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Coordinators

i know there has been alot of talk about the Oline coach from denver coming to be OC with kubes, but i found this:

http://www.kffl.com/
Texans | Pariani could head to Houston
Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:13:58 -0800

Tim Gorman, of the Daily Orange, reports Syracuse University offensive coordinator Brian Pariani could be headed to the Houston Texans. Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak, a friend of Pariani's, will reportedly accept the head coaching position in Houston after the Broncos' season ends and he may want to bring Pariani to Houston.
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heres his profile from syracuse: Brian Pariani

seems hes had more than plenty of experience with kubes as a TE coach. even kubes spoke high of him (from the article)

“Brian has been an integral part of what we have done on offense for 10 years,” said Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak. “He one of the hardest working coaches I have ever worked with. He understands the game and how to teach it. It will be hard for us to lose him. He is a better person than he is a coach. One of his biggest strengths is dealing with people and teaching. I always thought he had the capability to be a coordinator in the NFL. This was an opportunity he really wanted.”
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one of my favorite Right Tackles available in this years draft came out of Syracuse- Quinn OJinnaka. He started as a TE then added some mass & moved inside to Tackle @ 6050 and 295 he reminded me alot of a poor mans D'Brick. When I do my Texans Mock Draft I'll have to seriously consider slotting him as one of our 3rd dr. picks :cool:
 
Quinn OJinnaka is a good tackle. And the cat has been able to hold his weight a little better than Ferguson. I would even venture that once he gets on a better diet that he would jump to 310. One thing I noticed in watchin the kid is that he is very strong. I dont overly like him over interior guys like Mangold, Eslinger, Setterstrom, Joseph, but if he is around in the 4th or 5th he is hard to pass up.
 
IMO if we bring in pariani as our OC and kubes still decides to bring dennison over, the latter fellow would have more time to focus on the offensive line - which is a good thing.
 
Hoke is one of the reasons we have "phyllis." I just hope Kubiak is tough enough to tell him NO when the time comes. Capers and Cass bowed to Hoke and Fangio's demands to do whatever it took to get Pbuck. You all know the results of that trade. It's all in the hands of the new HC.
 
John Clayton was just on Mike and Mike and was talking about how the Raiders will now probably wait and hire, at least interview, the Steelers O coordinator Ken Whisenhunt. That would make 8 of the 10 openings filled by rookie head coaches with Herm and Jauron as the two guys who have done it before. His thinking was that too many teams didn't think through the process and by going after the next "hot" guy they forgot the fact that they need coordinators to fit their schemes. 6 of the 8 are offensive guys. So where are they going to find quality guys to teach while they are HC?Jauron had that problem in Chicago. Anyone else think this may cause problems with Kubiak?I don't think so but it was an interesting point.
 
Media folks have to come up with something to talk about. If all the new HC's were re-treads, Clayton would be talking about how short sighted teams are in not giving talented younger guys a chance. As for coordinators, they are going to come from former HC's--Martz possibly, Sherman, Capers, etc. and from folks one step down the ladder from the departing coordinators who are becoming HC's. Just a media created issue.
 
Houston Chronicle said:
Topping his list is hiring a staff. Kubiak will keep two members of Dom Capers' team: Jon Hoke (the defensive backs coach) and Joe Marciano (special teams).
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I know many of us wanted Marciano back. Good stuff.
 
edo783 said:
I'd meet ya at Starbucks, but it's a bit of a drive for me.:ok:
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Maybe I saw you at the Post Oak one. lol

Agree Infantry. They even mentioned that all the new ones are white and talked about that drama. I never have liked retreads and don't get Jauron at all.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Agree Infantry. They even mentioned that all the new ones are white and talked about that drama.
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That is another good pot stirring media thing which is going on right now. Conspicuously absent from most of these allegations/discussions is a list of non-white coaches who are as deserving or more so than the white coaches. Absent an election against a more talented coach or between at least equally talented coaches a discussion of the end results is useless.
 
Todays chronicle reports that Kubiak will keep Jon Hoke(DB coach) and Joe Marciano(Special Teams).David Diaz-Infante has agreed to come as an OL coach and will try to getAlex Gibbs from Atlanta to come in and Oversee Infante.Troy Calhoun Denvers assistant to the head coach is coming to coach QB's and possibly be the OC.Parani being brought in to coach TE's,and Kyle Shannahan is coming to coach the WR's.Also trying to get Frank Bush LB's coach from Arizona.:redtowel:
 
whiskeyrbl said:
Todays chronicle reports that Kubiak will keep Jon Hoke(DB coach) and Joe Marciano(Special Teams).David Diaz-Infante has agreed to come as an OL coach and will try to getAlex Gibbs from Atlanta to come in and Oversee Infante.Troy Calhoun Denvers assistant to the head coach is coming to coach QB's and possibly be the OC.Parani being brought in to coach TE's,and Kyle Shannahan is coming to coach the WR's.Also trying to get Frank Bush LB's coach from Arizona.:redtowel:
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Those are all good things IMO, but the big item yet is the DC. Can't waite for that to become clear.
 
infantrycak said:
That is another good pot stirring media thing which is going on right now. Conspicuously absent from most of these allegations/discussions is a list of non-white coaches who are as deserving or more so than the white coaches. Absent an election against a more talented coach or between at least equally talented coaches a discussion of the end results is useless.
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I did here them mention some names on Cold Pizza when they were discussing this. Tim Lewis, Jerry Gray, and Ron Rivera. Of those 3 I think Gray got the shaft for not even being considered by Buffalo. I hope he ends up here.
 
corrosion said:
From the Houston Chronicle 1-24-06

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3607562.html



These were probably the only guy's who deserved to stay ...
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Bates and Dennison are not coming.

They are trying to lure Alex Gibbs from Atlanta, which would be outstanding. I would be thrilled with that.

Mods - it might be nice to have a sticky on an assistants thread? Who's coming, who might come, and who isn't coming, etc. Just a thought.
 
bckey said:
I did here them mention some names on Cold Pizza when they were discussing this. Tim Lewis, Jerry Gray, and Ron Rivera. Of those 3 I think Gray got the shaft for not even being considered by Buffalo. I hope he ends up here.
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Jerry Gray is staying with Buffalo. Ron Rivera can pack his bags and come to H-Town...I'm all for that. :)
 
There's a certain coach who ran a successful 3-4 that is available these days. He has ties to Sherman, and has coached with Kubiak. He also happened to coach Kubes at one point as well.

Anyone think his name comes up?
 
SixTexans said:
There's a certain coach who ran a successful 3-4 that is available these days. He has ties to Sherman, and has coached with Kubiak. He also happened to coach Kubes at one point as well.

Anyone think his name comes up?
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Talking about Slocum? No, otherwise he would already have a job in the NFL.
 
SBTexans08 said:
Jerry Gray is staying with Buffalo.
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I haven't seen anything official either way, but the fans on the Bills MB are currently debating who should be the new DC. Do you have a link confirming he is staying in Buffalo?
 
I could see RC getting a call. His "Wrecking Crew" 3/4 Defense was pretty amazing. Bottom line, you get the right talent and they will just about make any scheme look good. Also, I really liked his array of blitzes.
 
SBTexans08 said:
Jerry Gray is staying with Buffalo. Ron Rivera can pack his bags and come to H-Town...I'm all for that. :)
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There are no reports that Gray is staying with Buffalo, especially since Levy is shopping for defensive coordinators.
 
TEXANFAN23435 said:
I could see RC getting a call. His "Wrecking Crew" 3/4 Defense was pretty amazing. Bottom line, you get the right talent and they will just about make any scheme look good. Also, I really liked his array of blitzes.
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I am an Aggie and I would love to see RC get a DC position, but I also wonder why he hasn't worked since A&M.
 
He's had calls, just not ones he felt fit. This, may fit nicely. Stay in state, work with people you like, do a good job for a few years, then take a good college job, or retire.
 
Geeezzz, the UT crowd is allready complaining that Kubes is an Aggie, bring in Slocum and then the UT crowd would go more bezerk than they allready are.
 
edo783 said:
Geeezzz, the UT crowd is allready complaining that Kubes is an Aggie, bring in Slocum and then the UT crowd would go more bezerk than they allready are.
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I heard Royal was looking for a job :heh:
 
My old coach would be a great thought, but it is just that. Coach is a little past his prime as far as things go in coaching and is definately a college coach. His 3-4 defense was awesome to play in. Other than that I could see him as a defensive consultant that would help Kubes understand the defensive side of the ball more, but past that I think RC will just enjoy watching Kubes coach.
 
edo783 said:
Geeezzz, the UT crowd is allready complaining that Kubes is an Aggie, bring in Slocum and then the UT crowd would go more bezerk than they allready are.
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C'mon now....don't lump everyone into that group. That is only a small minority of people that may feel that way...not fair to group us all together.

I am UT to the bone, but that doesn't matter in the NFL. Do I follow ex-LH in the NFL and hope they do well? Yes. Do I think we should draft VY? Yes. But I like VY b/c I think he is a great player and would help the team. NOT just b/c he is from UT. I hate OU, but I'd take Tommie Harris on our DL or Jammal Brown on our OL in a heartbeat. I couldn't be happier to get Kubes (although I don't think I'd be too excited to get Slocum b/c I think there are better candidates available.)

Just wanted to let you know that not every LH fan that supports the Texans feels that way. Not everything that is non-UT is bad.:)
 
My vote is for Jerry Gray.

He was a star at UT it will bring balance to the Aggie and longhorn force... OC I dont care Kubiak will be doin most of the offensive work like shanahan on the broncos..
 
Who is this RC? Is it possible he might come here. To be honest I just want the 3-4 to stay and any dc that could make that happen would make me happy.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
Who is this RC? Is it possible he might come here. To be honest I just want the 3-4 to stay and any dc that could make that happen would make me happy.
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R C Slocum (taken from wikipedia)...

R.C. Slocum was the head football coach at Texas A&M University from 1989 until 2003. During his 14 years as head coach R.C. led the Aggies to a record of 123-47-2, making him the winningest coach in Texas A&M history. Also during his career R.C. never had a losing season, won four conference championships, including the Big 12 title in 1998, and led Texas A&M to become the first school in Southwest Conference history to post three consecutive perfect conference seasons.

He was also named SWC Coach of the Year three times during that timeframe. His "Wrecking Crew" defense led the SWC in all four statistical categories from 1991 through 1993 and led the nation in total defense in 1991.

During R.C.'s career at A&M he had over 50 players drafted by the NFL.

In 1981, became the defensive coordinator at the University of Southern California before returning to A&M the following year.

Like someone already said, bringing him in as a 3-4 consultant would be fantastic, but I wouldn't want him to be the DC.
 
Apoch said:
R C Slocum (taken from wikipedia)...

R.C. Slocum was the head football coach at Texas A&M University from 1989 until 2003. During his 14 years as head coach R.C. led the Aggies to a record of 123-47-2, making him the winningest coach in Texas A&M history. Also during his career R.C. never had a losing season, won four conference championships, including the Big 12 title in 1998, and led Texas A&M to become the first school in Southwest Conference history to post three consecutive perfect conference seasons.

He was also named SWC Coach of the Year three times during that timeframe. His "Wrecking Crew" defense led the SWC in all four statistical categories from 1991 through 1993 and led the nation in total defense in 1991.

During R.C.'s career at A&M he had over 50 players drafted by the NFL.

In 1981, became the defensive coordinator at the University of Southern California before returning to A&M the following year.

Like someone already said, bringing him in as a 3-4 consultant would be fantastic, but I wouldn't want him to be the DC.
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What about Mike Tice has the OL coach, Gray DC, and Palmer OC?
 
outofhnd said:
Why do you want the 3-4 to stay? I kinda prefer the ol 4-3 scheme more than the 3-4
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I could live with the 4-3 so don't get me wrong. I think that 3-4 is a system that is more effective in that it is seen less and provides more blitzing options. Steelers, and a handful of other teams use it and it looks very efficient. Also its been mentioned before but the personnel is more inclined to the 3-4. If anything I would want a mix of both, but if I had too choose I would like to stay with the 3-4

Do you think RC it's possible he might come in as a consultant or is it just like wishful thinking.
 
LCOOL said:
What about Mike Tice has the OL coach, Gray DC, and Palmer OC?
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Mike Tice knows jack about the Denver-designed zone-blocking system. If Rick Dennison is out of the picture (which I thought from the beginning he would) then David Diaz-Infante would make a great OL coach. He was the 6th man on the Denver Superbowl teams, and could play every OL position. If anyone knows how the system works it is him.

So far the best looking offensive posibilities are:

OC: Brian Pariani
QB: Troy Calhoun
RB: ??? (look on University of Minnesota staff perhaps?)
WR: Kyle Shanahan
OL: David Diaz-Infante (would be solid with his experience)
OL advisor: Alex Gibbs (the jackpot if you want the running game to work)

Defense is up in the air. We don't know yet if Kubiak will want to stay with a 3-4 scheme or switch. That will take serious evaluation, but Gray has to be the best choice as of right now. He is a solid DC who knows both defensive systems, and has coached great talent.
 
I dont think it was more effective the majority of the top defenses ran the 4-3 or Cover 2 defense, Tampa, Chicago, Indy, KC, Denver, Seattle, Carolina, Giants, Cincy

3-4 teams Pittsburgh, New England, Cleveland, San Diego, San Fran, Miami, Raiders, Dallas,

Id have to go with the 4-3 unless you have 4 huge safeties that can tackle at linebacker and 3 monsters on the D line, because our front three cannot occupy the Oline like pittsburgh's 3...
 
edo783 said:
Geeezzz, the UT crowd is allready complaining that Kubes is an Aggie, bring in Slocum and then the UT crowd would go more bezerk than they allready are.
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Well, i'm a big longhorn fan and have been wanting Kubiak to be the hire from the start. I want the best for this team. So don't just carelessly assume all ut fans are against everything non ut. Oh, i also have been to nearly every texan home game and cheer for a team that features players from a large variety of colleges. Would like to see some ut players on the roster if they are the best available to meet our needs. If not, so be it. UT has some great players in the pros and a pipeline of potential pros. Tech also has a hard hitting safety i would not mind seeing on the field.
 
outofhnd said:
I dont think it was more effective the majority of the top defenses ran the 4-3 or Cover 2 defense, Tampa, Chicago, Indy, KC, Denver, Seattle, Carolina, Giants, Cincy

3-4 teams Pittsburgh, New England, Cleveland, San Diego, San Fran, Miami, Raiders, Dallas,

Id have to go with the 4-3 unless you have 4 huge safeties that can tackle at linebacker and 3 monsters on the D line, because our front three cannot occupy the Oline like pittsburgh's 3...
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Of course the majority of the top defenses would be 4-3 many more teams work from that format so the likelyhood of them coming out on top is to be expected.

San Diego and some of the other teams you mentioned run a combination, so you can't really say they're geared towards one or the other philosophy, Miami I will wait till next yr. to see what capers does with that team, but I'm sure they will definetely improve.

What I think as far as our team goes is if they do change to 4-3 then next year should be a transitional period where we run both defenses to evaluate the talent and take pressure off ourselves too try to fix everything in one offseason. So we can pick up one or 2 additions and prepare over the course of the season to see what should be done. If we stay in the 3-4 we can focus on improving if not we go thru a transitional period. I dunno I just want the team to improve so I guess we gotta wait till the DC is appointed, but that's just my opinion.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
Of course the majority of the top defenses would be 4-3 many more teams work from that format so the likelyhood of them coming out on top is to be expected.

San Diego and some of the other teams you mentioned run a combination, so you can't really say they're geared towards one or the other philosophy, Miami I will wait till next yr. to see what capers does with that team, but I'm sure they will definetely improve.

What I think as far as our team goes is if they do change to 4-3 then next year should be a transitional period where we run both defenses to evaluate the talent and take pressure off ourselves too try to fix everything in one offseason. So we can pick up one or 2 additions and prepare over the course of the season to see what should be done. If we stay in the 3-4 we can focus on improving if not we go thru a transitional period. I dunno I just want the team to improve so I guess we gotta wait till the DC is appointed, but that's just my opinion.
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I agree.

Improving the 3-4 defense is best bet at this point. The Texans are only missing a few key ingredients to a major defensive improvement. One is the NT spot. It is a simple fact that a 3-4 defense turns the corner from lousy to legit with superior play from a dominating NT. What is the difference between New England and Cleveland?... Vince Wilfork. Pittsburgh and San Fran?... Casey Hampton. It is the #1 most important piece of a 3-4 defense, and Payne simply doesn't cut it.

Why is no one looking at Gabe Watson with the 33rd pick? There is only one team that would take him before that pick (Dallas at #18), and he has shown how dominating he can be in the past and in the current Senior Bowl. It would be an amazing draft if the Texans could pick up a dominating offensive player (whether it is Bush, Young, or Ferguson) and a dominating defensive player in the first few picks.
 
Yea this defense was my only drawback to the hiring of Dom Capers back in 2001... I have never really liked the 3-4. its like the volkswagen of defenses in a chevy or ford dominated environment, sure you dont see many and they drive just as good but when the volkswagen has problem you dont find parts for it as easily as you would a chevy or ford...

I love the 4-3 but a hybrid wouldnt be a bad idea either for us we need to use some deception and confusion maybe then with some more defensive line talent we can get more pressure.
 
outofhnd said:
Yea this defense was my only drawback to the hiring of Dom Capers back in 2001... I have never really liked the 3-4. its like the volkswagen of defenses in a chevy or ford dominated environment, sure you dont see many and they drive just as good but when the volkswagen has problem you dont find parts for it as easily as you would a chevy or ford...

I love the 4-3 but a hybrid wouldnt be a bad idea either for us we need to use some deception and confusion maybe then with some more defensive line talent we can get more pressure.
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Yeah, a hybrid defense always sounds great, but effectively doing it is another story. If a 3-4 is a volkswagen and a 4-3 a chevy then a hybrid is a Honda. Yeah, you can customize them to look and drive like you want, but it will never be as straight line fast as a Corvette, or as reliable as a Bug.

Building an effective hybrid defense would be even harder than doing one or the other at this point. The only teams that can do the whole "hybrid" thing have very special personel.

Tennessee did it from '00 to '03, but they could because they had a player like Jevon Kearse (a 'freak' 3-4 OLB combined with a 4-3 RE), outstanding toughness at all positions, quality depth and specialization, and simply fantastic cover corners (Rolle and Walker). Oh yeah, and they had a certain DC named Gregg Williams. You might have heard of him.

New England has done it from '02 to the present, but they have a guy named Richard Seymour who can play (and dominate) in any spot they want. They have so many linebackers that can do so many jobs, draftloads of young players that can fill in holes, and a true run stuffing NT.

The Texans can barely field a servicable defense of any kind. A specialized hybrid requires specialized players. Whoever Houston's next DC is will determine which players are key to building on, and deside on scheme from there. I personally hope that it remains a 3-4 because I believe a 3-4 scheme best compliments the offense Kubiak will bring to the Texans. I should know after following Denver for the entire Shanahan era.
 
Apoch said:
Yeah, a hybrid defense always sounds great, but effectively doing it is another story. If a 3-4 is a volkswagen and a 4-3 a chevy then a hybrid is a Honda. Yeah, you can customize them to look and drive like you want, but it will never be as straight line fast as a Corvette, or as reliable as a Bug.

Building an effective hybrid defense would be even harder than doing one or the other at this point. The only teams that can do the whole "hybrid" thing have very special personel.

Tennessee did it from '00 to '03, but they could because they had a player like Jevon Kearse (a 'freak' 3-4 OLB combined with a 4-3 RE), outstanding toughness at all positions, quality depth and specialization, and simply fantastic cover corners (Rolle and Walker). Oh yeah, and they had a certain DC named Gregg Williams. You might have heard of him.

New England has done it from '02 to the present, but they have a guy named Richard Seymour who can play (and dominate) in any spot they want. They have so many linebackers that can do so many jobs, draftloads of young players that can fill in holes, and a true run stuffing NT.

The Texans can barely field a servicable defense of any kind. A specialized hybrid requires specialized players. Whoever Houston's next DC is will determine which players are key to building on, and deside on scheme from there. I personally hope that it remains a 3-4 because I believe a 3-4 scheme best compliments the offense Kubiak will bring to the Texans. I should know after following Denver for the entire Shanahan era.
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I was wondering where you think a Chevy Silverado would fit into this equation? Just playin...good analogy. Great way of analyzing the issue of that hybrid offense.
 
I got an idea lets just construct a force field that keeps oppenents from crossing the goal line...

With our front 7 we just have a mess... I Dunno if wong was able to make the transition to inside backer,

If we stay with the 3-4 what about moving Orr inside? he seems to always be around the ball and penetrates... Maybe

I say it should be Orr Greenwood Polk on the inside and if we draft someone cool.. outside Peek Babin wong anderson in a rotation...
if we go 4-3

TJ/babin Walker Smith Babin/peek (the slashes are for passing situations the ones on the right
will be in on passing situations)
Greenwood/wong Orr/pick Peek/Anderson
 
I like the 3-4 too b/c it confuses a lot of teams. The main components of a 3-4 are a dominating NT, MLB & excellent safeties. Then you obviously build around that. That has been our problem...we don't have those necessary players.

Think it's coincidence that our 3-4 fell apart when Sharper left? No, he was experienced in that role and calling the plays having previously played beside Ray Lewis in Balt. I also believe it was the reason we took T.Johnson last year (although he is not in the class of a V.Wilfork or C.Hampton.)

With that being said, we need improved personnel to continue the 3-4 OR new personnel to run the 4-3. Either way, I'll be happy as long either is run the correct way.
 
AustinJB said:
Think it's coincidence that our 3-4 fell apart when Sharper left? No, he was experienced in that role and calling the plays having previously played beside Ray Lewis in Balt.
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Sharper played OLB in Baltimore's then 4-3 defense and he did not call the plays either there or here--Jay Foreman made the calls here. Otherwise, a very good theory.

I also believe it was the reason we took T.Johnson last year (although he is not in the class of a V.Wilfork or C.Hampton.)
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And TJ wasn't drafted to play NT as Wilfork and Hampton were--TJ was drafted to play DE in the Texans' 3-4.
 
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