV. Aaron had a good game today too and maybe the rook will actually help Aaron raise his game a bit.

 

[AndreJ]

I wish I could find that post that I read this morning about Dunta not being a playmaker. He is one of the best rookie corners I've seen in a while. He keeps getting better with each game. There's really not that much difference in the quality of play between Glenn and Robinson right now, in fact Robinson is making plays that Aaron isn't. There's a lot that goes on in the secondary that you can't see on TV. Aaron had a good game today too and maybe the rook will actually help Aaron raise his game a bit.

I just posted about that you should see it come up now.

 

[beerlover]

I refrenced this morning in the "Why we need Derrick" thread that Dunta is a playmaker and the equal of the defensive draft darling Sean Taylor the 5th overall pick.

After watching him in only 14 games he gives me the impression of a young Deion Sandars, his body language, leadership the way he carries the ball with both hands, swinging side to side and even though he hasn't returned a INT for a TD everytime he handles it you think he can take it to the house. Sure he still makes rookie mistakes but they are now few and far between, plus he does something that Neon Deion never did, tackle

 

[AndreJ]

I'm too young to actually remeber Deion in his prime. I've only been watching football for a few years now, but im pretty sure thats a huge compliment. Even at Deion's age now he still has his cover skills.

I was hoping so bad that DROB would return that Int, for a TD today he was so close but stepped out of bounds. And yes you are right the boy can hit. He has 76 tackles on the year so far.

 

[jacquescas]

he is definately on track for defensive rookie of the year.

 

[HJam72]

I don't know if anyone will ever shut down a receiver like Deion did, but Deion couldn't hit like Dunta in his dreams.

 

[TEXANS84]

LOL...Dunta just said on abc that his teammates call him Roy.

 

[Fiddy]

LOL...Dunta just said on abc that his teammates call him Roy.

I heard. He is the only player in the league with 6 INTs and 3 sacks.

 

[cuppacoffee]

I guess I am just a homer but I cant think of one player drafted ahead of him that I would rather have on this team.

cac

 

[texansfan88]

I guess I am just a homer but I cant think of one player drafted ahead of him that I would rather have on this team.

cac

I can, Roy Williams

Ranking the first round picks
1) Roy Williams, Lions
2) Dunta Robinson, Houston
3) Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh (gets help from defense a lot)
4) Jonathon Vilma, NY Jets
5) Tommie Harris, Chicago
6) Vince Wilfork, Patriots
7) Sean Taylor, Redskins
8) Robert Gallery, Oakland
9) Larry Fitzgerald, Arizona
10) D.J. Williams, Denver
11) Kenechi Udeze, Vikings
12) Steven Jackson, Rams
13) Deangelo Hall, Falcons
14) Lee Evans, Buffalo
15) Eli Manning, Giants
16) Reggie Williams, Jacksonville
17) Jason Babin, Houston
18) Chris Gamble, Carolina
19) Kevin Jones, Detroit
20) Will Smith, New Orleans
21) Shawn Andrews, Philadelphia
22) Vernon Carey, Miami
23) Ahmad Carroll, Packers
24) Marcus Tubbs, Seattle
25) Rashaun Woods, 49ers
26)
27) Michael Jenkins, Falcons
28) Chris Perry, Bengals
29) Kellen Winslow, Browns (would have been higher if played)
30) Phillip Rivers, Chargers
31) Ben Watson, New England
32) J.P. Losman, Bills

NOTE: WHO AM I MISSING?

 

[Fiddy]

I'd take D-Rob ahead of Roy. Roy has had nagging injuries this year and since we already have a nice 3 headed monster at WR, I think a excellent corner would be more benifical. Plus, that moved allowed Coleman to move to FS so it helped two positions...

 

[wags]

You're only missing Michael Clayton. He has over 1,000 yards receiving. It's only a couple hundred more than Roy Williams.

 

[AndreJ]

I can, Roy Williams

Roy Williams!!! You're out of your mind, sure he's good but i dont think you understand how good Duntae has made this defense.

If we didn't have D-ROB coleman would still be playing corner and out for the rest of the year which would really hurt!!!!!! And we would still have two garbage safties!!!! Well i partially take that back Glenn Earl has been doing nice and we all know what Jason Simmons can do (Knock the flying **** out of RB's). But drafting D-Rob got us two postions on the D not just 1.

Oh and not to mention his 76 tackles, 6 Int's, 3 sacks, 2 FF etc... you know the usual...

 

[wags]

Gamble should be higher in that ranking. He has six interceptions also. Not near as good as Dunta though.

 

[ComstockLode]

The problem with corners like offensive linemen, it is very hard to gauge stats. For instance:
1. How many times has a player got beat for a TD....
2. How many times has he had passing interference penalties...
3. How many yards do his receivers average per game against him.
4. Do offenses fear him and change their offense to keep him away from the ball, or are their too many opportunities to make plays?
5. Is he dominant in pass coverage, and QBs are afraid to throw their way?

CBs are judged more on this, then INTs or pass breakups.

For this year alone, If you had a choice of 3 CBs to be on your team... Would Dunta Robinson be on it?

 

[Grid]

if I had the choice of 3 CBs.. yah Dunta would be on it. He is different from other CBs in that he is a VERY capable CB that doubles as a strong saftey in his blitzing and tackling abilities.

He may be the only CB in the league that has the potential to get in your head like an SS or FS would.

This makes him not only talented.. but versatile. A useful tool.

And I havent seen him get REALLY beat since week 5.

 

[whotex8]

I voted for DR and think he is superb. One thing kind of bothered me though, or just kinda rubbed me the wrong way and I really just want to say this...hoping I'm wrong. In his interview tonight with Bob Allen on "Inside the Game", he told Bob Allen that he thought he definately deserved to be voted for the Pro-B. I think we all agree.
But, his demeanor seemed on the edge of being arrogant, and Bob Allen (whom I don't always agree with) at one point asked him to "in the future, don't refer to yourself in the 3rd person). I'm a huge fan of DR, but watching him in this interview....he reminded me of self-back-patting players on other teams.
Also, I read game caps on several sites and David C. was quoted saying that "several of the guys on the team said it was too cold and just wanted to go home, but they stuck it out FOR ME"!
Guys....whether it be David Carr, Dunta, etc. Get it right.
I have many years of experience in the corporate world and have always had a problem when a person in leadership refers to anything that refers to "my, mine or doing it for me".
Learn to use "ours, we, and us" instead of "me, I, mine, and myself". I think it is arrogant for people in leadership positions, or otherwise to not know the difference in how to speak, when speaking for or about a "TEAM".
Team...when speaking out...speak as a TEAM MEMBER, not an individual. It comes across wrong. THERE IS NO "I, OR ME" IN TEAM".
It is a Team, whether you win or lose! I seem to hear alot more of "we and us" when the team doesn't do well, but when the really do great.....well..It's all about ME.