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CUT Carr

we cant just cut him im sure someone would give us a 5th round pick for him i hope. :brickwall it just funny to me david and joey came in the league at thew same time why is joey the only one in the hot seat i think its time to look another direction :bomb:
 
Carr was in the top half of quarterbacks in the entire league last season. Yeah, that was just routine for Ryan Leaf and Heath Shuler.
 
Fldvldog said:
If I were the Texans, I would look for a new QB. 0 TD's, 3 Picks. Ouch...
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So tell me, how do you think Byron Leftwich would play if he had an average of about 1.5 seconds every time he went back in the pocket?
 
DomDavis said:
So tell me, how do you think Byron Leftwich would play if he had an average of about 1.5 seconds every time he went back in the pocket?
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I don't know. But Leftwich had 2 TD's , 0 INT's today in a win...
 
"Bust" is probably not accurate but I'd certainly consider benching him for a few games and see what happens. This is not a playoff season so experimenting is ok.
 
Its the beef up front. I think if Carr had more time, he could show what he can do. When you are constantly running from defenders, it is hard to be a QB. This was a bad game all the way around. The honeymoon is over guys!! I want results. I love the Texans, but this is just plain bad.
 
david lovers will always blame the O-line but remember david is a nobody who had a great season in the WAC conference thats why we got him he'll never be a good QB at best hell be a good clipboard holder.
 
Hello Texan fans. Hopefully you all remember me as a Jaguar fan who is not and never was here to bash.

Anyway, the point of todays game was this: It all begins up front. I know, for a fact that the Texans possess an extremely potent arsenal of wide recievers and their defense can play up to par. But with the offensive line and Carr, there are immense problems.
 
Did the O line stay in Houston. They were in Carr's face every play, all day.

There is not a QB living or dead that could have done any better. Hell Carr didn't have time to blink much less look for a reciever!!!!!!!!

bobby 119C :brickwall
 
We have 1 WR and a decent running back and that is it.

It sucks that the team cannot protect their franchise, a guy who you can see has the tangibles to have success in this league.
 
Fldvldog said:
I don't know. But Leftwich had 2 TD's , 0 INT's today in a win...
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Do you have our offensive line? Did you play on the road? Did you play the second best defense in the league? The answer to all of those is no, so it's totally irrelevant.

Next.
 
DomDavis said:
Do you have our offensive line? Did you play on the road? Did you play the second best defense in the league? The answer to all of those is no, so it's totally irrelevant.

Next.
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Don't take it personally. Believe me, as Jaguar fans we know this will not happen every week. And yes, we were blessed with a capable Offensive Line.

The Line is where your problems lie...how to solve that problem is the mystery...
 
Carr refuses to step into the pocket. He drops and if his first choice reciever is not open he looks to jump outside to either drop off to DD or run. It's blantly obvious now that after the beating he has taken the first few years that it may be a trait he will not be able to change. The pocket was there many times today, and if he would have just steped into it valuable time would have been gained for a 2nd or 3rd choice reciever.
 
Scott747 said:
Three step drop is not the answer. Step in the pocket Dave and trust the routes your receivers run.
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Its hard to trust from your back. 4 sacks and 8 pressures is inexcusable. :brickwall
 
Goldeagle said:
Not Carrs fault we cant block or catch or turn our heads (eh #86)
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So true but it also is his fault him making terrible decisions, over-throws, under-throws, and no command whatsoever. :)
 
touttail said:
Did the O line stay in Houston. They were in Carr's face every play, all day.

There is not a QB living or dead that could have done any better. Hell Carr didn't have time to blink much less look for a reciever!!!!!!!!

bobby 119C :brickwall
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At one point I thought......man I feel sorry for the guy.

The O-line picked up right where they left off last year, and so did Palmer with his play calling.

Can you fire an entire O-line?
 
touttail said:
Did the O line stay in Houston. They were in Carr's face every play, all day.

There is not a QB living or dead that could have done any better. Hell Carr didn't have time to blink much less look for a reciever!!!!!!!!

bobby 119C :brickwall
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You're joking right?
 
LBC_Justin said:
At one point I thought......man I feel sorry for the guy.

The O-line picked up right where they left off last year, and so did Palmer with his play calling.

Can you fire an entire O-line?
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No, but does the problem lie with the Offensive Line or the coaches?

By the way Texans, putting all rivalries aside, please pray and hope for the best for Coach Paul Boudreau, our Offensive Line Coach, who went down in the locker room. EMT's were sent in. We have no more news as of right now. Thank you.
 
Ragone or Banks should start IMHO. Sorry Texans, but I don't see how Carr is going to excell in this league. Yes, part of the blame is on that horrendous O-Line, but he made some BAD decisions today (ie: throwing into double coverage).
 
TexanLen said:
Its the beef up front. I think if Carr had more time, he could show what he can do. When you are constantly running from defenders, it is hard to be a QB. This was a bad game all the way around. The honeymoon is over guys!! I want results. I love the Texans, but this is just plain bad.
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I love the Texans also....I am truly starting to believe it starts with the coaching staff.We need to have a coach with some type of fire.Dom has already been caught with his mouth open on the sidelines....what a stupid look that is.I am sure most of you know that look.The team looked like the first year they stepped on the field.....and there is Dom....with his mouth hanging open...Are the Bills that good?....or are we THAT BAD???? :confused:Sorry Dom lovers....but the team had seven months to prepare for this game,and they looked lost,confused & pathetic :brickwall texan fan until I die texanpride
 
Offensive line has set him up for failure. Not to mention the play calling. I could see it now, if Carr was w/ another team w/ an O'line that will give him the time and coverage needed to make plays. He goes on to be a better QB than here.

I say there needs to be a change of coaches.
 
Well, Joey Harrington already has a TD pass this year. Carr stunk it up today, but until he gets a better line and better receivers, we will never know if he can play QB in this league. Our line consists of a bunch on nobodies, and the receiver core has one player, a speedster with stone hands (which no other team wanted when he was a FA this year, so we take him back), and a Gaffeny turn around and look for the ball.
 
ya know that is what makes me really freakin angry.

Carr had (yes HAD) a slew of talent. he had a great attitude.. he had all the intangibles. hes a great guy with a great family.. and we have basicly killed his career.
 
Fldvldog said:
Ragone or Banks should start IMHO. Sorry Texans, but I don't see how Carr is going to excell in this league. Yes, part of the blame is on that horrendous O-Line, but he made some BAD decisions today (ie: throwing into double coverage).
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You guys are hilarious.

If he doesn't throw into double coverage, it's all about "Carr doesn't take any chances, he always dumps it off to DD". You guys whine all the time about not giving Andre a chance down the field. He did, it didn't work out, and now it was a BAD decision? If you don't want bad decisions, don't whine when he dumps the ball off.

Ragone and Banks are statues in the pocket compared to Carr. If you start them, you're looking at 8 sacks a game, minimum.
 
ok what about his fumble and stand there and look at it roll around on the ground at his feet?? the only texan to try for it was McKinney

numerous times throw into double coverage and triple coverage lets not blame the oline completely carr had plenty to do with that bad play also, he needs to get his head out of the clouds and get to work .............

Dont forget to blame the rb's for not picking up the blitz .....
 
I can't blame Carr I would throw the ball away to if it would get me off the field.It's going to be a long season ,we might win 5 maybe 6 games.I sure hope I'm wrong.
 
TexanAggie said:
ok what about his fumble and stand there and look at it roll around on the ground at his feet?? the only texan to try for it was McKinney

numerous times throw into double coverage and triple coverage lets not blame the oline completely carr had plenty to do with that bad play also, he needs to get his head out of the clouds and get to work .............

Dont forget to blame the rb's for not picking up the blitz .....
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Playmakers like Andre Johnson have to make plays in double coverage sometimes because they aren't getting single coverage very often. If Carr doesn't take some chances, Andre won't ever get the ball. If he doesn't take some chances, you'll whine about him being too conservative.
 
Grid said:
ya know that is what makes me really freakin angry.

Carr had (yes HAD) a slew of talent. he had a great attitude.. he had all the intangibles. hes a great guy with a great family.. and we have basicly killed his career.
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You act like Carr is some chunk of metal, a product sitting on an assembly line with no independent will or power of it's own. In case you didn't notice, Carr was pathetic on his own. He didn't need any help being bad. He was plenty bad on his own. If you can't see that, I submit you really don't know much about football.
 
Porky said:
You act like Carr is some chunk of metal, a product sitting on an assembly line with no independent will or power of it's own. In case you didn't notice, Carr was pathetic on his own. He didn't need any help being bad. He was plenty bad on his own. If you can't see that, I submit you really don't know much about football.
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If you can't see that no QB in NFL history could succeed with this offensive line, I submit that you don't know much about football.
 
My views on the game.

- At times, Carr did had plenty of time to throw the ball. I never saw him check other receivers, he tends to lock on way too often.
-However, the O-line could have done better. The pocket collapsed pretty quickly.
-Buchanon was definitely the dog on defense in this game. He was toasted on several occasions.
-We only pressured Losman by blitzing.
- Robinson was very impressive. He was barely ever thrown to.
- The defense in the middle is tougher than I expected, the Bills got most of their rushing yards on the outside.
-I think our defense in general is going to be just fine.
-The entire offense needs to regroup... It's only Week One, I think we'll be alright.
 
Texas_Heat said:
This guy is the biggest bust in league history. :bag: :texflag:
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I have always liked David Carr but he looks shell-shocked to me! I think the poor guy has been sacked so many times that he seems to expect it on every pass play.
 
Colts fan here...

I started posting here last year, and I'm not here to troll...but IMHO, what this team needs is a good old QB controversy. I say put Carr on the bench...play Ragone, who is fresh off of a NFL Europe championship, (and MVP if I'm not mistaken). This guy is a proven winner, and knows how to get it done. Not to mention that it would light a fire under Carr's behind. What Carr really needs is to get his hair cut short, and tell his wife to just deal with it...he's got to play football, not be cute.

Good luck to the Texans, though...(with the exception of the 2 games against the Colts!!!) Most of you here are some good fans, and you deserve a playoff berth this season. I'll be posting here from time to time, I get tired of talking with homers on the Colts board, and since I live in Houston, I might run into some of you at the game on 10/23. I'm in section 115.
 
Vinny said:
That wasn't why the other thread was locked. Give it up.
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It was a joke .... and it struck the intended chord .



By the way , what happened to my thread in the help zone about censorship ? ... that thread wasnt just locked but completely deleted ... which i dont appreciate
 
all you :homer: who think Carr is blameless for this loss need to actually watch the game, with your eye's open. Carr had a very nice pocket to throw his second INT into triple coverage from. On his first INT he was outside scrambling, but made a ROOKIE mistake of a) not looking downfield when the receiver WAS actually open and b) throwing across his body while running which almost always results in an INT.

The fumble, I'll give that one to the O-line not stopping the rush. The 3rd INT I will even be generous enough to think Carr was trying to score and forcing a bad pass to do so.

Carr is NOT a rookie. Stop treating him like he still is, even though he plays like one most of the time.
 
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